Forum:Discussion/Archive 1

This is the official discussion page for the Arena. If you have an idea for a competition, please create a level three subheading, and provide a basic outline of your idea, under the section titles 'Competition Ideas'. If you want to discuss a topic besides this, changes to policy etc, please do so under the 'Discussion' heading.

After the current Arena competition has finished, voting will be opened to decide which of the submitted competition ideas will be used for the next competition. All competitions will be held by the Arena host (currently Obi-Have) unless another user is given special permission to do so. Users are not permitted to create their own Arena competitions without prior approval from the Arena host.

Ultimate All-Stars
My idea is a large competition to find out the best robot of all time. This competition would include a main competition, as well as several side competitions, the logistics of which I haven't really worked out yet, so we'll focus on the main competition of a while. The competition would include all British semi-finalists (grand finalists in the case of Series 1), with the exception of Cunning Plan and TRACIE for obvious reasons, as well as every Dutch, American and German series, bringing the grand total to 85 competitors, to be subsidised by 11 wildcards, to bring the list to 96 robots, which would be randomly assigned, with the exception of the Grand Champions which will be assigned to 10 heats so that they might only meet at the semi-final stage. 58 + 11 + 12 + 4 = 85 + 11 wildcards = 96 competitors The series will be structured like the Series 5 competition. I don't think I have anything else to say, so please feel free to post your opinions in the comments section. Matt (Talk) 16:16, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
Like it, but if we exclude Cunning Plan we have to exclude TRACIE too.  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  18:33, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, modified. Matt (Talk) 18:48, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I like the general idea.....but I'm not entirely sure about the idea of having two robots within the same team competing....I mean, yes, it's only a few, but still. We'd either have to remove them or do a Series 7 and make sure they absolutely wouldn't be able to meet until the last battle. CrashBash 18:53, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Another good point. If we decide to go with this idea, we'll work out the logistics when we work out the wildcards. Matt (Talk) 19:30, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I believe something similar has already been done, but with the veterans 'All-Stars' style instead of the proper All-Stars. The Samster 15:45, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

What if we did a tournament with robots that truly stood out in their respective series, or future powerful robots from the series they debuted in? Example Series 1: Roadblock, T.R.A.C.I.E, Mortis, Killertron Series 2: Panic Attack, Behemoth, Razer, Cassius Series 3: Chaos 2, Steg-O-Saw-Us, Firestorm, Hypno-Disc and so on BizarroKing 15:32, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Evolutionary Robot Wars Audited
This is very complicated tournament that will probably need to be ran concurrently with another tournament if it goes ahead and I'm not sure how some of the problems in this could be solved, but here goes: We run through Series 1 as normal, but the results will affect in Series 2 and the results of that will affect Series 3 and so on. A major problem with this is hindsight. We know that the incident with More Panda Monium will happen thus will make sure that they all must have failsafes to stop that and thus Garrod's protest will never happen and thus Cassius will remain in Robot Wars. We also know not to show spoilers and not to allow Tornado's anti-crusher frame and all the other things that caused Robot Wars' decline thus making it go on and on until we get bored and put all these thing into Robot Wars: The Fifteenth Wars. My solution to this is using a program to randomly choose a number between 1 and 4. This number is multiplied by a number between 1 and 3, depending on how obvious the consequences were. The same program will be used again, but will choose numbers between 1 and 12. If it gives us a number higher than the answer to the above sum, the rule change will not be carried. If it is equal or lower than the answer, the rule change will be carried. For decisions where there is a half-way decision between what happened and what we are suggesting, if the number between 1 and 12 is between the random number multiplied by the the chosen number and the random number multiplied by the chosen number plus 1 then that half-way decision will be carried. If there was no consequences to the rule you are trying to change, the decision will be made by a simple vote. Another problem will be how to decide how the robots evolve. I am currently unsure about how we can get a fair decision. I'm sorry if you are confused.

The Samster 15:45, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
You're damn right its complicated! I don't really think this is feasible, as to be honest it is just too complicated, as well as that it would involve redoing series 3 and 4, which we've already done, and it would be splitting hairs to do them again. Matt (Talk) 15:59, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * With Series 3 and 4 though, there would be a lot of opportunity for thing to've changed, so they may've turned out differently. If Cassius had fallen in Round 1, the flipper boom may never've happened and the srimech would only be invented later. The Samster 14:04, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Too complicated for many of us to understand unfortunately.-- STORM  II   21:01, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Extreme Championships
This was a little idea I had today....what if we had a "Championship" for both of the Extreme series, featuring robots that competed in those series? CrashBash 17:58, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I.E. A competition for the robot's that only fought in Extreme? That sounds like a good idea, I was thinking of suggesting that until I saw you had posted it. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 19:40, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * When I posted my Audited Extreme Championship near the bottom, I didn't know this was here. Drop ZOne, look below for the Audited Extreme Championship section, there is already a lengthy discussion below it. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 19:59, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Extreme Series 3
This idea stems from a comment that somebody made at the end of Wikia Series 8 (sorry, I forget whose it was), and I think that it might be quite interesting. The problem we have is that we did quite a few side events after Series 8, many of which would normally be seen in Extreme. I don't think it would be a terrible idea to have another Tag Team or Annihilator, but I would only invite back the winners and make the other competitors completely different. We could also do another Challenge Belt, All-Stars and a second European Championship, something which CrashBash suggested a while back.

Of course we would need to think of a few more tournaments we could run, mainly themed events like the ones in Extreme 2, and I don't have any good ideas at the moment. So basically this idea would need a lot of planning and ideas, but I think we could probably come up with something fun and interesting. Christophee (talk) 15:07, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
I was planning of doing one in my blog after I finish Series 9 RWfan 23:37, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

County Championships
This is quite a long and complicated tournament where each English county is represented by a tag-team of two machines from that county. Some counties won't be able to compete if they only have one robot. To decide which robots represent the county, each team enters one machine for the county qualifiers before the actual tournament.

i.e. The Lincolnshire Qualifiers could be structured like this:

Stinger vs Infernal Contraption vs Humphrey

Cyrax vs Hammer & Tong vs RT81 vs Trax

Some counties would have to have a certain pair, Hereford would have to have X-Terminator and ICU, and the East Riding would have to have General Carnage 2 and Warhog. Then, the tag-teams representing each county shall face off to decide the ultimate champions. This will take quite a while so I recommend it being run at the same time as some other competitions.--Shayfan 16:55, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like this idea, but we've done your heat finalist idea, so I removed it. Matt (Talk) 17:04, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a pretty late response, but I like this idea. However, if there were no excluded robots, then Suffolk would have a pretty much unbeatable team in Chaos 2 and Storm 2. Christophee (talk) 16:52, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know, Oxfordshire have Terrorhurtz and Hypno-Disc... Like this idea though, even if it might seem a foregone conclusion who's in the final. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:08, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh what a shame (Oxfordshire resident) J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 22:07, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah... I don't think my county would win, but they (Hampshire) could spring a surprise, some combination of Wild Thing, M2, King Buxton... Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:14, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

