Forum:If a small thing had changed

I want to use this page to discuss possibilities of a certain robot winning a single battle, or not dropping out, or if a seed had changed. Use this page to break into subsections.

Anyone is welcome to add their own "what if", as long as they have reason to believe it would be worth discussing.

However, please do not add your opinion to a section if all you are doing is agreeing fully with what was said.

Razer being more reliable
What would have happened in Series 2-4 had Razer not had technical faults? in Series 2 Razer will crush and pit Inquisitor. but vs Behemoth with out the self-righting wings they will lost. Series 3 Razer will crush Aggrobot and Blade for the win. Razer will crush Beast of Bodmin and Steg-O-Saw-Us into submission they will lost to Hypno-Disc Series 4 vs they will lost to Pussycat--Bulldogbreed 02:26, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

I think that in series 2 it would defeat Behemoth. The scoop wasn't as potent as later series, and it failed to flip over Elvis and Inquisitor. In the semi final gauntlet it may take 1st or 2nd since Napalm completed it in about 15 seconds. Then in the trial Razer comes first. It faces Killertron and crushes through the bin lid shell before fighting a close battle with Panic Attack, but eventually wedges it off the ground and shoves it down the pit. In the Final I think Cassius would win if Rex Garrod could steer it right on the day. The front looked lower than Razer, who didn't have the scoop system in this series, or a srimech. One good flip and Razer is gone.

In series 3 it would defeat Blade, it can crush through the 3mm thick steel and get to the wheels. Then it would defeat Beast of Bodmin the same way. Against Steg-O-Saw-us Razer would be rammed a few times, but eventually manage to get under it and crush into it. Against Hypno Disc, Razer's armour was quite thin before the 100kg weight limit. It might put some holes in Hypno Disc's 4mm aluminium, but if Hypno Disc gets a chance it could rip through Razer's sides and disable the wheels. If Razer could be repaired in time for the playoff it would defeat Firestorm.

In series 4 it would still lose to Pussycat. In Extreme 1 it wasn't mechanical faults that let Razer down, it was Pussycat causing problems with the wheels. Plus again, Razer's armour is too thin here. Razer keeps moving for a while, but Pussycat tears it apart.TheStigisaRobot 10:39, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

BizarroKing's thoughts
Series 2: hmm, well considering Razer took 1st place in it's gauntlet run in it's heat, I feel it can easily win the trial run. In the pinball run judging from it's 3rd Wars run, it can easily do well but I think it will only take 2nd behind Panic Attack so Razer faces Mortis (if it goes 1st vs 3rd and 2nd vs 4th) and beats him and goes to the finals with Panic Attack, who still beats Killertron. Razer's luck runs out here and loses to the boxed bot in the finals as Panic has more power here. In the playoff, he can hold his own and pierce Roadblock at least once or twice, but will ultimately fall and takes 4th place.

Series 3: After defeating Aggrobot, Razer crushes Blade, no contest really. In the semis Razer is in a grudge match against Beast Of Bodmin, successor to the bot that beat him last year. Razer avenges his 2nd wars loss by piercing the eye and causing BOB to break down. Against Steg, honestly i think Steg-O-Saw-Us may pull off the upset win and shove Razer around the arena though he may put a hole in Steg before he breaks down, thus ending his 3rd Wars run.

Series 4:...I'm not gonna lie, I think Pussycat might still pull off the win here so nothing changes. BizarroKing 01:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Onslaught in Series 4
Had Onslaught, and not V-Max, fought in Series 4, what would the result have been?

TG's thoughts
Since Cerberus was felled by the wedge of V-Max, I think its reasonable to think it would last longer against a lifting arm and a scoop. Not much longer though, I still think Cerberus would have fallen.

In round 2, however, not even little Onslaught could have held off Hypno-Disc. Same result for me.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  23:28, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Llama's Thoughts
I agree with the above, but Onslaught might dart about the arena for almost the enitre match, either eventually being caught or being beaten by judges. Llamaman201 (talk) 08:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Extreme 1 Annihilator
Had Bulldog Breed 3 and Atomic 2 made it into the annihilator, how would the results have changed?

TG's thoughts
I would list the results as follows.


 * Sixth: Napalm 2 - Ripped apart by The Steel Avenger and Disc-O-Inferno
 * Fifth: Atomic 2 - Severely damaged by Disc-O-Inferno just like Hypno-Disc.
 * Fourth: The Steel Avenger - Two lifting weapons leaves much to be desired for a limited self-righter.
 * Third: Panic Attack - Just the same
 * Second: Disc-O-Inferno - I just haven't seen it dish out damage on the scale of Hypno-Disc, who was actually quite lucky to KO Bulldog Breed the way it did. Meanwhile, Bulldog's flipper would bounce Disco around, and thats the best way to KO a robot like that.
 * First: Bulldog Breed  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  23:28, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

CBFan's Thoughts
Agree with TG completely EXCEPT For Bulldog Breed beating Disc-O-Inferno. I don't think you realise that Hypno-Disc had already immobilised Bulldog Breed BEFORE tearing the link out, so lucky had nothing to do with it. Add to the fact that Disc-O-Inferno's disc is much heavier and spins much faster....CBFan (talk) 07:23, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Llama's Thoughts
Remember Disco has broken down before and this is the Series 4 version so I reckon that Bulldog Breed could flip it around enough to dislodge something. Llamaman201 (talk) 08:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Series 4 version? It's the Extreme Series 1 version. CBFan (talk) 17:50, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Its the same, shape at least and weapon. Llamaman201 (talk) 17:53, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm....I find that difficult to believe, somehow. Sorry, but they're very different. CBFan (talk) 18:40, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous user's thoughts
What if the eight billed robots who'd had to pull out never had to? 80.111.172.25 19:57, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hypno-Disc/101 outcome
If 101 had defeated Hypno-Disc on that judges decision, how would it have gone in the Grand Final?

TG's thoughts
Well it would have been drawn against Steg, so its a match of two push power monsters with very little weaponry. With no pit, its going to resort to who damages the other with push power (I've seen more from Steg), who has more aggression (I've seen both be pretty aggressive, but I think 101 would have it), who shows more control (definately Steg) and who has better style (I'd have to say that 101 would have style). Steg therefore wins for me, based on weighting.

In the Grand Final, though, Chaos 2 would be more than capable of dispatching Steg.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  23:28, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Llama's Thoughts
Steg would probably beat 101, just. For 3rd place, Firestorm may have trouble getting under 101 as it is just wider than 101 at the front due to 101's tracks, plus it could get drawn up the tracks. However eventually I think Firestorm will get underneath and flip 101 against a wall, hooking a track over the edge of the arena. Llamaman201 (talk) 08:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Corkscrew in Series 6
Suppose that the pit trigger had worked properly and not waited 20 seconds to open?

RA2's Thoughts
Corkscrew knows to stay away from the pit, and instead focuses on tearing up Panic Attack. Kronic flips Panic attack like it did in the real battle, but this time Panic Attack is out.

Next round, it faces A-Kill, and you can probably guess how that goes; lots of destruction and another win.

Against Terrorhurtz, I have to say that I think Corkscrew can pull off the upset. The thingee on top will block Terrorurtz's axe, whilst the spinning body rips through Terrorhurtz's polycarb armour easily. Now things get interesting.

Onto the semifinals, and here I think Corkscrew is out of luck. Its small shape and high clearance of those blades means Spawn Again will probably OotA it.

In the losers' melee, its opponents are Hypnodisc and Bigger Brother. We know that Bigger Brother is quite hard, and with Hypnodisc in barely-working condition, Bigger Brother just has to concentrate on pitting or flipping Corcksrew, and it goes through.

Now, Bigger Brother faces Spawn Again instead of Terrorhurtz. Now, the outcome depends on how much damage Spawn Again took from Corkscrew, but let's say it's nothing the team couldn't ffix. Now, I have yet to see Spawn Again get more than a few flips in a single match, so if it came down to a battle of endurance, Bigger Brother would take it for sure. All it would have to do it flip it over once or twice, and that's curtains for Spawn Again.

In the Grand Final, Bigger Brother has a grudge match against Razer and loses again. It loses the 3rd place palyoff to Firestorm as well. '''R A 2 ; [http://www.youtube.com/user/ResettisReplicas aka Resetti's Replicas. ] ( My Talk )''' 16:01, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree up until Spawn Again. This was the hobbling Series 6 version. Corkscrew could easily destroy Spawn who wouldn't get anywhere near flipping it. Corkscrew meets Bigger Brother who dispatch of Corkscrew easily. Bigger Brother wouldn't face Razer as they were the top 2 seeds, so the draw is now Razer/Tornado and Firestorm/Bigger Brother. Tornado and Firestorm won these encounters in Series 6 and Extreme 2 respectively, so fight in the final. Tornado still champions, Firestorm second, Razer third and Bigger Brother fourth. Seeds for Series 7 stay as they were. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 19:27, October 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * If Corkscrew made it to the semi finals instead of Terrorhurtz, the top seedings would probably look like this:


 * 1) Tornado
 * 2) Firestorm 5
 * 3) Bigger Brother
 * 4) Dantomkia
 * 5) Spawn Again
 * 6) Corkscrew
 * 7) 13 Black
 * 8) Panic Attack
 * 9) Pussycat
 * 10) Behemoth
 * 11) X-Terminator
 * 12) Bulldog Breed
 * 13) SMIDSY
 * 14) Thermidor 2
 * 15) Terrorhurtz
 * 16) Storm 2

So, they wouldn't exactly stay the same. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:20, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Terrorhurtz, Thunderpants, Flippa and Typhoon 2
Lets assume these robots didn't have to drop out of their respective competitions of Series 7 (and also lets assume Typhoon 2 IS in a fully fit working state). How'd that effect Heats 2 and 5, the annihilator and the world championships? CBFan (talk) 17:53, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

TG's thoughts
This is less of a small thing and more like four small things. Regardless, my answers are thus;

1) Terrorhurtz would have defeated Jackson Wallop as it was easier to strike than Gyrobot. It would have hacked both Big Nipper and Grim Reaper, but would have falled to Storm 2.

2) No change, Thunderpants would be side stranded by any of the three. Out in Round 1.

3) No change - Flippa has no capability to defeat any of these remaining robots. 5th.

4)Typhoon 2, its hard. With the pit, I think Tough As Nails could close to distance and shove Typhoon 2 into the pit without taking fatal damage - not saing no damage, just saying it would live. TAN would still win, in my eyes.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  20:00, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

BuggyBash's Thoughts
I agree with the first 3, but I believe that Typhoon could have hit TAN's exposed wheels in the right way and immobilised it. Rawbot wouldn't be a problem. That would set up a grudge match against Storm 2 and I believe Storm 2 would have its revenge and either pit it or throw it to the House Robots. BuggyBash666 15:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Napalm - Series 2
Let's assume Napalm was not cheated out of the competition and Mortis had gone out. This one is NOT as simple as it looks.

CBFan's Thoughts
If Napalm had gone through instead of Mortis, then the line-up would have been completely different. Judging by how both semi-finals did go, it would have been....


 * Panic Attack vs Behemoth
 * Killertron vs Napalm

Now, Killertron, I think, would have beaten Napalm. Panic Attack vs Behemoth, I'm really not sure. Maybe Panic Attack has the edge slightly....CBFan (talk) 20:11, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Why does the lineup have to change, may I ask? Why doesn't Napalm just face Panic Attack? Was the linup decided by Pinball scores?  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  20:13, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * 8 or 9/10 times, the line-up in the arena stages of Series 1 and 2 depended on how well the robots did in the trials. For example, in the very first show, we had Nemesis (1st) fighting Roadblock (3rd), with Killertron (2nd) against Shogun (4th). Both Semi-Finals of Series 2 followed this format. CBFan (talk) 20:20, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Matt's Thoughts
Now call me naive, but I honestly think that Napalm could've got a pitting victory here. I mean I know the robot was very crudley built, but Killertron's axe wasn't brilliant either. For me, strange as it sounds, Napalm could've made a grand final. From there, it would meet Cassius, Panic Attack and Roadblock in the Grand Final. I think against Panic Attack, it would've lost badly, and the same goes for the third place Matt (Talk) 10:22, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mace beat Panic Attack
On a similar note from above, what if Mace, not Panic Attack, had won the race-off? The same Napalm controversy takes place in the Pinball.

TG's thoughts
Now, in the Pinball, I can't accurately predict Mace's score, but I'd say it could probably beat Behemoth, and its score would be higher than that of Mortis. With Napalm out, the semi-finals are.


 * Killertron vs Mortis: I'd go for Mortis on any occasion if Rob was driving, but since its Ben, I'm going for Killertron to have a better push, even if the axes don't influence anything.
 * Mace vs Behemoth: In my eyes, Mace, no contest.

Now these two move on to the Grand Final. Killertron and Mace fight, and I have a feeling Mace would win by pushing and dodging the axe. Killertron loses to Roadblock again.

In the Grand Final, however, Mace doesn't have the quick push that Panic Attack had, and I think Cassius claims the title.  TG    (t    c)  12:17, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Stock Robots thrown Gauntlet
What would have happened had the Stock Robots sabotaged themselves in the Gauntlet, rather than the Trial, meaning that Barry, Plunderbird and Elvis went through?

TG's thoughts

 * Heat A: Barry can defeat or stalemate Shunt, but lets say it takes first place. Shogun is now eliminated. Barry fights Killertron, and loses. The rest of the Heat plays out in the same way.


 * Heat C: Plunderbird is able to move, which gives it one up on Dreadnaut. Its a good machine, so lets assume it takes the second goal. This now means that Robot the Bruce fights and beats Wedgehog in the Arena Semi-Final, whilst Plunderbird beats Cruella. In the final, I think Robot the Bruce is in trouble, and gets tipped over by Plunderbird 1.


 * Heat F: Elvis is a pretty substandard robot, but TRACIE getting stuck means that its the end of the line. Prince of Darkness now fights Elvis, and wins, whilst Skarab beats the Blob. In the final, I think Prince of Darkness is much more capable of pulling off victory. Jeremy Clarkson would have a fit, but still...


 * Grand Final: Now with two altered finalists. Cunning Plan is not going to last long, one way or another, its out. Recyclopse and Prince of Darkness would also be defeated, leaving only three robots left with a chance at the title. For me, Roadblock was always the most potent, and its huge shape means that nothing short of a large flipper will deny it the championship. Roadblock wins, but manages to overturn Bodyhammer this time, meaning Plunderbird comes the unofficial second.  TG    (t    c)  12:29, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree with Prince of Darkness beating Skarab, considering that it's 60kg lighter than Skarab, and is only equipped with spikes. Skarab looks sturdy enough to win. I feel that Skarab would have lasted about as long as Recyclopse in the Grand Final.  ManU Crazy   (talk)  16:58, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Matt's Thoughts

 * Barry would've defeated Shunt, and tipped over Killertron, before being defeated in a close judges decision by Roadblock


 * Agree with TG, Plunderbird would've won the heat


 * Skarab to win this one, smashing Prince of Darkness to a pulp, JC kisses the team

In the grand final, Cunning Plan goes out first, Roadblock then tips over Skarab, then Recyclopse, then Plunderbird, but fails to beat Bodyhammer Matt (Talk) 10:27, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

If Cassius 2 had won....
Against Pussycat, How do you think it would have changed the course of series 3?

TG's thoughts
It would have easily beaten Scutter's Revenge and 101. Against Hypno-Disc, I think it would certainly lose, because rear-hinged flippers are very hard to pull off a quick victory with. Cassius would have to all the way underneath Hypno-Disc to take it out, but I think a few hard slams from the disc would have left Cassius in trouble - the armour is only polycarb.  TG    (t    c)  23:14, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

LightningStorm93's thoughts
I agree with TG up to the battle with Hypno-Disc. I believe that Cassius 2 has the capability to defeat Hypno-Dsic, as at the time, Hypno-Disc's flywheel was only running at half speed. As Cassius has an adjustable ground clearance and a high top speed, I think it'd be able to outmaneuver Hypno-Disc, and get underneath and flip it over. Against Steg-O-Saw-Us, I think that Cassius can get in underneath Steg and flip it over, much like in Steg's battle with Gravedigger, though it'd be hard pressed to get underneath Steg with it's constant ramming. However, in the Grand Final, Cassius 2 would put up an absolutely brutal battle with Chaos 2, but here, Cassius's run ends with a loss on a judges decision. LightningStorm93 18:36, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Bigger Brother flipping Typhoon 2 in Round 1
What would have happened if Iron Awe had not flipped Bigger Brother out with and had lost to the seeded machine? Dandaman012 11:41, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Buggy's Thoughts
Bigger Brother vs Hypno Disc. With no comeback BuggyBash666 16:20, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ok i decided to adjust this one slightly. What would have happened if during the First Round of the heat, Bigger Brother had successfully re-righted Collosus and Typhoon 2 had been counted out instead? The second round draw remains the same but with Collosus fighting Hammerhead 2 instead of Typhoon 2. Dandaman012 12:12, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

TG's thoughts
Much better.


