Forum:Discussion/Archive 1

This is the official discussion page for the arena. If you have an idea for a competition, please create a level three subheading, and provide a basic outline of your idea, under the section titles 'Competition Ideas'. If you want to discuss a topic besides this, changes to policy etc, please do so under the other heading.

Ultimate All-Stars
My idea is a large competition to find out the best robot of all time. This competition would include a main competition, as well as several side competitions, the logistics of which I haven't really worked out yet, so we'll focus on the main competition of a while. The competition would include all British semi-finalists (grand finalists in the case of Series 1), with the exception of Cunning Plan and TRACIE for obvious reasons, as well as every Dutch, American and German series, bringing the grand total to 85 competitors, to be subsidised by 11 wildcards, to bring the list to 96 robots, which would be randomly assigned, with the exception of the Grand Champions which will be assigned to 10 heats so that they might only meet at the semi-final stage. 58 + 11 + 12 + 4 = 85 + 11 wildcards = 96 competitors The series will be structured like the Series 5 competition. I don't think I have anything else to say, so please feel free to post your opinions in the comments section. Matt (Talk) 16:16, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
Like it, but if we exclude Cunning Plan we have to exclude TRACIE too.  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  18:33, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, modified. Matt (Talk) 18:48, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I like the general idea.....but I'm not entirely sure about the idea of having two robots within the same team competing....I mean, yes, it's only a few, but still. We'd either have to remove them or do a Series 7 and make sure they absolutely wouldn't be able to meet until the last battle. CrashBash 18:53, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Another good point. If we decide to go with this idea, we'll work out the logistics when we work out the wildcards. Matt (Talk) 19:30, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I believe something similar has already been done, but with the veterans 'All-Stars' style instead of the proper All-Stars. The Samster 15:45, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

What if we did a tournament with robots that truly stood out in their respective series, or future powerful robots from the series they debuted in? Example Series 1: Roadblock, T.R.A.C.I.E, Mortis, Killertron Series 2: Panic Attack, Behemoth, Razer, Cassius Series 3: Chaos 2, Steg-O-Saw-Us, Firestorm, Hypno-Disc and so on BizarroKing 15:32, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Evolutionary Robot Wars Audited
This is very complicated tournament that will probably need to be ran concurrently with another tournament if it goes ahead and I'm not sure how some of the problems in this could be solved, but here goes: We run through Series 1 as normal, but the results will affect in Series 2 and the results of that will affect Series 3 and so on. A major problem with this is hindsight. We know that the incident with More Panda Monium will happen thus will make sure that they all must have failsafes to stop that and thus Garrod's protest will never happen and thus Cassius will remain in Robot Wars. We also know not to show spoilers and not to allow Tornado's anti-crusher frame and all the other things that caused Robot Wars' decline thus making it go on and on until we get bored and put all these thing into Robot Wars: The Fifteenth Wars. My solution to this is using a program to randomly choose a number between 1 and 4. This number is multiplied by a number between 1 and 3, depending on how obvious the consequences were. The same program will be used again, but will choose numbers between 1 and 12. If it gives us a number higher than the answer to the above sum, the rule change will not be carried. If it is equal or lower than the answer, the rule change will be carried. For decisions where there is a half-way decision between what happened and what we are suggesting, if the number between 1 and 12 is between the random number multiplied by the the chosen number and the random number multiplied by the chosen number plus 1 then that half-way decision will be carried. If there was no consequences to the rule you are trying to change, the decision will be made by a simple vote. Another problem will be how to decide how the robots evolve. I am currently unsure about how we can get a fair decision. I'm sorry if you are confused.

The Samster 15:45, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
You're damn right its complicated! I don't really think this is feasible, as to be honest it is just too complicated, as well as that it would involve redoing series 3 and 4, which we've already done, and it would be splitting hairs to do them again. Matt (Talk) 15:59, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * With Series 3 and 4 though, there would be a lot of opportunity for thing to've changed, so they may've turned out differently. If Cassius had fallen in Round 1, the flipper boom may never've happened and the srimech would only be invented later. The Samster 14:04, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Too complicated for many of us to understand unfortunately.-- STORM  II   21:01, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Extreme Championships
This was a little idea I had today....what if we had a "Championship" for both of the Extreme series, featuring robots that competed in those series? CrashBash 17:58, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Extreme Series 3
This idea stems from a comment that somebody made at the end of Wikia Series 8 (sorry, I forget whose it was), and I think that it might be quite interesting. The problem we have is that we did quite a few side events after Series 8, many of which would normally be seen in Extreme. I don't think it would be a terrible idea to have another Tag Team or Annihilator, but I would only invite back the winners and make the other competitors completely different. We could also do another Challenge Belt, All-Stars and a second European Championship, something which CrashBash suggested a while back.

Of course we would need to think of a few more tournaments we could run, mainly themed events like the ones in Extreme 2, and I don't have any good ideas at the moment. So basically this idea would need a lot of planning and ideas, but I think we could probably come up with something fun and interesting. Christophee (talk) 15:07, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
I was planning of doing one in my blog after I finish Series 9 RWfan 23:37, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

County Championships
This is quite a long and complicated tournament where each English county is represented by a tag-team of two machines from that county. Some counties won't be able to compete if they only have one robot. To decide which robots represent the county, each team enters one machine for the county qualifiers before the actual tournament.

i.e. The Lincolnshire Qualifiers could be structured like this:

Stinger vs Infernal Contraption vs Humphrey

Cyrax vs Hammer & Tong vs RT81 vs Trax

Some counties would have to have a certain pair, Hereford would have to have X-Terminator and ICU, and the East Riding would have to have General Carnage 2 and Warhog. Then, the tag-teams representing each county shall face off to decide the ultimate champions. This will take quite a while so I recommend it being run at the same time as some other competitions.--Shayfan 16:55, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like this idea, but we've done your heat finalist idea, so I removed it. Matt (Talk) 17:04, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