The Series 1 Retribution Tournament
A while ago, I heard that someone had written a comment stating "The worst robots of the later series could have won the first series". If you remember my "Top 10 robots with the worst things said about them" list, you may remember that I disagree with this completely. So this idea came to me. What if we took some of these "worst robots of the later series", put them against some Series 1 robots and see if they really COULD win? Now, understandably, there'd have to be a lot of figuring out which robots should realistically compete, because we don't want to absolutely make it one sided. Of course, it'd be set very much like Series 1 was, because that's what we're trying to prove or disprove. CrashBash (talk) 18:23, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like this idea very much. Well done, CrashBash, for thinking it up.-- STORM  II   19:49, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, I say this should be the next tournament we have. Datovidny (talk) 16:49, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've honestly never heard anyone make that claim. Are we excluding the really good ones from the Series 1 side?  Mortis, Recyclopse, and Roadblock would make for a rather obvious conclusion. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 00:38, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

A New Series 3
Had this idea earlier, but what if Series 3 had kept the Gauntlet and Trial stages? Would Chaos 2 still have won? Here's the idea... 16 heats of 8 robots as before, but in order to make it work two robots will fall at each stage. One seeded robot (which will be pre-decided) will appear in each heat for sake of fairness. I think this would work because unlike our Audited series this would require much more of a well rounded robot, instead of the two best fighters getting through. Snowdog140 22:06, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * Eh, I personally think it's too hard to predict the outcome of a Gauntlet or Trial, so I'd pass on that. Toast  Ultimatum  19:10, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Tag Team Terror
How about a tag team terror where the teams have a theme (like Clawed Hopper with Black Widow as Team Insect Walkers or Kan-Opener and Crustacean as Team Crab) or a team is made up of two robots from one team (like Team Vader, Mouse, Ming and Torque).  Mad looney 6 15:18, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * Interesting thought, but the first one, I think most of the teams wouldn't really stand much of a chance at all, and there won't be much thinking involved in the votes. As for the second one, that has more integrity about the idea, but I think the number of teams taking part would be minimal, unless you intend to have teams like Pussycat and Bodyhammer, which to be honest wouldn't work for me, since the robots would be too different in terms of capability for the tournament to be a close one. Datovidny (talk) 16:24, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I put some ideas for teams in my Sandbox, just have a look please.  Mad looney 6 15:46, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * So is this a bad tournament idea?  Mad looney 6 10:58, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly? No, not ay all, but I agree with David's comments that some match ups may not be suited to each other. Maybe a suitable alternative to that would be to vote on potential match ups, much as we do with Audited series and their bin candidates. But on the whole I think a Tag Team Terror is a fantastic idea, if done properly. snowdog  140  14:20, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Are some of the match-ups in my sandbox any good?  Mad looney 6 14:28, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I like the look of Team Wales, Team RCC, Team Cat would work quite well too. We can judge on Team Mouse and Teal Rivalry because they existed, but on the whole I think you made some pretty decent teams there. snowdog  140  16:07, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see a different way to do a tag team terror. To combine it with a sweepstake, each user willing to get involved picks two robots to be in their team. A little tournament could start with random draws whittling down until a victor is declared. Stuff like, the users cannot vote in a battle their team is participating in could be implemented as well as rules like each team must have one robot who never escaped the heats in ANY domestic championship e.g. Typhoon 2 and DisConstructor, Mazakari and Nemesis would both be acceptable teams but Dantomkia and 13 Black, Steg 2 and Tsunami would be not allowed. What do others think? Jimlaad43 (talk) 14:28, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I really like that idea. Adds a competitive element to the tournament, like the sweepstake, and I for one would really like to do a Tag Team Terror tournament, and this seems like a really good way of doing it. Plus, you'd get some really interesting teams and battles developing. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:33, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I reckon, if we get a few more positive comments, I will try to start it. If we need/want more teams, it could be opened to all/some members to create a second or maybe even third team. Jimlaad43 (talk) 14:43, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, Jimlaad, you're not really supposed to start a tournament yourself. It's sort of an unwritten rule that we only do one tournament at a time hosted by Matt, and everyone gets to vote on which tournament will take place next. Christophee (talk) 16:05, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. Give me some slack, I have just got arena privileges. Still, Its an idea for when Ragnabot finishes. Jimlaad43 (talk) 16:18, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am aware that you are new, which is why I was letting you know how it works. Please don't think I was criticising you. Christophee (talk) 12:58, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I knew you weren't. But, how am I supposed to know it if it is unwritten! Jimlaad43 (talk) 13:18, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * That is a good point. Maybe I should make a note at the top of this page so that people who are new to the Arena can see how it works. Christophee (talk) 15:12, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be blunt; you will not get my support for Tag Teams. They don't make for a fun debate, because there are so many variables that practically anything can happen.  Plus a lot of them come down to the singularly best robot winning every match. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 18:27, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Colour Wars
This is a request I get a lot on Youtube, but have always been too busy to undertake. Similar to War of The Weapons, each colour has a separate heat to get the representative. Off the top of my head I'm thinking red, yellow, green, blue, pink, black, white, and silver are the most common colours. We could have anything from 16 to 96 robots competing depending on our ambitiousness. I don't have all the finer points worked out, but I think it would make for an interesting competition. '''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 15:14, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I think a lot of robots would be tricky to judge, I mean, what colour would you say Behemoth is? Datovidny (talk) 16:17, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I think this is another fine idea, we're certainly not short of options anymore. And, @Datovidny, there'd be enough fully yellow robots anyway, but for situations like that, we would have a page like Bin Candidates, where we can choose who goes in what. Monocolour robots aren't that uncommon (e.g. Mute, Hydra) Toast  Ultimatum  15:21, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, don't mind me. Datovidny (talk) 16:24, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh hey, that was my request from a while back actually. I'd love to see it in action :D Badnik96 00:11, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Unsung Heroes
A tournament for robots (or versions of robots) that only fought in Extreme and Side Competitions but to make up the numbers, I would also include robots that never got past the gauntlet or trial rounds. --Rescuers1&amp;2rthebest 13:56, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Sounds like a blend of the Legends Special and the Redemption Championship that we've had, could be quite interesting. Datovidny (talk) 14:59, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well, this mainly harks back to a fantasy tournament I suggested on Facebook once. Like I say, only robots (or particular versions of robots) that only fought in Extreme, Side-Competitions, the Gauntlet or the Trial rounds would be eligible to compete. --Rescuers1&amp;2rthebest 15:37, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Lovable Losers

