Forum:If a small thing had changed/Archive 1

I want to use this page to discuss possibilities of a certain robot winning a single battle, or not dropping out, or if a seed had changed. Use this page to break into subsections.

Anyone is welcome to add their own "what if", as long as they have reason to believe it would be worth discussing.

However, please do not add your opinion to a section if all you are doing is agreeing fully with what was said.

Razer being more reliable
What would have happened in Series 2-4 had Razer not had technical faults? in Series 2 Razer will crush and pit Inquisitor. but vs Behemoth with out the self-righting wings they will lost. Series 3 Razer will crush Aggrobot and Blade for the win. Razer will crush Beast of Bodmin and Steg-O-Saw-Us into submission they will lost to Hypno-Disc Series 4 vs they will lost to Pussycat--Bulldogbreed 02:26, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think that in series 2 it would defeat Behemoth. The scoop wasn't as potent as later series, and it failed to flip over Elvis and Inquisitor. In the semi final gauntlet it may take 1st or 2nd since Napalm completed it in about 15 seconds. Then in the trial Razer comes first. It faces Killertron and crushes through the bin lid shell before fighting a close battle with Panic Attack, but eventually wedges it off the ground and shoves it down the pit. In the Final I think Cassius would win if Rex Garrod could steer it right on the day. The front looked lower than Razer, who didn't have the scoop system in this series, or a srimech. One good flip and Razer is gone.

In series 3 it would defeat Blade, it can crush through the 3mm thick steel and get to the wheels. Then it would defeat Beast of Bodmin the same way. Against Steg-O-Saw-us Razer would be rammed a few times, but eventually manage to get under it and crush into it. Against Hypno Disc, Razer's armour was quite thin before the 100kg weight limit. It might put some holes in Hypno Disc's 4mm aluminium, but if Hypno Disc gets a chance it could rip through Razer's sides and disable the wheels. If Razer could be repaired in time for the playoff it would defeat Firestorm.

In series 4 it would still lose to Pussycat. In Extreme 1 it wasn't mechanical faults that let Razer down, it was Pussycat causing problems with the wheels. Plus again, Razer's armour is too thin here. Razer keeps moving for a while, but Pussycat tears it apart.TheStigisaRobot 10:39, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

BizarroKing's thoughts
Series 2: hmm, well considering Razer took 1st place in it's gauntlet run in it's heat, I feel it can easily win the trial run. In the pinball run judging from it's 3rd Wars run, it can easily do well but I think it will only take 2nd behind Panic Attack so Razer faces Mortis (if it goes 1st vs 3rd and 2nd vs 4th) and beats him and goes to the finals with Panic Attack, who still beats Killertron. Razer's luck runs out here and loses to the boxed bot in the finals as Panic has more power here. In the playoff, he can hold his own and pierce Roadblock at least once or twice, but will ultimately fall and takes 4th place.

Series 3: After defeating Aggrobot, Razer crushes Blade, no contest really. In the semis Razer is in a grudge match against Beast Of Bodmin, successor to the bot that beat him last year. Razer avenges his 2nd wars loss by piercing the eye and causing BOB to break down. Against Steg, honestly i think Steg-O-Saw-Us may pull off the upset win and shove Razer around the arena though he may put a hole in Steg before he breaks down, thus ending his 3rd Wars run.

Series 4:...I'm not gonna lie, I think Pussycat might still pull off the win here so nothing changes. BizarroKing 01:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Onslaught in Series 4
Had Onslaught, and not V-Max, fought in Series 4, what would the result have been?

TG's thoughts
Since Cerberus was felled by the wedge of V-Max, I think its reasonable to think it would last longer against a lifting arm and a scoop. Not much longer though, I still think Cerberus would have fallen.

In round 2, however, not even little Onslaught could have held off Hypno-Disc. Same result for me.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  23:28, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Llama's Thoughts
I agree with the above, but Onslaught might dart about the arena for almost the enitre match, either eventually being caught or being beaten by judges. Llamaman201 (talk) 08:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Extreme 1 Annihilator
Had Bulldog Breed 3 and Atomic 2 made it into the annihilator, how would the results have changed?

TG's thoughts
I would list the results as follows.


 * Sixth: Napalm 2 - Ripped apart by The Steel Avenger and Disc-O-Inferno
 * Fifth: Atomic 2 - Severely damaged by Disc-O-Inferno just like Hypno-Disc.
 * Fourth: The Steel Avenger - Two lifting weapons leaves much to be desired for a limited self-righter.
 * Third: Panic Attack - Just the same
 * Second: Disc-O-Inferno - I just haven't seen it dish out damage on the scale of Hypno-Disc, who was actually quite lucky to KO Bulldog Breed the way it did. Meanwhile, Bulldog's flipper would bounce Disco around, and thats the best way to KO a robot like that.
 * First: Bulldog Breed  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  23:28, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

CBFan's Thoughts
Agree with TG completely EXCEPT For Bulldog Breed beating Disc-O-Inferno. I don't think you realise that Hypno-Disc had already immobilised Bulldog Breed BEFORE tearing the link out, so lucky had nothing to do with it. Add to the fact that Disc-O-Inferno's disc is much heavier and spins much faster....CBFan (talk) 07:23, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Llama's Thoughts
Remember Disco has broken down before and this is the Series 4 version so I reckon that Bulldog Breed could flip it around enough to dislodge something. Llamaman201 (talk) 08:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Series 4 version? It's the Extreme Series 1 version. CBFan (talk) 17:50, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Its the same, shape at least and weapon. Llamaman201 (talk) 17:53, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm....I find that difficult to believe, somehow. Sorry, but they're very different. CBFan (talk) 18:40, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous user's thoughts
What if the eight billed robots who'd had to pull out never had to? 80.111.172.25 19:57, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hypno-Disc/101 outcome
If 101 had defeated Hypno-Disc on that judges decision, how would it have gone in the Grand Final?

TG's thoughts
Well it would have been drawn against Steg, so its a match of two push power monsters with very little weaponry. With no pit, its going to resort to who damages the other with push power (I've seen more from Steg), who has more aggression (I've seen both be pretty aggressive, but I think 101 would have it), who shows more control (definately Steg) and who has better style (I'd have to say that 101 would have style). Steg therefore wins for me, based on weighting.

In the Grand Final, though, Chaos 2 would be more than capable of dispatching Steg.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  23:28, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Llama's Thoughts
Steg would probably beat 101, just. For 3rd place, Firestorm may have trouble getting under 101 as it is just wider than 101 at the front due to 101's tracks, plus it could get drawn up the tracks. However eventually I think Firestorm will get underneath and flip 101 against a wall, hooking a track over the edge of the arena. Llamaman201 (talk) 08:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

How I think Series 4 would have followed:
The rest of the seeds stay how they were.
 * 1) Chaos 2
 * 2) Steg 2
 * 3) Razer
 * 4) Panic Attack
 * 5) Firestorm
 * 6) Behemoth
 * 7) 101
 * 8) Hypno-Disc
 * 9) Gemini

Heat D:


 * Cronos vs Crusader vs 101: 101 rams Cronos. I still think Cronos will go out.
 * 101 vs Iron Awe: 101 bashes the Somerset robot into the wall and out of bounds.
 * 101 vs Mortis: 101 doesn't have a flipper, so Mortis won't have the self righting problem. I think 101 is the better pusher, but Mortis has the lifting arm. I'm going to say 101 will pit Mortis. In the real life battle Mortis' lifter became jammed open, so that will put it at a disadvantage.

Heat E:
 * Gemini vs Dominator 2 vs Henry 2: Still think Henry will go out.
 * Gemini vs Major Tom: the twins flip the poor water barrel over and pit it eventually.
 * Dominator 2 vs Gemini: the axe destroys at least one of the twins, and the series 2&3 semi finalists are dead meat.

Heat F:
 * Hypno-Disc vs Kater Killer vs Tornado: the disc will smash up Kater Killer. The poor cat gets smashed up.
 * Hypno-Disc vs The Creature: the Welsh machine has its armour torn off and its wheels damaged.
 * Hypno-Disc vs Tornado: Hmmm. Tornado with no scoop. I still think that H-D will take this one on damage due to its weapon.

Heat P:
 * Steg 2 vs The Predator vs Raizer Blade: The Predator will be flipped over by Steg 2 and attacked by the house robots meaning it and R-B go through.
 * Steg 2 vs V-Max: Sorry V-Max, but Steg 2 has the better flipper, you're going down, no need for flywheel damage. Out you go!
 * Steg 2 vs Raizer Blade: I suppose R-B could flip over Steg 2, but the dinosaur will ultimately flip Raizer Blade over and out. The second seeds have made it.

Semi Final 1:


 * Chaos 2 vs 101: 101 are no match for that flipper. The reigning champions might even get them out of the arena.
 * Hypno-Disc vs Wheely Big Cheese: The poor cheese gets its wheels smashed in, not unlike the Extreme 1 Mayhem.


 * Chaos 2 vs Hypno-Disc: H-D have a srimech this time, but I still think Chaos 2 will win.
 * Dominator 2 vs Pussycat: no change.

Semi Final 2:
 * Steg 2 vs Splinter: The dinosaur flips over Splinter.


 * Steg 2 vs Wild Thing: I think WT will get its wedge underneath the dinosaur and pit it eventually. The reigning runner-ups are out!

Grand Final:


 * Chaos 2 vs Stinger: same.
 * Pussycat vs Wild Thing: Wild Thing goes through on aggression in my opinion.

Third Place Playoff:
 * Stinger vs Pussycat: not sure.


 * Chaos 2 vs Wild Thing: Chaos 2 throws Wild Thing around. However, Wild Thing shoves him around but Chaos 2 still wins on aggression. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:26, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Corkscrew in Series 6
Suppose that the pit trigger had worked properly and not waited 20 seconds to open?

RA2's Thoughts
Corkscrew knows to stay away from the pit, and instead focuses on tearing up Panic Attack. Kronic flips Panic attack like it did in the real battle, but this time Panic Attack is out.

Next round, it faces A-Kill, and you can probably guess how that goes; lots of destruction and another win.

Against Terrorhurtz, I have to say that I think Corkscrew can pull off the upset. The thingee on top will block Terrorurtz's axe, whilst the spinning body rips through Terrorhurtz's polycarb armour easily. Now things get interesting.

Onto the semifinals, and here I think Corkscrew is out of luck. Its small shape and high clearance of those blades means Spawn Again will probably OotA it.

In the losers' melee, its opponents are Hypnodisc and Bigger Brother. We know that Bigger Brother is quite hard, and with Hypnodisc in barely-working condition, Bigger Brother just has to concentrate on pitting or flipping Corcksrew, and it goes through.

Now, Bigger Brother faces Spawn Again instead of Terrorhurtz. Now, the outcome depends on how much damage Spawn Again took from Corkscrew, but let's say it's nothing the team couldn't ffix. Now, I have yet to see Spawn Again get more than a few flips in a single match, so if it came down to a battle of endurance, Bigger Brother would take it for sure. All it would have to do it flip it over once or twice, and that's curtains for Spawn Again.