The Series 1 Retribution Tournament
A while ago, I heard that someone had written a comment stating "The worst robots of the later series could have won the first series". If you remember my "Top 10 robots with the worst things said about them" list, you may remember that I disagree with this completely. So this idea came to me. What if we took some of these "worst robots of the later series", put them against some Series 1 robots and see if they really COULD win? Now, understandably, there'd have to be a lot of figuring out which robots should realistically compete, because we don't want to absolutely make it one sided. Of course, it'd be set very much like Series 1 was, because that's what we're trying to prove or disprove. CrashBash (talk) 18:23, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like this idea very much. Well done, CrashBash, for thinking it up.-- STORM  II   19:49, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, I say this should be the next tournament we have. Datovidny (talk) 16:49, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've honestly never heard anyone make that claim. Are we excluding the really good ones from the Series 1 side?  Mortis, Recyclopse, and Roadblock would make for a rather obvious conclusion. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 00:38, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

A New Series 3
Had this idea earlier, but what if Series 3 had kept the Gauntlet and Trial stages? Would Chaos 2 still have won? Here's the idea... 16 heats of 8 robots as before, but in order to make it work two robots will fall at each stage. One seeded robot (which will be pre-decided) will appear in each heat for sake of fairness. I think this would work because unlike our Audited series this would require much more of a well rounded robot, instead of the two best fighters getting through. Snowdog140 22:06, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * Eh, I personally think it's too hard to predict the outcome of a Gauntlet or Trial, so I'd pass on that. Toast  Ultimatum  19:10, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Alternative Series 6/Series 7 Audited
I know that we've just had an audited series, and it was Series 5, but I am still in belief that the audited series are good to do, because it fully captures the imagination of the active users. But anyway, I am happy to with either Series 6 or 7, I'm not picky. But the difference with these is, instead of doing first round melees, which most users don't like doing, if all the first round battles were straight head to head knockout battles. So then we would only have good ol' head to heads for the whole series (although we would have Losers Melees if we did Series 6). Datovidny (talk) 18:32, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like the idea of this because I'm not a huge fan of the 4 way melees, so this could work well. Charlie   M  17:58, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would probably go as far to say that an Audited series is probably the most enjoyable thing to have in The Arena, so we should spread them out evenly, and probably in order. So basically, we should do Audited Series 6 first, but not right now. Toast  Ultimatum  19:10, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * When you say spread them out evenly, how many rotations do you think we should wait before we do this? Datovidny (talk) 21:01, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Apart from the removal of melees, what would change? The seeds were fine as they were. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 22:46, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even the simplest matchup changes can make a difference. Pussycat nearly fell in Round 1 of Series 5. Another possibility could be the addition of an extra 4 heats for Series 6, and then we're guaranteed 4 extra semi-finalists, and Series 7 wouldn't really need it, as that had a lot of robots reaching the Semi-Finals which you might not otherwise expect, like M2, St. Agro and Raging Knightmare, so a simple re-organisation could make a big change, plus we could let robots like Stinger in. An Audited Series is a lot of fun, and I don't think we should see the end of it. Toast  Ultimatum  17:23, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for backing me ToastUltimatum, but yes, I would also be planning to make a few changes to each series. I was intending to scrap the No Weapons rule for Series 7, to allow the opportunity for robots like Stinger and Tanto to compete. The extra heats for Series 6 is also a good idea, as it would remove the need for the Losers Melees, and it would make people think about adding another 4 seeds, as for Series 7, people were always complaining about Ming Dienasty, so let's see what people would replace it with. And yes, the change in the line ups may provide radically different results, which would at least make us think about how well robots in Series 7 like Behemoth and Bigger Brother would've performed if they weren't so unlucky, and if controversial judges' decisions, like Judge Shred vs Mute and Robochicken vs Tough As Nails were to go the other way. Datovidny (talk) 18:34, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Stinger seems the obvious choice to replace Ming if we're allowing it. But about the Series 6 one, where are you planning to get 32 additional robots from? R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk )
 * Firstly, you can't claim that the seedings were almost perfect and that be that, for a start, so many other veterans missed out, that some people may believe should replace robots like S.M.I.D.S.Y. or Thermidor 2, the order of some of the later ones could be swapped around a bit too, and Terrorhurtz could be excluded from the line-up altogether. Secondly, as for the 32 robots, many years ago, I began writing up the line-ups for every series and every tournament that took place in the UK wars, also adding a list of robots that failed to qualify from each series. I'm almost certain that I could fish out 32 robots that failed to qualify for Series 6, and if that fails, there were several robots that entered the second series of Extreme, such as the New Blood competitors, that could be included in the line up to make up the numbers. Datovidny (talk) 15:33, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking at the list, I'd say about 15 of them (maximum) would be worthwhile in having, since the others would easily fall in Round 1, or we don't really know enough about them to vote on them. We don't need the extra heats for Series 6, but I thought that would be one way that could make the series appear interesting enough for us to try for the next rotation. I do have other ideas in mind that could make things a bit more interesting. Datovidny (talk) 16:08, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * No no I was talking about the Series 6 seedings being fine. Seires 7 I'll admit I can see a case being made for both sides.  Anyways, my real aversion to increasing the number of qualifying robots is that people seem to enjoy choosing bin candidates, and it would be a shame if we couldn't do that. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 15:14, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thinking about it now, it doesn't look like Series 6 would be a good idea, but I am still in belief that another Series 7 Audited is the way to go, I know we've technically done it before in the form of Wikia Series 8, but that was different to Series 7 to an extent and I promise I can make this more exciting for the new generation of users here on the wiki. Datovidny (talk) 16:33, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I personally love the idea of doing a audited series 6 or 7; Granted I've done 6 and starting on 7 in my blogs but would still love to do this and see how it would go with others voting. If we were to do say series 6, I'd be interested in having it follow the events of the audited series 5 with Hypno-Disc as champion going in and so on. Also, I know a lot of you seem against the idea of the 4 way melees but what about formatting it like Series 4 with the three way eliminators? Instead of 12 heats we could go back to 16 and it would still consist of 96 robots. Just a random musing IF we did Series 6. Series 7 I'd be fine with 1 on 1.--BizarroKing (talk) 03:26, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Likewise, I definitely want to do both, and I reckon we might only need to do one more tournament after War of the Weapons before its been long enough do do the next audited series. Series 6 seems to be getting opposition, mainly because the seeding was perfect, but I still see a point. There should just about be enough robots to comprise four extra heats if we wanted, as long as we use New Blood entrants, and then we can decide more seeds along with it. 3-way battles was a good idea, never thought of that, but ultimately, I'd rather stick with 1-on-1. The real Series 6 had a bunch of things that "weren't meant to happen", like Chaos 2 going out in the heats, and Wild Thing and Spawn Again winning the heats that an unseeded robot was meant to win, so even just a simple rearrangement is enough to make a fun tournament. Toast  Ultimatum  06:54, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * The 3-way melees is a good idea, but ultimately the only reason we would have them is to stop there being Losers Melees, and what's the point in replacing 2 battles we could do without, with 32 of them in a different place? As for the adding more robots in, if you look at the robots that did fail to qualify for Series 6, you could bring in about 10-15 which would be good robots to have, but the rest of those you'd bring in would be those that we either know nothing about, or fell immediately in New Blood, and this would also reduce the possibility for bin candidates. I would say I'm more on board for a Series 7, but I'm still more than open to a Series 6, but less things would change. Datovidny (talk) 08:37, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is sort of why I suggested that if we did Series 6 we could have it be a follow-up to the Audited Series 5, which in turn would make it quite different than the original with the different seedings and what not (at least in theory anyway). We could decide how we could format it down the road if and when we do this. Otherwise, I'd be more than open to series 7 or the fantasy tournament previously suggested.--BizarroKing (talk) 23:28, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see what you're saying, but for a very long while there has been talk of an Evolutionary Series to take place on the wiki, where we do an Audited Series 1, and then do Series 2 following on from our 1, and so on. We might as well wait for that rather than host a smaller version. Datovidny (talk) 08:30, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

