Forum:Discussion/Archive 1

This is the official discussion page for the Arena. If you have an idea for a competition, please create a level three subheading, and provide a basic outline of your idea, under the section titles 'Competition Ideas'. If you want to discuss a topic besides this, changes to policy etc, please do so under the 'Discussion' heading.

After the current Arena competition has finished, voting will be opened to decide which of the submitted competition ideas will be used for the next competition. All competitions will be held by the Arena host (currently Obi-Have) unless another user is given special permission to do so. Users are not permitted to create their own Arena competitions without prior approval from the Arena host.

Ultimate All-Stars
My idea is a large competition to find out the best robot of all time. This competition would include a main competition, as well as several side competitions, the logistics of which I haven't really worked out yet, so we'll focus on the main competition of a while. The competition would include all British semi-finalists (grand finalists in the case of Series 1), with the exception of Cunning Plan and TRACIE for obvious reasons, as well as every Dutch, American and German series, bringing the grand total to 85 competitors, to be subsidised by 11 wildcards, to bring the list to 96 robots, which would be randomly assigned, with the exception of the Grand Champions which will be assigned to 10 heats so that they might only meet at the semi-final stage. 58 + 11 + 12 + 4 = 85 + 11 wildcards = 96 competitors The series will be structured like the Series 5 competition. I don't think I have anything else to say, so please feel free to post your opinions in the comments section. Matt (Talk) 16:16, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
Like it, but if we exclude Cunning Plan we have to exclude TRACIE too.  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  18:33, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, modified. Matt (Talk) 18:48, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I like the general idea.....but I'm not entirely sure about the idea of having two robots within the same team competing....I mean, yes, it's only a few, but still. We'd either have to remove them or do a Series 7 and make sure they absolutely wouldn't be able to meet until the last battle. CrashBash 18:53, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Another good point. If we decide to go with this idea, we'll work out the logistics when we work out the wildcards. Matt (Talk) 19:30, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I believe something similar has already been done, but with the veterans 'All-Stars' style instead of the proper All-Stars. The Samster 15:45, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

What if we did a tournament with robots that truly stood out in their respective series, or future powerful robots from the series they debuted in? Example Series 1: Roadblock, T.R.A.C.I.E, Mortis, Killertron Series 2: Panic Attack, Behemoth, Razer, Cassius Series 3: Chaos 2, Steg-O-Saw-Us, Firestorm, Hypno-Disc and so on BizarroKing 15:32, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Evolutionary Robot Wars Audited
This is very complicated tournament that will probably need to be ran concurrently with another tournament if it goes ahead and I'm not sure how some of the problems in this could be solved, but here goes: We run through Series 1 as normal, but the results will affect in Series 2 and the results of that will affect Series 3 and so on. A major problem with this is hindsight. We know that the incident with More Panda Monium will happen thus will make sure that they all must have failsafes to stop that and thus Garrod's protest will never happen and thus Cassius will remain in Robot Wars. We also know not to show spoilers and not to allow Tornado's anti-crusher frame and all the other things that caused Robot Wars' decline thus making it go on and on until we get bored and put all these thing into Robot Wars: The Fifteenth Wars. My solution to this is using a program to randomly choose a number between 1 and 4. This number is multiplied by a number between 1 and 3, depending on how obvious the consequences were. The same program will be used again, but will choose numbers between 1 and 12. If it gives us a number higher than the answer to the above sum, the rule change will not be carried. If it is equal or lower than the answer, the rule change will be carried. For decisions where there is a half-way decision between what happened and what we are suggesting, if the number between 1 and 12 is between the random number multiplied by the the chosen number and the random number multiplied by the chosen number plus 1 then that half-way decision will be carried. If there was no consequences to the rule you are trying to change, the decision will be made by a simple vote. Another problem will be how to decide how the robots evolve. I am currently unsure about how we can get a fair decision. I'm sorry if you are confused.