In the Grand Final, Bigger Brother has a grudge match against Razer and loses again. It loses the 3rd place palyoff to Firestorm as well. '''R A 2 ; [http://www.youtube.com/user/ResettisReplicas aka Resetti's Replicas. ] ( My Talk )''' 16:01, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree up until Spawn Again. This was the hobbling Series 6 version. Corkscrew could easily destroy Spawn who wouldn't get anywhere near flipping it. Corkscrew meets Bigger Brother who dispatch of Corkscrew easily. Bigger Brother wouldn't face Razer as they were the top 2 seeds, so the draw is now Razer/Tornado and Firestorm/Bigger Brother. Tornado and Firestorm won these encounters in Series 6 and Extreme 2 respectively, so fight in the final. Tornado still champions, Firestorm second, Razer third and Bigger Brother fourth. Seeds for Series 7 stay as they were. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 19:27, October 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * If Corkscrew made it to the semi finals instead of Terrorhurtz, the top seedings would probably look like this:


 * 1) Tornado
 * 2) Firestorm 5
 * 3) Bigger Brother
 * 4) Dantomkia
 * 5) Spawn Again
 * 6) Corkscrew
 * 7) 13 Black
 * 8) Panic Attack
 * 9) Pussycat
 * 10) Behemoth
 * 11) X-Terminator
 * 12) Bulldog Breed
 * 13) SMIDSY
 * 14) Thermidor 2
 * 15) Terrorhurtz
 * 16) Storm 2

So, they wouldn't exactly stay the same. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:20, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Terrorhurtz, Thunderpants, Flippa and Typhoon 2
Lets assume these robots didn't have to drop out of their respective competitions of Series 7 (and also lets assume Typhoon 2 IS in a fully fit working state). How'd that effect Heats 2 and 5, the annihilator and the world championships? CBFan (talk) 17:53, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

TG's thoughts
This is less of a small thing and more like four small things. Regardless, my answers are thus;

1) Terrorhurtz would have defeated Jackson Wallop as it was easier to strike than Gyrobot. It would have hacked both Big Nipper and Grim Reaper, but would have falled to Storm 2.

2) No change, Thunderpants would be side stranded by any of the three. Out in Round 1.

3) No change - Flippa has no capability to defeat any of these remaining robots. 5th.

4)Typhoon 2, its hard. With the pit, I think Tough As Nails could close to distance and shove Typhoon 2 into the pit without taking fatal damage - not saing no damage, just saying it would live. TAN would still win, in my eyes.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  20:00, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

BuggyBash's Thoughts
I agree with the first 3, but I believe that Typhoon could have hit TAN's exposed wheels in the right way and immobilised it. Rawbot wouldn't be a problem. That would set up a grudge match against Storm 2 and I believe Storm 2 would have its revenge and either pit it or throw it to the House Robots. BuggyBash666 15:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Napalm - Series 2
Let's assume Napalm was not cheated out of the competition and Mortis had gone out. This one is NOT as simple as it looks.

CBFan's Thoughts
If Napalm had gone through instead of Mortis, then the line-up would have been completely different. Judging by how both semi-finals did go, it would have been....


 * Panic Attack vs Behemoth
 * Killertron vs Napalm

Now, Killertron, I think, would have beaten Napalm. Panic Attack vs Behemoth, I'm really not sure. Maybe Panic Attack has the edge slightly....CBFan (talk) 20:11, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Why does the lineup have to change, may I ask? Why doesn't Napalm just face Panic Attack? Was the linup decided by Pinball scores?  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  20:13, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * 8 or 9/10 times, the line-up in the arena stages of Series 1 and 2 depended on how well the robots did in the trials. For example, in the very first show, we had Nemesis (1st) fighting Roadblock (3rd), with Killertron (2nd) against Shogun (4th). Both Semi-Finals of Series 2 followed this format. CBFan (talk) 20:20, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Matt's Thoughts
Now call me naive, but I honestly think that Napalm could've got a pitting victory here. I mean I know the robot was very crudley built, but Killertron's axe wasn't brilliant either. For me, strange as it sounds, Napalm could've made a grand final. From there, it would meet Cassius, Panic Attack and Roadblock in the Grand Final. I think against Panic Attack, it would've lost badly, and the same goes for the third place Matt (Talk) 10:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mace beat Panic Attack
On a similar note from above, what if Mace, not Panic Attack, had won the race-off? The same Napalm controversy takes place in the Pinball.

TG's thoughts
Now, in the Pinball, I can't accurately predict Mace's score, but I'd say it could probably beat Behemoth, and its score would be higher than that of Mortis. With Napalm out, the semi-finals are.


 * Killertron vs Mortis: I'd go for Mortis on any occasion if Rob was driving, but since its Ben, I'm going for Killertron to have a better push, even if the axes don't influence anything.
 * Mace vs Behemoth: In my eyes, Mace, no contest.

Now these two move on to the Grand Final. Killertron and Mace fight, and I have a feeling Mace would win by pushing and dodging the axe. Killertron loses to Roadblock again.

In the Grand Final, however, Mace doesn't have the quick push that Panic Attack had, and I think Cassius claims the title.  TG    (t    c)  12:17, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Stock Robots thrown Gauntlet
What would have happened had the Stock Robots sabotaged themselves in the Gauntlet, rather than the Trial, meaning that Barry, Plunderbird and Elvis went through?

TG's thoughts

 * Heat A: Barry can defeat or stalemate Shunt, but lets say it takes first place. Shogun is now eliminated. Barry fights Killertron, and loses. The rest of the Heat plays out in the same way.


 * Heat C: Plunderbird is able to move, which gives it one up on Dreadnaut. Its a good machine, so lets assume it takes the second goal. This now means that Robot the Bruce fights and beats Wedgehog in the Arena Semi-Final, whilst Plunderbird beats Cruella. In the final, I think Robot the Bruce is in trouble, and gets tipped over by Plunderbird 1.


 * Heat F: Elvis is a pretty substandard robot, but TRACIE getting stuck means that its the end of the line. Prince of Darkness now fights Elvis, and wins, whilst Skarab beats the Blob. In the final, I think Prince of Darkness is much more capable of pulling off victory. Jeremy Clarkson would have a fit, but still...


 * Grand Final: Now with two altered finalists. Cunning Plan is not going to last long, one way or another, its out. Recyclopse and Prince of Darkness would also be defeated, leaving only three robots left with a chance at the title. For me, Roadblock was always the most potent, and its huge shape means that nothing short of a large flipper will deny it the championship. Roadblock wins, but manages to overturn Bodyhammer this time, meaning Plunderbird comes the unofficial second.  TG    (t    c)  12:29, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree with Prince of Darkness beating Skarab, considering that it's 60kg lighter than Skarab, and is only equipped with spikes. Skarab looks sturdy enough to win. I feel that Skarab would have lasted about as long as Recyclopse in the Grand Final.  ManU Crazy   (talk)  16:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Matt's Thoughts

 * Barry would've defeated Shunt, and tipped over Killertron, before being defeated in a close judges decision by Roadblock


 * Agree with TG, Plunderbird would've won the heat


 * Skarab to win this one, smashing Prince of Darkness to a pulp, JC kisses the team

In the grand final, Cunning Plan goes out first, Roadblock then tips over Skarab, then Recyclopse, then Plunderbird, but fails to beat Bodyhammer Matt (Talk) 10:27, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

If Cassius 2 had won....
Against Pussycat, How do you think it would have changed the course of series 3?

TG's thoughts
It would have easily beaten Scutter's Revenge and 101. Against Hypno-Disc, I think it would certainly lose, because rear-hinged flippers are very hard to pull off a quick victory with. Cassius would have to all the way underneath Hypno-Disc to take it out, but I think a few hard slams from the disc would have left Cassius in trouble - the armour is only polycarb.  TG    (t    c)  23:14, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

LightningStorm93's thoughts
I agree with TG up to the battle with Hypno-Disc. I believe that Cassius 2 has the capability to defeat Hypno-Dsic, as at the time, Hypno-Disc's flywheel was only running at half speed. As Cassius has an adjustable ground clearance and a high top speed, I think it'd be able to outmaneuver Hypno-Disc, and get underneath and flip it over. Against Steg-O-Saw-Us, I think that Cassius can get in underneath Steg and flip it over, much like in Steg's battle with Gravedigger, though it'd be hard pressed to get underneath Steg with it's constant ramming. However, in the Grand Final, Cassius 2 would put up an absolutely brutal battle with Chaos 2, but here, Cassius's run ends with a loss on a judges decision. LightningStorm93 18:36, March 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * There also wouldn't have been that disqualification drama that happened after the battle between Pussycat and Scutter's Revenge. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 11:51, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Bigger Brother flipping Typhoon 2 in Round 1
What would have happened if Iron Awe had not flipped Bigger Brother out with and had lost to the seeded machine? Dandaman012 11:41, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Buggy's Thoughts
Bigger Brother vs Hypno Disc. With no comeback BuggyBash666 16:20, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ok i decided to adjust this one slightly. What would have happened if during the First Round of the heat, Bigger Brother had successfully re-righted Collosus and Typhoon 2 had been counted out instead? The second round draw remains the same but with Collosus fighting Hammerhead 2 instead of Typhoon 2. Dandaman012 12:12, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

TG's thoughts
Much better.


 * Colossus loses to Hammerhead 2
 * Hammerhead 2 loses to Iron Awe 2.1
 * Iron Awe 2.1 loses to Thermidor 2
 * Thermidor 2 loses to Atomic
 * Atomic loses to X-Terminator
 * X-Terminator loses to Storm 2

 Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  12:15, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hammerhead 2 would defeat Colossus before losing to Iron Awe. Thermidor 2 would then defeat Iron Awe before losing to Atomic. I think that Atomic could flip X-terminator over and then possible defeat Storm 2 by flipping it oota to win the championship.TheStigisaRobot 15:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Robochicken in Series 7
What would have happened if Robochicken had won its heat against TAN and fought Bulldog Breed? BuggyBash666 08:23, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It would have lost. Llamaman201 (talk) 09:57, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, bad question. BuggyBash666 11:38, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nor does it qualify as a "small thing".  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  12:19, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, can I delete it and post a new question? sweet as a nut mate 12:24, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Killertron in Extreme Annihilator 1
What if Killalot hadn't interfered and pitted Killertron in the Mayhem, and Killertron had gone through to the Annihilator instead of Splinter. Would the outcome of changed in any way? Hogwild94 20:13, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

It wouldn't last long in the Annihilator. Hypno-Disc would damage it and Thermidor 2 and Splinter would attack it. 6th place. User:ShotgunJustice