 * Colossus loses to Hammerhead 2
 * Hammerhead 2 loses to Iron Awe 2.1
 * Iron Awe 2.1 loses to Thermidor 2
 * Thermidor 2 loses to Atomic
 * Atomic loses to X-Terminator
 * X-Terminator loses to Storm 2

 Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  12:15, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hammerhead 2 would defeat Colossus before losing to Iron Awe. Thermidor 2 would then defeat Iron Awe before losing to Atomic. I think that Atomic could flip X-terminator over and then possible defeat Storm 2 by flipping it oota to win the championship.TheStigisaRobot 15:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Robochicken in Series 7
What would have happened if Robochicken had won its heat against TAN and fought Bulldog Breed? BuggyBash666 08:23, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It would have lost. Llamaman201 (talk) 09:57, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, bad question. BuggyBash666 11:38, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nor does it qualify as a "small thing".  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  12:19, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, can I delete it and post a new question? sweet as a nut mate 12:24, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Killertron in Extreme Annihilator 1
What if Killalot hadn't interfered and pitted Killertron in the Mayhem, and Killertron had gone through to the Annihilator instead of Splinter. Would the outcome of changed in any way? Hogwild94 20:13, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

It wouldn't last long in the Annihilator. Hypno-Disc would damage it and Thermidor 2 and Splinter would attack it. 6th place. User:ShotgunJustice


 * You realise that Splinter wouldn't be there if Killertron was? Llamaman201 (talk) 09:45, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I overlooked that. Anyway, still 6th or 5th if it survived before Thermidor broke down. ShotgunJustice 09:59, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Tsunami in series 7
Had Tsunami left X-terminator to be counted out, how far do you think it would have gone in series 7? I think it would defeat St Agro on a Judges decision or by flipping it oota, before flipping Bulldog Breed out. Then it would defeat Typhoon 2 by simply flipping it over, and I think that by using aggressive driving and its superior speed, Tsunami could flip Storm 2 over before flipping it oota or exploiting the inverted scoop by shoving it down the pit.TheStigisaRobot 15:00, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with all but Tsumani beating Storm 2. I think Storm 2 would pit Tsunami. Middle Eye 20:26, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Spawn Again in Series 7
What would have happened if Spawn Again's pneumatic ram didn't burst in its Heat Final? Personally, I think that it would OotA Raging Knightmare, and then pull off the upset against Tornado. This version impressed me a lot more than in Series 6, and I think it would win on a judges decision. Then, due to Gravity's constant wheelies, I can see Spawn Again in the Grand Final. It wouldn't beat Storm 2, though, but would defeat X-Terminator with one flip. Middle Eye 20:26, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Storm2's thoughts
The flipper will be key, as when RK flipped Spawn over, it almost flipped itself over as well. I'm not sure about OotA, but Raging Knightmare is hardly the most robust of machines, so Spawn Again will flip until Raging breaks. Against Tornado, again, invertible, but I think the disc only works to its full potential on Tornado if it's the right way round. As for the rest of its arsenal, well, one flip and it's cannon fodder. Spawn tosses Tornado out of the arena. Totally agree, Gravity's wheelies make it vulnerable for the few seconds its front is off the ground. If Spawn Again is in the right place at the right time, it can use its speed to flip Gravity out of the arena from the rear. The Grand Final is where it turns turtle. Even though Spawn claim to be as fast as Storm 2, I never saw it that fast, and Storm isn't the kind of machines that Spawn Again can catch. Storm will dodge until it pushes Spawn down the pit. One flip, and it's curtains for X-Terminator, whose srimech is much to be desired when upside-down.-- STORM  II   14:50, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

VampireWeekend4ever's thoughts
If they beat Raging Knihtmare, the draw would be like this: Tornado vs Tough as Nails Dantomkia vs Gravity X Terminator vs St Agro Spawn Again vs Bulldog Breed

Tornado v TAN: tough one. Both are very good pushers, but TAN could pierce Tornado's sides and so considerable damage. Then it could pit Tornado. Spawn Again vs Bulldog Breed. Two very good flippers, but I reckon S.A. would just edge it.

Now TAN faces Gravity, and it would be a repeat of the World Championship Qualifier. Gravity pitted, TAN in the final.

Now XT versus Spawn Again, and that's being discussed further up. Two different finalists.

Now, the grand final. TAN faces Storm 2. TAN ends up pitted. Now Spawn Again faces Typhoon 2, and I think Typhoon could seriously damage SA.

The grand final plays out how it did, but in the playoff, I reckon TAN would pit Spawn Again. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:10, March 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * I can see why you shifted the battles around, because of the seedings (you wouldn't have the first seed against the sixth seed with so many unseeded robots), but I really can't see Tough As Nails getting the better of Tornado. Tornado isn't quite as powerful as Storm 2, but still, a four wheel drive powerful machine against two wheel drive... Plus I don't think Tough As Nails' crusher getting through the sides of Tornado, it got through Robochicken but that had quite thin armour. Spawn Again against Bulldog Breed, with two fully fit robots I really wouldn't like to call it, but I'd probably agree with you for a limping Bulldog Breed. The rest I agree with. Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:34, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

What if The Big Cheese had beaten Chaos 2?
How would the rest of the series have gone if this had happened? The Big Cheese would have been able to easily defeat Trident by turning it over, and up against Mace 2, it'd turn it's opponent over, albeit with a few close calls. In the grand final, up against Firestorm, it'd be very difficult for The Big Cheese to defeat Firestorm. However, should The Big Cheese successfully defeat Firestorm, which I would assume would be done by The Big Cheese turning Firestorm over several times and avoiding being flipped, winning on a judges decision, I think that The Big Cheese would be able to defeat Hypno-Disc, as its armour is probably strong enough to stand up to the flywheel, and Roger Plant could probably stop the flywheel by clamping it with the lifter, and in the time it takes to get it started again, would successfully turn Hypno-Disc over. So, Roger Plant would take home the Series 3 title, proving that The Big Cheese is just what he said it was. --LightningStorm93 19:18, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Trident and Mace would clearly lose to the Big Cheese, but Firestorm would definitely slide in underneath Big Cheese (like with Facet) at least once in 5 minutes to win, since Big Cheese can't self right. Firestorm loses to Hypno-Disc, since it probably won't get at least half of its flipping arm underneath without the disc hitting it (or the wedge) and deflecting away while causing damage. Hypno-Disc claims the title by KO. And for the record, I don't believe that Big Cheese would have beaten Hypno-Disc either.  ManU Crazy   (talk)  20:20, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Your logic for Big Cheese beating Firestorm is very unlikely. I could use that same logic to suggest that Colossus or Knightmare could defeat Firestorm, because all you've said is "could flip and avoid and win judges". I believe that ManU has got it exactly right, though even Mace 2 would put up a good fight against the Big Cheese.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  20:54, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. I can see your point here, but The Big Cheese was definitely capable of reaching the grand final at least. --LightningStorm93 21:00, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

What if there were no Hardened Arena Spikes?
This is something of an Elephant in the Room, if I say so myself. As we all know, the Hardened Arena Spikes in series 3 robbed us of some very interesting battles. If they weren't there, Behemoth would've defeated Pitbull in the heat final, as it was easily able to turn it over, but it would be outmanoeuvred in the semi-final by Firestorm, who would go in on Behemoth's vulnerable sides and flip it around until it won the judges decision. Darke Destroyer may well have beaten Gravedigger, as it'd be able to win more points in the damage category, as well as being a very awkward shape for Gravedigger to try and flip. However, it would be rammed into submission by Steg in the semis. Berserk 2, with its hardened armour, would be able to stand up to Hypno-Disc's flywheel, and without the flip it recieved from the spike, would manage to edge the judges decision, if only just. In the semi-finals, it would be able to beat Evil Weevil by either axing it until it's immobile or by turning it over with the forklift. After this, it'd have an absolutely brutal battle with 101. It'd be very close, but with it's axe and the hard armour, I think it'd be able to clinch a victory. However, I think it'd ultimately be outclassed in terms of sheer power by Steg-O-Saw-Us, but if it could survive the ramming and hold Steg off to a judges decision, as well as bring it's axe into play, it may be able to just about take a decision. However, no matter who wins that battle, Chaos 2 would dominate the final without question. It's a shame that that damn spike had to ruin so many battles. There could certainly have been some impressive outcomes from the underdogs. --LightningStorm93 21:29, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Behemoth would have beatn Pitbull and lost to Firestorm.
 * Darke Destroyer would still have lost to Gravedigger, it was only a matter of time until flipped.
 * Berserk 2 would need to have done more than survive, which I doubt. Hypno-Disc still win.
 * S.M.I.D.S.Y., can't prove this was arena spike damage, but I'd like to think so, so lets say victory over Rattus, Dreadnaut and maybe Trident, before obliteration by Chaos 2.
 * Scarab still loses to Victor.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  22:51, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

What about Wild Willy and Schumey Too? Both their losses were (in effect) the result of getting flicked by the spike, loosing control, and driving into the pit. Wild Willy would've beaten Evil Weevil and Panzer, but Hypno-Disc would probably have destroyed it before it could do anything to harm it. Schumey Too could possibly beat Diotoir, but certainly not Firestorm. Hogwild94 21:34, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Mortis being more reliable
in Series 3 Mortis one of its tracks broke in it lost to Gravedigger and Series 4 the lifing arm became jammed open


 * The idea is you post your thoughts....and please remember to use proper grammar and sign your name in future. Thank you. CrashBash 10:25, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

GF's thoughts

 * Even still, I think it's something worth considering- how well Mortis would've done if it had gotten past those stages where it had fallen short due to the reliability.


 * If Mortis had won against Gravedigger in Series 3, I personally think it could've actually done very well. It would've beaten Darke Destroyer quite easily (A standard flip/axe job.), and from there would've been in the Semis. Against Steg-O-Saw-Us, it would've been a very back-and-forth pushing match which goes in its favour, due to getting in some nice axe blows and the occasional lift with the arm. Then there's Beast of Bodmin in the Second Round. Here, I see Mortis hacking into its fiberglass armour with the Tanto, before lifting the Cornish machine onto its back and doing the same to its chassis to win by KO.


 * In the Grand Final, it'd then come up against Hypno Disc, in its original incarnation. I see this one going in its favour as well- although the armour's not quite up to the "Diamond Coated" level it was in the next series, that's still Carbon Fibre, Kevlar and Titanium there amongst other things, so it's still very strong, and it has the good power and ramming wedge shape behind it as well, which will be key. Here, I see Mortis constantly shoving Hypno Disc around the Arena, interspersed with periods where it shoves it into the House Robots or hits it with the Axe. Eventually I'm seeing it either winning the Decision on Damage and Aggression, or perhaps if it's feeling ambitious, stopping the disc and then turning Hypno Disc over to win and make the Final.
 * Last of all, the Grand Final, which would be against Chaos 2. Although it would've done well to make it this far, this is where I think Mortis would come unstuck. It has quite a high ground clearance, slow self-righting, and one of its big weaknesses is how easily its weapons can be nullified by being flipped over. I can't see George Francis bottling this one, so ultimately, Mortis will finish Second and Chaos 2 will become Champion after constantly throwing the Cambridge-based machine around to win the decision.


 * As for Series 4 however, the unlucky draw against Chaos 2 (In this case, again!) will seal its fate quite early on. It'll be thrown around the Arena and eventually either pitted or put out of the Arena by the Reigning Champions, and from there the Series continues as normal. Well unless the draws are shuffled around to accommodate the altered Seeds, but I'm going to go with what's there for the moment. --GoldenFox93 (talk) 21:50, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Pussycat's Hardened Blade
So we all know Pussycat was DQ'ed for the hardened blade it used in the heat final against Scutter's Revenge back in the 3rd Wars. But what if the team never swapped it out and stuck with the regular blade? Would it have still beat Scutter's Revenge? If so, how far in the Semis do you think it could have gone? I like to think it could beat 101... --BizarroKing 00:30, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Remember that Pussycat was declared the winner of its fight with Scutter's Revenge, and only then was it disqualified. However, 101 is a very blade-resistant shape, and additionally, 101 relies on pushing to win matches, and Pussycat is very easy to shove around. So I'm gonna say that it would play out roughly the same. Toast  Ultimatum  00:40, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Fluffy vs. Pussycat
On another note of Pussycat, what if Fluffy didn't break down. Pussycat was getting lambasted in that fight, and only won by a fluke. If Fluffy then went further, I believe it had a strong chance of beating Panic Attack. If it went even further, then Firestorm's armour looks like it could take a buffeting from Fluffy. But Fluffy also has a high ground clearance. Or it could break down, as usual. What do you guys think? Toast Ultimatum  00:53, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Firestorm would flip Fluffy until it breaks down.Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:32, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hypno-Disc - Victorious
What if Hypno-Disc didn't suddenly lose it to Bigger Brother? What if Hypno-Disc had persisted, hung on, or whatever, to defeat Bigger Brother and face Razer in the final? I'm asking what would happen in the final, and the playoff between Firestorm 3 and Bigger Brother. Datovidny (talk) 20:26, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Datovidny's Thoughts
Firestorm 3 would come out on top ahead of Bigger Brother, partly because it would've been limping after the Grand Final Eliminator, and partly because Firestorm proved mant times in Robot Wars to be superior to a fully functioning Bigger Brother. However, in the final, Razer's armour was, to be fair, average, weak enough therefore for Hypno-Disc to cause Razer terminal damage, quick enough to prevent Razer doing the opposite to Hypno-Disc, as Hypno-Disc's armour was actually quite strong by Series 5. Datovidny (talk) 20:51, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Snowdog140's Thoughts
Bigger Brother to finish third because its flipper is better than Firestorm's, driving is pretty much even so maybe an OOTA....Final, hm, well, Razer will need to turn on a sixpence to get to the vulnerables of Hypno-Disc, whereas one lucky shot with the disc has Razer immobile, so I'd say the Roses finally winning the crown. Charlie M 20:44, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

ToastUltimatum's Thoughts
Well, no questions regarding the playoff. Firestorm is far too big for Bigger Brother to flip out of the arena, and Bigger Brother, in turn, is very small itself. Plus, Firestorm can get under almost anything, and I think it would be a repeat of their clash in Extreme 2, or just a straight OotA. In fact, the latter is rather likely.

Hypno-Disc vs. Razer is a tough one, as Razer could get in there first, and if Razer did get the first touch, it should be able to get through Hypno-Disc's armour. If Hypno-Disc did get the opportunity though, it could wreck Razer's armour. I'm not going to try and call that one. Toast Ultimatum

Roadblock eliminated in the Skittles trial
What if Limpet had somehow scored just enough points to shockingly eliminate the series 1 champ Roadblock in Heat G of the Second Wars? How do you think the rest of the series would play out?

Here's my view: Let's say Limpet would face Killerhurtz in place of Roadblock...I'm not 100 percent sure how well Limpet would do in combat but I have a feeling Killerhurtz has this one beat and axes it's foe to death, leaving them to face Onslaught in the heat finals. I can see Killerhurtz winning this fight as well and as such makes it to the series semi finals.

With Plunderbird 2's poor 0.9 distance in the gauntlet, they're still out. Killerhurtz did well in the 4th wars pinball but poorly in the 3rd....I'll say they'll make it to around 150 pts and just beat G.B.H.

Going with the 1st vs 3rd and 2nd vs 4th matchups, it should be King Buxton vs Killerhurtz. I can see King Buxton taking this one and slam Killerhurtz all around, defeating them via judges decision if not KOing them, while Cassius still beats Haardvark.

In the grand finals, I can see Cassius still pull off the win over King Buxton and Buxton defeating Killertron in the playoff. So the grand final remains the same, just with King Buxton taking 3rd instead. But that's my opinion what do you think?--BizarroKing (talk) 20:48, July 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Killerhurtz should beat Limpet with ease, axe vs non-weaponed budget bot and all. Onslaught, well that's tricky to call.  Killerhurtz can't go as fast as it, and Onslaught's armour is way too hard for it to break.  I see Onslaught either boradsiding Killerhurtz into the CPZ or flipping it with that wedge.


 * Gauntlet and trial, Onslaught shouldn't even break a sweat if we assume the other robots do exactly the same. Onslaught will tear up the pinball course, a small and fast robot is the house bots' worst nightmare, it should come in first like Roadblock.  This means it faces King B, who should be able to out-maneuver and out-push its way to victory.  King B loses to cassius but beats Killertron for 3rd. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 20:59, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

T-Wrecks competing in Series 3
What if T-Wrecks didn't have to pull out and Steg-O-Saw-Us never competed? What do you think would happen?

I think T-Wrecks would still win the heat but lose in Round 1 of the Semis to Gravedigger who would in turn lose to Beast of Bodmin, putting Beast in the Grand Final where they would (in my opinion) Beat Hypno-Disc before losing to Chaos 2. Hypno-Disc would lose again to Firestorm.

Now what are your opinions? Badnik96 01:03, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * If T-Wrecks was subpar in Series 7, then I can't fathom how the unimproved version would be. I have to assume less reliable.  Steg O Saw Us' heat was frankly not difficult to win.  I'll say it breaks down against ORAC, who loses to Henry, who loses to Napalm.  Napalm loses to Gravedigger, who beats Beast of Bodmin.  Hypno beats Gravedigger, Firestorm beats Gravedigger in the playoff. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 04:01, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't see Gravedigger beating Beast of Bodmin. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:20, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's a difficult one, but ultimately I think Gravedigger has more killing power. Beast of Bodmin can't really immobilise Gravedigger with its weapons; if it manages to get a flip in on Gravedigger, it should just self-right. The reverse isn't true. Whoever goes through, though, I can't see either of them beating Hypno-Disc, so it's of no real consequence. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:24, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

Beserk 2 in Series 4
What if Beserk 2 was kept the design and armour of the Series 3 model B2?