The Samster 15:45, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
You're damn right its complicated! I don't really think this is feasible, as to be honest it is just too complicated, as well as that it would involve redoing series 3 and 4, which we've already done, and it would be splitting hairs to do them again. Matt (Talk) 15:59, September 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * With Series 3 and 4 though, there would be a lot of opportunity for thing to've changed, so they may've turned out differently. If Cassius had fallen in Round 1, the flipper boom may never've happened and the srimech would only be invented later. The Samster 14:04, September 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Too complicated for many of us to understand unfortunately.-- STORM  II   21:01, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Extreme Championships
This was a little idea I had today....what if we had a "Championship" for both of the Extreme series, featuring robots that competed in those series? CrashBash 17:58, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Extreme Series 3
This idea stems from a comment that somebody made at the end of Wikia Series 8 (sorry, I forget whose it was), and I think that it might be quite interesting. The problem we have is that we did quite a few side events after Series 8, many of which would normally be seen in Extreme. I don't think it would be a terrible idea to have another Tag Team or Annihilator, but I would only invite back the winners and make the other competitors completely different. We could also do another Challenge Belt, All-Stars and a second European Championship, something which CrashBash suggested a while back.

Of course we would need to think of a few more tournaments we could run, mainly themed events like the ones in Extreme 2, and I don't have any good ideas at the moment. So basically this idea would need a lot of planning and ideas, but I think we could probably come up with something fun and interesting. Christophee (talk) 15:07, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
I was planning of doing one in my blog after I finish Series 9 RWfan 23:37, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

County Championships
This is quite a long and complicated tournament where each English county is represented by a tag-team of two machines from that county. Some counties won't be able to compete if they only have one robot. To decide which robots represent the county, each team enters one machine for the county qualifiers before the actual tournament.

i.e. The Lincolnshire Qualifiers could be structured like this:

Stinger vs Infernal Contraption vs Humphrey

Cyrax vs Hammer & Tong vs RT81 vs Trax

Some counties would have to have a certain pair, Hereford would have to have X-Terminator and ICU, and the East Riding would have to have General Carnage 2 and Warhog. Then, the tag-teams representing each county shall face off to decide the ultimate champions. This will take quite a while so I recommend it being run at the same time as some other competitions.--Shayfan 16:55, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like this idea, but we've done your heat finalist idea, so I removed it. Matt (Talk) 17:04, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a pretty late response, but I like this idea. However, if there were no excluded robots, then Suffolk would have a pretty much unbeatable team in Chaos 2 and Storm 2. Christophee (talk) 16:52, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know, Oxfordshire have Terrorhurtz and Hypno-Disc... Like this idea though, even if it might seem a foregone conclusion who's in the final. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:08, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

The Series 1 Retribution Tournament
A while ago, I heard that someone had written a comment stating "The worst robots of the later series could have won the first series". If you remember my "Top 10 robots with the worst things said about them" list, you may remember that I disagree with this completely. So this idea came to me. What if we took some of these "worst robots of the later series", put them against some Series 1 robots and see if they really COULD win? Now, understandably, there'd have to be a lot of figuring out which robots should realistically compete, because we don't want to absolutely make it one sided. Of course, it'd be set very much like Series 1 was, because that's what we're trying to prove or disprove. CrashBash (talk) 18:23, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like this idea very much. Well done, CrashBash, for thinking it up.-- STORM  II   19:49, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, I say this should be the next tournament we have. Datovidny (talk) 16:49, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've honestly never heard anyone make that claim. Are we excluding the really good ones from the Series 1 side?  Mortis, Recyclopse, and Roadblock would make for a rather obvious conclusion. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 00:38, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