 * You realise that Splinter wouldn't be there if Killertron was? Llamaman201 (talk) 09:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I overlooked that. Anyway, still 6th or 5th if it survived before Thermidor broke down. ShotgunJustice 09:59, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Tsunami in series 7
Had Tsunami left X-terminator to be counted out, how far do you think it would have gone in series 7? I think it would defeat St Agro on a Judges decision or by flipping it oota, before flipping Bulldog Breed out. Then it would defeat Typhoon 2 by simply flipping it over, and I think that by using aggressive driving and its superior speed, Tsunami could flip Storm 2 over before flipping it oota or exploiting the inverted scoop by shoving it down the pit.TheStigisaRobot 15:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with all but Tsumani beating Storm 2. I think Storm 2 would pit Tsunami. Middle Eye 20:26, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Spawn Again in Series 7
What would have happened if Spawn Again's pneumatic ram didn't burst in its Heat Final? Personally, I think that it would OotA Raging Knightmare, and then pull off the upset against Tornado. This version impressed me a lot more than in Series 6, and I think it would win on a judges decision. Then, due to Gravity's constant wheelies, I can see Spawn Again in the Grand Final. It wouldn't beat Storm 2, though, but would defeat X-Terminator with one flip. Middle Eye 20:26, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Storm2's thoughts
The flipper will be key, as when RK flipped Spawn over, it almost flipped itself over as well. I'm not sure about OotA, but Raging Knightmare is hardly the most robust of machines, so Spawn Again will flip until Raging breaks. Against Tornado, again, invertible, but I think the disc only works to its full potential on Tornado if it's the right way round. As for the rest of its arsenal, well, one flip and it's cannon fodder. Spawn tosses Tornado out of the arena. Totally agree, Gravity's wheelies make it vulnerable for the few seconds its front is off the ground. If Spawn Again is in the right place at the right time, it can use its speed to flip Gravity out of the arena from the rear. The Grand Final is where it turns turtle. Even though Spawn claim to be as fast as Storm 2, I never saw it that fast, and Storm isn't the kind of machines that Spawn Again can catch. Storm will dodge until it pushes Spawn down the pit. One flip, and it's curtains for X-Terminator, whose srimech is much to be desired when upside-down.-- STORM  II   14:50, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

VampireWeekend4ever's thoughts
If they beat Raging Knihtmare, the draw would be like this: Tornado vs Tough as Nails Dantomkia vs Gravity X Terminator vs St Agro Spawn Again vs Bulldog Breed

Tornado v TAN: tough one. Both are very good pushers, but TAN could pierce Tornado's sides and so considerable damage. Then it could pit Tornado. Spawn Again vs Bulldog Breed. Two very good flippers, but I reckon S.A. would just edge it.

Now TAN faces Gravity, and it would be a repeat of the World Championship Qualifier. Gravity pitted, TAN in the final.

Now XT versus Spawn Again, and that's being discussed further up. Two different finalists.

Now, the grand final. TAN faces Storm 2. TAN ends up pitted. Now Spawn Again faces Typhoon 2, and I think Typhoon could seriously damage SA.

The grand final plays out how it did, but in the playoff, I reckon TAN would pit Spawn Again. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:10, March 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * I can see why you shifted the battles around, because of the seedings (you wouldn't have the first seed against the sixth seed with so many unseeded robots), but I really can't see Tough As Nails getting the better of Tornado. Tornado isn't quite as powerful as Storm 2, but still, a four wheel drive powerful machine against two wheel drive... Plus I don't think Tough As Nails' crusher getting through the sides of Tornado, it got through Robochicken but that had quite thin armour. Spawn Again against Bulldog Breed, with two fully fit robots I really wouldn't like to call it, but I'd probably agree with you for a limping Bulldog Breed. The rest I agree with. Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:34, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

What if The Big Cheese had beaten Chaos 2?
How would the rest of the series have gone if this had happened? The Big Cheese would have been able to easily defeat Trident by turning it over, and up against Mace 2, it'd turn it's opponent over, albeit with a few close calls. In the grand final, up against Firestorm, it'd be very difficult for The Big Cheese to defeat Firestorm. However, should The Big Cheese successfully defeat Firestorm, which I would assume would be done by The Big Cheese turning Firestorm over several times and avoiding being flipped, winning on a judges decision, I think that The Big Cheese would be able to defeat Hypno-Disc, as its armour is probably strong enough to stand up to the flywheel, and Roger Plant could probably stop the flywheel by clamping it with the lifter, and in the time it takes to get it started again, would successfully turn Hypno-Disc over. So, Roger Plant would take home the Series 3 title, proving that The Big Cheese is just what he said it was. --LightningStorm93 19:18, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Trident and Mace would clearly lose to the Big Cheese, but Firestorm would definitely slide in underneath Big Cheese (like with Facet) at least once in 5 minutes to win, since Big Cheese can't self right. Firestorm loses to Hypno-Disc, since it probably won't get at least half of its flipping arm underneath without the disc hitting it (or the wedge) and deflecting away while causing damage. Hypno-Disc claims the title by KO. And for the record, I don't believe that Big Cheese would have beaten Hypno-Disc either.  ManU Crazy   (talk)  20:20, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your logic for Big Cheese beating Firestorm is very unlikely. I could use that same logic to suggest that Colossus or Knightmare could defeat Firestorm, because all you've said is "could flip and avoid and win judges". I believe that ManU has got it exactly right, though even Mace 2 would put up a good fight against the Big Cheese.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  20:54, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. I can see your point here, but The Big Cheese was definitely capable of reaching the grand final at least. --LightningStorm93 21:00, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

What if there were no Hardened Arena Spikes?
This is something of an Elephant in the Room, if I say so myself. As we all know, the Hardened Arena Spikes in series 3 robbed us of some very interesting battles. If they weren't there, Behemoth would've defeated Pitbull in the heat final, as it was easily able to turn it over, but it would be outmanoeuvred in the semi-final by Firestorm, who would go in on Behemoth's vulnerable sides and flip it around until it won the judges decision. Darke Destroyer may well have beaten Gravedigger, as it'd be able to win more points in the damage category, as well as being a very awkward shape for Gravedigger to try and flip. However, it would be rammed into submission by Steg in the semis. Berserk 2, with its hardened armour, would be able to stand up to Hypno-Disc's flywheel, and without the flip it recieved from the spike, would manage to edge the judges decision, if only just. In the semi-finals, it would be able to beat Evil Weevil by either axing it until it's immobile or by turning it over with the forklift. After this, it'd have an absolutely brutal battle with 101. It'd be very close, but with it's axe and the hard armour, I think it'd be able to clinch a victory. However, I think it'd ultimately be outclassed in terms of sheer power by Steg-O-Saw-Us, but if it could survive the ramming and hold Steg off to a judges decision, as well as bring it's axe into play, it may be able to just about take a decision. However, no matter who wins that battle, Chaos 2 would dominate the final without question. It's a shame that that damn spike had to ruin so many battles. There could certainly have been some impressive outcomes from the underdogs. --LightningStorm93 21:29, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Behemoth would have beatn Pitbull and lost to Firestorm.
 * Darke Destroyer would still have lost to Gravedigger, it was only a matter of time until flipped.
 * Berserk 2 would need to have done more than survive, which I doubt. Hypno-Disc still win.
 * S.M.I.D.S.Y., can't prove this was arena spike damage, but I'd like to think so, so lets say victory over Rattus, Dreadnaut and maybe Trident, before obliteration by Chaos 2.
 * Scarab still loses to Victor.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  22:51, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

What about Wild Willy and Schumey Too? Both their losses were (in effect) the result of getting flicked by the spike, loosing control, and driving into the pit. Wild Willy would've beaten Evil Weevil and Panzer, but Hypno-Disc would probably have destroyed it before it could do anything to harm it. Schumey Too could possibly beat Diotoir, but certainly not Firestorm. Hogwild94 21:34, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Behemoth would have beatn Pitbull,Firestorm as this Firestorm had a slow lifting bar and Behemoth would lost to Panic Attack as Kim Davies being one of the best drivers in the UK competition. Darke Destroyer would still have lost to Gravedigger, it was only a matter of time until flipped Berserk 2 would survive to the judges Hypno-Disc still win

Disagree about Behemoth beating Firestorm. I hate to break it to you, but FS has a much lower ground clearance! Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:54, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Mortis being more reliable
in Series 3 Mortis one of its tracks broke in it lost to Gravedigger and Series 4 the lifing arm became jammed open


 * The idea is you post your thoughts....and please remember to use proper grammar and sign your name in future. Thank you. CrashBash 10:25, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

GF's thoughts

 * Even still, I think it's something worth considering- how well Mortis would've done if it had gotten past those stages where it had fallen short due to the reliability.


 * If Mortis had won against Gravedigger in Series 3, I personally think it could've actually done very well. It would've beaten Darke Destroyer quite easily (A standard flip/axe job.), and from there would've been in the Semis. Against Steg-O-Saw-Us, it would've been a very back-and-forth pushing match which goes in its favour, due to getting in some nice axe blows and the occasional lift with the arm. Then there's Beast of Bodmin in the Second Round. Here, I see Mortis hacking into its fiberglass armour with the Tanto, before lifting the Cornish machine onto its back and doing the same to its chassis to win by KO.


 * In the Grand Final, it'd then come up against Hypno Disc, in its original incarnation. I see this one going in its favour as well- although the armour's not quite up to the "Diamond Coated" level it was in the next series, that's still Carbon Fibre, Kevlar and Titanium there amongst other things, so it's still very strong, and it has the good power and ramming wedge shape behind it as well, which will be key. Here, I see Mortis constantly shoving Hypno Disc around the Arena, interspersed with periods where it shoves it into the House Robots or hits it with the Axe. Eventually I'm seeing it either winning the Decision on Damage and Aggression, or perhaps if it's feeling ambitious, stopping the disc and then turning Hypno Disc over to win and make the Final.
 * Last of all, the Grand Final, which would be against Chaos 2. Although it would've done well to make it this far, this is where I think Mortis would come unstuck. It has quite a high ground clearance, slow self-righting, and one of its big weaknesses is how easily its weapons can be nullified by being flipped over. I can't see George Francis bottling this one, so ultimately, Mortis will finish Second and Chaos 2 will become Champion after constantly throwing the Cambridge-based machine around to win the decision.