I think it would have been able to beat Tornado, but it would lose to Gemini. If Gemini would then lose to Wheely Big Cheese, who would then lose to Chaos 2. If Gemini beat WBC, Chaos 2 would send one of the clusterbots OOTA. Does any one agree with me?  Mad looney 6 10:59, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Typhoon 2 in the 3rd World Championship
Team Typhoon had to choose between the Middleweight championship and the 3rd World Championship. Suppose they made the opposite call?

RA2

 * First, the Middleweight Championship with no Typhoon. Dear oh dear, what was already a boring match certainly won't be better with the only destructive weapon out of the picture.  I'm going for Phoenix, it looked considerably faster and could probably broadside the lengthy Steel Sandiwch.


 * Second, the World Championship. Typhoon is deceptively swift, and its ability to dodge until spun up was pretty flawless.  Tough As Nails isn't going to be the one exceptional robot that can outdo this.  Pincers are inherently fragile, even if TAN can get a grip, Typhoon will probably strike that hinge between the pincers and immobilize them.  It could als smash TAN's ram at the back.


 * Storm 2 is tougher to call, it's hard to say which team would benefit more from a rematch, since both sides believe they played a perfect game the first time. I'm goign to predict Storm 2 for the win, because if they had been bolder with their attacks, then the decision would have been much less justifiable.  And by Cairns' own admission, Typhoon's spinner does sometimes stall, being a petrol engine.  So yeah, if Storm 2 can do more ramming, and keep Typhoon near the wall or CPZ, it should win the decision, thus normalizing the rest of the competition. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 19:21, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Prizephita beating Wild Thing
If Prizephita was awarded the win against Wild Thing in the 5th wars, how would it have done? Well, in the next round,it would meet defending double champion Chaos 2. Prizephita could certainly give a decent battle, but ultimately would be defeated by the champs. Again, up against S3 and Spawn Again, it would most likely be defeated. Ultimately, the loss of Prizephita in the heats meant that the brilliant Wild Thin vs Chaos 2 battle could happen. Jimlaad43 (talk) 10:43, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Bulldog Breed Disqualified
What if Bulldog Breed was disqualified for the mesh? Well for starters, Heat K would have been even duller than it already was.Infernal Contraption mounted an attack in the battle, so would have gone through with Mantis. Hard would easily deflect IC's attacks and dominate the match. Hard vs Kat 3 is tougher, but Hard has decent armour and Kat 3 has always struggled to self-right, so Hard goes through to the semis. Hard meets Tough As Nails and is conveniently the perfect size and shape for TAN to grab and pit. So Tough as Nails now fights X-Terminator, who cannot damage the HARDOX and consequently loses the judges decision due to TAN's pushing prowess. In the Grand Final, TAN meets Typhoon 2. As discussed in Ragnabot Heat N, Tough As Nails would just have the edge to win this. The third place playoff sees Typhoon battle Tornado using the chain flail scoop. Typhoon 2 would cause some damage to Tornado's side and takes 3rd place. The final between Storm II and Tough As Nails plays out largely like the 3rd World Championship fight where TAN grabs Storm but gets out pushed and pitted. Storm II are champions of series 7 and Mentorn go nuts and try to disqualify Storm II but fail. J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 15:44, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I kinda wish this actually happened now. Hard as a heat winner is quite laughable, and I totally believe it would happen, unless they were drawn against Mantis instead. Toast  Ultimatum  22:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it would be over quickly as Mantis couldn't self-right. Hard vs TAN would be the quickest pit immobilisation battle ever, as it would be just like the pitting of Scraptosaur. Tough As Nails vs X-Terminator would be an interesting battle to watch, as would Typhoon 2 vs Tornado, because I think Tornado wasn't the best against side impacts. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 22:25, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mantis can self-right, that I'm pretty sure of. CrashBash (talk) 22:50, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can it? I still think even with this that Hard would win the battle. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 23:04, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think Mantis has it easy no matter what, it can just pick up the tiny Hard and carry it around. Hard might not even be able to flip Mantis over, it only ever flipped robots up instead of over. Toast  Ultimatum  23:06, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wild Thing in series 5
Ok, this one will sound absolutely mundane, but as stated on Wild Thing's page, for series 5, the spike on the end of the lance was taken off, and the lance itself was shortened to stop it getting in the way of the disc. Well, what would happen if the lance was kept at the same length, and still didn't affect the disk. I have a feeling Wild Thing's heat battles would've been the same. But in the semi final against Chaos 2, we all know how close to pitting Chaos 2 Wild Thing was, as it was pushing against the wheels with its lance, now with the lengthened lance, Wild Thing successfully pits Chaos 2. Chaos 2 goes down to the loser's melee, where I can see it going after Spawn Again, who ends up upside down with the flipper open and is counted out. Chaos 2 then takes on S3, and we know Chaos 2 struggled with spinners in its later life, so lets go for the shock and say S3 buckles the side armour into the wheel of Chaos 2 which locks up, and the champs are out again, with no coming back. So, S3 is reinstated, and now it faces either Wild Thing or Razer, lets say it still faces Razer and loses. Now Bigger Brother vs Wild Thing, and I think that the disc will be Wild Thing's downfall, as Bigger Brother gets underneath it, lifting it up, before flipping it over and against the arena wall, with either an OotA, or a judges' decision in Bigger Brother's favour.

So the seeding changes in series 6, with Wild Thing seeded 5th, Dominator 2 6th, S3 7th Chaos 2 8th, Panic Attack 9th. Wild Thing now participates in Heat C, and I think it could probably make it through its first round melee, probably with Iron Awe 2.1, as they won't be flipped out this time. Dantomkia beats Iron Awe like in the Challenge Belt, and Wild Thing watches Crushtacean drive into the pit. The heat Final sees Dantomkia through as Wild Thing's compact shape seems easier to flip out.

Now Chaos 2 fights in Panic Attack's heat, where it can win its first round melee with Kronic, who loses to Terrorhurtz, whilst Chaos 2 fights brilliantly against A Kill, who is breaking apart from the constant flips. Chaos 2 fights Terrorhurtz in the final, and I think this is a very difficult decision. But I think Terrorhurtz impressed me enough in series 6 to beat Chaos 2 to beat the new eighth seeds in a shock, also abiding by the eighth seed curse.

Now Panic Attack fights in Wild Thing's heat, where it can maybe take out UFO and the Stag. Now Panic Attack Au fights 259, and remember that this version of PA was no where near as durable as Wild Thing was, so 259 can probably win, now it fights Vader in the heat final, and I think it can pull it off, by probably flipping Vader or breaking through the armour or dislocating the disc, putting them through to the semis.

Now 259 fights Razer in the semis, I can imagine one of the wings breaking, but Razer can probably beat 259 well, absolutely destroying it, and putting it out of the running for the Loser's Melee, or at least putting it in very bad shape for it, and with Dantomkia and 13 Black in there, I can't see it lasting very long.

But, as 259 reached the semis, it fights in the All Stars, provided it didn't retire after series 6, where it faces a rematch in Razer and 13 Black, but I don't think 259 will survive the first melee.

Well, that's a huge change, especially for something as simple as keeping the self righting lance the same length. Well, that was my thoughts, what are yours? RelicRaider (talk) 20:35, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Mortis in Wild Card Warriors
What if Mortis had fought Axe Awe as originally planned, and not Panic Attack?
 * Not much different. Mortis would have won. Nothing else really. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 09:24, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

What if X Terminator beat Corkscrew in Series 5?
How far do you reckon X-Terminator's 5th Wars journey would have gone if the judges had gone for them instead of Corkscrew? What if their battery hadn't failed? What do you reckon would have happened? 80.111.172.25 22:43, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * They would have been beaten by Dominator 2, and not seeded in Series 6, so not much would have changed. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 07:48, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Series 5, Heat B, Round 2
If Hypno-Disc and Atomic weren't drawn against each other before the heat final, and Hypno Disc fought Bulldog Breed, and Atomic fought Lambsy, how do you reckon it would have gone down? 80.111.172.25 21:10, November 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Atomic would've won against Lambsy and Hypno-Disc probably would've won against Bulldog Breed and then Atomic would've lost to Hypno-Disc. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:20, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Series 6, Heat F, Round 2, Fluffy vs Stinger
What would have happened if Fluffy had kept hitting Stinger, enough times to immobilise it, and Stinger's wheel never got back working again, meaning Fluffy, not Stinger, was thought to the Heat Final to face 13 Black. What do you reckon would have happened? 80.111.172.25 21:34, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * If Fluffy beat 13 Black, Firestorm 4 would've beaten it. Fluffy would then lose Wild Thing and Dantomkia. If 13 Black beat Fluffy, nothing changes. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:41, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

But what if, if he beat 13 Black, he goes to the Semi Finals and goes for the back of Firestorm instead if facing Firestorm from the front? 80.111.172.25 21:44, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Firestorm turns around and flips Fluffy again. Lots of things could be different if the well driven robot was badly driven. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 21:55, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

And then in the play off with Dantomkia and Wild Thing, how do you think it would go down? 80.111.172.25 23:24, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * See Sam's comment. You've written a few things on this wiki now, you should register. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 08:42, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Behemoth won the First World Championship
The Razer vs Behemoth battle was oh so close, and either robot could have won it, both during the battle and in the judges decision. Say Behemoth just edged it, what would happen?

Well firstly, Behemoth would have been 3rd seed and Razer 6th for Series 4. Behemoth would have blasted through round 1 of Heat B, probably disposing of Robochicken. Milly-Ann would be a walkover, and Pussycat would struggle to get Velocirippa, but would win in the end. Both seeds would struggle, but using votes in Ragnabot to decide because it would be close, Pussycat would win. Heat N would include Razer. AAT is more a shape to be crushed, so Razer and Rambot go through. Judge Shred 2 wouldn't stand a chance and XT2 would be able to beat Rambot. In the final, XT2 would fall to Razer. Semi-Final 1 would pan out normally, but Semi Final 2 would see Razer face Wild Thing. If they won that without breakdown, the run of play says Razer would face Hypno-Disc, but I think the producers would want to avoid that. I think Panic Attack is the only robot of the three second round Semi-Finalists that Razer could beat in the Series 4 guises. But for arguments sake, we'll say they fought Hypno-Disc, which I think would go in H-D'd favour. The final would pan out as it did.

What do you think? J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 11:06, January 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Agree with most of that, expect I think Rambot would be more likely to go out to Razer than Arnold A. Hogwild94 (talk) 12:15, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Firestorm 5 beats Storm 2
I've seen a few people on here speculate Firestorm could've beaten Storm 2 had the front strip not come off. How would the Series 7 Grand Final have gone if they'd manage to get a killer flip and turn Storm 2 over, and thus won the match?

Well, lets presume they'd have kept the top two seeds apart in the Grand Final. Lets say Firestorm plays X-Terminator, and Tornado Typhoon 2. I think Tornado would've been too much for Typhoon 2, and would've got them in the pit, while Firestorm would've been controlled enough to dodge X-Terminator's disc, and turn it over, and not make the Tsunami mistake. The resultant third place play-off would be a repeat of what actually happened in the real match between the two.

As for the final, I'm going to presume Firestorm will get a killer flip on Tornado, and not make the mistake of righting it they did in Series 6. Firestorm manages to out-manoeuvre Tornado, and pit them, to take the title. Tornado follows Razer in coming second the year after winning.

My views; any other thoughts? Hogwild94 (talk) 12:23, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Storm 2 pitted in New Blood
In Storm 2's first round melee in the New Blood, it very nearly drives into the pit, but just stops in time, leaving Direct Action to go out. What if it had fallen in and been eliminated? How would that have affected the rest of the New Blood and, by extension, the Seventh Wars? Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:58, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

My personal view: in round 2, Direct Action beats Chopper, I can't see Chopper doing a great deal of damage and Direct Action's disc is pretty powerful. Heat final, ICU's ariel only needed one hit from Storm 2 to come off, Direct Action should be able to match that. In the Grand Final eliminator, Direct Action faces Thor, and here its luck runs out, Thor's hammer should get through the 6mm nylon armour fairly easily. Playoff, it's a tricky one, both robots have good weapons but exposed wheels... I'm going to say a scarred Direct Action takes third over Cedric Slammer, with the more powerful weaponry getting a few hits on the framework and getting through to the wheels. In the final, Mute against Thor. Mute's armour should stand up to Thor's hammer, and I'm not sure how easily Thor can self-right, so Mute is the New Blood Champion and takes the 16th seed spot.

So, the Seventh Wars, and this requires a bit of jiggery-pokery: Mute as the 16th seed now goes in Storm 2's heat, heat I, leaving a gap in heat L. I'm going to suggest that Direct Action would fill in there; Storm 2 would be a complete unknown, losing in the first round of New Blood, so the third place robot would probably go in instead.

Heat I: in the 'Heat of Doom', Mute faces Rhino, Supernova, and Mayhem. Mute doesn't have the killing power of Storm 2, but I don't think Rhino can self-right, so over goes Rhino, it and Mayhem go out, leaving Mute and Supernova to go through. Mute faces Trax, and should be able to control the battle in much the same way Storm 2 did, pushing it around, getting flips in, and winning on the judges' decision. Supernova against The Steel Avenger, and I think the Sri Lankan machine has it, The Steel Avenger is hardy but enough damage will be caused to it for Supernova to go through. The heat final, and... I really don't know, Mute's armour is very hard, I don't recall seeing much damage at all done to it, and it's also pretty reliable, I'm not sure Supernova's disc will worry it too much. I'm going to give the seeds the benefit of the doubt.

Heat L: Direct Action in a melee with Judge Shred 3, Corkscrew Two, and Demolition Man. Corkscrew Two goes in the same way as before, and I believe Direct Action's disc is better than Demolition Man's, and it'd also stand up better to being flipped by Judge Shred. Direct Action faces Behemoth in round 2, and that's the end of the line I think, Behemoth can stand up to the disc better than most and the axe can go through the armour pretty easily. Heat final, and it's Judge Shred 3 against Behemoth. Another tricky one, Judge Shred is the more competent self-righter, but Behemoth is lower and has the axe... Behemoth edges it when Judge Shred runs out of gas, it looked a bit vulnerable to that.

Semi Final: Behemoth faces Firestorm 5, pretty simple result seeing as Behemoth really can't self-right that easily, Firestorm takes it. Mute goes against The Grim Reaper, and I think has the lower front and the marginally better flipper, Mute through by the judges. So, Firestorm against Mute, we've seen that one, Firestorm in the Grand Final, and that scenario is being discussed further up.

What does everyone else think? Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:26, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Chaos 2 beating Dantomkia in Series 6
How do you think Series 6 would have gone if Chaos 2 had been able to get under Dantomkia and flip them out of the arena, as opposed to the other way around? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:53, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably the same as Dantomkia, to be honest. I can't see Chaos 2 standing up to S3's disc that well. However, in the loser's melee, it only takes one flip on 13 Black to put it out, and Wild Thing is very easy to throw around in its Sixth Wars guise. 13 Black did put Chaos 2 out of commission in the All-Stars, but then it was focussed on Razer really and 13 Black could attack the sides and back easily: here, there's probably take 13 Black as the main threat and target them. That'd put them against Razer, and that'll be where the run ends. Razer has faced many flippers, and most of them didn't even force it to self-right. Chaos 2 didn't really improve from their encounter in the First World Championship, whereas Razer got lower and more reliable. Rest of the series plays out as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 18:36, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * After that, Chaos 2 go into Dantomkia's spot in the All-Stars and Panic Attack take Choas 2's spot. I'll let someone else play it out. Also, Dantomkia probably wouldn't have become my favourite bot. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 18:46, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Well, Panic Attack faces Razer and 13 Black. Those skirts and forks look very vulnerable to 13 Black's discs, I think Panic Attack is out, so same as before. In Chaos 2's new heat, it faces Terrorhurtz and Tornado... Tough one, but I think it could easily go the way it did when Dantomkia was present, sending Terrorhurtz out. Chaos 2 faces Firestorm, which is lower and has improved dramatically from their Series 3 meeting, so Firestorm through, and the tournament continues as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:03, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * S3 hates Wdges with a burning passion. It beat DTK only because of a driving error that got it stuck in an angle grinder. CHaos 2 to OOTA it quite easily.  The losers' melee should be interesting, I'll back 13 Black to win it by breaking one of S3's exposed wheels.  Now, it's impossible to tell who would face whom, but Razer has beaten all three of these bots in one-on-one, and the popular opnion is that Firestorm could beat Chaos 2 - and we know it can beat 13 Black, so same Grand Finalists. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 21:16, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * The likliest draw would be Razer vs 13 Black and Firestorm 4 vs Chaos 2. They wouldn't put the winner of the melee straight back against the robot that beat it beforehand, and they'd surely want to keep the highest ranked seeds separate for as long as possible. CrashBash (talk) 22:36, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Invertabrat working properly in series 4
What would have happened if Invertebrat had not got stuck on its lifting arm in its battle against The Creature and Berserk 2?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 15:51, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would imagine The Creature would go out in the melee, its weaponry was a bit feeble and the armour wasn't great either, so Invertebrat goes through in its place, but then is outclassed by Gemini. Maybe not an OotA, but I can't see Invertebrat delivering a killer blow or any real aggressive action to Gemini. Rest of the heat continues as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:51, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Pussycat beating Firestorm in series five semi finals
Firestorm won the judge's decision even though Pussycat had a late comeback. What if Pussycat had won, and was through to the Grand Final? I reckon it would beat Razer for a third time, putting them in the play-off. Then, Razer would put up a good fight against Hypno-Disc, but H-D would do considerably more damage, and with the disc in the way of the piercer it's hard to do much damage meaning Hypno-Disc would come third and Razer fourth. Now onto the grand final, it's Bigger Brother or Pussycat. Hard to say, really, BB could just get them out of the arena, take the title, and it would be all over. What does everybody else reckon? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:22, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Agree with Pussycat against Razer, Pussycat nicks a wheel and it's all over (although if Razer grabs and just pits instead of barbecuing it first...). The play-off, I don't really want to call, both robots could critically damage the other if given the chance. The Grand Final, Bigger Brother's seriously hard armour should hold off the Pussycat blade, and Pussycat is pretty easy to throw around. I think Bigger Brother takes the battle and the series with a close judges' decision. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:29, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Stock Robots not throwing the trials
As we know the stock robots dominated the gauntlet and then threw the trials. What would happen if they didn't deliberately eliminate themselves?--SpaceManiac888 (talk) 19:23, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's already got a section. 80.111.172.25 19:26, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * I mean as if they were allowed to qualify for the arena.--SpaceManiac888 (talk) 19:33, March 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Lets see. Grunt may have beaten Shogun, but it might not have. If it did, they would be destroyed by Killertron. No change. No Dreadnaut, so WYSIWYG faces the heavier Wedgehog and wins. No change again. Here stuff changes. T.R.A.C.I.E. is knocked out, so The Mouse battles Prince of Darkness. I think The Mouse could win that battle, but not the battle with Skarab. Roadblock still take the title. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 19:48, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