A Formatting Idea
This isn't a tournament idea, but in looking over our past tournaments, I've observed that the old format works a lot better in 4-way melee situations. The old format is where everyone just posts their thoughts in a sub-header, rather than separating it by robot. I feel like I can make stronger arguments when I'm consolidating it all into one block of text (I wanted to say "everyone," but I can only gauge myself), rather than splitting it between the two qualifying bots. If we decide to re introduce 4 way melees, then I'd strongly recommend setting them up that way and only keeping it as is for the one-one-one's. Also, if we do 3-way eliminators, perhaps we should set it up so that people vote one robot out instead of two robots in - for the same reason of consolidating arguments. I'd be more open to formats outside of one-on-one if we do them this way. Just my two pence. '''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 13:26, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I'm all for this idea. I don't tend to contribute much to melee battles because I find it difficult to argue for the two robots I want to go through, but I would find it easier if I could just say what I think will happen in the battle as a whole. Christophee (talk) 15:08, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Tag Team Terror
How about a tag team terror where the teams have a theme (like Clawed Hopper with Black Widow as Team Insect Walkers or Kan-Opener and Crustacean as Team Crab) or a team is made up of two robots from one team (like Team Vader, Mouse, Ming and Torque).  Mad looney 6 15:18, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * Interesting thought, but the first one, I think most of the teams wouldn't really stand much of a chance at all, and there won't be much thinking involved in the votes. As for the second one, that has more integrity about the idea, but I think the number of teams taking part would be minimal, unless you intend to have teams like Pussycat and Bodyhammer, which to be honest wouldn't work for me, since the robots would be too different in terms of capability for the tournament to be a close one. Datovidny (talk) 16:24, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I put some ideas for teams in my Sandbox, just have a look please.  Mad looney 6 15:46, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * So is this a bad tournament idea?  Mad looney 6 10:58, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly? No, not ay all, but I agree with David's comments that some match ups may not be suited to each other. Maybe a suitable alternative to that would be to vote on potential match ups, much as we do with Audited series and their bin candidates. But on the whole I think a Tag Team Terror is a fantastic idea, if done properly. snowdog  140  14:20, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Are some of the match-ups in my sandbox any good?  Mad looney 6 14:28, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I like the look of Team Wales, Team RCC, Team Cat would work quite well too. We can judge on Team Mouse and Teal Rivalry because they existed, but on the whole I think you made some pretty decent teams there. snowdog  140  16:07, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Colour Wars
This is a request I get a lot on Youtube, but have always been too busy to undertake. Similar to War of The Weapons, each colour has a separate heat to get the representative. Off the top of my head I'm thinking red, yellow, green, blue, pink, black, white, and silver are the most common colours. We could have anything from 16 to 96 robots competing depending on our ambitiousness. I don't have all the finer points worked out, but I think it would make for an interesting competition. '''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 15:14, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I think a lot of robots would be tricky to judge, I mean, what colour would you say Behemoth is? Datovidny (talk) 16:17, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I think this is another fine idea, we're certainly not short of options anymore. And, @Datovidny, there'd be enough fully yellow robots anyway, but for situations like that, we would have a page like Bin Candidates, where we can choose who goes in what. Monocolour robots aren't that uncommon (e.g. Mute, Hydra) Toast  Ultimatum  15:21, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, don't mind me. Datovidny (talk) 16:24, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh hey, that was my request from a while back actually. I'd love to see it in action :D Badnik96 00:11, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ragnabot
Call this a Bucket-List idea, but I'd like to do a tournament featuring more or less every robot that's ever fought a battle on Robot Wars. I'm thinking we exclude robots whom we've never witnessed in battle (so that would be ones who failed at the gauntlet and trial, plus German and American series robots whose episodes we haven't seen), and we can of course discuss robots that are too overpowered to make it fun. I just got in the mood to do a stupidly huge tournament, so why not, right? I would like to be the moderator of this tournament. '''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )'''