 * As for Series 4 however, the unlucky draw against Chaos 2 (In this case, again!) will seal its fate quite early on. It'll be thrown around the Arena and eventually either pitted or put out of the Arena by the Reigning Champions, and from there the Series continues as normal. Well unless the draws are shuffled around to accommodate the altered Seeds, but I'm going to go with what's there for the moment. --GoldenFox93 (talk) 21:50, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Pussycat's Hardened Blade
So we all know Pussycat was DQ'ed for the hardened blade it used in the heat final against Scutter's Revenge back in the 3rd Wars. But what if the team never swapped it out and stuck with the regular blade? Would it have still beat Scutter's Revenge? If so, how far in the Semis do you think it could have gone? I like to think it could beat 101... --BizarroKing 00:30, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Remember that Pussycat was declared the winner of its fight with Scutter's Revenge, and only then was it disqualified. However, 101 is a very blade-resistant shape, and additionally, 101 relies on pushing to win matches, and Pussycat is very easy to shove around. So I'm gonna say that it would play out roughly the same. Toast  Ultimatum  00:40, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Pussycat would possibly beat 101 on damage, maybe it could make a few scratch marks on its shell and tracks. If Pussycat did win, I would say against Hypno-Disc it would have its wheels ripped off. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:56, August 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * 101 was only scratched by Hypno-Disc so Pussycat wouldn't do as much damage. I think 101 would win after pushing the kitty into the house robots, the flame pits and the floor spikes. Sam (BAZINGA) 19:53, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Fluffy vs. Pussycat
On another note of Pussycat, what if Fluffy didn't break down. Pussycat was getting lambasted in that fight, and only won by a fluke. If Fluffy then went further, I believe it had a strong chance of beating Panic Attack. If it went even further, then Firestorm's armour looks like it could take a buffeting from Fluffy. But Fluffy also has a high ground clearance. Or it could break down, as usual. What do you guys think? Toast Ultimatum  00:53, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Firestorm would flip Fluffy until it breaks down.Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:32, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hypno-Disc - Victorious
What if Hypno-Disc didn't suddenly lose it to Bigger Brother? What if Hypno-Disc had persisted, hung on, or whatever, to defeat Bigger Brother and face Razer in the final? I'm asking what would happen in the final, and the playoff between Firestorm 3 and Bigger Brother. Datovidny (talk) 20:26, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Datovidny's Thoughts
Firestorm 3 would come out on top ahead of Bigger Brother, partly because it would've been limping after the Grand Final Eliminator, and partly because Firestorm proved mant times in Robot Wars to be superior to a fully functioning Bigger Brother. However, in the final, Razer's armour was, to be fair, average, weak enough therefore for Hypno-Disc to cause Razer terminal damage, quick enough to prevent Razer doing the opposite to Hypno-Disc, as Hypno-Disc's armour was actually quite strong by Series 5. Datovidny (talk) 20:51, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Snowdog140's Thoughts
Bigger Brother to finish third because its flipper is better than Firestorm's, driving is pretty much even so maybe an OOTA....Final, hm, well, Razer will need to turn on a sixpence to get to the vulnerables of Hypno-Disc, whereas one lucky shot with the disc has Razer immobile, so I'd say the Roses finally winning the crown. Charlie M 20:44, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

ToastUltimatum's Thoughts
Well, no questions regarding the playoff. Firestorm is far too big for Bigger Brother to flip out of the arena, and Bigger Brother, in turn, is very small itself. Plus, Firestorm can get under almost anything, and I think it would be a repeat of their clash in Extreme 2, or just a straight OotA. In fact, the latter is rather likely.

Hypno-Disc vs. Razer is a tough one, as Razer could get in there first, and if Razer did get the first touch, it should be able to get through Hypno-Disc's armour. If Hypno-Disc did get the opportunity though, it could wreck Razer's armour. I'm not going to try and call that one. Toast Ultimatum

Roadblock eliminated in the Skittles trial
What if Limpet had somehow scored just enough points to shockingly eliminate the series 1 champ Roadblock in Heat G of the Second Wars? How do you think the rest of the series would play out?

Here's my view: Let's say Limpet would face Killerhurtz in place of Roadblock...I'm not 100 percent sure how well Limpet would do in combat but I have a feeling Killerhurtz has this one beat and axes it's foe to death, leaving them to face Onslaught in the heat finals. I can see Killerhurtz winning this fight as well and as such makes it to the series semi finals.

With Plunderbird 2's poor 0.9 distance in the gauntlet, they're still out. Killerhurtz did well in the 4th wars pinball but poorly in the 3rd....I'll say they'll make it to around 150 pts and just beat G.B.H.

Going with the 1st vs 3rd and 2nd vs 4th matchups, it should be King Buxton vs Killerhurtz. I can see King Buxton taking this one and slam Killerhurtz all around, defeating them via judges decision if not KOing them, while Cassius still beats Haardvark.

In the grand finals, I can see Cassius still pull off the win over King Buxton and Buxton defeating Killertron in the playoff. So the grand final remains the same, just with King Buxton taking 3rd instead. But that's my opinion what do you think?--BizarroKing (talk) 20:48, July 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Killerhurtz should beat Limpet with ease, axe vs non-weaponed budget bot and all. Onslaught, well that's tricky to call.  Killerhurtz can't go as fast as it, and Onslaught's armour is way too hard for it to break.  I see Onslaught either boradsiding Killerhurtz into the CPZ or flipping it with that wedge.


 * Gauntlet and trial, Onslaught shouldn't even break a sweat if we assume the other robots do exactly the same. Onslaught will tear up the pinball course, a small and fast robot is the house bots' worst nightmare, it should come in first like Roadblock.  This means it faces King B, who should be able to out-maneuver and out-push its way to victory.  King B loses to cassius but beats Killertron for 3rd. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 20:59, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

T-Wrecks competing in Series 3
What if T-Wrecks didn't have to pull out and Steg-O-Saw-Us never competed? What do you think would happen?

I think T-Wrecks would still win the heat but lose in Round 1 of the Semis to Gravedigger who would in turn lose to Beast of Bodmin, putting Beast in the Grand Final where they would (in my opinion) Beat Hypno-Disc before losing to Chaos 2. Hypno-Disc would lose again to Firestorm.

Now what are your opinions? Badnik96 01:03, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * If T-Wrecks was subpar in Series 7, then I can't fathom how the unimproved version would be. I have to assume less reliable.  Steg O Saw Us' heat was frankly not difficult to win.  I'll say it breaks down against ORAC, who loses to Henry, who loses to Napalm.  Napalm loses to Gravedigger, who beats Beast of Bodmin.  Hypno beats Gravedigger, Firestorm beats Gravedigger in the playoff. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 04:01, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't see Gravedigger beating Beast of Bodmin. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:20, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's a difficult one, but ultimately I think Gravedigger has more killing power. Beast of Bodmin can't really immobilise Gravedigger with its weapons; if it manages to get a flip in on Gravedigger, it should just self-right. The reverse isn't true. Whoever goes through, though, I can't see either of them beating Hypno-Disc, so it's of no real consequence. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:24, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

Assuming that Gravedigger makes the final, here's how I think seeds 7-32 will look:
 * 1) Chaos 2
 * 2) Hypno-Disc
 * 3) Razer
 * 4) Panic Attack
 * 5) Firestorm 2
 * 6) Behemoth
 * 7) Gravedigger
 * 8) Gemini
 * 101
 * 1) Spawn of Scutter
 * 2) Wild Thing
 * 3) Evil Weevil 2
 * 4) Bigger Brother
 * 5) Wheely Big Cheese
 * 6) Killerhurtz
 * 7) King B3
 * 8) Cerberus
 * 9) Pussycat
 * 10) Aggrobot
 * 11) Diotoir
 * 12) X-Terminator 2
 * 13) Mortis
 * 14) Berserk 2
 * 15) Shadow of Napalm
 * 16) Plunderbird
 * 17) Sir Chromalot
 * 18) Weld-Dor 2
 * 19) Dreadnaut XP1
 * 20) Stinger
 * 21) Centurion
 * 22) Suicidal Tendencies
 * 23) Darke Destroyer (it looked more reliable than Inverterbrat)

Cerberus, let's say, has to remove the head as in real life. I think it will falk to ATD and Medusa 2000. In the second round, Atomic sends either ATD or Cerberus flying out before falling to Chaos 2.
 * Heat A:

Aggrobot replaces Pussycat, and rams Milly-Ann Bug into submission. In round 2, Razer beats Reptirron, and Aggrobot pits Robochicken. In the heat final I'll assume Razer gets revenge on Aggy.
 * Heat B:

X-Terminator takes on Ming 2 and Bolt from the Blue, where it gets Ming 2 in the pit, I reckon, after BFTB flips the Bath robot over. In round 2, X-Terminator pits Morgue, but Firestorm 2 beats it in the heat final.
 * Heat C:

Gravedigger vs Cronos vs Crusader 2. I think Gravedigger will prevail in this heat starter. In the secind round, it flips over Iron-Awe, whilst Berserk 2 beats Mazakari and Crusader 2 only to be flipped over and beaten by Gravedigger.
 * Heat D:

Plunderbird 4 grips Major Tom and pushes it around, but Disc-O-Inferno breaks down before Major Tom can go out. Dominator 2 then dominates poor and Plunderbird then 101.
 * Heat E:

Shadow of Napalm goes for The Creature, but Inverterbrat suffers the same malfunction. In round 2 Tornado beats SON. Rest as normal.
 * Heat F:

Bigger Brother and an unseeded Steg 2 fight in Gravedigger and Darke Destroyer's places. BB goes for Thermidor's high ground clearance so no semi final for the lobster. Meanwhile, Steg 2 and Stinger dent Warhog and flip it over, but Warhog has rubbish reliability anyway. In round 2, the two seeds wouldn't be drawn against each other, so Bigger Brother fights Steg 2, and I think it would win, and Kronic fights Stinger, where I think Stinger would dent Kronic's armour. Stinger dominates the heat final due to BB's crappy armour.
 * Heat G:

The seeds are Killerhurtz and Darke Destroyer 2. Killerhurtz smashes in Prizephita's armour, while DD2 and Killertron gang up on Maverick. Killerhurtz vs Killertron: I think Killerhurtz will kill Killertron, disagrwe with me if you like. DD2 beats Wheelosaurus in what surely must be a weak-looking heat. In the heat final, Killerhurtz dismantles Darke Destroyer.
 * Heat H:

King B3 pits Destruct-a-bubble, while Suicidal Tendencies and Splinter get rid of Small Torque. King B3 then pits Splinter, and ST beats Eric. In the heat final, Suicidal Tendencies picks up the so-called King and pits it.
 * Heat I:

The seeds are Wheely Big Cheese and Centurion. The former throws over Clawed Hopper with its giant flipper, and the latter is flipped over by Bulldog Breed and rammed by Spikasaurus. Round 2 sees Spikasaurus dented by Hammer and Tong, and Wheely Big Cheese outclass Bulldog Breed with its flipper. Wheely's too strong for Hammer and Rong in the heat final.
 * Heat J:

Dreadnaut XP1 takes Weld-Dor's place for this heat. Here, I thobk it can send Sunpthing packing by forking underneath it. In round 2, the lone seed is unable to get under Mousetrap and Mousetrap either dents it to win on damage, or pits it. The final plays out as normal.
 * Heat K:

Sir Chromalot and Vercingetorix get rid of Fatboy Tin easily. In round 2, Sir Chromalot is rolled over by Knightmare, denying an all-Essex heat final.
 * Heat L:

Weld-Dor and Reactor help to beat Scorpion, before Weld-Dor is outclassed by the Steel Avenger who loses to Wild Thing.
 * Heat M:

Mortis takes on Judge Shred and Millennium Bug. Same result. Mortis then beats Arnold A Terminegger, and the heat final is a repeat of the world championship, and Behemoth betters Mortis.
 * Heat N:

Diotoir and Saw Point dispatch of Oblivion. Diotoir then falls foul of SMIDSY.
 * Heat O:

Pussycat and V-Max team up to flip over and carve into Terrorbull. Pussycat then tears Raizer Blade's armour apart, and the heat final is the biggest upset of them all - Pussycat easily beat HypnoDisc in the real life grand final, so I can't see that changing here. The #2 seeds are out.
 * Heat P:


 * Semi 1:
 * Chaos 2 vs Gravedigger: Chaos 2 wins without question.
 * Killerhurtz vs Tornado: Tornado smacks Killerhurtz around the place.
 * Stinger vs Razer: This will be a close one, but I think Razer could ultimately win.
 * Firestorm 2 vs Dominator: no change.
 * Chaos 2 vs Tornado: no change.
 * Dominator 2 vs Razer: Dominator wins on damage, for me.