A New Series 3
Had this idea earlier, but what if Series 3 had kept the Gauntlet and Trial stages? Would Chaos 2 still have won? Here's the idea... 16 heats of 8 robots as before, but in order to make it work two robots will fall at each stage. One seeded robot (which will be pre-decided) will appear in each heat for sake of fairness. I think this would work because unlike our Audited series this would require much more of a well rounded robot, instead of the two best fighters getting through. Snowdog140 22:06, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * Eh, I personally think it's too hard to predict the outcome of a Gauntlet or Trial, so I'd pass on that. Toast  Ultimatum  19:10, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Alternative Series 6/Series 7 Audited
I know that we've just had an audited series, and it was Series 5, but I am still in belief that the audited series are good to do, because it fully captures the imagination of the active users. But anyway, I am happy to with either Series 6 or 7, I'm not picky. But the difference with these is, instead of doing first round melees, which most users don't like doing, if all the first round battles were straight head to head knockout battles. So then we would only have good ol' head to heads for the whole series (although we would have Losers Melees if we did Series 6). Datovidny (talk) 18:32, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like the idea of this because I'm not a huge fan of the 4 way melees, so this could work well. Charlie   M  17:58, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would probably go as far to say that an Audited series is probably the most enjoyable thing to have in The Arena, so we should spread them out evenly, and probably in order. So basically, we should do Audited Series 6 first, but not right now. Toast  Ultimatum  19:10, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * When you say spread them out evenly, how many rotations do you think we should wait before we do this? Datovidny (talk) 21:01, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Apart from the removal of melees, what would change? The seeds were fine as they were. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 22:46, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even the simplest matchup changes can make a difference. Pussycat nearly fell in Round 1 of Series 5. Another possibility could be the addition of an extra 4 heats for Series 6, and then we're guaranteed 4 extra semi-finalists, and Series 7 wouldn't really need it, as that had a lot of robots reaching the Semi-Finals which you might not otherwise expect, like M2, St. Agro and Raging Knightmare, so a simple re-organisation could make a big change, plus we could let robots like Stinger in. An Audited Series is a lot of fun, and I don't think we should see the end of it. Toast  Ultimatum  17:23, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for backing me ToastUltimatum, but yes, I would also be planning to make a few changes to each series. I was intending to scrap the No Weapons rule for Series 7, to allow the opportunity for robots like Stinger and Tanto to compete. The extra heats for Series 6 is also a good idea, as it would remove the need for the Losers Melees, and it would make people think about adding another 4 seeds, as for Series 7, people were always complaining about Ming Dienasty, so let's see what people would replace it with. And yes, the change in the line ups may provide radically different results, which would at least make us think about how well robots in Series 7 like Behemoth and Bigger Brother would've performed if they weren't so unlucky, and if controversial judges' decisions, like Judge Shred vs Mute and Robochicken vs Tough As Nails were to go the other way. Datovidny (talk) 18:34, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Stinger seems the obvious choice to replace Ming if we're allowing it. But about the Series 6 one, where are you planning to get 32 additional robots from? R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk )
 * Firstly, you can't claim that the seedings were almost perfect and that be that, for a start, so many other veterans missed out, that some people may believe should replace robots like S.M.I.D.S.Y. or Thermidor 2, the order of some of the later ones could be swapped around a bit too, and Terrorhurtz could be excluded from the line-up altogether. Secondly, as for the 32 robots, many years ago, I began writing up the line-ups for every series and every tournament that took place in the UK wars, also adding a list of robots that failed to qualify from each series. I'm almost certain that I could fish out 32 robots that failed to qualify for Series 6, and if that fails, there were several robots that entered the second series of Extreme, such as the New Blood competitors, that could be included in the line up to make up the numbers. Datovidny (talk) 15:33, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking at the list, I'd say about 15 of them (maximum) would be worthwhile in having, since the others would easily fall in Round 1, or we don't really know enough about them to vote on them. We don't need the extra heats for Series 6, but I thought that would be one way that could make the series appear interesting enough for us to try for the next rotation. I do have other ideas in mind that could make things a bit more interesting. Datovidny (talk) 16:08, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * No no I was talking about the Series 6 seedings being fine. Seires 7 I'll admit I can see a case being made for both sides.  Anyways, my real aversion to increasing the number of qualifying robots is that people seem to enjoy choosing bin candidates, and it would be a shame if we couldn't do that. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 15:14, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thinking about it now, it doesn't look like Series 6 would be a good idea, but I am still in belief that another Series 7 Audited is the way to go, I know we've technically done it before in the form of Wikia Series 8, but that was different to Series 7 to an extent and I promise I can make this more exciting for the new generation of users here on the wiki. Datovidny (talk) 16:33, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I personally love the idea of doing a audited series 6 or 7; Granted I've done 6 and starting on 7 in my blogs but would still love to do this and see how it would go with others voting. If we were to do say series 6, I'd be interested in having it follow the events of the audited series 5 with Hypno-Disc as champion going in and so on. Also, I know a lot of you seem against the idea of the 4 way melees but what about formatting it like Series 4 with the three way eliminators? Instead of 12 heats we could go back to 16 and it would still consist of 96 robots. Just a random musing IF we did Series 6. Series 7 I'd be fine with 1 on 1.--BizarroKing (talk) 03:26, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Likewise, I definitely want to do both, and I reckon we might only need to do one more tournament after War of the Weapons before its been long enough do do the next audited series. Series 6 seems to be getting opposition, mainly because the seeding was perfect, but I still see a point. There should just about be enough robots to comprise four extra heats if we wanted, as long as we use New Blood entrants, and then we can decide more seeds along with it. 3-way battles was a good idea, never thought of that, but ultimately, I'd rather stick with 1-on-1. The real Series 6 had a bunch of things that "weren't meant to happen", like Chaos 2 going out in the heats, and Wild Thing and Spawn Again winning the heats that an unseeded robot was meant to win, so even just a simple rearrangement is enough to make a fun tournament. Toast  Ultimatum  06:54, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * The 3-way melees is a good idea, but ultimately the only reason we would have them is to stop there being Losers Melees, and what's the point in replacing 2 battles we could do without, with 32 of them in a different place? As for the adding more robots in, if you look at the robots that did fail to qualify for Series 6, you could bring in about 10-15 which would be good robots to have, but the rest of those you'd bring in would be those that we either know nothing about, or fell immediately in New Blood, and this would also reduce the possibility for bin candidates. I would say I'm more on board for a Series 7, but I'm still more than open to a Series 6, but less things would change. Datovidny (talk) 08:37, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is sort of why I suggested that if we did Series 6 we could have it be a follow-up to the Audited Series 5, which in turn would make it quite different than the original with the different seedings and what not (at least in theory anyway). We could decide how we could format it down the road if and when we do this. Otherwise, I'd be more than open to series 7 or the fantasy tournament previously suggested.--BizarroKing (talk) 23:28, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see what you're saying, but for a very long while there has been talk of an Evolutionary Series to take place on the wiki, where we do an Audited Series 1, and then do Series 2 following on from our 1, and so on. We might as well wait for that rather than host a smaller version. Datovidny (talk) 08:30, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure we could do series 6 with RA2's good formatting idea of using the old voting method to decide the melees. If you still want to do it in the head to head battles, that's fine, I know this is an old conversation, I just thought I'd put a suggestion in. RelicRaider (talk) 07:12, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Tag Team Terror
How about a tag team terror where the teams have a theme (like Clawed Hopper with Black Widow as Team Insect Walkers or Kan-Opener and Crustacean as Team Crab) or a team is made up of two robots from one team (like Team Vader, Mouse, Ming and Torque).  Mad looney 6 15:18, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * Interesting thought, but the first one, I think most of the teams wouldn't really stand much of a chance at all, and there won't be much thinking involved in the votes. As for the second one, that has more integrity about the idea, but I think the number of teams taking part would be minimal, unless you intend to have teams like Pussycat and Bodyhammer, which to be honest wouldn't work for me, since the robots would be too different in terms of capability for the tournament to be a close one. Datovidny (talk) 16:24, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I put some ideas for teams in my Sandbox, just have a look please.  Mad looney 6 15:46, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * So is this a bad tournament idea?  Mad looney 6 10:58, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly? No, not ay all, but I agree with David's comments that some match ups may not be suited to each other. Maybe a suitable alternative to that would be to vote on potential match ups, much as we do with Audited series and their bin candidates. But on the whole I think a Tag Team Terror is a fantastic idea, if done properly. snowdog  140  14:20, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Are some of the match-ups in my sandbox any good?  