Series 7, The Alien stays mobile
How would the 7th series gone down if, in the Heat D, The Alien never had his safety link knocked out? Would they have survived in the competition? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:40, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * 13 Black was not doing well in the melee when The Alien conked out, I think the seeds are out. However, against Gravity, I can't see The Alien winning, Gravity has killing power in spades and is surprisingly hardy, it took no damage from 13 Black, at least. Rest of the heat plays out as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:44, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Big Nipper beats Grim Reaper
What would have happened if the Big Nipper was named winner of that heat final, and not The Grim Reaper? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:26, March 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * I really like Big Nipper, but I can't see it beating Storm 2. No change. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:27, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

Atomic pits Hypno Disc
How would series 5 have gone if the former runners-up had suffered a shock second-round loss?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:48, March 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that Atomic would beat Bulldog Breed, since it looked faster and had a more effective flipper blade. Bulldog Breed's Series 5 stat card said that it couldn't self right. Even if it was an error, I still see Atomic bulldozing Bulldog Breed into the pit.


 * In the Semi-Final, Atomic faces Firestorm. Graham Bone is a more experienced driver and I see him flipping Atomic around until it runs out of CO2 or gets pushed over the arena wall. I can see Atomic making a comeback in the loser's melee, getting around Wheely Big Cheese like Chaos 2 did, and getting some good flips in on Panic Attack to win the Judges' decision. In round 2, Firestorm fights Dominator 2 and Atomic faces Pussycat. Firestorm's armour was thicker than in Series 4, but Dominator 2's axe improved as well. It'll be a tightly fought grudge match, and I can see Dominator 2 pulling out a close win through aggression and making holes with its axe.

Meanwhile, Pussycat has usually never been a fan of being bulldozed by powerful rear hinged flippers (except Thermidor 2). I think that Atomic could potentially flip the cat out, if not it will take the Judges' decision.


 * The Grand Final, Razer vs Atomic. I think Atomic's title run comes to an end here. Razer hit its stride in Series 5, and has beaten many a great flipper. I see Atomic pierced and pitted. Meanwhile, we saw Dominator 2 beat Bigger Brother in Series 6. Bigger Brother had weaker armour in Series 5, so my thoughts are that Dominator 2 will immobilise BB for the win. Atomic manages to get some redemption in the Playoff by using its speed and wider front to bulldoze Bigger Brother and flip it out. The Final: Razer vs Dominator 2. I've thought for a long while that Dominator 2 was one of the few solid counters to Razer. It has a sloping shape with tough armour that the claw will struggle to gain any purchase on, and it has the weapon to rack up damage points on Razer. After a long hard battle, Dominator 2 wins the title on Damage and Aggression. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 22:19, March 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll agree up until the second round of the Semi Final, a fully fit Firestorm would beat Atomic (although something wasn't right in the real fight, Firestorm wouldn't ordinarily conk out after one hit from Hypno-Disc, but we'll ignore that) and a loser's melee is difficult to judge, but Wheely Big Cheese seemed to be limping and Panic Attack could get thrown around easily. However, I think Firestorm would avenge its series 4 defeat, it seemed lower in this series and could get under Dominator easier than before; if the last decision was very tight, and Firestorm's improved more than Dominator, I'd suggest a narrow win for Firestorm. Atomic against Pussycat... I really wouldn't like to call, to be honest, Pussycat would get bulldozed around more but could easily cause severe damage, and Atomic is only the series 5 model which seemed less potent... I'm going to leave that for others to decide. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:29, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

S3 fails to reach heat final of series 6
Sir Chromalot tried to lure S3 into the pit in their battle in Heat D. What would have happened if the 7th seeds had suddenly crashed out of the competition? How would the heat final against Shredder have gone?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:49, March 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting one. The Series 6 Sir Chromalot was by far the best iteration, and the S6 Shredder wasn't at its best. I think it'd be close, but Sir Chromalot should stand up to Shredder's discs and flip it enough times to take the decision on aggression. In the semi-final, Chromalot faces Dantomkia, and I think Dantomkia will outclass the Class Act here, Chromalot is too susceptible to running out of gas against a flipper as good as Dantomkia. In the loser's melee, however, against Wild Thing and 13 Black, I think there could be an upset. If it goes as it did, and Wild Thing pits itself, 13 Black is quite susceptible to flippers, and Sir Chromalot looked as if it took hard knocks pretty well, it didn't break down after getting battered by S3, after all. I think if Sir Chromalot gets a flip in on 13 Black, which is quite likely, its flipper was pretty good, it'll be through. So Sir Chromalot through to face Razer, and there it's the end of the road I think, if Dantomkia didn't even force Razer to self-right I can't see Sir Chromalot doing that. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:09, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

And after that I can see Sir C being in the Extreme 2 All Stars and being seeded in the 7th Wars. But we never saw the Series 7 model in action so I don't know how that will go...Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:20, March 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * In the All-Stars I can't see it doing too well at all, it'd be against Firestorm and Bigger Brother if it replaced S3, two very good flippers that I can't see Sir Chromalot beating. However, because it's in the All-Stars, I doubt it'd enter the Challenge Belt as well, so it wouldn't get destroyed by Matilda, so it would be the same (or an improved) machine as the Series 6 version, which would make things interesting... Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:23, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be a more interesting situation if S3 was instead immobilised by Mr. Psycho, which nearly happened. Still, Armadrillo wouldn't get past Sir Chromalot. I can see Sir Chromalot getting past Shredder, but I can't imagine Wild Thing pitting itself without having Dantomkia to run away from. I don't think Sir Chromalot is capable of beating 13Black either, so that's the end of the run. Toast Ultimatum  20:41, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Mute wins New Blood
This is quite similar to the last scenario I posted, with Storm 2 going out in the first round, but the outcome should be slightly different. The judges' decision in the New Blood final was very tight and could have easily gone the other way: what if it had? Mute gets the 16th seed, what impact would this have had on Series 7? If Storm 2 fills the gap left by Mute, what happens there? Would such a fuss have been made over Storm 2? We know the producers didn't like it, and without getting the seeding the team wouldn't necessarily have to be allowed to qualify, would it even have been allowed to compete? I have my own opinion on it, but I'd be interested to know what other people think before I post my thoughts. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:28, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Mute beats the robots that Storm 2 did to win its heat. Storm 2 does the same. Not much change.Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:45, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

It's not really as simple as that though... Is Storm 2 even allowed in? If it is, will it just blitz through the heat? If not, what is its replacement? Can Mute really beat the ones Storm 2 did? And what happens in the semi-final? Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:50, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

My own thoughts: Mute takes the 16th seed spot, and I explored that in the Storm 2 going out first round scenario, I think it could get through the melee with Supernova, Mute beats Trax, Supernova beats The Steel Avenger, Mute beats Supernova (that one is debatable). I'm going to suggest that Storm 2 does enter the Seventh Wars with the lifter and takes Mute's spot in heat L. In the first round, Storm 2 could quite easily take out Demolition Man and a not-spinning Corkscrew Two, going through with Judge Shred 3. Behemoth is an interesting fight, Behemoth might actually be lower at the front, that bucket practically scraped the floor, but ultimately Storm 2 has too much power and goes through. Judge Shred 3 should be fairly straightforward for Storm 2, they shouldn't be able to get underneath.

Semi Final, and it's a reversal of what actually happened, Mute faces The Grim Reaper and Storm 2 fights Firestorm 5. I think Mute just has the beating of The Grim Reaper, the flipper's slightly better and it can get underneath easier. It'd be tight, but Storm 2 beat Firestorm in the real series so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, so Mute fights Storm 2 again. It could go the same way, but I think the lifting arm just gives Storm 2 the edge this time. Storm 2 into the Grand Final, so ultimately it's the same result... Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:53, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Fourth Wars: Bigger Brother self rights against Bulldog Breed
What if Bigger Brother had been able to self right and didn't suddenly crash out of the competition. How would series 4 have turned out?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:37, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, this is really dependent on whether Bigger Brother can beat Bulldog Breed even if it does self-right. For the purposes of this, though, I'll assume it will, or else there'll be no change whatsoever. I would suggest that with Bigger Brother in probably its weakest form and Stinger at its best, I think Stinger takes the heat final on damage, or maybe immobilises Bigger Brother. I'm not even sure that Bigger Brother would win in its most recent form, so I don't think it really stands a chance against Stinger in this form. Rest of the series plays out as normal. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:40, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

S.M.I.D.S.Y. beats Chaos 2
Something I'm surprised hasn't been brought up at all: what if S.M.I.D.S.Y. had been given the judges' nod in series 5 instead of them deciding on a rematch? What would have happened in subsequent series with the seeding and everything? Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:43, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * S.M.I.D.S.Y. would've fought Wild Thing in the Semi Final. Wild Thing would probably win as it is more persistent in its pushing and is more than capable of causing damage to the side of the Cybernet bot. S.M.I.D.S.Y. might cause damage to Wild Thing but that would require S.M.I.D.S.Y. to show its back end to Wild Thing, allowing Wild Thing to push its foe around. Sam (BAZINGA) 18:04, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * So Wild Thing goes through. S3 takes the losers melee, and Wild Thing faces Bigger Brother. Bigger Brother would win that one. No change in the end then. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 22:15, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Seedings would change for series 6 though, which would make things interesting. I'm not really sure how, though, because it's not as simple as swapping Wild Thing and Chaos 2 and bumping Tornado for S.M.I.D.S.Y., Chaos 2's two championships and then in this case a heat final probably count for more than Wild Thing's 3 semi finals... Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:25, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

The Morgue awarded win against Firestorm
If they had been awarded that controversial win, what do you reckon would have happened in the semis?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 15:56, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * The Morgue would have been pummeled by Dominator 2.
 * Are you sure one of them wouldn't have been drawn against a seeded robot?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:02, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably not, but if they were it'd be impossible to know what seed they'd face. I would imagine if they did shuffle the seeds around either Chaos 2 or Steg 2 would shift as that was the only all-seed tie in that semi-final. Chaos 2 would easily beat either, Steg 2 would defeat The Morgue easily but might fall to Dominator 2. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:07, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

Mute eliminated
Yep, another New Blood one: Mute pitted itself but Terror Turtle was deemed immobilised first, what if the judges had made the opposite call? Again I have my own opinion but I'd be interested to see what others think first. Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:53, April 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * This is assuming the line-up otherwise stays the same, which makes sense, considering the strongest robot in one melee usually fought the second strongest from the other melee. Therefore, Terror Turtle would likely have been drawn up against Mr Nasty, and it would have been a pretty convincing victory for the rambot. Mr Nasty then goes on to face Roobarb and whilst Roobarb might get some flips in, its high body and questionable armour allows for some nice little penetration from Mr Nasty's spike, who eventually takes the judges, provided it doesn't pit Roobarb first.
 * Come the Grand Final, Mr Nasty's luck runs out against Cedric Slammer. It wasn't that strong against heavy blows, and even then, there's the off-chance that Cedric might cut off its aerial. Either way, it falls here. In the playoff, Mr Nasty meets up with Thor, and is able to use its speed to keep away from Thor's hammer and eventually pit it. Cedric, on the other hand, fights Storm 2 and is unable to get its flywheel to use at all against Storm's wedge, whilst its own high ground clearance proves an easy target. In the end, Storm still does win.
 * No idea as to what that would affect for Series 7, though. CrashBash (talk) 12:11, April 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * For Series 7 I would work under the assumption that the other Grand Finalist would fill Mute's position, I doubt a first round drop out would be likely to return, but Mr Nasty wouldn't be allowed in because of the moving weapons rule, and Cedric Slammer didn't attempt to enter Series 7 apparently, so I don't know who would fill that position... Maybe Cedric Slammer would have been encouraged to return or something? Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:16, April 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with how the rest of the New Blood would go. If Cedric Slammer was encouraged by a slightly more successful run, it might have made it into/been allowed into series 7. For Mr Nasty, let's just say that for the sake of this hypothetical scenario it kept the front spike, but added a small moving weapon (such as a drill) that wouldn't make much difference to how it would perform in battle. Assuming that Cedric Slammer and Mr Nasty get put in Mute and Thor's heats, here's how I think things would go.


 * Cedric Slammer would be in Heat L. I see it tearing into Demolition Man's armour and immobilising it, while Judge Shred 3 flips Corkscrew Two Oota. In round 2, Cedric Slammer faces Behemoth, and I'm afraid that it will advance no further. Behemoth is just too solid for the spinner, and its scoop will slide right under the front prongs allowing it to flip Cedric again and again. Behemoth fights Judge Shred and I think it can finally get the second semi-final place it's been dreaming of all these years. Behemoth's scoop practically touches the floor and I can see it picking up Judge Shred 3 using the scoop and axe, before dumping it over the arena wall. In the semi-finals however, Firestorm just overwhelms Behemoth and throws it around, getting it stuck against the side wall before throwing the bulldozer Oota.


 * Meanwhile, Mr Nasty is in Heat D. Gravity would probably still view Hydra as the most potent threat and flip it around. Meanwhile Hodaf The Bad tries to get its flipper into play, but Mr Nasty is too nippy and rams into the bulky machine, making some holes in the side armour and earning valuable damage points. If Gravity breaks a camera by throwing Hydra into it again, then the Judges vote Gravity and Mr Nasty through. If Hydra flys Oota without breaking a camera, then I reckon Hodaf would either eventually break down from Mr Nasty's attacks or get thrown out by Gravity. In round 2, Mr Nasty faces Lightning, and like Cedric Slammer goes no further. Due to Lightning's sloped shape, the only place likely to be pierced by Mr Nasty's spike would be the rear of the machine (still pretty unlikely due to Lightning's tough armour). Considering Lightning's speed and agility, I don't see Mr Nasty getting that opportunity. Lightning will use its wedge to scoop Mr Nasty up and pit it after ramming it and throwing it around the arena for a bit.


 * If Thor entered Series 7, let's say that it replaces one of the cannon fodder robots. I can see it reaching round 2, maybe even a couple of heat finals in some of the heats (H and J come to mind if it can avoid St. Agro or Thermidor 2 until the end/slyly avoid them in the round 1 melee). The only Heat I think that Thor had a shot at winning was B.


 * Another hypothetical scenario; Thor is a reserve for the series, and gets put in Heat B as a substitute for Terrorhurtz. In round 1 I think that it would target the bulky, cumbersome Killerkat, and immobilise it with several hammer blows. Meanwhile, Gyrobot is too low for Jackson Wallop's spinner, and takes its wheels off. Round 2, and Thor fights Big Nipper. I see Big Nipper getting some shoves in, but Thor could beach it on its wedge and hammer the flat top. The Judges put Thor through on damage and aggression. The Heat Final is a closely fought one, with Grim Reaper getting a couple of good flips in, but Thor smashes the top polycarb panels. Another Judges' Decision, and Thor goes through to the Semi-Finals on damage. There however, Storm 2 just slams Thor into oblivion. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 15:29, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

The Brute in World Championship
The Brute had to pull out because The Revolutionist damaged it badly in season 1. What if it was able to compete and Drillzilla never competed? How do you think the 2nd World Championship would've gone down? We would definitely have had a different runner-up.Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:15, April 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Brute would have been in the same rumble as Firestorm, most likely. That being the case, I think it'd be an easy win for Firestorm, considering Brute's small size, ineffective weaponary and high ground clearance. That'd put it up against Manta, and Firestorm would eventually come out on top flipping Manta over. Then it'll be an all-UK final, and...well, it's Razer, we all know what happened then. Cue even MORE posts claiming how it was "rigged" for Razer to win....CrashBash (talk) 20:28, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Wild Thing vs Hypno-Disc
Wild Thing vs Hypno-Disc was such a tightly fought and close battle. According to Wild Thing's entry in the Fun Fax guide, it only lost the Judges' decision by one point. Supposing that Wild Thing just managed to do enough to pull off the upset, how do you think the Series 4 Grand Final (And by extension, Series 5 due to the different top seeds) would have gone?