 * Somewhat similar to the "Unsung Heroes" and "Fantasy Wars" previously suggested; This tournament would basically consist of robots that have never won a single battle, or robots from the first two wars and fell in the gauntlet or trials and thus never competed in a battle. We could also include robots with very poor win/loss records (Sumpthing) as well, but that's if you wanna do it; this was just a random idea that was bouncing around in my head just now.--BizarroKing (talk) 21:03, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * We did try that once, and it almost killed the arena forums. The problem is that all the outcomes are decided by conjecture.  Also, it was rapidly becoming clear that we were headed for an all-flipper finale, and I can't have been the only person who was jaded by that. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 22:32, August 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Besides giving Pinser a chance to win, I imagine this being a bit bland, featuring mostly lacklustre robots. Toast  Ultimatum  13:16, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * As RA2 says, this is like the Redemption Championship, which nobody really enjoyed at all. This is one of those things where it would feature about 5 or 6 interesting robots, but the rest of the line-up wouldn't really encourage voting from anyone. Datovidny (talk) 17:59, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Mayhem and Annihilators
Another idea that was bouncing around in my brain just now. Mostly basing this idea on Extreme 1, I was thinking we could have a series of Mayhem battles with various themes and the six winners of each three way battle would all face off in a Annihilator to crown one undisputed champion. Could be a good idea for any one-shot battles that aren't large enough for it's own tourney, and I could think of a few, or we could all vote on a theme. BizarroKing (talk) 02:09, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Mortis fan club (competitors all have the same axe/lifter combo): Hydra vs Comgetorix vs Hydrotech
 * It's not a bad idea really, the trouble is most people on here don't really like having melees, you'll have to battle them about it. Are there any restrictions as to who can enter or can any robot be put forward. Datovidny (talk) 16:12, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, no real restrictions that I can think of. Basically here were a few example battles I thought of

For the love of Matilda (they all had a 'crush on Matilda'): Hellbent vs Hassocks Hog 2 vs Killerkat