 * Semi 2:
 * Wheely Big Cheese vs Mousetrap: Wheely wins this one, because of its weapon.
 * Spawn of Scutter vs Panic Attack: same.
 * Pussycat vs Suicidal Tendencies: Pussycat will probably win this one.
 * Wild Thing vs Behemoth: Behemoth's got the scoop, so I think they could win here!
 * Wheely Big Cheese vs Panic Attack: Well in the real series five we saw it flip PA. Ultimately i think it can muster a few flips, but Panic Attack will have a better chance.
 * Behemoth vs Pussycat: Pussycat tears shreds out of the Hertfordshire machine.


 * Final:
 * Chaos 2 vs Panic Attack: Panic Attack gets sent out of the arena.
 * Pussycat vs Dominator 2: no change.
 * Panic Attack vs Dominator 2: Difficult one, but ultimately I think it's going to Dominator 2, thanks to its axe.
 * And Chaos 2 beats Pussycat to take the title once again.

So a lot could have changed in the fourth wars if Steg 2 hadn't entered series 3! Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:53, January 23, 2015 (UTC)

Beserk 2 in Series 4
What if Beserk 2 was kept the design and armour of the Series 3 model B2?

I think it would have been able to beat Tornado, but it would lose to Gemini. If Gemini would then lose to Wheely Big Cheese, who would then lose to Chaos 2. If Gemini beat WBC, Chaos 2 would send one of the clusterbots OOTA. Does any one agree with me?  Mad looney 6 10:59, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Typhoon 2 in the 3rd World Championship
Team Typhoon had to choose between the Middleweight championship and the 3rd World Championship. Suppose they made the opposite call?

RA2

 * First, the Middleweight Championship with no Typhoon. Dear oh dear, what was already a boring match certainly won't be better with the only destructive weapon out of the picture.  I'm going for Phoenix, it looked considerably faster and could probably broadside the lengthy Steel Sandiwch.


 * Second, the World Championship. Typhoon is deceptively swift, and its ability to dodge until spun up was pretty flawless.  Tough As Nails isn't going to be the one exceptional robot that can outdo this.  Pincers are inherently fragile, even if TAN can get a grip, Typhoon will probably strike that hinge between the pincers and immobilize them.  It could als smash TAN's ram at the back.


 * Storm 2 is tougher to call, it's hard to say which team would benefit more from a rematch, since both sides believe they played a perfect game the first time. I'm goign to predict Storm 2 for the win, because if they had been bolder with their attacks, then the decision would have been much less justifiable.  And by Cairns' own admission, Typhoon's spinner does sometimes stall, being a petrol engine.  So yeah, if Storm 2 can do more ramming, and keep Typhoon near the wall or CPZ, it should win the decision, thus normalizing the rest of the competition. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 19:21, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Prizephita beating Wild Thing
If Prizephita was awarded the win against Wild Thing in the 5th wars, how would it have done? Well, in the next round,it would meet defending double champion Chaos 2. Prizephita could certainly give a decent battle, but ultimately would be defeated by the champs. Again, up against S3 and Spawn Again, it would most likely be defeated. Ultimately, the loss of Prizephita in the heats meant that the brilliant Wild Thin vs Chaos 2 battle could happen. Jimlaad43 (talk) 10:43, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Bulldog Breed Disqualified
What if Bulldog Breed was disqualified for the mesh? Well for starters, Heat K would have been even duller than it already was.Infernal Contraption mounted an attack in the battle, so would have gone through with Mantis. Hard would easily deflect IC's attacks and dominate the match. Hard vs Kat 3 is tougher, but Hard has decent armour and Kat 3 has always struggled to self-right, so Hard goes through to the semis. Hard meets Tough As Nails and is conveniently the perfect size and shape for TAN to grab and pit. So Tough as Nails now fights X-Terminator, who cannot damage the HARDOX and consequently loses the judges decision due to TAN's pushing prowess. In the Grand Final, TAN meets Typhoon 2. As discussed in Ragnabot Heat N, Tough As Nails would just have the edge to win this. The third place playoff sees Typhoon battle Tornado using the chain flail scoop. Typhoon 2 would cause some damage to Tornado's side and takes 3rd place. The final between Storm II and Tough As Nails plays out largely like the 3rd World Championship fight where TAN grabs Storm but gets out pushed and pitted. Storm II are champions of series 7 and Mentorn go nuts and try to disqualify Storm II but fail. J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 15:44, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I kinda wish this actually happened now. Hard as a heat winner is quite laughable, and I totally believe it would happen, unless they were drawn against Mantis instead. Toast  Ultimatum  22:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it would be over quickly as Mantis couldn't self-right. Hard vs TAN would be the quickest pit immobilisation battle ever, as it would be just like the pitting of Scraptosaur. Tough As Nails vs X-Terminator would be an interesting battle to watch, as would Typhoon 2 vs Tornado, because I think Tornado wasn't the best against side impacts. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 22:25, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mantis can self-right, that I'm pretty sure of. CrashBash (talk) 22:50, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can it? I still think even with this that Hard would win the battle. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 23:04, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think Mantis has it easy no matter what, it can just pick up the tiny Hard and carry it around. Hard might not even be able to flip Mantis over, it only ever flipped robots up instead of over. Toast  Ultimatum  23:06, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wild Thing in series 5
Ok, this one will sound absolutely mundane, but as stated on Wild Thing's page, for series 5, the spike on the end of the lance was taken off, and the lance itself was shortened to stop it getting in the way of the disc. Well, what would happen if the lance was kept at the same length, and still didn't affect the disk. I have a feeling Wild Thing's heat battles would've been the same. But in the semi final against Chaos 2, we all know how close to pitting Chaos 2 Wild Thing was, as it was pushing against the wheels with its lance, now with the lengthened lance, Wild Thing successfully pits Chaos 2. Chaos 2 goes down to the loser's melee, where I can see it going after Spawn Again, who ends up upside down with the flipper open and is counted out. Chaos 2 then takes on S3, and we know Chaos 2 struggled with spinners in its later life, so lets go for the shock and say S3 buckles the side armour into the wheel of Chaos 2 which locks up, and the champs are out again, with no coming back. So, S3 is reinstated, and now it faces either Wild Thing or Razer, lets say it still faces Razer and loses. Now Bigger Brother vs Wild Thing, and I think that the disc will be Wild Thing's downfall, as Bigger Brother gets underneath it, lifting it up, before flipping it over and against the arena wall, with either an OotA, or a judges' decision in Bigger Brother's favour.

So the seeding changes in series 6, with Wild Thing seeded 5th, Dominator 2 6th, S3 7th Chaos 2 8th, Panic Attack 9th. Wild Thing now participates in Heat C, and I think it could probably make it through its first round melee, probably with Iron Awe 2.1, as they won't be flipped out this time. Dantomkia beats Iron Awe like in the Challenge Belt, and Wild Thing watches Crushtacean drive into the pit. The heat Final sees Dantomkia through as Wild Thing's compact shape seems easier to flip out.

Now Chaos 2 fights in Panic Attack's heat, where it can win its first round melee with Kronic, who loses to Terrorhurtz, whilst Chaos 2 fights brilliantly against A Kill, who is breaking apart from the constant flips. Chaos 2 fights Terrorhurtz in the final, and I think this is a very difficult decision. But I think Terrorhurtz impressed me enough in series 6 to beat Chaos 2 to beat the new eighth seeds in a shock, also abiding by the eighth seed curse.

Now Panic Attack fights in Wild Thing's heat, where it can maybe take out UFO and the Stag. Now Panic Attack Au fights 259, and remember that this version of PA was no where near as durable as Wild Thing was, so 259 can probably win, now it fights Vader in the heat final, and I think it can pull it off, by probably flipping Vader or breaking through the armour or dislocating the disc, putting them through to the semis.

Now 259 fights Razer in the semis, I can imagine one of the wings breaking, but Razer can probably beat 259 well, absolutely destroying it, and putting it out of the running for the Loser's Melee, or at least putting it in very bad shape for it, and with Dantomkia and 13 Black in there, I can't see it lasting very long.

But, as 259 reached the semis, it fights in the All Stars, provided it didn't retire after series 6, where it faces a rematch in Razer and 13 Black, but I don't think 259 will survive the first melee.

Well, that's a huge change, especially for something as simple as keeping the self righting lance the same length. Well, that was my thoughts, what are yours? RelicRaider (talk) 20:35, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Mortis in Wild Card Warriors
What if Mortis had fought Axe Awe as originally planned, and not Panic Attack?
 * Not much different. Mortis would have won. Nothing else really. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 09:24, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

What if X Terminator beat Corkscrew in Series 5?
How far do you reckon X-Terminator's 5th Wars journey would have gone if the judges had gone for them instead of Corkscrew? What if their battery hadn't failed? What do you reckon would have happened? 80.111.172.25 22:43, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * They would have been beaten by Dominator 2, and not seeded in Series 6, so not much would have changed. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 07:48, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Series 5, Heat B, Round 2
If Hypno-Disc and Atomic weren't drawn against each other before the heat final, and Hypno Disc fought Bulldog Breed, and Atomic fought Lambsy, how do you reckon it would have gone down? 80.111.172.25 21:10, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Atomic would've won against Lambsy and Hypno-Disc probably would've won against Bulldog Breed and then Atomic would've lost to Hypno-Disc. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:20, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Series 6, Heat F, Round 2, Fluffy vs Stinger
What would have happened if Fluffy had kept hitting Stinger, enough times to immobilise it, and Stinger's wheel never got back working again, meaning Fluffy, not Stinger, was thought to the Heat Final to face 13 Black. What do you reckon would have happened? 80.111.172.25 21:34, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * If Fluffy beat 13 Black, Firestorm 4 would've beaten it. Fluffy would then lose Wild Thing and Dantomkia. If 13 Black beat Fluffy, nothing changes. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:41, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

But what if, if he beat 13 Black, he goes to the Semi Finals and goes for the back of Firestorm instead if facing Firestorm from the front? 80.111.172.25 21:44, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Firestorm turns around and flips Fluffy again. Lots of things could be different if the well driven robot was badly driven. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 21:55, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

And then in the play off with Dantomkia and Wild Thing, how do you think it would go down? 80.111.172.25 23:24, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * See Sam's comment. You've written a few things on this wiki now, you should register. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 08:42, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Behemoth won the First World Championship
The Razer vs Behemoth battle was oh so close, and either robot could have won it, both during the battle and in the judges decision. Say Behemoth just edged it, what would happen?