I think that Wild Thing vs Pussycat would be a great battle. Pussycat is normally quite hard to get a hold of, but Wild Thing has the lance which can pin Pussycat against the wedge. Wild Thing is pretty solid and stood up to Hypno-Disc pretty well, so I can't see Pussycat's blade doing a lot of damage. After a long hard fight, the Judges put Wild Thing through on aggression.

The play-off occurs this time, and is Pussycat vs Stinger. I don't think that Pussycat's extra weight gave it a particular advantage in the Extreme encounter, and I think it would still beat Stinger on damage and control.

The Grand Final: Chaos 2 vs Wild Thing. Just like Series 5, this is a fast paced, exciting battle. Chaos 2 throws Wild Thing around a bit, but Wild Thing fights back with some shoves (more effective this time due to the disc not being there to block the wedge). It goes to the Judges, and Chaos 2's shoves combined with flips give it the win based on aggression.

This is what I think the resulting seedings for Series 5 would look like:

1. Chaos 2

2. Wild Thing

3. Pussycat

4. Stinger

5. Razer (Since the playoff happened this time, I think that the producers would keep the top 4 intact, but squeeze Razer into the high rankings)

6. Panic Attack

7. Hypno-Disc

8. Firestorm

9. 3 Stegs to Heaven

10-24: Same as in real life.

Heat A: Chaos 2 still wins (the S.M.I.D.S.Y. controversy may or may not happen).

Heat B: Pussycat cuts into Black Widow's legs and immobilises it. Atomic gets a few flips in, but Pussycat carves into its shell and takes the Judges' vote. In the Heat Final, Bulldog Breed wasn't quite the beast that flipped Pussycat out in the Tag Team Terror yet, and I see Pussycat tearing the Bulldog's link out.

Heat C: Razer vs Hippobotamus, ouch. Tell me you would not pay to see that! Razer chews the poor Hippo into tiny pieces, and then it traps and pierces yet another rear hinged flipper in General Carnage. We saw the Heat Final in the real Semi-Finals; Razer will once again crush S3.

Heat D: Hypno-Disc decapitates Bee-capitator (well, more like smashes it into oblivion). Sir Chromalot's wheel hub holds firm, but it breaks down under constant pressure from Hypno-Disc. Finally, Reactor gets its wheels smashed in.

Heat E: 3 Stegs to Heaven hits Trouble 'n' Strife with its disc a few times, but gets flipped around and gouged by Strife's rear disc. The Judges vote 3 Stegs out- a seed finally falls! Trouble 'n' Strife puts Napalm out of commission for good, but then falls foul of Prizephita Mach 2- I don't think it can self-right.

Heat I: Firestorm vs Eleven.... wow. This could be either hilarious or really boring: Eleven can't do anything to Firestorm, while Firestorm would probably just drive straight under Eleven half the time. The Judges eventually vote Firestorm through on aggression (bumping into Eleven's legs and tapping the underbelly with its flipper). Firestorm then throws Tetanus straight over and Oota. In the Heat Final, I see a repeat (or foreshadowing) of the Extreme 2 All Stars with Firestorm flipping Bigger Brother until BB runs out of gas.

Heat J: Panic Attack. Déjà vu, much?

Heat K: Stinger bashes Big Nipper until it breaks down, before mullering Widow's Revenge and whacking the boxy Rick to win the Heat.

Heat L: Wild Thing pits The Executioner, then rams Clawed Hopper until the Judges put it through. In the Heat Final, Wild Thing outlasts Fluffy due to superior endurance.

Semi-Final A: Firestorm vs Razer: We've seen this 3 times. Hopefully it would be like the entertaining encounter in the real series 5.

Chaos 2 vs Prizephita Mach 2: Chaos 2 chucks Prizephita Oota.

Stinger vs Spawn Again: Stinger bludgeons Spawn Again into submission; SA just couldn't take hard knocks around this era.

Loser's melee: Firestorm vs Prizephita vs Spawn Again. If Firestorm can be repaired in time, it takes this with utter ease by throwing the others around until they break down or run out of C02 to self-right with.

Round 2: Razer vs Stinger (avoiding rematches): Stinger takes this via the Judges: Razer just can't get a grip on it, and it aggressively whacks away at the World Champion.

Chaos 2 vs Firestorm: Chaos 2 has mostly sat still, while Firestorm has caught up massively. Firestorm flips Chaos 2 over and over until George Francis runs low on C02.

Semi Final B: Wheely Big Cheese vs Dominator 2: Same.

Pussycat vs Hypno-Disc: Hypno-Disc gets its revenge from the real Series 4; the wheel guards are a lot stronger this time around, and it did buckle Pussycat's blade before. Hypno removes Pussycat's wheels.

Wild Thing vs Panic Attack: Another grudge match. Both get some controlled shoves in, but Wild Thing swings the Judges through damage; buckling Panic Attack's forks.

Loser's melee: Wheely Big Cheese vs Pussycat vs Panic Attack. Pussycat buckles Panic Attack's forks leaving it unable to mount a proper offense, and rips into WBC's wheels. Pussycat then beats Panic Attack via the Judges again.

Round 2: Dominator 2 vs Hypno-Disc: Same.

Wild Thing vs Pussycat: Both robots deflect each other with their blades a couple of times, but Wild Thing gets a few good shoves in which give it the Judges' nod against Pussycat yet again.

Grand Final: Hypno-Disc vs Firestorm: Both of them got a victory against each other in Series 5, it's tough. Firestorm looked like it had a loose connection in the Semi-Finals (Graham Bone said before the loser's melee that there were things wrong with the machine that they didn't notice before going into the Hypno-Disc fight), but was able to pit Hypno-Disc without the flipper working in the Play-off. If Firestorm plays it smart, I can see it pitting Hypno again with some superficial damage sustained.

Stinger vs Wild Thing: Wild Thing won't be able to get an effective shove in, so Stinger gets the Judge's nod on aggression.

Play-off: Hypno-Disc vs Wild Thing. Grudge match. Wild Thing's disc hampered its ability to get opponents caught on the wedge in order to push them around, and Hypno-Disc's weapon got a bit stronger between the last series and this. I think it would win on damage.

Final: Firestorm vs Stinger. Bit of an unstoppable force meets an immovable object going on here. The two can't really launch effective attacks against each other, but Firestorm could push/flip Stinger away with the flipper, eventually guiding it into the pit. Firestorm wins!

So, how do you think the Series 4 Grand Final would go, and what do you think the resulting seeds would be like? Other changes could be made e.g. Mini Morg not being seeded 19 (It lost, got reinstated, won through a breakdown then lost again...... seriously?) MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 01:09, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

Better Health and Safety in the Pits
Ok, we know that the health and safety in the pits was pretty shocking, with More Panda-Monium dropped at one point causing the spike cannon to go off, forcing the removal of all side competitions in the Third Wars and prompting Rex Garrod's protest. What would have happened if the health and safety procedures were more stringent? I'm asking what would have happened in the side competitions, but more importantly Cassius 2 only withdrew from the International League competition because of it. Razer would not have been favoured nearly as much by the producers, it probably wouldn't be in the First World Championship, so no high seedings, so changes the face of every single war after the Third. So what happens? Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:33, April 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, it's speculation to say that Razer was only favoured by the Producers because of Rex Garrod retiring. It did win the Best Design award twice at that time, and the Razer website only said that they replaced Cassius in the International League, not the World Championship as well. If safety procedures were better, then Rex Garrod would most likely have stayed. I think Cassius would have been seeded for Series 4 having been twice a Grand Finalist despite going out in the previous war.


 * Let's say that for the sake of this hypothetical situation, there were no safety mishaps, Cassius 2 didn't have that blunder against Pussycat (since saying where exactly it could be anywhere in the lowers seedings otherwise- Team Cold Fusion below Cerberus?!?!) and the Heat structures for the next few wars stay as true to real life as they could be.
 * Cassius with more control could pit Pussycat. Then it would flip Scutter's Revenge to reach the Semi-Finals. Cassius would chuck 101 around and win on aggression. Against Hypno-Disc, it's tough to say. A fully working Hypno would have a good shot at tearing into Cassius, but by the time it fought 101, Hypno-Disc's weapon was pretty worn out. If Cassius can get one good early flip in, then it's over. Steg-O-Saw-us falls with one flip, and then the same happens to it against Firestorm in the playoff. Chaos 2 marks the end of Cassius 2's run. Chaos 2 is a lot easier to control and just has to stick its flipper blade slightly under Cassius to chuck it, while Cassius would have to charge and get right underneath. Chaos 2 wins, possibly with another oota.


 * Razer still fights in the World Championship and wins. Cassius 2 blitzes the International League; it quickly chucks Techno-Lease over, then does the same to Prometheus (If it doesn't break down) and Diotoir.

The resulting Series 4 seeds would look like this in my opinion:

1. Chaos 2

2. Cassius 2

3. Firestorm 2

4. Steg 2 (Hey, 4 2s in a row!)

5. Razer (Since the play-off happened, the top 4 would be intact, but the Producers would try to get Razer into the high rankings)

6. Panic Attack

7. Behemoth

8. Gemini

9. Hypno-Disc

10. 101

11. Wild Thing

12. Evil Weevil 2

13. Gravedigger

14. Bigger Brother

15. Wheely Big Cheese

16. Killerhurtz

17. King B3

18. Cerberus

The order onwards is the same except Pussycat is pushed down; Aggrobot 2 is bumped up to 19, Diotoir to 20, X-Terminator to 21. Pussycat is 22 (Runner-up with Bodyammer, but then lost in Gauntlet and Round 2), and the normal order resumes from Moris at 23 to Suicidal Tendencies at 32. Though, Spawn of Scutter could have a shot at a lower seeding.

Here's how I think Cassius 2 would do. Heat P- Predator looks more prone to toppling, so Cassius and Raizer Blade advance. V-Max gets the honour of meeting its inspiration.... and then gets chucked around before being pitted. In the Heat Final, Cassius disposes of Raizer Blade with a flip. Splinter then has a much more merciful fate than in real life and is merely flipped over.

For who Cassius would meet in the top 8, we look at the structure of Heats M and N. The seeds in what was truly M (since it and F were swapped around possibly to make Gemini fight Chaos 2 in the semis) would be Gemini and Berserk 2. Tornado still wins this.

Heat N, the seeds are Panic Attack and Pussycat. Panic Attack pits Rambot, while Pussycat cuts up Millenium Bug's legs. Panic Attack then carries Judge Shred 2 around the arena and into the pit, while the Extreme 2 annihilator final happens a year early with Pussycat beating Arnold Arnold Terminegger via the Judges. We saw Pussycat vs Panic Attack in Series 5, and I imagine that Pussycat would still win here.

In Round 1 of the semis, Pussycat faces Tornado. I think that Tornado can still do what it did to Pussycat twice in Extreme. It used the disc there and still survived Pussycat with some scars, so I can see it giving Pussycat some mighty slams, possibly removing a wheel again. The Judges put Tornado through, but then it falls to Cassius 2, who exploits its high ground clearance by chucking it around.

Cassius faces Hypno-Disc in the Grand Final eliminator (Hypno-Disc beat Henry 2, Shadow of Napalm, Dominator 2, Razer! and Firestorm 2 to get here), and Hypno-Disc gets its revenge. The disc is a lot stronger and more reliable this time, plus Hypno-Disc can self right. Hypno-Disc cleaves into Cassius' flipper when it fires it, then smashes the sides in to win.

Chaos 2 won its real heat, then beat Behemoth and Wild Thing to get here. Stinger had the same run as in real life until it fought Steg 2 in the top 8. Chaos 2 beats Stinger like in real life, then Stinger beats Cassius 2 in the play-off via the Judges on damage and aggression. In the final, it's a fight that everyone wanted to see; Chaos 2 vs Hypno-Disc with a Srimech. I think that Chaos 2 could still win this one. It's 10mm thick chassis is strong enough to take some hits from Hypno-Disc if it needs to, and it has the necessary speed and control to scoop Hypno up and throw it Oota. Chaos 2 wins!

Who knows what would happen beyond then?

The seedings for Series 5 looks like this in my mind (partly based on the priorities of the real list, could be extended to 32 robots):

1. Chaos 2

2. Hypno-Disc

3. Stinger

4. Cassius 2

5. Razer (It did reach the semis this time, plus the Producers would take the side competitions into account again).

6. Firestorm 3 (Won heat C easily, flipping Aggrobot 2 around in the Heat Final. defeated Thermidor 2 via the Judges before having its 3mm aluminium torn apart by Hypno-Disc).

7. 3 Stegs to Heaven (flipped S.M.I.D.S.Y. into the pit to win Heat O, then beat 101 before losing to Stinger).

8. Behemoth (round 1 semi-finalist after winning Heat D, veteran with first World Championship runner-up status).

9. Wild Thing (Won Heat F against Steel Avenger. Beat Wheely Big Cheese on the Judges in the semis, then lost to Chaos 2).

10. Tornado

11. 101 (Won Heat L by pitting Knightmare, but then got chucked around by Steg 2 in the semis).

12. Wheely Big Cheese

13. Pussycat (previous great success in Series 1, demoted a bit for crashing out in Series 2 and 3).

14. Panic Attack (Heat Finalist, but former champion).

15. Thermidor 2

16. Splinter

17. Gemini

18. Mousetrap 2

19. Dominator 2 (Heat Finalist and Annihilator runner-up).

20. Suicidal Tendencies (twice a Heat Finalist).

21. Aggrobot 2 (same, ST pushed above for generally better fights. While it wasn't in the real Series 5, it did try to qualify. Gets automatic entry for seeding).

22. The Steel Avenger

23. S.M.I.D.S.Y.

24. Bulldog Breed 3

MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 09:05, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

I think Cassius 2 would've been in the World Championship. Razer was only in the WC because it won the ILC. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:38, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Razer was in the ILC because Cassius 2 pulled out. There is nothing about Cassius pulling out of the WC as well, or Razer having to take its place there too.  ManU Crazy   (talk)  23:23, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Eric Pits King B2
What would've happened if Eric had successfully put King B2 in the pit instead of just driving in itself? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:53, April 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Eric would probably beat Weld-Dor; the axe won't do anything, and I can see Eric either tipping the Irish machine over,or hooking under it with the lifter and guiding it into the pit ala The Big Cheese. Eric will come up short against 101 though. Mike Franklin's great driving will allow him to shove Eric around easily, and 101 might even be able to make some small holes with the spike. The Judges put 101 through to the Semi-Finals on aggression. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 21:34, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Wheely Big Cheese out in Round 1
How would heat H of series 4 have gone if Prizephita had not been ruled immobilised, and Wheely went out instead. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Interesting one. Prizephita could probably beat Killerton in round 2. It wouldn't flip it, but the old Bin lid's axe has past its best and I see it ending up down the pit. Suicidal Tendencies beats Prizephita in the Heat Final through axing and pitting it. In the Semi-Finals however, Tornado bulldozes ST into submission. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 22:34, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hypno-Disc beat Behemoth in All-Stars
How would the All-Star Quarter Finals have gone down if that upset had not been pulled off? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:27, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Razer vs Hypno-Disc. The match up everyone wanted to see, everyone has their own opinion on how it would go, and no one's really sure how it would actually go. If Razer gets the first bite, it wins, if Hypno Disc gets the first hit in, it wins. I don't want to call it, but I'll put Hypno Disc through for the sake of this being different from the actual competition.


 * Hypno-Disc faces Firestorm, and whilst it won in series 5 (initially), something wasn't right with Firestorm, it shouldn't have just taken one hit and conked out. Seeing as it completely bossed the third place playoff without a flipper, I think Firestorm takes it. Firestorm vs Tornado in the final... Tornado won in series 6, but I think without the wedge Tornado is at a clear disadvantage, Firestorm can keep getting underneath and tipping it over, winning on the judges' decision. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:03, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * As much as I'd love to state my opinions, there's a time and a place for me to do so. CrashBash (talk) 19:30, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sixth Wars, Heat H
What if Spam pitted Spawn Again, not itselfVampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:51, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Supernova smegged themselves up in the heat final, they had problems. So Spam go through. Spam face Terrorhurtz in the next round and get obliterated. Losers Melee isn't a win, even if they get it fixed. Spam reach the Extreme 2 All-Stars. Up against Dominator 2 and Hypno-Disc, they get picked off. Say they did get the 7th seeds for series 7. ROTAS are the strongest in round 1 and go through with Chip. Chip are able to beat R.O.C.S. and face Raging Knightmare, who are beaten by the judges on damage. Chip vs Tornado is easy. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 21:17, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Supernova did have problems and only got a few hits in on Spawn Again in the Heat Final, but I have a feeling it could take care of Spam given that window of opportunity by shredding the wheels. Terrorhurtz upgraded its side armour after the Fluffy incident, but I think it would still be vulnerable to a shredding from Supernova. In the loser's melee, Terrohurtz and Bigger Brother immobilise Hypno-Disc before Terrorhurtz smashes up BB like in real life. To avoid a rematch, the round 2 draw is Tornado vs Supernova and Terrorhurtz vs Dominator 2. Tornado shoves Supernova into the arena walls from the Sri Lankan machine's sides, which causes it to fly away from the disc hitting the walls. Under the constant barrage of stress, Supernova breaks down. Meanwhile, Dominator 2 and Terrorhurtz aggressively flail away with their axes. Dominator 2 makes several holes and its shell holds firm under pressure from Terrorhurtz's axe. The Judges put Dominator 2 through to the Grand Final.