Any 6 Mayhem battles which leads up to a big Annihilator battle is what I was thinking.BizarroKing (talk) 21:18, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * A nice idea, but we have had problems in the past trying to figure out who would go through in battles with four robots...six might be a problem. CrashBash (talk) 17:36, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Vengeance Challenge Belt
Occasionally, if I can't think of anything really unique, I often just merge two events together and see where that takes me. As it happens, this is one of them. The Vengeance Challenge Belt works exactly like the Challenge Belt, but every battle is pretty much a grudge match between the two competitors. Obviously, it doesn't have to be robots that have fought each other...it could be something completely trivial (lets face it, a lot of the vengeance battles in Extreme 1 and NRW were trivial grudges). But the point being there has to be at least a sprinkling of a reason for the two to fight. Now, obviously, it'd be a bit pointless for this to just go on and on, so what I suggest is that after any one robot has won three challenges, they go through to a final...then after we have, say, four belt-holders, we work it like a typical Robot Wars final to see who is the ultimate challenger. Now, I understand it could very well get complicated, as we'd need to decide which robot should challenge the current belt holder and why after each battle, but we won't know until we try, right? CrashBash (talk) 17:34, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * It only needs to be as complicated as we want it to be. We can very simply have a seperate forum page for the competition, alongside the page(s) with the battle tables on them, but we have seperate headings for each robot that is the current holder, and users an just forward suggestions for opponents, if the majority agree, then they can be lined up to fight, and so on. Datovidny (talk) 19:56, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not the most keen, if the voters are choosing, people are going to choose robots that would make a close match for the belt holder, and then the tournament would never end as no robot would ever win three times in a row, until something uber comes along. It's good in principle, but it has that aforementioned flaw, and another. Either the opponents would be chosen by Matt, which wouldn't offer much voter input, or we'd have to choose them all before each battle, which would be slow and boring. Apologies, but this isn't my choice. Toast  Ultimatum  22:27, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's OK, I will admit it wasn't my best idea, but I wanted to express it anyway. CrashBash (talk) 06:08, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Toast's concren is a possibility, but this is my favourite idea on the table (apart from my own, but that's hardly objective,) which is why I'd be up for trying it out and seeing what happens. It's a nice change of format.  The one thing I ask is that we decide each challenger democratically.  I've been rather vocal about my disdain for picking bots randomly for awards, competitor lists, etc.  R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 14:57, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Redone Extreme Warriors Season 1
The first US championship was supposed to be 4 proper heats (each in the style of Series 4) insted of four 6-way melees. My idea is to play out the first season if they kept to that format. The groupings of 6 remain the same, and they're randomly divided into two 3-way eliminators. It'll be very brief, and interesting to see if we get the msame four finalists and if Panzer still wins. All the robots fight in their Season 1 forms. Some of Season 1 championship is on youtube, albeit not high quality. Coffin Bot and Tiger Cat stay in - I see no reason that the Clown and Skullmania wouldn't still be broken.'''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 15:51, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * An original idea to say the least, but I can see two drawbacks. 1) Some users don't really like dealing with melees. 2) Some users may not have enough knowledge on the competing robots to make much of a reasoned argument. Datovidny (talk) 15:59, November 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I very much like the idea. My one reservation was that not everyone will have seen the episode and I wasn't sure whether it was still on YouTube, but if it is then I see no reason not to try it. Christophee (talk) 16:00, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be willing to give it a go. I wouldn't have so much of a problem with remembering the robots, but then, I do tend to remember these sorts of things a bit too well. As another question, what would we do concerning Skullmania, Conquering Clown, Coffin-Bot and Tiger Cat? CrashBash (talk) 16:25, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that answers my question...it's still something I've been curious about for a while...but if I'm the only one who remembers it well enough, then I don't want to spoil all the fun. CrashBash (talk) 22:20, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * A good idea it is, though regarding the battles being on YouTube, I've only seen the three of Panzer Mk. 2 and The Revolutionist's battles. Manta and... erm... the other one, I have not seen their first-round melees, nor can I find them. If you can find them, please link me there. Toast  Ultimatum  18:16, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ach, it seems I was wrong, that there are only two of the melees and two of the final battles available. I don't know, I don't want to give up on it. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 21:32, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw the battles when they were originally up, but I don't remember enough about them to take part in a fantasy tournament. I imagine a lot of other users are probably in the same boat. Christophee (talk) 22:03, November 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know Ragnabot still has a long way to go, but with the recent re-uploadings of the battles of the 1st US championship, I'm all for re-supporting trying this particular tournament out. CrashBash (talk) 20:52, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's definitely more possible now, though there are still robots we barely saw in action. Still, it wouldn't take very long, so I suppose I'd be fine with it. Toast  Ultimatum  21:53, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Back to the Warzone
A random little idea that came to me for a new tournament, after looking through the category "Robots that are Still Competing Today". It's an interesting list of robots, and not really one where an obvious winner is present. So I was thinking, maybe we could have a small tournament based upon that very list, where robots that are still in action as of when the list was last updated take part, appearing as they did when we last saw them on the show itself. We could hold it in a similar style to the New Blood competition from Extreme 2 with 24 robots...or if we're feeling adventurous, have it like the first Dutch series with 30 robots. But we can discuss that when we come to it. CrashBash (talk) 23:26, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * If we're only having heavyweights, the number of them in the category is 36, which is just the most perfect number isn't it? Datovidny (talk) 19:36, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, although one of those robots is Storm 2...CrashBash (talk) 20:05, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've got two answers to that: 1) it's now 37, 2) I'm pretty sure robots like Behemoth could take down Storm 2. Datovidny (talk) 20:08, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Are they in their present forms or their Robot Wars forms? R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk ) 21:05, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * As I stated, they are as we last saw them in Robot Wars. It's purely for ease if nothing else. CrashBash (talk) 21:13, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do agree that Storm 2 would have an unfair advantage, and that we should do whatever we need to not have it. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk ) 22:00, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm in on this. I'm also in on getting rid of Storm 2.--Rammingspeed (talk) 20:50, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Robots from console games
Since we're getting to the end of the Fantasy Audited war, I was thinking of a tournament idea. How about a smaller tournament, with at most 12 heats, and probably at least 8 or 4. So everyone would nominate probably about 20 or so robots with around half being the fictional robots in the console games(Extreme Destruction(PC/Xbox)and Arenas of Destruction) that have pages with pictures on the wiki. If the robot is in two games, then please specify which, e.g. Major Damage AoD. Of course the rule about the real robots would be no obvious winners, e.g. Razer, series 5 onwards Tornado, Firestorm, Storm 2. And the robots aren't in their video game forms (otherwise Pussycat would be laughable). And I know most of them in Arenas of Destruction don't have srimechs, but quite a few do in Extreme Destruction. And some that don't have incredible pushing power, Tractor and Plough King for example. I know flywheels don't work so well in game, but these robots can have at least some power. Xmas Destruction, Double O and Spanners probably won't be causing Hypno-Disc style damage, but won't be completely obsolete like Mayhem. And besides, some of the better robots in the game can take on the TV series robots, like Major Damage, or Corbinator. The format would probably be 3 way melees for 12 or 8 heats, where you would vote out the loser, like the war of the weapons. And if it was four heats, there would be eight robots. The easy way to do 4 heats is the series 5 format, but there is a way that you could do four way melees. I'd say with that would be that everyone votes for one robot they think would be eliminated, and the two that get the most votes will go, I think theres probably about 9 or 10 active arena users at the moment, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem, please leave comments and tell me what you think RelicRaider (talk) 10:12, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Sorry, but I have to think that the fictional robots will just get creamed, and then it'll just turn into Ultimate All-Stars, with robots like Razer and Firestorm earning boring victories left and right. Toast  Ultimatum  15:20, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah maybe, but Razer and Firestorm wouldn't be competing, along with some of the always boring winners, that do well in ever tournament they're in. RelicRaider (talk) 17:13, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Audited Series 4 (Volume 2)
The wiki's already had a Redone Series 4, but it was done way back in 2009/2010 with only a few users, before we started using the new voting format and had gathered new information on other robots that failed to qualify. Also, there's a whole new breed of users these days, pardon the expression, but there are a lot more users who can input their ideas, maybe Chaos 2 won't win this time around... Datovidny (talk) 18:34, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Not to mention the fact the old tournament was done with the older format. I'd support doing this, but not for a while, considering we just did A Fantasy Audited War, and I see Audited Series 7 garnering more support and happening beforehand. Toast  Ultimatum  18:42, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope we can do Audited Series 7 before too long, I've been waiting and looking forward to it for a very long time now. Datovidny (talk) 11:44, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be up for this.--Rammingspeed (talk) 12:07, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd like to possibly do this idea if we were to set it up like series 5, with 4 ways eliminators spanning 12 heats as opposed to the 2 3 way melees set up over 16 heats simply because it'd be something different from the previous audited series. That is IF we were to do this idea, and I hope we do. BizarroKing (talk) 05:06, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm all for BizzaroKing's idea. CrashBash (talk) 08:04, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * This would also be good a it would reduce the amount of needless seeds, but we're through Audited 7 at the moment, and it looks like Audited 6 is soon, so we'll see how far away this is, but it would be good to see this done at some point in the near future. Datovidny (talk) 13:09, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Middleweight Championship (Best of the Rest)
Inspired by the need for a very small tournament between now and February 18th, this idea is basically pulling together a bunch of middleweights, for a Championship, the only proviso, Typhoon won't be allowed in, so we can deduce the best of the rest. Datovidny (talk) 18:34, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Hmm, the remaining middleweights were somewhat lacklustre, and the featherweights were a lot more interesting. I think I'd rather just get on with Ragnabot than put this inbetween. Toast  Ultimatum  18:44, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Dutch Series 3
As we did a German Series 2 tournament, I thought it might be good to do a Dutch Series 3. The robots would be a combination of Dutch Series 2 competitors, the best robots from Dutch Series 1 that didn't return, and Dutch/Belgian competitors from UK Series 7. The only real problem I can think of is that some teams' Series 7 entries failed to qualify, and we may not know enough about them to include them in the tournament (e.g. Deep Impact, Caesar etc.), but we could always enter their previous robots if we have to. I know I don't tend to take part in the Arena any more, but I would take part in this tournament if it was chosen. Christophee (talk) 10:35, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Comments
I'm always up for an international series or two. CrashBash (talk) 11:00, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Overseas Only Series
One idea I thought would be good was a competition made up only of international robots, no robots from the British Isles to compete, just cause it always seems to be British robots that win everything. Take them out of the equation, who's best? Obviously take all UK robots out, maybe leave in Irish ones though as potential picks, robots from all other countries allowed. Users nominate whoever they like, seeing as we don't really have the standard UK wars restrictions. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:51, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Well, even then, we'd need to make sure certain robots (like Drillzilla and Tsunami) were kept out of the equation. Probably worth a try, if anyone can remember the international competitors well enough. CrashBash (talk) 17:54, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems such a simple idea that we should have done it by now, but I don't remember doing anything similar. I quite like it. Christophee (talk) 18:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't especially match my tastes, mainly because it involves American robots, which I am not familiar with. I have trouble fighting for or against Americans in Ragnabot, and half the robots in this competition could end up coming from there. Also, if Tsunami is bannable, then so is Gravity, and then the crop of robots is getting weaker and weaker. Tsunami has come very close to losses against robots such as Spawn Again and Bulldog Breed on the wiki, surely some foreign robots could manage it. Toast  Ultimatum  18:36, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

House Robot Rebellion
You know what I'm like. I'm always on the lookout for new and different tournaments to try. So then I remembered we have never really given the House Robots any more than a fleeting mention (which I suppose isn't too much of a surprise, all things considering). So then I thought, why not do something about that?