Well firstly, Behemoth would have been 3rd seed and Razer 6th for Series 4. Behemoth would have blasted through round 1 of Heat B, probably disposing of Robochicken. Milly-Ann would be a walkover, and Pussycat would struggle to get Velocirippa, but would win in the end. Both seeds would struggle, but using votes in Ragnabot to decide because it would be close, Pussycat would win. Heat N would include Razer. AAT is more a shape to be crushed, so Razer and Rambot go through. Judge Shred 2 wouldn't stand a chance and XT2 would be able to beat Rambot. In the final, XT2 would fall to Razer. Semi-Final 1 would pan out normally, but Semi Final 2 would see Razer face Wild Thing. If they won that without breakdown, the run of play says Razer would face Hypno-Disc, but I think the producers would want to avoid that. I think Panic Attack is the only robot of the three second round Semi-Finalists that Razer could beat in the Series 4 guises. But for arguments sake, we'll say they fought Hypno-Disc, which I think would go in H-D'd favour. The final would pan out as it did.

What do you think? J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 11:06, January 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree with most of that, expect I think Rambot would be more likely to go out to Razer than Arnold A. Hogwild94 (talk) 12:15, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Firestorm 5 beats Storm 2
I've seen a few people on here speculate Firestorm could've beaten Storm 2 had the front strip not come off. How would the Series 7 Grand Final have gone if they'd manage to get a killer flip and turn Storm 2 over, and thus won the match?

Well, lets presume they'd have kept the top two seeds apart in the Grand Final. Lets say Firestorm plays X-Terminator, and Tornado Typhoon 2. I think Tornado would've been too much for Typhoon 2, and would've got them in the pit, while Firestorm would've been controlled enough to dodge X-Terminator's disc, and turn it over, and not make the Tsunami mistake. The resultant third place play-off would be a repeat of what actually happened in the real match between the two.

As for the final, I'm going to presume Firestorm will get a killer flip on Tornado, and not make the mistake of righting it they did in Series 6. Firestorm manages to out-manoeuvre Tornado, and pit them, to take the title. Tornado follows Razer in coming second the year after winning.

My views; any other thoughts? Hogwild94 (talk) 12:23, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Storm 2 pitted in New Blood
In Storm 2's first round melee in the New Blood, it very nearly drives into the pit, but just stops in time, leaving Direct Action to go out. What if it had fallen in and been eliminated? How would that have affected the rest of the New Blood and, by extension, the Seventh Wars? Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:58, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

My personal view: in round 2, Direct Action beats Chopper, I can't see Chopper doing a great deal of damage and Direct Action's disc is pretty powerful. Heat final, ICU's ariel only needed one hit from Storm 2 to come off, Direct Action should be able to match that. In the Grand Final eliminator, Direct Action faces Thor, and here its luck runs out, Thor's hammer should get through the 6mm nylon armour fairly easily. Playoff, it's a tricky one, both robots have good weapons but exposed wheels... I'm going to say a scarred Direct Action takes third over Cedric Slammer, with the more powerful weaponry getting a few hits on the framework and getting through to the wheels. In the final, Mute against Thor. Mute's armour should stand up to Thor's hammer, and I'm not sure how easily Thor can self-right, so Mute is the New Blood Champion and takes the 16th seed spot.

So, the Seventh Wars, and this requires a bit of jiggery-pokery: Mute as the 16th seed now goes in Storm 2's heat, heat I, leaving a gap in heat L. I'm going to suggest that Direct Action would fill in there; Storm 2 would be a complete unknown, losing in the first round of New Blood, so the third place robot would probably go in instead.

Heat I: in the 'Heat of Doom', Mute faces Rhino, Supernova, and Mayhem. Mute doesn't have the killing power of Storm 2, but I don't think Rhino can self-right, so over goes Rhino, it and Mayhem go out, leaving Mute and Supernova to go through. Mute faces Trax, and should be able to control the battle in much the same way Storm 2 did, pushing it around, getting flips in, and winning on the judges' decision. Supernova against The Steel Avenger, and I think the Sri Lankan machine has it, The Steel Avenger is hardy but enough damage will be caused to it for Supernova to go through. The heat final, and... I really don't know, Mute's armour is very hard, I don't recall seeing much damage at all done to it, and it's also pretty reliable, I'm not sure Supernova's disc will worry it too much. I'm going to give the seeds the benefit of the doubt.

Heat L: Direct Action in a melee with Judge Shred 3, Corkscrew Two, and Demolition Man. Corkscrew Two goes in the same way as before, and I believe Direct Action's disc is better than Demolition Man's, and it'd also stand up better to being flipped by Judge Shred. Direct Action faces Behemoth in round 2, and that's the end of the line I think, Behemoth can stand up to the disc better than most and the axe can go through the armour pretty easily. Heat final, and it's Judge Shred 3 against Behemoth. Another tricky one, Judge Shred is the more competent self-righter, but Behemoth is lower and has the axe... Behemoth edges it when Judge Shred runs out of gas, it looked a bit vulnerable to that.

Semi Final: Behemoth faces Firestorm 5, pretty simple result seeing as Behemoth really can't self-right that easily, Firestorm takes it. Mute goes against The Grim Reaper, and I think has the lower front and the marginally better flipper, Mute through by the judges. So, Firestorm against Mute, we've seen that one, Firestorm in the Grand Final, and that scenario is being discussed further up.

What does everyone else think? Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:26, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Chaos 2 beating Dantomkia in Series 6
How do you think Series 6 would have gone if Chaos 2 had been able to get under Dantomkia and flip them out of the arena, as opposed to the other way around? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:53, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably the same as Dantomkia, to be honest. I can't see Chaos 2 standing up to S3's disc that well. However, in the loser's melee, it only takes one flip on 13 Black to put it out, and Wild Thing is very easy to throw around in its Sixth Wars guise. 13 Black did put Chaos 2 out of commission in the All-Stars, but then it was focussed on Razer really and 13 Black could attack the sides and back easily: here, there's probably take 13 Black as the main threat and target them. That'd put them against Razer, and that'll be where the run ends. Razer has faced many flippers, and most of them didn't even force it to self-right. Chaos 2 didn't really improve from their encounter in the First World Championship, whereas Razer got lower and more reliable. Rest of the series plays out as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 18:36, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * After that, Chaos 2 go into Dantomkia's spot in the All-Stars and Panic Attack take Choas 2's spot. I'll let someone else play it out. Also, Dantomkia probably wouldn't have become my favourite bot. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 18:46, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Well, Panic Attack faces Razer and 13 Black. Those skirts and forks look very vulnerable to 13 Black's discs, I think Panic Attack is out, so same as before. In Chaos 2's new heat, it faces Terrorhurtz and Tornado... Tough one, but I think it could easily go the way it did when Dantomkia was present, sending Terrorhurtz out. Chaos 2 faces Firestorm, which is lower and has improved dramatically from their Series 3 meeting, so Firestorm through, and the tournament continues as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:03, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * S3 hates Wdges with a burning passion. It beat DTK only because of a driving error that got it stuck in an angle grinder. CHaos 2 to OOTA it quite easily.  The losers' melee should be interesting, I'll back 13 Black to win it by breaking one of S3's exposed wheels.  Now, it's impossible to tell who would face whom, but Razer has beaten all three of these bots in one-on-one, and the popular opnion is that Firestorm could beat Chaos 2 - and we know it can beat 13 Black, so same Grand Finalists. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 21:16, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * The likliest draw would be Razer vs 13 Black and Firestorm 4 vs Chaos 2. They wouldn't put the winner of the melee straight back against the robot that beat it beforehand, and they'd surely want to keep the highest ranked seeds separate for as long as possible. CrashBash (talk) 22:36, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Invertabrat working properly in series 4
What would have happened if Invertebrat had not got stuck on its lifting arm in its battle against The Creature and Berserk 2?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 15:51, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would imagine The Creature would go out in the melee, its weaponry was a bit feeble and the armour wasn't great either, so Invertebrat goes through in its place, but then is outclassed by Gemini. Maybe not an OotA, but I can't see Invertebrat delivering a killer blow or any real aggressive action to Gemini. Rest of the heat continues as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:51, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Pussycat beating Firestorm in series five semi finals
Firestorm won the judge's decision even though Pussycat had a late comeback. What if Pussycat had won, and was through to the Grand Final? I reckon it would beat Razer for a third time, putting them in the play-off. Then, Razer would put up a good fight against Hypno-Disc, but H-D would do considerably more damage, and with the disc in the way of the piercer it's hard to do much damage meaning Hypno-Disc would come third and Razer fourth. Now onto the grand final, it's Bigger Brother or Pussycat. Hard to say, really, BB could just get them out of the arena, take the title, and it would be all over. What does everybody else reckon? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:22, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Agree with Pussycat against Razer, Pussycat nicks a wheel and it's all over (although if Razer grabs and just pits instead of barbecuing it first...). The play-off, I don't really want to call, both robots could critically damage the other if given the chance. The Grand Final, Bigger Brother's seriously hard armour should hold off the Pussycat blade, and Pussycat is pretty easy to throw around. I think Bigger Brother takes the battle and the series with a close judges' decision. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:29, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Stock Robots not throwing the trials
As we know the stock robots dominated the gauntlet and then threw the trials. What would happen if they didn't deliberately eliminate themselves?--SpaceManiac888 (talk) 19:23, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's already got a section. 80.111.172.25 19:26, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * I mean as if they were allowed to qualify for the arena.--SpaceManiac888 (talk) 19:33, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Lets see. Grunt may have beaten Shogun, but it might not have. If it did, they would be destroyed by Killertron. No change. No Dreadnaut, so WYSIWYG faces the heavier Wedgehog and wins. No change again. Here stuff changes. T.R.A.C.I.E. is knocked out, so The Mouse battles Prince of Darkness. I think The Mouse could win that battle, but not the battle with Skarab. Roadblock still take the title. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 19:48, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Series 7, The Alien stays mobile
How would the 7th series gone down if, in the Heat D, The Alien never had his safety link knocked out? Would they have survived in the competition? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:40, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * 13 Black was not doing well in the melee when The Alien conked out, I think the seeds are out. However, against Gravity, I can't see The Alien winning, Gravity has killing power in spades and is surprisingly hardy, it took no damage from 13 Black, at least. Rest of the heat plays out as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:44, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Big Nipper beats Grim Reaper
What would have happened if the Big Nipper was named winner of that heat final, and not The Grim Reaper? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:26, March 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * I really like Big Nipper, but I can't see it beating Storm 2. No change. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:27, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

Atomic pits Hypno Disc
How would series 5 have gone if the former runners-up had suffered a shock second-round loss?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:48, March 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that Atomic would beat Bulldog Breed, since it looked faster and had a more effective flipper blade. Bulldog Breed's Series 5 stat card said that it couldn't self right. Even if it was an error, I still see Atomic bulldozing Bulldog Breed into the pit.


 * In the Semi-Final, Atomic faces Firestorm. Graham Bone is a more experienced driver and I see him flipping Atomic around until it runs out of CO2 or gets pushed over the arena wall. I can see Atomic making a comeback in the loser's melee, getting around Wheely Big Cheese like Chaos 2 did, and getting some good flips in on Panic Attack to win the Judges' decision. In round 2, Firestorm fights Dominator 2 and Atomic faces Pussycat. Firestorm's armour was thicker than in Series 4, but Dominator 2's axe improved as well. It'll be a tightly fought grudge match, and I can see Dominator 2 pulling out a close win through aggression and making holes with its axe.