 * Tornado beats Firestorm, while Dominator 2 gets its wish and pulls off an upset against Razer, making several holes in the shell and resisting attacks from the crusher thanks to its thick sloping armour. Razer beats Firestorm in the playoff, before Tornado pits Dominator 2 in the final.


 * Without getting into the All-Star placement, here's the resulting Series 7 seeds: 1. Tornado 2. Dominator 2 (If it doesn't pull out) 3. Firestorm V 4. Terrorhurtz 5. Supernova 6. Dantomkia 7. Bigger Brother 8. 13 Black 9. Panic Attack 10. Pussycat 11. Spawn Again 12. Behemoth 13. X-Terminator 14. Bulldog Breed 15. Thermidor 2 16. Storm 2 MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 12:51, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Hypnodisc Wins 6th Wars Losers Mêlée
What if H-D, not Bigger Brother was through to the last eight to face Terrorhurtz? Now that would be a good battle, disc vs axe. I'd love to hear other people's opinions;here are mine: H-D and Terrorhurtz fight instead of Bigger Brother. Terrorhurtz if lucky could dent the disc, but personally I think Hypno would smash up its polycarbonate armour, putting it through to the final for the fourth consecutive time. There it faces Razer; Firestorm still faces Tornado. In the eliminator between HD and Razer, I'm afraid I can't see Razer doing any real damage, and I've read lots of people speculate that H-D can beat Razer, so it smashes and buckles the latter's wheel before it can really do anything. The resultant third place play off results in Razer coming third and Firestorm fourth; Razer would in all likelihood win. Then in the actual final, Tornado was seen beating Hypno Disc in the real semis, so with HD's disc so high up I can't really see it do anything, and Tornado could either pit it or, should it go to the judges, win on aggression.

This is how the seeds for the 7th Wars would look:
 * 1) Tornado
 * 2) Firestorm
 * 3) Bigger Brother
 * 4) Terrorhurtz
 * 5) Dantomkia
 * 6) Spawn Again
 * 7) 13 Black
 * 8) Panic Attack
 * 9) Pussycat
 * 10) Behemoth
 * 11) X-Terminator
 * 12) Bulldog Breed
 * 13) S.M.I.D.S.Y,
 * 14) Thermidor
 * 15) Ming
 * 16) Storm 2

The same as in real life, but two robots swapped. And in the series 7, Bigger Brother wins Heat B instead of The Grim Reaper who it beats in the heat final, Typhoon 2 still wins Heat O, BB loses to Storm 2 in the semi's, and the rest of the series plays out as normal. Unless BB is drawn against an unseeded robot instead...Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:26, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Tornado
What if Tornado never used its anti-crusher frame, etc? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:08, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Seeing as Razer defeated Tornado with ease every time the frame wasn't used, it's a bit of a foregone conclusion I'm afraid. The only competitions that would have changed as a result would have been the European Championship, so Razer goes through to fight Philliper 2 and probably wins- the crusher is more effective and the lifter won't do much- and the International Competition in US Season 2, where it faces General Chompsalot 2. I've never seen General Chompsalot fight, but those exposed wheels look very vulnerable, and the jaws won't gain much purchase on Razer. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:07, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Razer pits Tornado in Series 6
On a similar note to the above entry, here's a clash that could have changed a lot had it gone the other way. At the end of the Sixth Wars' final, Razer tried to dump Tornado over the pit, but couldn't let go. Had Razer been able to properly suspend Tornado with all of its wheels dangling over the pit, it would have been declared the winner of the battle. If Razer won and the team were convinced to enter Series 7 (wether the fallout in Extreme 2 happened or not), how would that series change?

First of all, this is probably how the seeds would look:

1. Razer

2. Tornado

3. Firestorm V

4. Terrorhurtz (may or may not be ready in time)

5. Bigger Brother

6. Dantomkia

7. Spawn Again

8. 13 Black

9. Panic Attack

10. Pussycat

11. Behemoth

12. X-Terminator

13. Bulldog Breed

14. S.M.I.D.S.Y.

15. Thermidor 2

16. Storm 2

The entire seeding system is bumped down a notch aside from Storm 2. Assuming that the non seeded robots in each Heat and the draw for the Semi-Finals remain the same, how does the series turn out? MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 12:32, May 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've just spent the last half an hour crafting a response to this, but I clicked on a link by accident and lost the whole thing. Damn it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:59, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a copy of it? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:59, May 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * No, I was just doing it on here... I had got to 13 Black's heat and was mentally debating 13 Black against Tough As Nails, went to check something about one of the robots and lost this page... Combatwombat555 (talk) 18:13, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

For the sake of a good argument, I'm going to assume two things. First, Terrorhurtz is properly prepared. Second, Thunderpants is replaced with Ming Dienasty. Otherwise, everything else is the same.


 * HEAT A: Razer easily takes out Saw Point 2 and takes out Devastator, perhaps seeing it as the biggest threat. Nothing changes in the second melee as Ming Dienasty is regretably ravaged by both spinners before Barber-Ous breaks down. Razer then treats Leveller 2 like any other flipper before evading Tetanus Booster's drum and crushing into it, ala its first few fights with Tornado.
 * HEAT B: Firestorm manages to flip Killerkat on its side and Jackson Wallop onto its back. It is drawn against Big Nipper and eventually gets it out of the arena, before treating The Grim Reaper to the same trip.
 * HEAT C: Bigger Brother teams up with King B Powerworks to defeat Rick and Hassock's Hog. It weather's Scorpion's blows long enough to flip it out of the arena before overturning IG-88 for an easy win.
 * HEAT D: Spawn Again easily deals with Herbinator and The Alien. Drawn up against Gravity, a very tactical battle develops, but eventually Spawn's lower ground clearance wins out and Gravity is flipped OOTA. Lightning is easily beaten due to flipper set-up.
 * HEAT E: Panic Attack narrowly survives the first round after Roobarb helps it beat Twister and Brutus Maximus. Its luck runs out against M2 who eventually flips it over. Rest of the heat proceeds as normal.
 * HEAT F: Behemoth helps dispose of Major Tom and Diabolus, and has no trouble at all with Killer Carrot 2. Against Tsunami, however, it is completely outmanuvered and flipped OOTA.
 * HEAT G: Bulldog Breed easily gets past Terror Turtle, Cygnus and Mean Streak, but Atomic's superior flipper lip gives it the win, and the OOTA.
 * HEAT H: Thermidor flips Metalis over, and eventually turns its attention to Scraptosaur, who isn't as good at self-righting as Ceros is. A close battle against St Agro follows, with Thermidor eventually taking the win after being able to better exploit the ground clearance. It uses the same advantage against Ceros until it gets stuck.
 * HEAT I: Nothing changes.
 * HEAT J: S.M.I.D.S.Y. chooses to defeat Mobot by pitting it, and treats 8645T just the same as before. It also manages to pit The Kraken before ramming Mighty Mouse around enough to get it down the pit.
 * HEAT K: X-Terminator destroys Jabber and Infernal Contraption (259 all over again) before immobilising Hard in one hit. It tears several chunks out of Kat 3's side to take the victory.
 * HEAT L: Pussycat chooses to take advantage of UFO's flipper not working rather than take out Crushtacean. Obviously Tartarus goes out, but the judges will most likely eliminate UFO. Pussycat is drawn against Mute, and finds itself in problems from the newcomer's flipper, which is too much like Firestorm's for its liking. I suspect it may unfortunately lose the judges decision. Judge Shred, meanwhile, manages to flip Crushtacean enough times to get it to the arena wall and then OOTA. Heat final plays as normal.
 * HEAT M: 13 Black manages to get past Spin Doctor and Edge Hog, but is unable to damage Tough As Nails at all, and is eventually pitted. Heat continues as normal.
 * HEAT N: Dantomkia defeats NEATer Machine, Chip and R.O.C.S., and manages to outmanuvere and outlast Raging Knightmare, getting it OOTA.
 * HEAT O: Terrorhurtz easily takes out Colossus and U.R.O., and lands numerous axe blows on Iron Awe 2.1, who can't do what it did to Bigger Brother because Terrorhurtz's frantic axe swings mean it can't be flipped too easily. Typhoon 2, however, is a different matter. A bit like Fluffy, anyone?
 * HEAT P: Tornado pits Bamm Bamm and Black & Blue, then does the same to Reptirron the Second and Ripper, putting some nice tooth-marks in the latter's paper-thin armour.
 * SEMI-FINAL 1: Razer beats Dantomkia in the same way it did the year before, as does Bigger Brother against Spawn Again. Tsunami is able to get its flipper underneath Thermidor's claws before throwing it OOTA, and X-Terminator is able to resist TAN's push and cause some minor damage with its flywheel, ultimately winning on aggression. In Round 2, Razer beats Bigger Brother as it did in the Series 5 Grand Final (minus the war wounds) and, as much as I'd love it to be different, X-Terminator vs Tsunami plays out the same way with the same mistake on the German machine's part.
 * SEMI-FINAL 2: Tornado manages to defeat Mute by pushing it more convincingly than Storm 2 did when they faced off. Typhoon 2 immobilises S.M.I.D.S.Y. with little effort. The battles between Storm 2 and Firestorm/Atomic and M2 play out as normal. Both the Round 2 matches also play out as they did when the robots actually fought.
 * GRAND FINAL: Typhoon vs X-Terminator plays out as normal. Razer vs Storm 2 (some fight, eh?) is very close, but eventually, Razer manages to win out with its uber-low-ground clearance (I'm pretty sure it's lower than even Storm's), and it uses its crusher to grapple, penetrate and pit the New Blood winners. Storm 2 beats the limping X-Terminator in the playoff pretty much the same way Tornado did. Razer faces Typhoon 2 in the final, and is completely overwhelmed - the cone is the wrong shape to grab and Typhoon's blades are low enough to catch the wheels. Eventually, Razer is hit in just the wrong place and the wheels lock up. Typhoon wins Series 7, in a much more convincing and fair way. CrashBash (talk) 18:20, May 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Totally agreed, the only minor differences was that I'd have put Gravity through against Spawn Again and St Agro beating Thermidor 2 by using the claws as a chock, but I can't argue with your logic. Kudos, that must have taken ages! Combatwombat555 (talk) 18:28, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Daisy competing
How would series 3 have gone down if Daisy entered the arena and Binky never competed?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:23, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't know how effective the 'skipping rope' weaponry was, but the original Aggrobot was huge and slanted, it'd have a job causing any damage whatsoever to it. Aggrobot is a bit slow and ponderous, and the weaponry is mounted too high to hit Daisy, but it should have the edge in a pushing battle. No real change. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:27, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Inshredable pitted in round 1
What if Inshredable had failed to escape from the pit? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:45, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * So that'd be Terror-Bull against Anarchy. I don't think Terror-Bull can't self-right from its side, and the armour's not too bad but Anarchy's axe is very good. Anarchy to win by knockout, so nothing changes. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:48, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Shredder not pitted in Fifth Wars
Shredder started aggressively against Mousetrap, but accidentally drove into the pit. What if it hadn't? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:59, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Shredder against S3. Shredder would be... well, shredded, it'd lose worse than it did in series 6. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:48, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Blade's Big Bruva & Trident in the Fourth Wars
These two were seeded but pulled out before the competition began. What if these robots didn't pull out and competed? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 13:02, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've always been curious about what Blade's Big Bruva looked like and why it and Trident had to pull out. It's hard to guess how well they would do since we don't know how different they were for this series, so I'm going off how they were in Series 3 for this scenario. First of all, I'd imagine that they would be seeded between Gravedigger and Big Brother. I'll give BBB 14 and Trident 15 (Blade looked a little bit more impressive in its heat to me). Blade fights Hammer and Tong and Clawed Hopper in round 1 of Heat J. Blade and H&T go through on a Judge's Decision after constantly ramming the walker. Blade fights Bulldog Breed 2 and even if it could self-right/run inverted for this series, I'd still back Bulldog Breed to keep flipping it to win via the Judges.


 * Trident fights Wheelosaurus and Prizephita Mach 2 in Heat H. I envision Wheelosaurus getting bashed into the pit/eliminated on a Judges Decision. Trident fights Killertron in round 2 and gives us one of the weakest axe vs axe fights in the series' history. It's fibreglass pricking axe vs plastic bin lid and axe past its prime vs weak shiny metal. The two robots would do minimal damage to each other, and I think Killertron's superior pushing power and scoop would be the winning factor, allowing it to pit Trident.


 * Now things get interesting. Centurion and Suicidal Tendencies were only seeded because Blade's Big Bruva and Trident pulled out, so the rest of the seeds get shunted down by 2. Also, the seeding order was wrong in Heats H and I; WBC was 15, so Centurion (31) should have been grouped with it instead of Centurion (31) to make a gap of 16 like the others e.g. Chaos 2 (1) and King B3 (17). Suicidal Tendencies was introduced as the 31st seed in the Northern Annihilator- a bit of behind the scenes mishap?


 * Anyway, in this scenario, we can assume that the seeds after Trident would be:

16. Big Brother 17. Wheely Big Cheese 18. Killerhurtz 19. King B3 20. Cerberus 21. Pussycat 22. Aggrobot 2 23. Diotoir 24. X-Terminator 2 25. Mortis 26. Berserk 2 27. Shadow of Napalm 28. Plunderbird 4 29. Sir Chromalot 30. Weld-Dor 2 31. Dreadnaught XP-1 32. Stinger


 * Bigger Brother in Heat I: Destruct-A-Bubble may be able to roll back onto its wheels, but it has nothing that it can really retaliate with. Bigger Brother and Eric through via the Judges. Bigger Brother fights Splinter and I see this being the exact opposite of the Series 5 encounter- Bigger Brother is a lot weaker, Splinter faster and I think its gas supply will be ruptured from repeated slams. Now, if we go by the proper order, Stinger would also be in Heat I. Stinger bludgeons Small Torque and Eric before coming up against Splinter. Splinter's front scoop actually held off Hypno-Disc for a while, so I can see it bulldozing Stinger around and winning the Judges' vote on aggression.


 * Wheely Big Cheese comes up against Medusa 2000 and Attila the Drum in Heat A. Attila stays out the way while WBC breaks Medusa with powerful flips. Chaos 2 and WBC throw Attila and Atomic Oota, respectively, before facing each other in a Grudge match. Sorry Roger, but you're still not gonna beat George this time. Remember that All-Stars battle? Imagine that, except WBC is less powerful and reliable this time. Chaos 2 through.


 * Killerhurtz axes Predator into submission in Heat P, before finishing off the limping Raizer Blade. Killerhurtz goes through to fight Hypno-Disc in the Heat Final, ouch. Imagine Dominator 2 in the Annihilator, except 10 times worse. Killy did survive Mauler in Battlebots, but there aren't any killsaws here to save it. Hypno-Disc rips Killerhurtz apart.


 * King B3 slams Reptirron into submission in Heat B, before doing the same to Robochicken. Heat Final time and while King B is a good robot, there's absolutely nothing it can do against Razer except hope that it breaks down (and King B was never the most reliable either). High ground clearance + 4 completely exposed wheels + polycarb armour = tasty snack for Razer before the Semi-Finals.


 * Cerberus in Heat O. Saw Point still immobilises Oblivion 2, before Cerberus comes up against Panic Attack. Head or no Head, the Cyprian Dog of the Underworld stands no chance against the Welsh Champion and gets swiftly pitted.


 * Bolt From the Blue and Ming 2 fight a far superior opponent to a weaponless Diotoir in Heat C this time; Pussycat. BFTB looked a more sturdy and lest suspect to spinning blades than Ming 2 for me, so I think Pussycat will cut into Ming 2's polycarb, before slicing the Morgue and beating it via the Judges. The Heat Final is an interesting one. Firestorm beat Pussycat in Series 4, but it's armour is quite a bit thinner here. I think that Pussycat will take this via the Judges.


 * Aggrobot 2 in Heat N, vs Judge Shred 2 and Millenium Bug. Decent rammer and axe/flipper vs slow walker, no prizes for guessing who wins here. Aggrobot 2 then fights Arnold A and pits it. In the Heat Final, Behemoth just keeps getting under Aggrobot's with scoop and Man-handling (or Bot-handling?) it. The Judges put Behemoth through to the Semis.


 * Heat D- Diotoir vs Mazakari and Iron Awe. As weak as Mazakari's disc is, I think it will still show enough damage and aggression by ripping away Diotoir's fur. Iron Awe axes away and eventually hits something vital due to the almost overweight Diotoir's lack of covers.


 * X-Terminator fights Invertabrat and The Creature in Heat F, and gives us a much more exciting fight this time thanks to its speed. If Invertabrat doesn't get stuck on its flipper, I think that its superior Tag Team partner will pit it. X-Terminator and Tornado would then have a great shoving match, which I think X-Terminator would get the upper hand in thanks to its front scoop, allowing it to control Tornado and get the Judges' vote. The Heat Final still doesn't go well for Gemini. Even though X-Terminator isn't invertible, its self-righting was at its best this year- look at how swiftly it self righted against Behemoth and in the Tag Team Terror, so it would recover from a flip quickly. I doubt that a Gemini twin would throw X-Terminator out on its own, so X-Terminator rams one into an arena spike just like Tornado did.