My proposal is simple. We get a bunch of robots together (32, for example) and we put them into a series of heats (four would be the best bet). The robots then fight each other for a place in the Grand Final...but instead of fighting each other, they fight the House Robots.

Which house robots? Well, we could always assign each competitor a house robot beforehand, one that has "connections" with it, maybe with the competitor wanting revenge (I.E. Ming on Matilda, for interfering in Series 5), the house robot wanting revenge (I.E. Kat 3 on Cassius Chrome, after the latter was immobilsed) or even both wanting a crack at each other (I.E. Panic Attack on Shunt, for obvious reasons). CrashBash (talk) 21:24, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like the idea, it'll be fun to see who qualifies to fight the House Robots. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:59, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Or we could just shove the house robots into Ragnabot 2. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 20:43, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Middle ability bots
Ok, apart from the dreadful title, (I really couldn't think of anything else) I think this could work out. So basically before, we've had the ultimate all stars for the tops, and the redemption for the bottom robots, what about the ones inbetween? I think if I set a kind of cut off which basically selects from at the very least one time heat finalists, and at the very most either multiple semi finalists or one time semi finalists (I'll see which comes close to a feasible tournament number). I think it could work, because boring victories like Storm II, Firestorm and Razer are omitted, although Tsunami will probably end up competing. (Unless it got put in bin candidates list to make it less one sided. I think this could work maybe. RelicRaider (talk) 12:31, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Redoing the Old
Based on an idea I had back on the old Robot Wars facebook page, something I felt could be translated here. Basically, we take one of the old series of Robot Wars and redo it, but with the robots as they appeared in the newer series. So, for example, if we took the line-up of Series 2's Heat A...what started as this...


 * Caliban
 * Demolition Demon
 * Napalm
 * Panda Monium
 * Piece De Resistance
 * Victor

...becomes this...


 * Daisy Chopper
 * Demolition Demon 2
 * Napalm 2
 * Hot Pants (didn't consider Thunderpants since we saw nothing of it)
 * Metalis
 * The Kraken

Basically, the heat plays exactly the same, same line-up, same gimmicks...just with updated robots.

If there is going to be a problem with this, it'll be picking a suitable series. I know from the Alternate Heat Winners tournament that voting in the Gauntlet/Trials wasn't entirely fun, but I seriously think Series 2 would be the best bet - S1 had so many lower-weight robots it would hardly be fair and S3 had many robots that never fought after that, leaving the heats rather same-y. But if you like this idea, we can discuss it as and when.

Best in series
How about a championship with 12 heats following the series 5 format of 4 1-on-1 battles. Each heat is for a different main competition series containing the 8 robots that did the best in the championship (So those that made the grand final and the second semi-finals of the UK championships). There are seven UK championships, one German, two American and two Dutch. Where a robot has reached the same stage on more than one occasion, eg Firestorm, it would enter in its latest series in the top 8, so Series 6, if it finished in the place but lower than before in a alter series like Firestorm in series 7, it gives its place to the robot it defeated in the previous round. They use the version show in the series, so Panic Attack would be the Series 2 version. Where a team has reached the stage twice with robots with different pages on this wiki (Bodyhammer and Pussycat) they shall be treated as separate. Heats A-L J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 09:02, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Sounds interesting, but I don't think the wikia would take to doing a tournament that has a pre-done line-up, part of the reason I have never stated my idea of a UK version of Nickelodeon Robot Wars, which I have also made a pre-planned line-up for. If you like the idea that much, though, you could always make a little page linked to your own page and give your own thoughts as to who you think would win, like Toast has done. CrashBash (talk) 10:18, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was just to get a line-up. If people want to change it we could, but it was just to make sure I got my point across. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 11:13, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed the heat list, if the redemption championship is being finished after Ragnabot, this idea could be next, preceded by a vote for the robots from each series. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 06:37, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

People's Challenge
First of all, this needs to be stressed...this is NOT an idea for a tournament, but rather as an extra to be held, say, during any one heat of other tournaments, like during Series 3, 4 and 7 when they had bonus events. The premise is the same as the People's Challenge event that never went ahead for Extreme 1, where members of the wikia will post ideas for one-off battles between two (or more if they really want to) robots, and then the most popular choices can be held during the various heats of the next tournament as extras. The beauty of this is that any robot can potentially take part, with no obvious restrictions (for example, any RW champion could be involved...want Razer vs Black Hole? Go for it).

Lets say, for example, the next tournament was "Fantasy Audited War 2". In Heat A, the final is between Kat 3 and Scorpion. It is around about here we could have the first of the People's Challenges...say, Kan Opener vs Crushtacean. It's completely unrelated to the main tournament and it allows for additional discussion. CrashBash (talk) 18:14, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * So it's a bit like the Special event in Series 7. If we have the right users-heats amount, each user could pick one fight each for the different heats. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 18:40, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds fun, it'll be great to see fights that people want to see. Sam (BAZINGA) 18:41, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Ragnabot 2
If in the future, we decide to do a second series of Ragnabot, this is my proposal as to how it could happen. Firstly, seeds should be assigned depending on the results of Ragnabot 1, thusly. I have done a 1-64, which would put 4 seeds in a heat, but it could easily be cut down to 32 or even 16.

1. Razer

2. Tornado

3. Terrorhurtz

4. Bigger Brother

5. Firestorm 5

6. Atomic

7. Chaos 2

8. Hydra

9. Tricerabot 3.0

10. Hypno-Disc

11. Panzer Mk 4

12. frenZy

13. X-Terminator 3

14. Gravity

15. Bulldog Breed

16. Dominator 2

17. Centurion

18. Stinger

19. Panic Attack

20. Slicer

21. Thermidor 2

22. Big Nipper

23. Spawn Again

24. Cyclone 2 (Extreme Warriors)

25. Pussycat

26. Disc-O-Inferno

27. Destructive Criticism

28. Ripper

29. M2

30. Killerhurtz

31. Drillzilla

32. Leveler 2

33. Mortis

34. Weld-Dor 3

35. Raging Knightmare

36. Supernova

37. Tough As Nails

38. Rammstein

39. St. Agro

40. Mousetrap 2

41. Prizephita Mach 2

42. Eric

43. Kronic The Wedgehog

44. The Grim Reaper

45. IG-88

46. Tomahawk

47. Ming 2

48. Sir Force A Lot

49. All Torque

50. The Brute

51. PulverizeR

52. Hell's Teeth

53. Judge Shred 3

54. The Steel Avenger

55. Storm 2

56. Thor

57. Behemoth

58. Iron-Awe 2.1

59. Robochicken

60. Twister (Dutch)

61. X-Terminator 2

62. Steg 2

63. Pressure

64. Rocky-Bot-Boa

How the seeds will work: The top 16 follow the (What should have been) Series 4/7 format, of Heat A being 1st seed, Heat B being 3rd seed etc. The top 32 are arranged so each heat has a total of 33, so 1st fights 32nd, 2nd fights 31st etc. If 33-64 is chosen as well, then they start from the middle (Heat A has 40th and 55th seeds) and works out (Heat B has 41st and 54th...).