Comments

 * With all due respect, RA2, it sounds a little too complicated for what it is worth....even if it was, say, narrowed down to all the robots seen in the UK series (including non-UK championship competitors) it would be a bit complex.CrashBash (talk) 20:58, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see your idea in doing a haiyujj tournament, but ultimately, Snowdog's idea has the advantage in this way: Use every robot in existance, or use a vast selection of our favourite robots? Might as well be narrowed down to our favourites. Toast  Ultimatum  22:32, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's certainly a good idea, one that I think could work very well if it was organised properly, but as you can see with my blog (which is a very similar concept) it'll take a huge amount of time, I've been doing this for a year now and am only half way through. That said though, I'm more than happy to take part. snowdog  140  14:20, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this is a interesting idea but we should try to flesh it out more before we actually do it. Maybe for the anniversary of the forum or Robot Wars in general. BizarroKing (talk) 22:51, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Unsung Heroes
A tournament for robots (or versions of robots) that only fought in Extreme and Side Competitions but to make up the numbers, I would also include robots that never got past the gauntlet or trial rounds. --Rescuers1&amp;2rthebest 13:56, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Sounds like a blend of the Legends Special and the Redemption Championship that we've had, could be quite interesting. Datovidny (talk) 14:59, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well, this mainly harks back to a fantasy tournament I suggested on Facebook once. Like I say, only robots (or particular versions of robots) that only fought in Extreme, Side-Competitions, the Gauntlet or the Trial rounds would be eligible to compete. --Rescuers1&amp;2rthebest 15:37, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

A Fantasy Audited War
So, I think an Audited war is always a good thing, but I think rather than doing one replicating a specific war, I'd like to see it involving robots that we'd vote for. These robots can be any robot that is covered on the wiki, although maybe not those who failed to qualify, as it could be difficult to write reports for them. So, sixteen heats of eight robots, each member can vote for up to thirty robots to include in the championship, and those with the most votes are automatically in, in the case of a huge tie break for one vote robots I'd suggest another quick round of votes for the remaining places. Seeding can then begin, I doubt we'd need bin candidates, but we'll see how voting goes. snowdog 140  14:16, July 22, 2012 (UTC) Edit: The weight change was mentioned in chat, I vote that this be disregarded purely to allow older robots to still put up a fair fight. Also, I think having war specific robots is a good idea for this, instead of the most recent model (for example, if I wanted Haardvark I could vote for either version depending on what I wanted).

Comments

 * So the idea for your tournament is a tournament with no theme whatsoever. I like it, count me in. Toast  Ultimatum  14:22, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I really really like this idea, it's the simple ones that work. Matt Robot Wars.jpg Talk to me  14:38, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I like your idea, count me in. Sam (BAZINGA) 15:02, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it needs a better name, but the idea is solid. To make it interesting, I think we'd have to exclude the really good robots (Chaos 2, Razer etc.) otherwise they will run away with it like in the Audited Series. Christophee (talk) 15:13, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah that is something that can be sorted, I also agree not allowing the successful ones in, maybe no Grand Finalists? That way we still get a very good mix. snowdog  140  15:34, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't see anything wrong with that, but as always other people may have other ideas, which I respect.  STORM  II   15:37, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I like this idea, even if Storm 2 was too successful to be allowed in. Perhaps I should tell you now that I am useless at picking items.  STORM  II   15:31, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd so love to be a part of this in some form but only if I'm allowed to. Perhaps hear out some of my robot suggestions at least, I always feel left out in the Wiki tourneys, something I'd really like to do. Also, would series semi finalists be allowed (as in robots that made it to the series semi finals but not the grand finals, like Dominator 2, S3, etc)?--BizarroKing (talk) 17:24, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * If they were banned, you'd have no tournament left. Toast  Ultimatum  18:07, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I personally have no concerns with you taking part, we seem to be a small cluster of members now anyway and the rule seems to have been relaxed. As for the tournament, semi-finalists would be allowed to give some variety, so Dominator 2, S3 etc would be allowed, but it depends on who the members vote for. snowdog  140  20:09, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * BizarroKing, you can if you like apply for an informal arena permission early by scrolling to the relevant section of this page and writing your argument there. If that doesn't sway the admins they will provide stuff for you to do (there's tons of stuff over on the job list) that will keep you busy for a while.  STORM  II   09:21, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Storm, I am posting my arguments and submitting a request for arena permission right now. I hope for the best. --BizarroKing (talk) 20:38, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * At the risk of out-staying my welcome (again), I am wondering if I would be allowed to take part as I previously achieved the required 500 edit quota under my previous account, besides Snowdog suggested I at least enquire.--Nononsensecapeesh (talk) 12:31, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * You did get over 500 with your old account, and you're almost half way there with your current one, so I will add you to the exceptions list. Once you've been added, you are free to take part in the Arena, but it will be conditional on you continuing to work towards 500 edits. Don't feel you have to rush though. Christophee (talk) 15:18, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Christophee, you told Nononsensecapeesh on his talk page: Did you close your old account then? If so, I'd be happy to give you special permission to vote in the Arena forums based on your old account's edit count, but not until you've been a little more active with this one, just to show you're serious about staying. I think that's fair. 200 edits, by me would be considered active, and that's in addition to his 500 edits of old. If you ask me, he doesn't even need conditional access, he should just be listed as a permanent member.