Meanwhile, Pussycat has usually never been a fan of being bulldozed by powerful rear hinged flippers (except Thermidor 2). I think that Atomic could potentially flip the cat out, if not it will take the Judges' decision.


 * The Grand Final, Razer vs Atomic. I think Atomic's title run comes to an end here. Razer hit its stride in Series 5, and has beaten many a great flipper. I see Atomic pierced and pitted. Meanwhile, we saw Dominator 2 beat Bigger Brother in Series 6. Bigger Brother had weaker armour in Series 5, so my thoughts are that Dominator 2 will immobilise BB for the win. Atomic manages to get some redemption in the Playoff by using its speed and wider front to bulldoze Bigger Brother and flip it out. The Final: Razer vs Dominator 2. I've thought for a long while that Dominator 2 was one of the few solid counters to Razer. It has a sloping shape with tough armour that the claw will struggle to gain any purchase on, and it has the weapon to rack up damage points on Razer. After a long hard battle, Dominator 2 wins the title on Damage and Aggression. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 22:19, March 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll agree up until the second round of the Semi Final, a fully fit Firestorm would beat Atomic (although something wasn't right in the real fight, Firestorm wouldn't ordinarily conk out after one hit from Hypno-Disc, but we'll ignore that) and a loser's melee is difficult to judge, but Wheely Big Cheese seemed to be limping and Panic Attack could get thrown around easily. However, I think Firestorm would avenge its series 4 defeat, it seemed lower in this series and could get under Dominator easier than before; if the last decision was very tight, and Firestorm's improved more than Dominator, I'd suggest a narrow win for Firestorm. Atomic against Pussycat... I really wouldn't like to call, to be honest, Pussycat would get bulldozed around more but could easily cause severe damage, and Atomic is only the series 5 model which seemed less potent... I'm going to leave that for others to decide. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:29, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

S3 fails to reach heat final of series 6
Sir Chromalot tried to lure S3 into the pit in their battle in Heat D. What would have happened if the 7th seeds had suddenly crashed out of the competition? How would the heat final against Shredder have gone?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:49, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting one. The Series 6 Sir Chromalot was by far the best iteration, and the S6 Shredder wasn't at its best. I think it'd be close, but Sir Chromalot should stand up to Shredder's discs and flip it enough times to take the decision on aggression. In the semi-final, Chromalot faces Dantomkia, and I think Dantomkia will outclass the Class Act here, Chromalot is too susceptible to running out of gas against a flipper as good as Dantomkia. In the loser's melee, however, against Wild Thing and 13 Black, I think there could be an upset. If it goes as it did, and Wild Thing pits itself, 13 Black is quite susceptible to flippers, and Sir Chromalot looked as if it took hard knocks pretty well, it didn't break down after getting battered by S3, after all. I think if Sir Chromalot gets a flip in on 13 Black, which is quite likely, its flipper was pretty good, it'll be through. So Sir Chromalot through to face Razer, and there it's the end of the road I think, if Dantomkia didn't even force Razer to self-right I can't see Sir Chromalot doing that. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:09, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

And after that I can see Sir C being in the Extreme 2 All Stars and being seeded in the 7th Wars. But we never saw the Series 7 model in action so I don't know how that will go...Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:20, March 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * In the All-Stars I can't see it doing too well at all, it'd be against Firestorm and Bigger Brother if it replaced S3, two very good flippers that I can't see Sir Chromalot beating. However, because it's in the All-Stars, I doubt it'd enter the Challenge Belt as well, so it wouldn't get destroyed by Matilda, so it would be the same (or an improved) machine as the Series 6 version, which would make things interesting... Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:23, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be a more interesting situation if S3 was instead immobilised by Mr. Psycho, which nearly happened. Still, Armadrillo wouldn't get past Sir Chromalot. I can see Sir Chromalot getting past Shredder, but I can't imagine Wild Thing pitting itself without having Dantomkia to run away from. I don't think Sir Chromalot is capable of beating 13Black either, so that's the end of the run. Toast Ultimatum  20:41, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Mute wins New Blood
This is quite similar to the last scenario I posted, with Storm 2 going out in the first round, but the outcome should be slightly different. The judges' decision in the New Blood final was very tight and could have easily gone the other way: what if it had? Mute gets the 16th seed, what impact would this have had on Series 7? If Storm 2 fills the gap left by Mute, what happens there? Would such a fuss have been made over Storm 2? We know the producers didn't like it, and without getting the seeding the team wouldn't necessarily have to be allowed to qualify, would it even have been allowed to compete? I have my own opinion on it, but I'd be interested to know what other people think before I post my thoughts. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:28, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Mute beats the robots that Storm 2 did to win its heat. Storm 2 does the same. Not much change.Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:45, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

It's not really as simple as that though... Is Storm 2 even allowed in? If it is, will it just blitz through the heat? If not, what is its replacement? Can Mute really beat the ones Storm 2 did? And what happens in the semi-final? Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:50, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

My own thoughts: Mute takes the 16th seed spot, and I explored that in the Storm 2 going out first round scenario, I think it could get through the melee with Supernova, Mute beats Trax, Supernova beats The Steel Avenger, Mute beats Supernova (that one is debatable). I'm going to suggest that Storm 2 does enter the Seventh Wars with the lifter and takes Mute's spot in heat L. In the first round, Storm 2 could quite easily take out Demolition Man and a not-spinning Corkscrew Two, going through with Judge Shred 3. Behemoth is an interesting fight, Behemoth might actually be lower at the front, that bucket practically scraped the floor, but ultimately Storm 2 has too much power and goes through. Judge Shred 3 should be fairly straightforward for Storm 2, they shouldn't be able to get underneath.

Semi Final, and it's a reversal of what actually happened, Mute faces The Grim Reaper and Storm 2 fights Firestorm 5. I think Mute just has the beating of The Grim Reaper, the flipper's slightly better and it can get underneath easier. It'd be tight, but Storm 2 beat Firestorm in the real series so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, so Mute fights Storm 2 again. It could go the same way, but I think the lifting arm just gives Storm 2 the edge this time. Storm 2 into the Grand Final, so ultimately it's the same result... Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:53, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Fourth Wars: Bigger Brother self rights against Bulldog Breed
What if Bigger Brother had been able to self right and didn't suddenly crash out of the competition. How would series 4 have turned out?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:37, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, this is really dependent on whether Bigger Brother can beat Bulldog Breed even if it does self-right. For the purposes of this, though, I'll assume it will, or else there'll be no change whatsoever. I would suggest that with Bigger Brother in probably its weakest form and Stinger at its best, I think Stinger takes the heat final on damage, or maybe immobilises Bigger Brother. I'm not even sure that Bigger Brother would win in its most recent form, so I don't think it really stands a chance against Stinger in this form. Rest of the series plays out as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:40, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

S.M.I.D.S.Y. beats Chaos 2
Something I'm surprised hasn't been brought up at all: what if S.M.I.D.S.Y. had been given the judges' nod in series 5 instead of them deciding on a rematch? What would have happened in subsequent series with the seeding and everything? Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:43, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * S.M.I.D.S.Y. would've fought Wild Thing in the Semi Final. Wild Thing would probably win as it is more persistent in its pushing and is more than capable of causing damage to the side of the Cybernet bot. S.M.I.D.S.Y. might cause damage to Wild Thing but that would require S.M.I.D.S.Y. to show its back end to Wild Thing, allowing Wild Thing to push its foe around. Sam (BAZINGA) 18:04, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * So Wild Thing goes through. S3 takes the losers melee, and Wild Thing faces Bigger Brother. Bigger Brother would win that one. No change in the end then. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 22:15, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Seedings would change for series 6 though, which would make things interesting. I'm not really sure how, though, because it's not as simple as swapping Wild Thing and Chaos 2 and bumping Tornado for S.M.I.D.S.Y., Chaos 2's two championships and then in this case a heat final probably count for more than Wild Thing's 3 semi finals... Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:25, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

The seeds would probably look like this:
 * 1) Razer
 * 2) Bigger Brother
 * 3) Firestorm 4
 * 4) Hypno-Disc
 * 5) Wild Thing
 * 6) Dominator 2
 * S3
 * 1) Panic Attack
 * 2) Spawn Again
 * 3) SMIDSY
 * 4) Chaos 2
 * 5) Stinger Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:24, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure. It's not quite as simple as just placing the robots in the order they finished, certain robots would be bumped higher for past victories, like Pussycat in Series 7 was seeded 9th despite not competing in Series 6, or Tornado being seeded in the real Series 6 despite going out in round 2 to Diotoir. As I said before, Chaos 2 had two championships under its belt, is it only worthy of being seeded 11th? S.M.I.D.S.Y. only got to the first round of the semi final in this scenario, so is a single semi final and a heat final worth a higher seeding? Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:36, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

They could do what they did for series 5, and be influenced by the fourth wars. Stinger and Tornado were seeded because of their previous successes in that series.

Would this be a good version?
 * 1) Razer
 * 2) Bigger Brother
 * 3) Hypno-Disc (seeded higher because it is a former runner-up)
 * 4) Firestorm
 * 5) Chaos 2
 * 6) Panic Attack
 * 7) Stinger
 * 8) Wild Thing
 * 9) Dominator 2
 * 10) Tornado
 * 11) Spawn Again
 * 12) SMIDSY

The Morgue awarded win against Firestorm
If they had been awarded that controversial win, what do you reckon would have happened in the semis?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 15:56, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * The Morgue would have been pummeled by Dominator 2.
 * Are you sure one of them wouldn't have been drawn against a seeded robot?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:02, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably not, but if they were it'd be impossible to know what seed they'd face. I would imagine if they did shuffle the seeds around either Chaos 2 or Steg 2 would shift as that was the only all-seed tie in that semi-final. Chaos 2 would easily beat either, Steg 2 would defeat The Morgue easily but might fall to Dominator 2. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:07, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Mute eliminated
Yep, another New Blood one: Mute pitted itself but Terror Turtle was deemed immobilised first, what if the judges had made the opposite call? Again I have my own opinion but I'd be interested to see what others think first. Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:53, April 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * This is assuming the line-up otherwise stays the same, which makes sense, considering the strongest robot in one melee usually fought the second strongest from the other melee. Therefore, Terror Turtle would likely have been drawn up against Mr Nasty, and it would have been a pretty convincing victory for the rambot. Mr Nasty then goes on to face Roobarb and whilst Roobarb might get some flips in, its high body and questionable armour allows for some nice little penetration from Mr Nasty's spike, who eventually takes the judges, provided it doesn't pit Roobarb first.
 * Come the Grand Final, Mr Nasty's luck runs out against Cedric Slammer. It wasn't that strong against heavy blows, and even then, there's the off-chance that Cedric might cut off its aerial. Either way, it falls here. In the playoff, Mr Nasty meets up with Thor, and is able to use its speed to keep away from Thor's hammer and eventually pit it. Cedric, on the other hand, fights Storm 2 and is unable to get its flywheel to use at all against Storm's wedge, whilst its own high ground clearance proves an easy target. In the end, Storm still does win.
 * No idea as to what that would affect for Series 7, though. CrashBash (talk) 12:11, April 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * For Series 7 I would work under the assumption that the other Grand Finalist would fill Mute's position, I doubt a first round drop out would be likely to return, but Mr Nasty wouldn't be allowed in because of the moving weapons rule, and Cedric Slammer didn't attempt to enter Series 7 apparently, so I don't know who would fill that position... Maybe Cedric Slammer would have been encouraged to return or something? Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:16, April 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with how the rest of the New Blood would go. If Cedric Slammer was encouraged by a slightly more successful run, it might have made it into/been allowed into series 7. For Mr Nasty, let's just say that for the sake of this hypothetical scenario it kept the front spike, but added a small moving weapon (such as a drill) that wouldn't make much difference to how it would perform in battle. Assuming that Cedric Slammer and Mr Nasty get put in Mute and Thor's heats, here's how I think things would go.