How the qualifiers work: If this is too hard to do, forget it, but if it is possible without too much faff, go ahead with it. All those that didn't qualify have to qualify again. They can either qualify in battles against other failed qualifiers or other robots. These other robots only consist of those that fell in Round 1 of the First Ragnabot. This means that all robots who made it to rounds 2 and onwards automatically qualify.

Sweepstake: All users who want to can pick ONE robot that fell in the heats of Ragnabot 1 at the start and accumulate points for it from the start. If it makes it through the heats to the Quarter-Finals, they automatically stay on your team and then the rest of the team is chosen around it.

We don't need to do Ragnabot 2 yet, in fact we could do with a break, but here is a framework for how it could be different following on from the Ragnabot we have already done. J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:18, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like this and it will probably happen in the future. Sam (BAZINGA) 16:21, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should do a Ragnabot 2 tournament. However, I don't want seeds. The tournament was designed with randomness in mind. I know that makes it exactly the same as the last tournament, but it's what I'd want. Toast  Ultimatum  18:31, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do think we should at least have a 1-16 seeding as it eliminates the chance of one of these going out in the qualifiers and stops them meeting in the heats. Even if we do the UK Series 2 thing and have 1-8 and only in half the heats. It at least separates them from each other until the semis. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 18:39, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why would you want to eliminate that chance though? Isn't the point of Ragnabot that it's all drawn randomly so all robots have an equal chance? Christophee (talk) 18:49, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * We could add all robots from all weight classes (including the antweights) and potentially the House Robots too (come on, It'd be a laugh) J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 20:57, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * House Robots is a good idea, not sure about introducing other weight classes, and especially not antweights. What would be the point, you'd end up with battles with one robot more than 650 times heavier and bigger than the other. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:10, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did it in my second Ragnabot and it was fun. some lower class robots like DTK and Typhoon could beat quite a few heavyweights. The antweights are just a little bit of ridiculous fun. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 07:47, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Audited Extreme Championship
The audited championships are fun and interesting. It came to me as an idea of doing a championship based on robots in the Extreme series. This means that all robots that competed in, say Extreme 2, the 99 heavyweight competitors get whittled down to 96 by vote (so we bin 3) and compete in a Series 5 style championship. We could even do seeds based on Series 6, Dutch Robot Wars and the German Championship (As robots like Black Hole and PulverizeR would be eligible), throwing up an interesting competition where foreign bits have a good chance of progressing. It would also work for Extreme 1, but with only 79 competitors, to be whittled down to 72 and heats formatted like Series 4 with seeds based on Series 4, Dutch 1 and Extreme Warriors 1. J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 20:56, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * They are fun and interesting, but the main problem comes from a handful of robots that are simply too good (Razer and Tornado come to mind). Include them, and it'll finish like Ragnabot did....for that tournament, it was a fitting end, but here it may risk being repetitive. CrashBash (talk) 21:01, September 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * They could be put in the bin candidates. Remember that Extreme 2 contained successful European robots and Storm 2 who could give them a run for their money. But, Razer and Tornado are in the Audited Wars anyway. It just gives robots like Black Hole and Piranha a way to compete against some of the best and worst of UK robots outside of Ragnabot. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 21:10, September 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd like to give this a try, specifically Extreme 2, since it offers a very diverse pool without much selection work. I'd recommend binning Razer, Tornado, Firestorm, and Storm 2, and just giving a random robot a first-round bye. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 01:54, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * That would work. It would give robots like Hypno-Disc, Dantomkia, Mute and Bulldog Breed a chance to do well. However, I have just done a recount for Extreme 2 and there were only 89 competitors, can't see where I went wrong. In which case, a whittling down to 78 robots for 12 heats of 6 robots in a Series 4 format would work. That way, we could bin off some of the really good robots that always win (Razer, Firestorm etc) and some of the really bad ones (RT81, Riptilion etc). J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 07:38, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * We could always simply remove the "All-Star" competitors (which are most likely to win anyway) and discuss what we have left. CrashBash (talk) 11:13, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at the Extreme 2 list again, the 4 robots RA2 listed are the few robots that seem to only struggle against each other, and are unbeatable otherwise (Razer, Firestorm, Tornado, Storm 2), so these should be binned. Even the other All-Stars (Terrorhurtz, Bigger Brother) are beatable by robots not in the all-stars. As for the rest, we could even do 7 random qualifiers, but I would prefer it if we binned the New Blood first round losers, of which there are 7 (keeping Terror Turtle as it entered a different tournament). J  im laa  d4   3 (talk)
 * I'd like to keep Storm II. The Extreme II version was a lot harder to control, and skidded all over the place, while lacking its moving weapon. Dropping the New Blood failures would take away the entire point of the tournament, so I wouldn't be opposed to using byes if necessary. Losing Firazernado would be nice, but I'm prepared to keep them if needs be. Another option would be to throw the middleweights into the mix, which I'd honestly quite enjoy. Toast  Ultimatum  21:57, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * That would take it up to 97 competitors, meaning 1 bin candidate. Either we put that one to the vote, or bring in the lightweights and remove Firazernado (Ignoring the paradoxical meeting of Typhoon Thunder and the Typhoon Twins). Could work. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 14:30, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Redemption Championship (Failed to Qualify edition)
Based on the Redemption Championship, how about a tournament between robots that failed to qualify for any wars? It would only include those we have a picture of, such as Scrap Dragon and More Panda Monium.Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 10:29, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * The problem with this is that because we haven't seen them, it is a struggle to assess how they fought. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 10:51, October 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand your concern, but I feel we can reasonably accurately predict thier strengths and weakenesses by having a picture, and knowing what their weapons where. For example, we know Scrap Dragon can self right because it has self righting wings, but has flat sides that would make it vulnerable to spinning disks. We know More Panda Monium cannot self right as it dosen't have a srimech, and it's top makes it vulnerable to axes. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 08:14, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I dunno. Because we haven't seen them, we don't know how powerful the weapons are, how strong the armour is and how reliable they are. Its a good idea, but it is just that bit too hard to implement. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 09:31, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hadn't thought about it that way, I see your point. Unless I get a lot of support, this probably won't happen. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 18:40, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Trials Only Championship
I've heard several people bemoan how many robots that would have been better suited to fighting were eliminated in the Gauntlet or Trials, such as Barry and Caliban. We could dedicate a tournament to these robots, including those who only appeared in the Series 3 Pinball or Football. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 10:29, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Loaner and stock robots
An idea for a small tournament, do a tournament with all the Loanerbots and Stock Robots.