 * Regardless, Nononsensecapeesh, be sure to post 30 robots Forum:A Fantasy Audited War Basepage here. Toast  Ultimatum  19:27, November 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh thanks a bunch, thanks a bloody bunch, scuse me French. 30 robots is going to be a bit of an ask for the time being but I will do my best. So anyone as long as they did not reach the UK Grand Final. It would help if someone had told me not to be in such a hurry to reach the all-important 500 edits under my previous account and to a lesser extent this one, I would not have ended up making such a pest of myself but I am grateful all the same.--Nononsensecapeesh (talk) 20:45, November 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, you don't have to post 30, that's just what everyone else is doing. Post as many as you want under 30. Toast  Ultimatum  21:00, November 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I shall do my best, that is all I can do, are there any other conditions besides the fact that are to be no Grand Finalists before I start?--Nononsensecapeesh (talk) 21:03, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even that rule is unexistant, Chaos 2, Roadblock, Hypno-Disc and X-Terminator are fairly popular. The only robots we ask you don't choose are Razer, Typhoon 2, Terrorhurtz, Series 5 onwards Tornado, Firestorm and Storm II. Toast  Ultimatum  21:46, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Now that you mention it, Toast, it does make sense that reaching the 500 quota with a previous account should be sufficient to get permanent access to the Arena forums. I'll amend what I said on the policy page. So now, Nononsense, you can be in even less of a rush to make edits. Christophee (talk) 21:54, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well thank you again guys and sorry for the delay, my internet connection went down just when I was literally about to get started, but I am about to commence my list of eligible competitors.--Nononsensecapeesh (talk) 09:40, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Lovable Losers

 * Somewhat similar to the "Unsung Heroes" and "Fantasy Wars" previously suggested; This tournament would basically consist of robots that have never won a single battle, or robots from the first two wars and fell in the gauntlet or trials and thus never competed in a battle. We could also include robots with very poor win/loss records (Sumpthing) as well, but that's if you wanna do it; this was just a random idea that was bouncing around in my head just now.--BizarroKing (talk) 21:03, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * We did try that once, and it almost killed the arena forums. The problem is that all the outcomes are decided by conjecture.  Also, it was rapidly becoming clear that we were headed for an all-flipper finale, and I can't have been the only person who was jaded by that. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 22:32, August 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Besides giving Pinser a chance to win, I imagine this being a bit bland, featuring mostly lacklustre robots. Toast  Ultimatum  13:16, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * As RA2 says, this is like the Redemption Championship, which nobody really enjoyed at all. This is one of those things where it would feature about 5 or 6 interesting robots, but the rest of the line-up wouldn't really encourage voting from anyone. Datovidny (talk) 17:59, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Featherweight Championships
The title speaks for itself, to hold a tournament for the featherweights, I'm not really bothered about how many, but enough to make a tournament last for a couple of weeks. Users can put forward their suggestions, whether they competed in the legitimate featherweight championships, or they were just in Heat D of Series 1, or something. Datovidny (talk) 14:08, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * Can I argue against this? No chance, I'd love to see this. snowdog  140  14:20, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was also thinking of the other weight classes when I thought of this, but I thought this'll get the biggest turn-out (and if Typhoon is allowed in, no clear winner from the start). Datovidny (talk) 14:24, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see no problems with this, it sounds like fun. Sam (BAZINGA) 14:49, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Mayhem and Annihilators
Another idea that was bouncing around in my brain just now. Mostly basing this idea on Extreme 1, I was thinking we could have a series of Mayhem battles with various themes and the six winners of each three way battle would all face off in a Annihilator to crown one undisputed champion. Could be a good idea for any one-shot battles that aren't large enough for it's own tourney, and I could think of a few, or we could all vote on a theme. BizarroKing (talk) 02:09, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Mortis fan club (competitors all have the same axe/lifter combo): Hydra vs Comgetorix vs Hydrotech
 * It's not a bad idea really, the trouble is most people on here don't really like having melees, you'll have to battle them about it. Are there any restrictions as to who can enter or can any robot be put forward. Datovidny (talk) 16:12, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, no real restrictions that I can think of. Basically here were a few example battles I thought of

For the love of Matilda (they all had a 'crush on Matilda'): Hellbent vs Hassocks Hog 2 vs Killerkat