 * Mortis in Heat E vs Major Tom and Disc-O-Inferno. Disco either gets switched off again or Mortis knocks something loose. Mortis fights Dominator 2 and what an encounter that would be, the 2 best axes before Terrorhurtz. Both robots probably wouldn't cause that much damage to each other due to their tough armour, but Mortis would probably gain the upper hand by using its lifter and shoving Dominator 2 around. Mortis pits Dominator 2, before hacking away at 101 in the Heat Final, advancing to the semis on damage and aggression.


 * Berserk 2 in Heat L. I think it would play a similar role to Plunderbird 4: Sit back as Vercingetorix flips Fat Boy Tin, before being tipped over by Knightmare. If Berserk 2 can self-right, Knightmare pits it.


 * Heat M- Shadow of Napalm has a pretty slow paced battle with Scorpion and Reactor, with Reactor eventually turning Scorpion over like in real life. Shadow of Napalm fights Wild Thing a year early and gets immobilised with another hard slam.


 * Plunderbird 4 fights Sump Thing and Little Fly in Heat K, and pits Sump Thing. Plunderbird 4 uses its good pushing power again to put Mousetrap, before doing the same to Little Fly. The Plunderboys make the semis again!


 * Heat G- Sir Chromalot's wheel hub was pretty tough, so it could probably withstand Warhog until the Hog breaks down. Sir Chromalot's curse of losing in round 2 to the Heat winner applies this time however and Thermidor 2 flips it around until the Srimech tower breaks.


 * Weld-Dor fights in Heat J. I think that it and Bulldog Breed 2 would flip Spikasaurus until it gets stuck against the wall and wouldn't have enough momentum to roll back onto its wheels. Weld-Dor 2 then flips Hammer & Tong, but then Bulldog Breed beaches the Northern Irish machine on its side.


 * Finally, Dreadnaut XP-1 gets put in heat H and fights Maverick and Killertron. Dreadnaught might finally lift something here and put Maverick on its side, or Killertron immobilises the green machine. In the Heat Final, Prizephita defeats Dreadnaut with a flip.


 * Now, the Semi-Finals look like this IMO:


 * Semi 1:
 * Chaos 2 vs Steg 2= same
 * Prizephita Mach 2 vs X-Terminator= X-Terminator slams Prizephita into the Pit.
 * Thermidor 2 vs Razer= Razer crushes the Lobster and eats it in stew.
 * Pussycat vs Mortis= I agree with the consensus from Redone Series 4. Mortis will resist the blade, put holes in Pussycat and shove it around to win a Judges' decision.


 * Chaos 2 vs X-Terminator= We saw this in the All-Stars in Extreme. If X-Terminator couldn't beat Chaos 2 with a great weight advantage and stronger axe, what chance does it have here?
 * Razer vs Mortis= Another thing I agree with the Arena forum on. Mortis has rock hard armour and will hack away at Razer to immobilise it.


 * Semi 2:
 * Bulldog Breed 2 vs Plunderbird 4= The Dog flips Plunderbird
 * Spawn of Scutter vs Panic Attack= same
 * Hypno-Disc vs Splinter= the same absolute carnage.
 * Wild Thing vs Behemoth= Wild Thing is faster, but Behemoth's very low scoop will allow it to bulldoze the Adams family and constantly turn it over to get the Judges' nod.


 * Bulldog Breed 2 vs Panic Attack= Panic Attack either immobilises the Bulldog with a flip or pits it.
 * Behemoth vs Hypno-Disc= I think this would play out like the All-Stars battle.


 * Grand Final:
 * Chaos 2 vs Panic Attack= A fight I'm sure everyone wanted to see. I'm going for the upset and will say that Panic Attack wethers some flips before carrying Chaos 2 around and pitting it.
 * Behemoth vs Mortis= Deja vu, anyone?


 * Playoff- Chaos 2 vs Mortis: Chaos 2 recovers some glory by flipping Mortis Oota.


 * Grand Final- Panic Attack vs Behemoth. This fight happened very recently in real life, with Behemoth winning. Even without years and years of upgrades, I think that this version of Behemoth could still bulldoze Series 4 Panic Attack around and flip it, either getting it Oota or stranding it on a wall. Behemoth is the Champion! MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 17:13, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Series 4, Heat K
And while on the subject of the Fourth Wars, what would've happened if Evil Weevil had stayed mobile? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:41, May 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Mousetrap gets eliminated. Weevil would probably face the easiest opponent in Round 2, which I believe to be Sumpthing.  It wins when Sumpthing breaks down.  However I think it's not well controlled enough to beat Little Fly in the heat final.  Little Fly's blade get smashed by Stinger in the semifinals and it loses there. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 22:43, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Hypno-Disc beat Bigger Brother
What if Hypno-Disc had beaten Bigger Brother but lost to Razer? One thing I can think of is the heats would have swapped so Hypno-Disc would have fought in the last heat and Bigger Brother in the penultimate heat.

If Razer beat Hypno-Disc

 * Heat K: I can see Bigger Brother beating 4x4 and Granny's Revenge 2 easily. Bulldog Breed might cause a problem but I think Bigger Brother could beat it so it fights Barber-Ous 2 again. Bigger Brother would probably reverse at the drum and slam it into and onto the wall where it would be trapped and Bigger Brother can simply flick it out.
 * Heat L: Hypno-Disc would be able to destroy Riptilion and Major Tom before damaging Killer Carrot 2. Round 2 would see Hypno-Disc fight Behemoth, a fight which Behemoth won before and win again. Behemoth would probably deal with Disc-O-Inferno the same way as Hypno-Disc, meaning Behemoth makes the semi-final for a second time.
 * Semi-final 2: Bigger Brother would have fought Tornado, a fight which Bigger Brother won in Extreme 2, so Tornado is relegated to the losers melee. Dominator 2 also has a different foe, Behemoth, which it would defeat by axing it until it hits something important. Losers melee is now Tornado, Behemoth and Spawn Again. Tornado would win. Round 2 would see Bigger Brother fighting Dominator 2, which Dominator 2 would win and Terrorhurtz fighting Tornado, a fight won by Tornado.
 * Grand final: In the eliminators, Razer would fight Tornado, where it Razer would win, and Firestorm 4 would fight Dominator 2, a fight I reckon Dominator 2 could win by causing more damage again. Play-off is now Tornado verse Firestorm 4, which Firestorm 4 would probably lose by being pitted. The final is now Razer verse Dominator 2, a fight many have wanted, where Razer is unable to bring its claw into use and Dominator 2 pepper pots Razer's armour leading to Razer losing the title of champion.

If Hypno-Disc beat Razer, this is the outcome of series 6

 * Heat A: Hypno-Disc dominates the first round, destroying W.A.S.P. and Brutus Maximus. Cyrax is torn up and Raging Reality shredded in the heat final.
 * Heat K: I can see Bigger Brother beating 4x4 and Granny's Revenge 2 easily. Bulldog Breed might cause a problem but I think Bigger Brother could beat it so it fights Barber-Ous 2 again. Bigger Brother would probably reverse at the drum and slam it into and onto the wall where it would be trapped and Bigger Brother can simply flick it out.
 * Heat L: Razer would be able to immobilise Riptilion and Major Tom before damaging Killer Carrot 2. Round 2 would see Razer fight Behemoth, a fight which Behemoth lost before and will lose again. Disc-O-Inferno would destroy Razer however in the heat final.
 * Semi-final 1: Hypno-Disc would destroy Wild Thing before being sent out by Dantomkia in round 2.
 * Semi-final 2: Bigger Brother would have fought Tornado, a fight which Bigger Brother won in Extreme 2, so Tornado is relegated to the losers melee. Dominator 2 also has a different foe, Disc-O-Inferno, which it would defeat by axing it until it hits something important. Losers melee is now Tornado, Disc-O-Inferno and Spawn Again which Tornado would win. Round 2 would see Bigger Brother fighting Dominator 2, which Dominator 2 would win and Terrorhurtz fighting Tornado, a fight won by Tornado.
 * Grand final: In the eliminators, Dantomkia would fight Tornado, where Dantomkia would win, and Firestorm 4 would fight Dominator 2, a fight I reckon Dominator 2 could win by causing more damage again. Play-off is now Tornado verse Firestorm 4, which Firestorm 4 would probably lose by being pitted. The final is now Dantomkia verse Dominator 2, a fight many have wanted, Dantomkia would be able to topple Dominator 2 before tossing it over the wall.

I'm not going to say how that would affect series 7 but it does seem that series 7 would be very different. Sam (BAZINGA) 19:03, May 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * In your Hypno-Disc beats Razer scenario (Which I think could happen if the Series 5 versions of both machines came to blows), this is what the seeds for Series 7 would look like IMO:

1. Dantomkia 2. Dominator 2 (No faults) 3. Tornado 4. Firestorm V 5. Hypno-Disc (Might still be absent due to the real-life work and family commitments). 6. Bigger Brother 7. Terrorhurtz 8. Spawn Again 9. Disc-O-Inferno 10. 13 Black 11. Panic Attack 12. Pussycat 13. Behemoth 14. X-Terminator 15. Bulldog Breed 16. Storm II


 * If Hypno-Disc is still absent, then everyone below except Storm 2 gets bumped up and S.M.I.D.S.Y. receives the 15th seeding. If Hypno is present, and the real life draw remains the same, then:


 * Heat A (Or E if the broadcast order is still swapped): Dantomkia sees Devestator as the biggest threat and throws it Oota while Ewe 2 pits Saw Point. Dantomkia then easily throws Leveller 2 and Tetanus Booster out.


 * Heat B: Tornado uses the scoop in round 1 because of Killerkat, learning from what Diotoir did to the drum in Series 5. Tornado slams the cat into submission, while Gyrobot hacks into the higher Jackson Wallop's wheels. Tornado then storms through the rest of the Heat by pitting Big Nipper and Grim Reaper.


 * Heat C: Hypno-Disc has some nice juicy, boxy targets in Round 1. Hypno goes for Hassocks Hog first, tearing off the side armour plates and killing the motors. King B pushes Rick around for a bit, but then has its wheels torn off by Hypno-Disc. In round 2, we see a huge upset. Scoprion manages to resist blows from Hypno-Disc with its tough armour, and manages to tear off Hypno-Disc's exposed wheels. IG-88 immobilises Rick, and then finishes what it started in Round 1 by smacking Scorpion into submission.


 * Heat D: Terrorhurtz goes for Herbinator and absolutely hammers the poor Beetle into submission, caving in the top armour effortless. Meanwhile, Lightning pits and flips The Alien. In round 2, Gravity's weak armour and occasional wheelying prove to be its downfall, as Terrohurtz cracks the polycarb body and ruptures its CO2 supply for the win. The Heat Final is a closely fought battle, with Lightning getting some good shoves and flips in, but Terrorhurtz holds firm and retaliates with some devastating axe blows. It goes to the Judges and both robots are practically tied in Style and Aggression. Lightning wins Control, but Terrorhurtz is put through to the semis on Damage.


 * Heat E: Disc-O-Inferno has an absolute ball in Round 1, turning Brutus Maximus into sawdust, before teaming up with Twister to shred Roobarb. In round 2, Tiberius III resists Twister's blade before puncturing it and pitting it, while M2 exploits Disc-O-Inferno's ground clearance to flip it Oota. M2 still beats Tiberius III.


 * Heat F: Panic Attack slides under Major Tom and drops it into the pit, while Tsunami throws Diabolous Oota. Killer Carrot then fails to get under Panic Attack before being dumped in the pit. In the Heat Final however, Panic Attack is totally outclassed. With no Srimech, no Kim and only 8mph speed, Panic Attack gets swept up by Tsunami and thrown Oota.


 * Heat G: Behemoth and Atomic bulldoze Terror Turtle and Cygnus Oota in a matter of seconds. Behemoth then axes and lifts the boxy Mean Streak over the wall. In the Heat Final, both Behemoth and Atomic get some mighty slams and flips in. Behemoth's floor touching scoop gives it the edge however, and it scoops Atomic Oota to finally reach another semi-final.


 * Heat H: Bulldog Breed: goes for Scraptosaur due to its pedigree, and flips it until it can't self-right anymore. Ceros disposes of Metallis in seconds. Bulldog Breed flips St. Agro a couple of times, gets bored and decides to pit it. In the Heat Final, Bulldog Breed stacks Cero against the wall before throwing it Oota.


 * Heat I: No change whatsoever.


 * Heat J: X-Terminator targets the cannon fodder entry Mobot first, and sends it home in a bucket like the team hoped. Beast then suffers a similar fate while Mighty Mouse runs away. X-Terminator then slays The Kraken, before clearing all Mice from the arena in the Heat Final.


 * Heat K: Pussycat and Infernal Contraption have a duel, with Pussycat getting more effective and controlled attacks in, slicing IC's armour. Mantis pits Jabber, and the Judges put Pussycat and Mantis through. Pussycat fails to penetrate Hard's armour, but slices the wheels a bit. Pussycat eventually tears Hard's link out. In the Heat Final against Kat 3, Déjà vu?


 * Heat L: 13 Black tears Tartarus apart, while UFO shoves Crushtacean around and into the pit. 13 Black then employs its sit and spin tactic against Mute, preventing the New Blood runner-up from getting underneath it. 13 Black then immobilises Mute with a solid slam to the side. In the Heat Final though, Judge Shred 3 is too low and curved for 13 Black to get a good attack in, so the Judge flips the seed around until its Srimech fails.


 * Heat M: Spawn Again immediately throws Spin Doctor Oota, turning it into an airborne Beyblade that nearly rips through the cage. Mega Morg stays out of the way while Spawn Again does the same to Edge-Hog. Tough As Nails proves to be no match for Spawn Again's speed and power, and gets turned into a Flying Dutchman for about 2 seconds before landing outside the arena. In the Heat Final, Robochicken gets thrown straight out. Spawn Again defies the 8th Seed curse!


 * Heat N: Bigger Brother flips the bulky NEATer Machine Oota, while Revenge of Trouble 'N' Strife immobilises Chip with its drum. Bigger Brother then chucks R.O.C.S. out of the arena, before clamping and pitting Raging Knightmare in the Heat Final.


 * Heat O: Firestorm V goes one better than last time and flips Colossus Oota, and then teams up with Typhoon 2 to slam U.R.O. into submission. In round 2, Firestorm flips Iron Awe against the wall and right out. Firestorm then immediately chases Typhoon 2 in the Heat Final, managing to slow its spinner down before flipping the Air Cadets over. Firestorm guides Typhoon 2 into the pit to reach the semis.


 * Heat P: Dominator axes Bamm Bamm into submission while Daisy-Cutter shreds Black & Blue. Dominator 2 then pepper pots Reptirron, but can't finish off the bulky Ripper and gets bulldozed into the pit.


 * Semi-Final 1:
 * Bigger Brother vs Dantomkia- Bigger Brother uses its classic flip & clamp combo to pit the champions.
 * IG-88 vs Terrorhurtz- a fight we saw in Resetti's Wars but I'm going for an upset and the opposite result this time. IG-88's armour wasn't very durable, but Team Hurtz has never liked spinners, and the axe does has a tendency to send Terrorhurtz toppling off balance. IG-88 will exploit this with good slams to Terrorhurtz's front, sides and underbelly, eventually immobilising it.
 * Tsunami vs Bulldog Breed- the Bulldog might have the edge in durability, but Tsunami is faster and more powerful. Tsunami to Oota the Bulldog.
 * Pussycat vs Spawn Again- another grudge match, and finally a good clean fight- no illegal blade or Diotoir & Commengetorix to worry about. Team Cold Fusion may be 2 up, but I think Spawn Again has the advantage this time. It's a lot more reliable now and its armour is too solid for the blade to do anything. Spawn Again will flip Pussycat through the air and Oota.


 * Bigger Brother vs IG-88- Bigger Brother throws IG-88 out almost as quickly as Dantomkia did.
 * Tsunami vs Spawn Again- a close match, both are well matched in speed and power. Spawn Again looks a little lower and more suited to chucking Tsunami around, so Spawn Again throws the Tsunami high and out to claim its first Grand Final.


 * Semi-Final 2:
 * Judge Shred 3 vs Ripper- Ripper flips and pits Judge Shred with a resounding "I AM THE LAW!!!!".
 * X-Terminator vs Firestorm v- Firestorm gets under X-Terminator from the side and throws it right over, before dumping it in the pit.
 * Tornado vs Storm II- same result, the Judges put Storm 2 through.
 * M2 vs Behemoth- M2 rolls over from a couple of flips by Behemoth, before gathering its bearings to get under the bulldozers side and flip it. M2 shoves Behemoth towards the wall and throws it out.


 * Ripper vs Storm II- Ripper's spaced armour will act as a great crumple zone allowing to survive being slammed, but Storm 2 is to quick for it and will pit it.
 * Firestorm vs M2- M2's ground clearance will be its undoing. By the end of Robot Wars, Firestorm could counter just about any flipper with its speed, control and low front, and it took Razer or a mosntrously powerful rammer to really put it down.


 * Grand Final:
 * Bigger Brother vs Storm II- I agree with ToastUltimatum's theory that Bigger Brother could pull it off against the mighty Storm II. It's masterfully controlled and has a very low flipper blade, so I think that it can catch Storm II out and flip it over at some point. With the wedge rendered useless, Bigger Brother catches Storm II on its wedge, clamps down and pits it.
 * Spawn Again vs Firestorm V- Firestorm flips Spawn Again towards the wall and gets it out.