Comments
Sounds like fun, how many fights will be lost of lose faith in them. I can picture Tut Tut or Hard winning. Sam (BAZINGA) 13:57, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * There's only 17 of them, we can chuck Ramrombit as it wasn't actually used for a proper battle and do a quick knockout tournament. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 14:06, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

The Classic Wars
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, but I'll put in my two cents, even though I'm British and we don't use that currency.

In a sense, you could divide Robot Wars into two "groups", seperated by the weight increase in Series 5/Extreme 1, from 80kg to 100kg. Aside from specific tournaments, we don't really get to do much with the "classic" era of Robot Wars. So I think we should do something about that.

Basically, my idea is for a tournament featuring robots that fought in the first four wars, as they appeared up to and including Series 4 (so, for example, Firestorm 2 would be as far as that line goes). Of course, there would be robots that we might have to "sit out", but I think it'll be significantly different from the current list. Firestorm, Razer and Tornado would probably be OK to include, IMO, because they still had some glaring weaknesses back then. Chaos 2, on the other hand, would probably have to sit out. But that's just my thoughts thus far. CrashBash (talk) 08:41, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Comments
The older robots aren't normally my cup of tea, but I'd be OK with giving them a try if everyone else wants to. However, I thoroughly do not want Razer in this tournament. Toast Ultimatum  14:39, December 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, we'll sort out the "too powerful" robots as, if and when this goes ahead. CrashBash (talk) 15:33, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Audited Series 6
A lot of people have displayed interest in an Audited Series 6 now, and while I think we should wait a while before doing it, I'd like to make some suggestions for it now. Specifically, the format. I don't think we should use the same format as Series 6, instead using one of these:


 * Add 32 more robots from Extreme 2 and the Failed to Qualify list, and borrow the format from Audited Series 7. I have done an Audited Series 6 with this format, and adding 32 robots was quite easy. I didn't even need to add the brokenly good robot (Storm II), the brokenly bad robot (Night Raider), or foreign ones like Rawbot, which may not have attempted to qualify. No robots from the real Series 6 are binned.
 * Borrow the format from the real Series 4, with two three-way melees per heat. Some users would like to have more melees, so this is probably the way to do it. I'm still opposed to having four-way melees. Unlike the format above, this gives the opportunity to bin robots, for those who want to do so. I don't see the point when we can just keep them as well as adding more, but I know some people like binning.
 * Add 32 more robots, borrowing a selection from Extreme 2, the Failed to Qualify list, the second series of Robot Wars: The Dutch Battles, and from Robot Wars: The German Struggles. Those who like binning robots will have the chance to do so, while still adding 32 robots from various places. This format assumes that the German and Dutch Battles haven't happened, so all robots will be in working order, and robots like PulverizeR will not be seeded.

These three formats also give the opportunity to add four new seeds. Toast Ultimatum  14:39, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Slight change of mind, I think I'm prepared to try out a tournament with four-way melees, and this is a good series to do it with. We can decide on melees later if we go ahead with the tournament. Toast Ultimatum  12:29, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Comments
I still really don't want to do an Audited Series 6, but if we have to, I very much like the second idea. CrashBash (talk) 15:48, December 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think we should to idea 3 next, but without Extreme 2, so add bots from S6, German, Dutch S2 and American S2. Bring in the Heat Finalists from Netherlands and USA (26) and the 4 heat winners in the German wars. We then choose maybe 14 (or so) UK robots to remove and fill the 16 spaces left over with failed to qualify/other bots from the other countries. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 00:12, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, but I'm not sure why you're bringing in exclusively heat finalists instead of heat winners. Philipper II is hardly going to stop Razer. 14 bins is also quite a lot, people will bin ICU :( Toast  Ultimatum  11:26, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, we want to bring in quite a few from the other series. The ones we bring in can be binned too (For Example, I would vote to bin Tyke). It was merely a way to give enough space to bring in any other Foreign or failed to qualify bots (anyway, I can think of 14 bots I would bin that doesn't include ICU). I wanted to remove Extreme 2 from this as I think an Audited Extreme 2 would be fun. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 12:58, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * That sounds fair. I only excluded the Americans at first because Extreme Warriors 2 was filmed before Series 6 (I think), and we haven't seen it all. Toast  Ultimatum  13:16, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * It must have been around the S5/Extreme 1 times because it had Wowot, and ED (PC/Xbox) had Panzer Mk 4. However, I want the Americans to be included to make it truly international. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 13:36, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

The Resetti's Replicas Tribute Tournament
I don't think I need to say this, but we all enjoy RA2's tournaments on YouTube featuring his Robot Arena 2 replicas. But I couldn't help but wonder how it'd all translate into an Arena tournament with the actual robots he's been replicating.

The main rule is simple...the only robots allowed are those that RA2 has made a replica of. At least this way it guarantees an interesting mix of robots and potentially an unlikely winner. Obviously, though, these will be the actual robots we're focusing on, and not the replicas. No insanely powerful Project Two: Hex'em, for example. CrashBash (talk) 14:21, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Comments
I dunno, It seems a bit too arbitrary. I know the Fantasy Audited War is arbitrary but at least it lets us all choose the robots. Another Wiki Wars wouldn't be bad though, as I wasn't around to get involved with it last time. J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 14:29, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I like the idea. If it ends up as a Wiki Wars, I wasn't involved last time so it'll be fun to see which user wins. Sam (BAZINGA) 15:39, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * The selection of robots is too broad for it to be worthwhile in my opinion. RA2's made a lot of replicas in his time. Another Wiki Wars would be fantastic, but there's only one person on the wiki who can make that happen, and it isn't me. Toast  Ultimatum  18:17, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * traditionally we do them in February, I'd be up for doing one this year provided I'm allowed to make a few  rules about bot selections - tiny rules that I believe, based on my video making experience will make the fights and vids better. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 20:35, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would absolutely love another one this year. I haven't even started to think about an anniversary celebration yet, and another Wiki Wars would be perfect. Christophee (talk) 20:38, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Plus, it is the 20th anniversary of Robot Wars so if the final is uploaded on the 20th August, it can be to celebrate 20 years of Robotic mayhem. Sam (BAZINGA) 20:51, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

A Formatting Idea
This isn't a tournament idea, but in looking over our past tournaments, I've observed that the old format works a lot better in 4-way melee situations. The old format is where everyone just posts their thoughts in a sub-header, rather than separating it by robot. I feel like I can make stronger arguments when I'm consolidating it all into one block of text (I wanted to say "everyone," but I can only gauge myself), rather than splitting it between the two qualifying bots. If we decide to re introduce 4 way melees, then I'd strongly recommend setting them up that way and only keeping it as is for the one-one-one's. Also, if we do 3-way eliminators, perhaps we should set it up so that people vote one robot out instead of two robots in - for the same reason of consolidating arguments. I'd be more open to formats outside of one-on-one if we do them this way. Just my two pence. '''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 13:26, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
E.G. The Battle is Firestorm III vs Behemoth vs 13 Black vs Kan Opener
 * I'm all for this idea. I don't tend to contribute much to melee battles because I find it difficult to argue for the two robots I want to go through, but I would find it easier if I could just say what I think will happen in the battle as a whole. Christophee (talk) 15:08, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is another way to do four way melees with the column thing, but it is quite complicated and would probably take up too much space.