 * Cedric Slammer would be in Heat L. I see it tearing into Demolition Man's armour and immobilising it, while Judge Shred 3 flips Corkscrew Two Oota. In round 2, Cedric Slammer faces Behemoth, and I'm afraid that it will advance no further. Behemoth is just too solid for the spinner, and its scoop will slide right under the front prongs allowing it to flip Cedric again and again. Behemoth fights Judge Shred and I think it can finally get the second semi-final place it's been dreaming of all these years. Behemoth's scoop practically touches the floor and I can see it picking up Judge Shred 3 using the scoop and axe, before dumping it over the arena wall. In the semi-finals however, Firestorm just overwhelms Behemoth and throws it around, getting it stuck against the side wall before throwing the bulldozer Oota.


 * Meanwhile, Mr Nasty is in Heat D. Gravity would probably still view Hydra as the most potent threat and flip it around. Meanwhile Hodaf The Bad tries to get its flipper into play, but Mr Nasty is too nippy and rams into the bulky machine, making some holes in the side armour and earning valuable damage points. If Gravity breaks a camera by throwing Hydra into it again, then the Judges vote Gravity and Mr Nasty through. If Hydra flys Oota without breaking a camera, then I reckon Hodaf would either eventually break down from Mr Nasty's attacks or get thrown out by Gravity. In round 2, Mr Nasty faces Lightning, and like Cedric Slammer goes no further. Due to Lightning's sloped shape, the only place likely to be pierced by Mr Nasty's spike would be the rear of the machine (still pretty unlikely due to Lightning's tough armour). Considering Lightning's speed and agility, I don't see Mr Nasty getting that opportunity. Lightning will use its wedge to scoop Mr Nasty up and pit it after ramming it and throwing it around the arena for a bit.


 * If Thor entered Series 7, let's say that it replaces one of the cannon fodder robots. I can see it reaching round 2, maybe even a couple of heat finals in some of the heats (H and J come to mind if it can avoid St. Agro or Thermidor 2 until the end/slyly avoid them in the round 1 melee). The only Heat I think that Thor had a shot at winning was B.


 * Another hypothetical scenario; Thor is a reserve for the series, and gets put in Heat B as a substitute for Terrorhurtz. In round 1 I think that it would target the bulky, cumbersome Killerkat, and immobilise it with several hammer blows. Meanwhile, Gyrobot is too low for Jackson Wallop's spinner, and takes its wheels off. Round 2, and Thor fights Big Nipper. I see Big Nipper getting some shoves in, but Thor could beach it on its wedge and hammer the flat top. The Judges put Thor through on damage and aggression. The Heat Final is a closely fought one, with Grim Reaper getting a couple of good flips in, but Thor smashes the top polycarb panels. Another Judges' Decision, and Thor goes through to the Semi-Finals on damage. There however, Storm 2 just slams Thor into oblivion. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 15:29, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

The Brute in World Championship
The Brute had to pull out because The Revolutionist damaged it badly in season 1. What if it was able to compete and Drillzilla never competed? How do you think the 2nd World Championship would've gone down? We would definitely have had a different runner-up.Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:15, April 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Brute would have been in the same rumble as Firestorm, most likely. That being the case, I think it'd be an easy win for Firestorm, considering Brute's small size, ineffective weaponary and high ground clearance. That'd put it up against Manta, and Firestorm would eventually come out on top flipping Manta over. Then it'll be an all-UK final, and...well, it's Razer, we all know what happened then. Cue even MORE posts claiming how it was "rigged" for Razer to win....CrashBash (talk) 20:28, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Wild Thing vs Hypno-Disc
Wild Thing vs Hypno-Disc was such a tightly fought and close battle. According to Wild Thing's entry in the Fun Fax guide, it only lost the Judges' decision by one point. Supposing that Wild Thing just managed to do enough to pull off the upset, how do you think the Series 4 Grand Final (And by extension, Series 5 due to the different top seeds) would have gone?

I think that Wild Thing vs Pussycat would be a great battle. Pussycat is normally quite hard to get a hold of, but Wild Thing has the lance which can pin Pussycat against the wedge. Wild Thing is pretty solid and stood up to Hypno-Disc pretty well, so I can't see Pussycat's blade doing a lot of damage. After a long hard fight, the Judges put Wild Thing through on aggression.

The play-off occurs this time, and is Pussycat vs Stinger. I don't think that Pussycat's extra weight gave it a particular advantage in the Extreme encounter, and I think it would still beat Stinger on damage and control.

The Grand Final: Chaos 2 vs Wild Thing. Just like Series 5, this is a fast paced, exciting battle. Chaos 2 throws Wild Thing around a bit, but Wild Thing fights back with some shoves (more effective this time due to the disc not being there to block the wedge). It goes to the Judges, and Chaos 2's shoves combined with flips give it the win based on aggression.

This is what I think the resulting seedings for Series 5 would look like:

1. Chaos 2

2. Wild Thing

3. Pussycat

4. Stinger

5. Razer (Since the playoff happened this time, I think that the producers would keep the top 4 intact, but squeeze Razer into the high rankings)

6. Panic Attack

7. Hypno-Disc

8. Firestorm

9. 3 Stegs to Heaven

10-24: Same as in real life.

Heat A: Chaos 2 still wins (the S.M.I.D.S.Y. controversy may or may not happen).

Heat B: Pussycat cuts into Black Widow's legs and immobilises it. Atomic gets a few flips in, but Pussycat carves into its shell and takes the Judges' vote. In the Heat Final, Bulldog Breed wasn't quite the beast that flipped Pussycat out in the Tag Team Terror yet, and I see Pussycat tearing the Bulldog's link out.

Heat C: Razer vs Hippobotamus, ouch. Tell me you would not pay to see that! Razer chews the poor Hippo into tiny pieces, and then it traps and pierces yet another rear hinged flipper in General Carnage. We saw the Heat Final in the real Semi-Finals; Razer will once again crush S3.

Heat D: Hypno-Disc decapitates Bee-capitator (well, more like smashes it into oblivion). Sir Chromalot's wheel hub holds firm, but it breaks down under constant pressure from Hypno-Disc. Finally, Reactor gets its wheels smashed in.

Heat E: 3 Stegs to Heaven hits Trouble 'n' Strife with its disc a few times, but gets flipped around and gouged by Strife's rear disc. The Judges vote 3 Stegs out- a seed finally falls! Trouble 'n' Strife puts Napalm out of commission for good, but then falls foul of Prizephita Mach 2- I don't think it can self-right.

Heat I: Firestorm vs Eleven.... wow. This could be either hilarious or really boring: Eleven can't do anything to Firestorm, while Firestorm would probably just drive straight under Eleven half the time. The Judges eventually vote Firestorm through on aggression (bumping into Eleven's legs and tapping the underbelly with its flipper). Firestorm then throws Tetanus straight over and Oota. In the Heat Final, I see a repeat (or foreshadowing) of the Extreme 2 All Stars with Firestorm flipping Bigger Brother until BB runs out of gas.

Heat J: Panic Attack. Déjà vu, much?

Heat K: Stinger bashes Big Nipper until it breaks down, before mullering Widow's Revenge and whacking the boxy Rick to win the Heat.

Heat L: Wild Thing pits The Executioner, then rams Clawed Hopper until the Judges put it through. In the Heat Final, Wild Thing outlasts Fluffy due to superior endurance.

Semi-Final A: Firestorm vs Razer: We've seen this 3 times. Hopefully it would be like the entertaining encounter in the real series 5.

Chaos 2 vs Prizephita Mach 2: Chaos 2 chucks Prizephita Oota.

Stinger vs Spawn Again: Stinger bludgeons Spawn Again into submission; SA just couldn't take hard knocks around this era.

Loser's melee: Firestorm vs Prizephita vs Spawn Again. If Firestorm can be repaired in time, it takes this with utter ease by throwing the others around until they break down or run out of C02 to self-right with.

Round 2: Razer vs Stinger (avoiding rematches): Stinger takes this via the Judges: Razer just can't get a grip on it, and it aggressively whacks away at the World Champion.

Chaos 2 vs Firestorm: Chaos 2 has mostly sat still, while Firestorm has caught up massively. Firestorm flips Chaos 2 over and over until George Francis runs low on C02.

Semi Final B: Wheely Big Cheese vs Dominator 2: Same.

Pussycat vs Hypno-Disc: Hypno-Disc gets its revenge from the real Series 4; the wheel guards are a lot stronger this time around, and it did buckle Pussycat's blade before. Hypno removes Pussycat's wheels.

Wild Thing vs Panic Attack: Another grudge match. Both get some controlled shoves in, but Wild Thing swings the Judges through damage; buckling Panic Attack's forks.

Loser's melee: Wheely Big Cheese vs Pussycat vs Panic Attack. Pussycat buckles Panic Attack's forks leaving it unable to mount a proper offense, and rips into WBC's wheels. Pussycat then beats Panic Attack via the Judges again.

Round 2: Dominator 2 vs Hypno-Disc: Same.

Wild Thing vs Pussycat: Both robots deflect each other with their blades a couple of times, but Wild Thing gets a few good shoves in which give it the Judges' nod against Pussycat yet again.

Grand Final: Hypno-Disc vs Firestorm: Both of them got a victory against each other in Series 5, it's tough. Firestorm looked like it had a loose connection in the Semi-Finals (Graham Bone said before the loser's melee that there were things wrong with the machine that they didn't notice before going into the Hypno-Disc fight), but was able to pit Hypno-Disc without the flipper working in the Play-off. If Firestorm plays it smart, I can see it pitting Hypno again with some superficial damage sustained.

Stinger vs Wild Thing: Wild Thing won't be able to get an effective shove in, so Stinger gets the Judge's nod on aggression.

Play-off: Hypno-Disc vs Wild Thing. Grudge match. Wild Thing's disc hampered its ability to get opponents caught on the wedge in order to push them around, and Hypno-Disc's weapon got a bit stronger between the last series and this. I think it would win on damage.

Final: Firestorm vs Stinger. Bit of an unstoppable force meets an immovable object going on here. The two can't really launch effective attacks against each other, but Firestorm could push/flip Stinger away with the flipper, eventually guiding it into the pit. Firestorm wins!

So, how do you think the Series 4 Grand Final would go, and what do you think the resulting seeds would be like? Other changes could be made e.g. Mini Morg not being seeded 19 (It lost, got reinstated, won through a breakdown then lost again...... seriously?) MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 01:09, April 20, 2014 (UTC)