Any 6 Mayhem battles which leads up to a big Annihilator battle is what I was thinking.BizarroKing (talk) 21:18, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * A nice idea, but we have had problems in the past trying to figure out who would go through in battles with four robots...six might be a problem. CrashBash (talk) 17:36, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Vengeance Challenge Belt
Occasionally, if I can't think of anything really unique, I often just merge two events together and see where that takes me. As it happens, this is one of them. The Vengeance Challenge Belt works exactly like the Challenge Belt, but every battle is pretty much a grudge match between the two competitors. Obviously, it doesn't have to be robots that have fought each other...it could be something completely trivial (lets face it, a lot of the vengeance battles in Extreme 1 and NRW were trivial grudges). But the point being there has to be at least a sprinkling of a reason for the two to fight. Now, obviously, it'd be a bit pointless for this to just go on and on, so what I suggest is that after any one robot has won three challenges, they go through to a final...then after we have, say, four belt-holders, we work it like a typical Robot Wars final to see who is the ultimate challenger. Now, I understand it could very well get complicated, as we'd need to decide which robot should challenge the current belt holder and why after each battle, but we won't know until we try, right? CrashBash (talk) 17:34, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * It only needs to be as complicated as we want it to be. We can very simply have a seperate forum page for the competition, alongside the page(s) with the battle tables on them, but we have seperate headings for each robot that is the current holder, and users an just forward suggestions for opponents, if the majority agree, then they can be lined up to fight, and so on. Datovidny (talk) 19:56, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not the most keen, if the voters are choosing, people are going to choose robots that would make a close match for the belt holder, and then the tournament would never end as no robot would ever win three times in a row, until something uber comes along. It's good in principle, but it has that aforementioned flaw, and another. Either the opponents would be chosen by Matt, which wouldn't offer much voter input, or we'd have to choose them all before each battle, which would be slow and boring. Apologies, but this isn't my choice. Toast  Ultimatum  22:27, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's OK, I will admit it wasn't my best idea, but I wanted to express it anyway. CrashBash (talk) 06:08, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Toast's concren is a possibility, but this is my favourite idea on the table (apart from my own, but that's hardly objective,) which is why I'd be up for trying it out and seeing what happens. It's a nice change of format.  The one thing I ask is that we decide each challenger democratically.  I've been rather vocal about my disdain for picking bots randomly for awards, competitor lists, etc.  R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 14:57, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Redone Extreme Warriors Season 1
The first US championship was supposed to be 4 proper heats (each in the style of Series 4) insted of four 6-way melees. My idea is to play out the first season if they kept to that format. The groupings of 6 remain the same, and they're randomly divided into two 3-way eliminators. It'll be very brief, and interesting to see if we get the msame four finalists and if Panzer still wins. All the robots fight in their Season 1 forms. Some of Season 1 championship is on youtube, albeit not high quality. Coffin Bot and Tiger Cat stay in - I see no reason that the Clown and Skullmania wouldn't still be broken.'''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 15:51, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * An original idea to say the least, but I can see two drawbacks. 1) Some users don't really like dealing with melees. 2) Some users may not have enough knowledge on the competing robots to make much of a reasoned argument. Datovidny (talk) 15:59, November 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I very much like the idea. My one reservation was that not everyone will have seen the episode and I wasn't sure whether it was still on YouTube, but if it is then I see no reason not to try it. Christophee (talk) 16:00, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be willing to give it a go. I wouldn't have so much of a problem with remembering the robots, but then, I do tend to remember these sorts of things a bit too well. As another question, what would we do concerning Skullmania, Conquering Clown, Coffin-Bot and Tiger Cat? CrashBash (talk) 16:25, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that answers my question...it's still something I've been curious about for a while...but if I'm the only one who remembers it well enough, then I don't want to spoil all the fun. CrashBash (talk) 22:20, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * A good idea it is, though regarding the battles being on YouTube, I've only seen the three of Panzer Mk. 2 and The Revolutionist's battles. Manta and... erm... the other one, I have not seen their first-round melees, nor can I find them. If you can find them, please link me there. Toast  Ultimatum  18:16, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ach, it seems I was wrong, that there are only two of the melees and two of the final battles available. I don't know, I don't want to give up on it. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 21:32, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw the battles when they were originally up, but I don't remember enough about them to take part in a fantasy tournament. I imagine a lot of other users are probably in the same boat. Christophee (talk) 22:03, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Back to the Warzone
A random little idea that came to me for a new tournament, after looking through the category "Robots that are Still Competing Today". It's an interesting list of robots, and not really one where an obvious winner is present. So I was thinking, maybe we could have a small tournament based upon that very list, where robots that are still in action as of when the list was last updated take part, appearing as they did when we last saw them on the show itself. We could hold it in a similar style to the New Blood competition from Extreme 2 with 24 robots...or if we're feeling adventurous, have it like the first Dutch series with 30 robots. But we can discuss that when we come to it. CrashBash (talk) 23:26, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * If we're only having heavyweights, the number of them in the category is 36, which is just the most perfect number isn't it? Datovidny (talk) 19:36, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, although one of those robots is Storm 2...CrashBash (talk) 20:05, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've got two answers to that: 1) it's now 37, 2) I'm pretty sure robots like Behemoth could take down Storm 2. Datovidny (talk) 20:08, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Are they in their present forms or their Robot Wars forms? R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk ) 21:05, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * As I stated, they are as we last saw them in Robot Wars. It's purely for ease if nothing else. CrashBash (talk) 21:13, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do agree that Storm 2 would have an unfair advantage, and that we should do whatever we need to not have it. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk ) 22:00, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm in on this. I'm also in on getting rid of Storm 2.--Rammingspeed (talk) 20:50, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Robot Wars: The German Struggles - Series 2
Now the idea for this isn't to do it as a "full tournament", if you will. Some users may find the discussion process of the Arena to be comparatively less exciting, so what I'm thinking here is that we do a very short tournament while discussion is taking place. I have also noticed from the nomination process of A Fantasy Audited War that German robots are all the rage lately, due to the recent uploading of the German Struggles.

If we do this tournament in the same format as the original German Struggles, and do both heats at the same time, this tournament will only require four rounds of voting;


 * First-round Melees
 * Grand Final Qualifiers
 * Grand Final Round 1
 * 5th Place Playoff, 3rd Place Playoff, Grand Final

A nice little tournament like this to do during the discussion process should be fun, and I do believe enough has changed since the the original series for it to be worth doing;


 * Tsunami has been considerably upgraded
 * Ansgar's Revenge has been replaced by Ansgar 3
 * Not Perfect has been replaced by Reaper NP2
 * Hydrotec has been replaced by Snake Bite
 * The Dutch competitor Absolut Krankhaft can be replaced with Austrian robot Mekaniac.
 * The comparatively bad Thorgrim can be replaced with I Bot One Beta

Black Hole and Tyke, the 1st and 4th seeds would be placed in Heat A, while 2nd and 3rd seeds Tsunami and Son of Armageddon would enter Heat B, with the remaining eight spaces being filled by Golem, I Bot One Beta, Ansgar 3, Reaper NP2, Junkyard Queen, Snake Bite, Mekaniac and Delldog.

If Matt wants to focus on the Discussion, then I can host this tournament. I would probably quite like to do that anyway, though it's also fair to hand the job to our current commentator who is responsible for us even having the German Robot Wars.