 * The first column would say: Firestorm and Behemoth through.
 * The second column would say: 13 Black and Kan Opener through.
 * The third column would say: Firestorm III and 13 Black through.
 * The fourth column would say: Behemoth and Kan Opener through.
 * The fifth column would say: Firestorm III and Kan Opener through.
 * And the sixth and final column would say: Behemoth and 13 Black through.

It would mean you don't have to split your vote for both robots, but I certainly can see immediate flaws with it, like it would take up too much space, so you wouldn't get to put much description in if you wanted a long justification. Counting up votes would be a little more difficult, and it would be quite a lot of work for the person that is organizing the contest to insert all those pictures and columns. So I can understand why it's a bad idea, but I just had a sudden brainwave, and decided to type all of this out. RelicRaider (talk) 12:12, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I like this idea too. In my opinion, it adds a lot more to the discussion...and to be honest, I like imagining how four-way melees would go. CrashBash (talk) 17:36, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * How about this. The line-up for the 4-way melees are put up and each user can just talk about it, but at the end of each persons vote, finish with the two winners in bold(For Exapmle The Alien and Ruf Ruf Dougal qualified). That way, it is easy to see who was voted for and a decent discussion about the battle can occur. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 17:57, September 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll be honest, having seeing how people feel about the melees, I think it's a shame. If I may say...I'm actually kinda bored of doing 1v1 all the time. CrashBash (talk) 19:10, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Poll
I know it's a bit early, but as the heats are going to be doubly stacked, Audited Series 7 will finish a bit quicker than previously thought. Do we want to start now to narrow down the options for the next tournament, and also decide who will run it (if Matt is enjoying his break from it)? J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 21:03, November 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a good idea. I mean, from what I can see here- there are loads of interesting ideas mentioned here, but with the amount, it'd be hard to keep track of so many. Thus, I'd say it might be good to provide a bit of guidance to help everyone choose what we'll do next. --GoldenFox93 (talk) 14:26, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * From what people have been saying in the chat, it is between Audited Series 6, Audited Extreme 2 and Fantasy Audited War 2. My vote would go to Extreme 2. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 14:32, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * My vote is for Audited Series 6. Sam (BAZINGA) 14:42, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would like to cast my vote for Audited Series 6 please. BizarroKing (talk) 19:05, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

If this is going too fast, I can stop doubling up the heats. That isn't really a problem, and I think this break from Matt being commentator was just for this tournament, so the decision lies with him as to whether or not he hosts next time. Datovidny (talk) 15:33, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I like the double stacking, keep it. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 15:45, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've no complaints with it either, so please keep it. --GoldenFox93 (talk) 15:55, December 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Since Audited Series 7 has been done, I guess we can all pile in our ideas as to what our next tournament should be? If so...I'm putting a vote forward for the Classic Wars tournament. I know it's cheap trying to promote one of my own, but I think it'll be a nice breath of fresh air and potentially have someone different winning than one we expect to. CrashBash (talk) 14:19, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think doing another Audited wars right after War 7 would be good, even though I like them. If Audited 7 taught me anything, it's that having out-rank dominant robots like Atomic and Firestorm 5 is a bad thing, something that can't be filtered in an audited wars. I would therefore vote for RR's Middle ability bots competition, but it'll need a much better name than that. Datovidny (talk) 15:05, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Fantasy Audited War 2 would be best I think. Let people choose robots they want to see in a tournament (minus the 5 unbeatables) J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:18, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * When you say five unbeatables, does that mean Razer, Tornado, Storm II, Firestorm V and Atomic? Because we usually have Terrorhurtz on this list, and debatably Typhoon 2 as well. I know you like Terrorhurtz, but it would walk the competition, given a chance. I think it could even beat two of the unbeatables. Toast  Ultimatum  18:58, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I must admit, 5 was a mistake, I did mean to write 6. I never thought of putting Typhoon in the list though. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 20:11, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, that was part of the reason I wanted to suggest the Classic series, since we'd have a different (and smaller) list of unbeatables. CrashBash (talk) 20:23, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would also like to do A Fantasy Audited War II next. I know we just did an audited war, but in my eyes, the Fantasy Audited War series doesn't count as an audit. I've had a list of 30 choices (plus an additional 34) for a long time now, and I want to use it. A Fantasy Audited War was one of my favourite competitions on the wiki, after all. Toast  Ultimatum  18:58, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's this that makes me think, why was it called a Fantasy Audited War in the first place? Regardless, if this proves to be one of the more popular choices, I'll happily go in favour of this, as long as the choices are somewhat mellow. Datovidny (talk) 16:48, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of the Classic series personally, most of the more recent tournaments have been exclusively newer robots or practically tailored for them to win, it'd be good to do something a bit different. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:25, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't want to do the classic wars. There is a bunch of robots around the Series 6 period that I want to do a tournament with, which is why I wanted to either do Audited 6+others or Audited War. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 22:06, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Looks like it has settled down to Classic Wars (Featuring robots from Series 1-4) vs the Fantasy Audited War 2 (Where people have free choice of robots they want to compete). So lets put it to vote. J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:49, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * You say they have free choice, but not really, because most robots from the early wars stand little to no chance against those from the later wars, so you've got to pick modern robots if you want it to be competitive/entertaining. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:52, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * That, and a much smaller "prohibited" list. I think this would cover the robots not allowed...probably. CrashBash (talk) 20:12, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * That list is probably fitting, and honestly even Razer may be OK IF we use, say, the series 2 version. As for the rest, maybe we can use robots mostly from the 3-4 wars with a fair number from 1-2 that would stand a chance in combat. BizarroKing (talk) 20:53, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Tomorrow night, shall we stop the votes and count? If we do this winner now and after that, do the other. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 23:29, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Fine by me, and the "prohibited" list for the Classic Wars looks about right. Datovidny (talk) 16:42, February 10, 2014 (UTC)

Classic Wars
 * Combatwombat555 (talk)
 * CrashBash (talk) 18:04, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Matt Robot Wars.jpg Talk to me 18:12, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hogwild94 (talk) 18:40, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * BizarroKing (talk) 19:48, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Toast Ultimatum  00:44, February 10, 2014 (UTC) - If we do both tournaments, we might as well do this one next, as it's basically the opposite of Audited Series 7

Fantasy Audited Wars 2
 * J im laa  d4   3 (talk)
 * Datovidny (talk)
 * Sam (BAZINGA) 20:18, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * snowdog 140  22:45, February 9, 2014 (UTC)