 * Play-off: Storm 2 vs Spawn Again- Spawn Again has the monstrous speed and power required to scoop up Storm 2 and throw it Oota.
 * Grand Final: Bigger Brother vs Firestorm V- Firestorm does a repeat of the Extreme 2 All-Stars to finally become champion! MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 09:04, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Firestorm V finally wins, nice. Nice work, glad to see someone hink that Firestorm deserves a championship. Sam (BAZINGA) 10:59, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Series 7 Semis Reversed
Simple idea, and it's not really a small thing to change, but bear with me. What if the Top 8 of Series 7 in fact lost in the first round of the semi-finals? How would the series progress then? Here's my thoughts:


 * Raging Knightmare vs Dantomkia - I don't think an OotA is on the cards, but Knightmare is still no real competition for Dantomkia (or many of the semi-finalists)
 * St Agro vs Tough As Nails - St Agro might prove awkward at first by being a pure wedge shape, but TAN will eventually grab hold, and then it will be a straight path to the Grand Final.


 * Mute vs The Grimreaper - Close call. The Grimreaper will have more of an advantage by getting a flip, as Mute struggles with self-righting. However, Mute's flips will be stronger. Mute looks lower to the ground, so I think I'll support it. The Grimreaper is quite a lot like Judge Shred 3, after all.
 * Thermidor II vs M2 - The biggie. This sure was a close-fought thing back in the Audited Series 5 days, eh? Thermidor is definitely capable of exploiting M2's high ground clearance at the sides, but I can also see M2 slotting between the flipper and claws, and pulling a Prizephita-eque victory, or a Judges' decision.


 * Dantomkia vs Mute - Dantomkia is a robot I can trust more than The Grimreaper to exploit Mute's self-righting issues.
 * Tough As Nails vs M2 - M2 will be hard to catch, given its top speed, and its general tactic of running away. But Tough As Nails can grip M2 easily once it comes by, thanks to its big, soft sides. Much as I would like to see M2 in the Grand Final...


 * Mute vs M2 - ...I'm quite happy to see my two favourite robots fighting. Mute could possibly take it just by being lower at the front when M2 kicks back, but Mute was already quite lucky to get past The Grimreaper (and Firestorm!!!), so a few flips should do it in again.


 * Dantomkia vs Tough As Nails - Dantomkia should finally prove too much for TAN, and can consistently slip underneath it and keep flipping. Were any of the Round 1 losers really capable of beating Dantomkia? Toast  Ultimatum  01:46, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Stinger wins, Mace loses
What if Stinger had beaten Mace and went on to fight Wheeliwako? I think had it not driven into the pit, that could well have happened. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:05, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Stinger can beat Weeliwako, but Suicidal Tendencies is the end of the line. Big Brother then beats ST but loses to Chaos 2. They'll get their revenge later. Toast  Ultimatum  22:28, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Trazmaniac beats Philipper II
I don't know how many of you are familiar with Dutch Robot Wars: Series 2, but the eventual runner-up Philipper nearly lost a Judges' decision to Trazmaniac in the second round. If Trazmaniac got the decision, how would the wars pan out?

I think Trazmaniac is capable of winning the heat by beating Twisted Metal Evo, but Krab-Bot will stop it in the next round. This puts Crushtacean into the Top 4, where it can also beat Bamm Bamm. They meet PulverizeR in the Grand Final... and win! A new champion is born! Toast Ultimatum  22:39, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Loanerbots unnecessary
A little bit of an interesting situation, but one I've been thinking about a fair amount. As we know, many of the side competitions of the US series featured loanerbots as the teams couldn't always enter with their real robots for one reason or another. But what would have happened if they had been able to enter with their actual robots? Would anything have changed? To note, loanerbots will still be used IF we never actually saw the team's real robot in action (so since we never saw The Wife, Tiger Cat stays).

Extreme Warriors 1
 * For the Robot Rebellion, Brute (Silver Box) easily pushes Close Enough around until it breaks. Tricerabot and Rosie the Riveter easily overpower Shuriken (The Green Mouse) and Mad Cow (Rott Box) in much the same way they did with the loanerbots. Which leaves us with Cyclone (Tut Tut) vs Bot-Ugly (The Green House), and whilst I can't say much for Cyclone's power or reliability in this series, you'd think it'd be enough to do some damage to the exposed Bot-Ugly. In the Rebellion itself, Brute and Cyclone don't quite get their way, but Tricerabot still dominates, so...yeah, almost same result.
 * In the Tag Team Terror, Cyclone is now paired with Drillzilla, but nothing changes as Drillzilla dominates everyone. Since I don't know what the original Joker looked like, and I can't simply assume it was the same as the actual version, Humdrum remains.
 * For the Cival War, Bot-Ugly actually wins a battle after driving the largely useless Spartacus (Spike) around the arena. Nevertheless, it is completely overpowered by Manta in Round 2.

Nickelodeon Robot Wars
 * In the Tag Team Terror, The Gap (Zanzara) puts up a better fight against Spin Doctor, but you can't forget that it was still immobilised very quickly by The Revolutionist in the second US series, so that team will still lose. It'll probably also put up a better fight against Bigger Brother, but it's still a loss.
 * In the Mayhem, Hannibal (Vert-I-Go), whilst unable to flip anyone over, is still able to win after pushing Techno Trousers and Joker around, resisting its flail. The only real change is that it can't do that fancy little trick of tearing Joker's link out. Basenji (Rigby) is destroyed by Revolutionist. In the final, Hannibal tries to resist Propeller-Head, but eventually succumbs to the blows.
 * For the Challenge Belt, Tricerabot (Tut Tut, just for the sake of argument) completely overpowers all three opponents, including its own "sister".
 * For the Robot Rebellion, Basenji (Squirmin Vermin) and Diskotek (Humdrum) are completely outclassed.

Dutch Robot Wars Series 2
 * The original Hard faces off against Neater...and wins. Its small size allows it to avoid the axe, and push Neater around, and IF it were to overturn Neater, I'm not convinced it can right itself. Even if it doesn't (more likely), the constant pushing and lifting earns it the jury's nod. Against Blackdevil Warzone, its luck runs out, and it is buffeted by Blackdevil's drum. Now Blackdevil faces Lizzard, and puts up a good fight...one I wouldn't like to call myself. I think Lizzard MIGHT swing it on aggression, but I'll wait to hear what anyone else thinks.

Phew...CrashBash (talk) 12:44, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I think Hard can beat Blackdevil Warzone. BdWz's drum wasn't amazing, and it will struggle to gain a purchase. High ground clearance will cost it, although I think Lizzard would beat Hard. It can probably beat Blackdevil Warzone as well, as long as the Jury don't mind a missing eyeball or two. Toast  Ultimatum  19:47, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Mousetrap given the win over S3
If Mousetrap had been awarded the win over S3, what would have happened in the later Fifth Wars? Dave Barker said himself it was a close battle. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:12, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * If Stinger would've beat Mousetrap again, Bigger Brother be able to pit Stinger I reckon so Stinger would fight Wild Thing and Spawn Again. If Spawn Again dies again, Wild Thing would be able pester Stinger and damage the tires of the axle bot. Wild Thing wins and has to fight Razer, where Razer would be victorious. If Mousetrap beats Stinger, Bigger Brother would just toss it over before it losses the melee to Wild Thing, which fight Razer and loses. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:45, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

How would that have affected the seedings for the 6th Wars? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:50, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Dominator in series 7
What if Dominator 2 didn't have to pull out and kept its seeding? Here's my prediction:

Heat A: same, except Thunderpants is replaced by Ming, who still loses.

Heat B: same as real life.

Heat C: Dominator takes Dantomkia's spot, and dents Hassock's Hog and Rick, before facing Scorpion. Even if it is a low robot, I'm still gonna say Dominator dents it to win on damage. In the heat final Dominator faces IG88 and can stop the wheel weapon with its axe before pummeling the armour.

Heat O: same as in real life. Heat P: same as real life. Other Heats: see "Razer in series 7" section.

SF1: Tornado vs Dantomkia: Dantomkia is pitted.

Spawn Again vs Dominator: No matter how Spawn tries, it's flipper won't be any match for the axe which will dent its armour.

Tsunami vs Thermidor: Tsunami wins easily.

X-Terminator vs Tough As Nails: XT edges it.

In round2:

Tornado vs Dominator: Tornado wins on aggression.

Tsunami vs XTerminator: Tsunami wins this time.

SF2:

Firestorm vs Mute: self same result.

Typhoon 2 vs SMIDSY: Typhoon destroys SMIDSY.

Storm 2 vs Grim Reaper: flip all change.

Atomic vs M2: flip-all change.

In round2:

Firestorm vs Storm 2: same.

Atomic vs Typhoon 2: same.

GRAND FINAL:

Typhoon 2 vs Tsunami: Tsunami overturns Typhoon 2 and it is counted out.

Storm 2 vs Tornado: no change.

Play Off:

Tornado vs Typhoon 2: Tornado rams Typhoon into submission.

Final:

Tsunami vs Storm 2:

Too close for me to call, I'll leave it to somebody else.

Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:05, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hate to break it to you, but Dominator 2 would have been seeded 4th seeing as Razer didn't return, so it would have been in heat O... Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:01, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Above Bigger Brother? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:02, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid so, the Dominator 2 page states that it 'was to be given the 4th seed placing (originally 5th when Razer was presumed to be returning)'. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:05, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Both robots reached round two of the semi final. I would've had BB above Dominator because it came second in series 5 and Dominator never made the grand final. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:08, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but Dominator 2 did beat Bigger Brother in series 6 and Bigger Brother had to come through the losers melee. I'm just repeating what it says on the Dominator page though. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:10, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

This was done using my prediction of what the seeds would have looked like. If it did enter Heat O, I reckon it would've hacked the two eliminees apart and sailed into round 2 to do the same to Iron Awe, before facing Typhoon 2 in a battle I couldn't really call myself... Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:17, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Dominator's one big weakness was the wheels (so I guess that's two big weaknesses), even with the guards they kept getting banged and jammed up. It happened against Hypno-Disc and then against 13 Black in the All Stars (when Dominator had the harder armour), I think Typhoon 2 can do the same. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:20, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Storm 2 unseeded
What if Storm 2 had not been given the number 16 seeding and which one of the veterans would have instead? How would that have changed the competition? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 23:00, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Behemoth doesn't self right CV
What would've happened if CV had been left on its back by Behemoth? I think Tiberius 3 would have trouble against Behemoth which gave Razer a good fight. If Behemoth does beat Tiberius 3, I think that Behemoth would beat Infinity. What is everyone else's opinion? Sam (BAZINGA) 16:39, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Behemoth would have:
 * 1) Possibly overturned Tiberius, and Tiberius is slow to self right so it would've been counted out
 * 2) Easily toppled Infinity over the arena wall to win. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:59, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Disc-O-Inferno in series 4
This robot had potential, but broke down in its first round heat. What if that didn't happen?

I would've thought that it would have destroyed Shadow of Napalm in the first round before going into the second round where Dominator's axe could reach it but D.O.I smashes up its exposed wheels anyway. Then in the heat final it could possibly do the same thing to 101. Onto the semi finals, and Firestorm will easily flip it out of the arena, or flip until it breaks down, Firestorm now goes on to fight Pussycat, and wins, putting it into the final. Here, it faces Hypno-Disc, which it clips over to win the judge's decision, third place play-off pans out as normal. The big one, Chaos 2 vs Firestorm, I still think Chaos 2 would win. What do you, the other Wiki users, think?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:45, May 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't believe Dominator 2's axe couldn't reach Disc-O-Inferno, it might be low but that axe put holes in the equally-low Firestorm 2 with no problems whatsoever. Dominator 2 was well driven as well and should keep the wheels away from the disc whilst doing enough damage to Disc-O-Inferno to take the win. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:57, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Still, the disc could be a threat to the wheels. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 14:44, May 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Very true, and yours is a very valid argument, that was just my take on events. Combatwombat555 (talk) 15:28, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

12 seed gap in series 5
Here's something I found interesting. This is what I think would happen if the Fifth Wars followed the same seeding format as the series before:

Heat A: Spawn Again flips Obsidian up and over into an uncomfortable position. In the second round, it then does the same to 8345T but Chaos 2 is too strong for them in the Heat Final.

Heat B: Behemoth replaces Atomic, and in its first round it beats Kan-Opener. The seeding mistake is not made this time so H-D beats Bulldog Breed and Behemoth narrowly beats Lambsy, and in the Heat Final it is a repeat of the Extreme 1 All stars and Behemoth pulls off the upset.

Heat C: Splinter replaces Mousetrap. It holds off Shredder, before being torn apart by S3 in round 2.

Heat D: Mini Morg takes Gemini's place. Here, it bulldozes and overturns Dougal putting it through to face Reactor who, due to the low ground clearance can't really do much to Mini Morg. Firestorm get the better of them in the heat final however.

Heat E: Suicidal Tendencies fights Prizephita Mach 2, and due to the wedge on ST I can see them not get flipped very easily, and then crushing PP's armour. They then crush the Alien, but Wild Thing beats them in the heat final.

Heat F: 101 pits Immortalis. Corkscrew then does damage to it to win the judges decision, Heat Final proceeds as normal.

Heat G: SMIDSY replaces Spawn Again and pits Hydra before doing the same to Evolution. In the Heat Final, it will be a big pushing battle but I'm confident they won't make the Tornado mistake and will beat Diotoir on aggression.

Heat H: Atomic faces Supernova. If they are quick enough they can flip Supernova without the flipper being damaged. SN weren't as controlled in this series so that will be their downfall. Atomic does then to Crushtacean what Chaos 2 did the year after. Up against Wheely Big Cheese, and the high ground clearance will be Atomic's advantage, like someone else on here said, so the 10th seeds go out.

Heat I: Mousetrap takes Splinter's place. It beats Viper 01 due to its ineffective weaponry. In round 2 however, Bigger Brother owns it greatly.

Heat J: Gemini fights Kat 3. I can see it win by flipping the poor feline robot over. In round 2 they defeat Major Tom, but Panic Attack will be more than a match for the twins.

Heat K: Thermidor flips Rick over - and possibly out. It does similar to Destructabubble putting it through to face Razer, who crushes it up.

Heat L: X-Terminator could hold off Fluffy with its front shovel, but Fluffy could still rack up more damage points. Rest of heat carries on as normal.

Semi Final 1: Atomic vs Dominator 2: Tough one to call, but I think Atomic could get under Dominator and flip it over. Behemoth vs Firestorm 3: An easy win for Firestorm. Pussycat vs Panic Attack: same.

Dominator 2 vs Panic Attack vs Behemoth: Dominator 2 hacks the other two into submission.

Firestorm 3 vs Dominator: Firestorm gets its revenge. Atomic vs Pussycat: Atomic flips the cat out, or at least takes the judge's decision.

Semi Final 2: Bigger Brother vs S3: same. Chaos 2 vs Wild Thing: same. Razer vs SMIDSY: Razer crushes SMIDSY.

S3 vs SMIDSY vs Wild Thing: S3 destroys the other two.

Rest of semi final pans out as normal.

Final: Razer vs Firestorm: same. Bigger Brother vs Atomic: Atomic wins due to its wider front and superior speed.

Play Off: personally think Firestorm would win.

Grand Final Decider: Razer pierces, and pits, Atomic to take the prize.

Anyone agree/disagree with me? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:58, June 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * There's the odd decision I'd disagree with or have to think hard about, like Reactor 2 against Mini Morg (which doesn't affect the rest of the heat). It's mainly the Atomic fights really: Pussycat against Atomic is one of the few matches I genuinely have no idea which would win, but I think Dominator 2 against Atomic I think would end in Dominator 2's favour because of the potency of the axe and the generally fast self-righting (but then I think Atomic would win the losers' melee so nothing changes), and Bigger Brother vs Atomic (I stated my argument against the S7 Atomic in Ragnabot, and this Atomic is weaker). I can't argue with the rest of your logic though, and with your overall result. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:10, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Panic Attack pits 101
In the First World Championship, Panic Attack attempted this but drove into the pit itself! If 101 was the one who got pitted, how do you think the quarter finals would have gone? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:50, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Panic Attack could have easily beaten Weld-dor- lift, tip over, pit (probably)- but then would have fallen foul of Razer, it's a boxy shape, easy to crush, and if Panic Attack does tip Razer over (which I doubt, it's still very low at the front), Razer can self-right easily. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:54, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Cyrax eliminated instead of Ruf Ruf Dougal
What if Cyrax had lost the judges' decision and RRD had been put through to round 2 instead? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:35, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Dougal against Razer. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:37, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * And how does that go down?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:39, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ruf Ruf Dougal is largely armoured in loft insulation. Razer will not struggle to pierce that. Because Dougal's so big and the internals are hidden away a bit, I'm not sure Razer can get to them, but surely the decision will go Razer's way on damage if nothing else. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought I read someone on here saying Razer were lucky that the two were not drawn against each other. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:53, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I imagine they were probably joking. Ruf Ruf Dougal is underrated, sure; that spike could and did do some damage, and the anti-flipper flywheel was clever. But Razer's in a different league, I can't see Dougal would win, especially with this being probably Razer's most reliable form. Maybe the loft insulation might get into the workings and jam something? But I doubt it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:57, June 5, 2014 (UTC)