If this tournament is to take place during discussion, we'll need opinions on whether or not we want to do this tournament as soon as possible. Toast Ultimatum  13:40, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * Good idea, but if Reaper NP2 replaces Absolut Krankhaft, then Team Not Perfect would have two robots. May I also suggest that Hydrotec gets upgraded to Snake Bite, and Mechaniac could be included, as Austria is as close to being German as Switzerland is. Christophee (talk) 13:47, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've updated the description accordingly. Toast  Ultimatum  13:59, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been in the mood for a German confrontation for a while now, ever since the German Wars was uploaded. It's a nice idea, however, I feel it might be too similar to the original tournament. There's two ways around that - either find four more robots to compete and have a line-up of 16 (which might mean "pulling a Das Gepack", so to speak), or having a different heat structure. Something like the Semi-Finals of UK 5/6 and the heats of Dutch 1, with three first round battles, then a loser's melee. The rest would be the same, though. CrashBash (talk) 14:46, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I like the losers melee idea. Not only do we get a different format to make it more interesting, but every robot gets at least two battles. Christophee (talk) 14:58, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd like to avoid having losers melees within the heat, as it means having an extra round of voting, when this is supposed to be a quick little thing, though I'll accept it if enough uther users would like that. Adding four extra robots is theoretically possible, if we reinstate Thorgrim and Absolut Krankhaft, allow Team Not Perfect to enter their original robot alongside Reaper NP2, add Flensburger Power, or maybe even chuck Dynamite in there, though my personal choice would be to stick with three-way first round melees, as they're easier to vote for. Still, it's up to the majority. Honestly, I don't think it would be that similar to the original series, as if we go with my suggestions for 12 robots, Tsunami and Ansgar are going to be significantly better than before, there's three all-new robots with Reaper NP2, Snake Bite and I Bot One Beta, and Tyke probably won't pull off such a fluke for a second time. If I hosted, the heats would be structured in a way that would avoid repeat matches (so no Random.org), and some rematches wouldn't even be that bad, as Tsunami vs. Black Hole and Tyke vs. Golem could easily go the other way around in a rematch. Ultimately, even if the tournament does wind up similar to German Series 1, it is only a mini thing to make the discussion stage of the arena more entertaining. Toast  Ultimatum  15:04, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * With the upmost respect, a losers melee would only add one extra round, nothing too big. It kinda reminds me of when I made my own German series with Lego robots. But that's just my thoughts. Other than that, it's a nice line-up. CrashBash (talk) 15:09, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, we'll see whether the other users would pick Losers' Melees or not. I suppose having three one-on-one battles would be nice. Toast  Ultimatum  15:15, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I like this idea of a bite size yournament, let's make it happen. Regarding the losers' melee, I'm happy to do it that way; the best man won in most of the real-life occurrences. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 17:45, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * With A Fantasy Audited War nearing its end, I think we need to get deciding whether this will happen during the selection process for the next big tournament, and whether Matt still wants to host this as well as managing the discussion process, or if I should commentate this one. Toast  Ultimatum  15:27, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Guys, if we don't decide on this now, the tournament won't happen. Toast  Ultimatum  15:10, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I like this tournament idea. It'll be fun. Sam (BAZINGA) 15:29, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think we should do this one next. Have we decided on which robots and format we're using yet? Christophee (talk) 16:07, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've decided to go with the heat formats of the Dutch Robot Wars, and the robots taking part will be Black Hole, Tsunami, Son of Armageddon, Tyke, Reaper NP2, Junkyard Queen, Golem, Snake Bite, Mekaniac, I Bot One Beta, Ansgar 3 and Delldog. The only decision left to make is who's hosting it. Toast  Ultimatum  16:12, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Robots from console games
Since we're getting to the end of the Fantasy Audited war, I was thinking of a tournament idea. How about a smaller tournament, with at most 12 heats, and probably at least 8 or 4. So everyone would nominate probably about 20 or so robots with around half being the fictional robots in the console games(Extreme Destruction(PC/Xbox)and Arenas of Destruction) that have pages with pictures on the wiki. If the robot is in two games, then please specify which, e.g. Major Damage AoD. Of course the rule about the real robots would be no obvious winners, e.g. Razer, series 5 onwards Tornado, Firestorm, Storm 2. And the robots aren't in their video game forms (otherwise Pussycat would be laughable). And I know most of them in Arenas of Destruction don't have srimechs, but quite a few do in Extreme Destruction. And some that don't have incredible pushing power, Tractor and Plough King for example. I know flywheels don't work so well in game, but these robots can have at least some power. Xmas Destruction, Double O and Spanners probably won't be causing Hypno-Disc style damage, but won't be completely obsolete like Mayhem. And besides, some of the better robots in the game can take on the TV series robots, like Major Damage, or Corbinator. The format would probably be 3 way melees for 12 or 8 heats, where you would vote out the loser, like the war of the weapons. And if it was four heats, there would be eight robots. The easy way to do 4 heats is the series 5 format, but there is a way that you could do four way melees. I'd say with that would be that everyone votes for one robot they think would be eliminated, and the two that get the most votes will go, I think theres probably about 9 or 10 active arena users at the moment, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem, please leave comments and tell me what you think RelicRaider (talk) 10:12, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Sorry, but I have to think that the fictional robots will just get creamed, and then it'll just turn into Ultimate All-Stars, with robots like Razer and Firestorm earning boring victories left and right. Toast  Ultimatum  15:20, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah maybe, but Razer and Firestorm wouldn't be competing, along with some of the always boring winners, that do well in ever tournament they're in. RelicRaider (talk) 17:13, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Audited Series 4 (Volume 2)
The wiki's already had a Redone Series 4, but it was done way back in 2009/2010 with only a few users, before we started using the new voting format and had gathered new information on other robots that failed to qualify. Also, there's a whole new breed of users these days, pardon the expression, but there are a lot more users who can input their ideas, maybe Chaos 2 won't win this time around... Datovidny (talk) 18:34, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Middleweight Championship (Best of the Rest)
Inspired by the need for a very small tournament between now and February 18th, this idea is basically pulling together a bunch of middleweights, for a Championship, the only proviso, Typhoon won't be allowed in, so we can deduce the best of the rest. Datovidny (talk) 18:34, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Discussions
Let's vote! Matt Talk to me  19:47, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Poll
Before I reopen polling, I would like to seriously moot the idea of running RA2's Ragnabot idea. I think that the Arena is now sufficiently well used to allow this to be a success, and also would be a good way to celebrate 5 years of the wiki. If people would rather we run other ideas alongside, I'm fine with that. Thoughts? Matt Talk to me  18:14, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * The idea is plausible, though as it basically works like a bigger version of A Fantasy Audited War, I think we should wait a while before running it. Toast  Ultimatum  20:10, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly, and if you still want it as a fitting 5th year anniversary thing, maybe come up with another mini-tournament before mid-February, assuming the German Series 2 doesn't last a whole month. Datovidny (talk) 18:16, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * So the idea you suggest is German Series, another small competition, then Ragnabot? Matt Robot Wars.jpg Talk to me  18:20, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I can't believe my idea got some traction.  I'm really glad you're interested in doing that for an anniversary event since I've got way too much work to host a Wiki Wars this year.  I'd say let's wait for Toast to upload those Extreme Warriors episodes so that we can include those bots.  I made a list a while back of all the bots that there's enough evidence about to take part, every robot that had its own page and whose prowess I could somewhat remeber, was included, and I subjectively picked the best version of each.  Otherwise Vengeance Challenge Belt is the best on the table. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 19:37, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe you've emailed me before, so if you'd email me that spreadsheet, I can at least get the heat system ready. Matt Robot Wars.jpg Talk to me  20:47, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * In answer to your previous comment, yes, but another thing, I'd like to think that each "round" of Ragnabot is open and then closed fairly briskly, the last thing a competition this big can afford to do is drag, because then less people will vote on each battle. Datovidny (talk) 22:02, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * During the Fantasy Audited War, we got upwards of ten votes in a single day, so I'd like to think this shouldn't be a problem. Matt Robot Wars.jpg Talk to me  22:32, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ok matt, do you want the Extreme Warriors competitors in or out? I had them in because I was doing it myself but I know there's the issue for most of our users of never having seen them. '''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 01:00, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems slightly odd to omit them, so I say in. Also, would you mind if I request Snowdog's list to see where you differ? Matt Robot Wars.jpg Talk to me  16:36, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * You could if I could remember your email address. snowdog  140  16:42, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * matthew@gutteridgeweb.co.uk . Looking forward to hearing from you. Matt Robot Wars.jpg Talk to me  17:00, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Matt that it would be strange to omit them if we're including Dutch and German robots, though I think that votes should make an effort to be spoiler-free. Even if I do receive the episodes of Extreme Warriors I'm expecting before the tournament starts, we'll still be missing the first four heats of Season 2, so no matter which happens first, we are going to run into robots many of us are unfamiliar with. Toast Ultimatum  17:09, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and sent the list. For anyone curious, there were 584 competitors including the Extreme Warriors bots.  So it's not a power of 2, 72 robots will get bye's, but that's not bad considering how far off from exactly 512 it could have been. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 18:08, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Might need to send that again, there was no attachment! Matt Robot Wars.jpg Talk to me  18:10, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * So how to decide which 72 get axed? Datovidny (talk) 19:35, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * No one's getting axed, they just get first round byes. This is supposed to be unstructured; no seedings, no preferences, no attempts to keep the good robots far apart. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 20:11, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well the plot thickens a little bit. I checked RA2's list against my own, and I found I had a few that he didn't. These break down into several small categories, I'd appreciate RA2's input as to his reasoning.

Same team, different robot

 * Anarchy
 * Facet
 * Hippobotamus
 * Miss Struts
 * Spirit of Scorpion
 * Thing 2
 * Velocirippa

Side competitions

 * Malfunktion
 * The General
 * Spectre
 * Gnasher

Exhibition only

 * Ramrombit

Robots I think were omitted by mistake

 * Aggrobot
 * Brute
 * Crusader (and 2)
 * Dominator (and 2)
 * Flippa
 * I Bot One Beta
 * Judge Shred
 * Terminal Ferocity
 * Mammoth
 * Stomp

Additionally, you included Daisy and Mauler (who never fought) and Ripper's Revenge and Grinder (who were middleweights). Input appreciated.

I feel that, as it is such a big task, that we get this right, so I would also like to open up anyone suggestions of sequentially named machines that were different enough to warrant two entries. Choas and Dominator spring to mind, I'd appreciate any other suggestions. Matt Talk to me  20:15, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do think we know enough about Mauler to include it, it was in A Fantasy Audited War, after all. Daisy, probably not. I expect we'll have Ming 3 and the non-sequential Ming Dienasty, though Ming 2 is plausible as well. Toast  Ultimatum  20:32, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Considering Ming 3 was Ming 2 modified, I'd say no to Ming 2, but what about Thermador and Thermidor 2? Datovidny (talk) 20:46, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Those were just careless errors on my part. Mauler has a couple of fights with that incarnation up on Youtube, so I think we can go ahead and include it. I'm going to say no to having both Thermidor's, not enough difference and probably the same base.  R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 23:25, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Right, after much consideration, I have drafted the following list of sequentially named robots which I think warrant two entries

Chaos / Chaos 2 Dominator / Dominator 2 Iron Awe 1 / Iron Awe 2.1 Ming / Ming 3 / Ming Dienasty Suicidal Tendencies Series 4 / Series 5 Wild Thing / Wild Thing 2 X-Terminator 2 / X-Terminator 3

This would bring the total up to 612 machines, so I propose that we have an extra, randomly drawn qualifying round, containing 200 robots, to get the number down to the nice, manageable 512. Matt Talk to me  17:15, January 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. If we do end up cutting any Extreme Warriors bots for lack of info, I think it'd be fun if we somehow noted that those teams got to drive the loanerbots.  Silly I know, but it's what I was doing in my version. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 20:15, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you did, but just to make sure, do we have loanerbots like Dynamite? I'll also point out that I'm quite looking forward to seeing how well Anvil does in this tournament, I should have put it in A Fantasy Audited War. Toast  Ultimatum  21:11, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is, to my knowledge, each individual heavyweight machine is competing. Matt Robot Wars.jpg Talk to me  21:50, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * If we're following Datovidny's suggestion of a small tournament inbetween German Series 2 and this, I don't imagine the Featherweight Championship would take long, and that's the one I was wanting to do next anyway, so my vote goes to that. Toast  Ultimatum  18:49, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll go with the Featherweight Championship if it can be dealt with quickly, but I'm unsure if we can get through it before February 18th without having a bunch of melees, which I know most people don't like, so it may be a better idea to just wait for February 18th. Datovidny (talk) 18:26, January 25, 2013 (UTC)