Mad looney 6 14:28, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I like the look of Team Wales, Team RCC, Team Cat would work quite well too. We can judge on Team Mouse and Teal Rivalry because they existed, but on the whole I think you made some pretty decent teams there. snowdog  140  16:07, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see a different way to do a tag team terror. To combine it with a sweepstake, each user willing to get involved picks two robots to be in their team. A little tournament could start with random draws whittling down until a victor is declared. Stuff like, the users cannot vote in a battle their team is participating in could be implemented as well as rules like each team must have one robot who never escaped the heats in ANY domestic championship e.g. Typhoon 2 and DisConstructor, Mazakari and Nemesis would both be acceptable teams but Dantomkia and 13 Black, Steg 2 and Tsunami would be not allowed. What do others think? Jimlaad43 (talk) 14:28, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I really like that idea. Adds a competitive element to the tournament, like the sweepstake, and I for one would really like to do a Tag Team Terror tournament, and this seems like a really good way of doing it. Plus, you'd get some really interesting teams and battles developing. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:33, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I reckon, if we get a few more positive comments, I will try to start it. If we need/want more teams, it could be opened to all/some members to create a second or maybe even third team. Jimlaad43 (talk) 14:43, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, Jimlaad, you're not really supposed to start a tournament yourself. It's sort of an unwritten rule that we only do one tournament at a time hosted by Matt, and everyone gets to vote on which tournament will take place next. Christophee (talk) 16:05, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. Give me some slack, I have just got arena privileges. Still, Its an idea for when Ragnabot finishes. Jimlaad43 (talk) 16:18, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am aware that you are new, which is why I was letting you know how it works. Please don't think I was criticising you. Christophee (talk) 12:58, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I knew you weren't. But, how am I supposed to know it if it is unwritten! Jimlaad43 (talk) 13:18, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * That is a good point. Maybe I should make a note at the top of this page so that people who are new to the Arena can see how it works. Christophee (talk) 15:12, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be blunt; you will not get my support for Tag Teams. They don't make for a fun debate, because there are so many variables that practically anything can happen.  Plus a lot of them come down to the singularly best robot winning every match. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 18:27, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Colour Wars
This is a request I get a lot on Youtube, but have always been too busy to undertake. Similar to War of The Weapons, each colour has a separate heat to get the representative. Off the top of my head I'm thinking red, yellow, green, blue, pink, black, white, and silver are the most common colours. We could have anything from 16 to 96 robots competing depending on our ambitiousness. I don't have all the finer points worked out, but I think it would make for an interesting competition. '''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 15:14, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * I think a lot of robots would be tricky to judge, I mean, what colour would you say Behemoth is? Datovidny (talk) 16:17, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I think this is another fine idea, we're certainly not short of options anymore. And, @Datovidny, there'd be enough fully yellow robots anyway, but for situations like that, we would have a page like Bin Candidates, where we can choose who goes in what. Monocolour robots aren't that uncommon (e.g. Mute, Hydra) Toast  Ultimatum  15:21, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, don't mind me. Datovidny (talk) 16:24, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh hey, that was my request from a while back actually. I'd love to see it in action :D Badnik96 00:11, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Unsung Heroes
A tournament for robots (or versions of robots) that only fought in Extreme and Side Competitions but to make up the numbers, I would also include robots that never got past the gauntlet or trial rounds. --Rescuers1&amp;2rthebest 13:56, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Sounds like a blend of the Legends Special and the Redemption Championship that we've had, could be quite interesting. Datovidny (talk) 14:59, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well, this mainly harks back to a fantasy tournament I suggested on Facebook once. Like I say, only robots (or particular versions of robots) that only fought in Extreme, Side-Competitions, the Gauntlet or the Trial rounds would be eligible to compete. --Rescuers1&amp;2rthebest 15:37, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Lovable Losers

 * Somewhat similar to the "Unsung Heroes" and "Fantasy Wars" previously suggested; This tournament would basically consist of robots that have never won a single battle, or robots from the first two wars and fell in the gauntlet or trials and thus never competed in a battle. We could also include robots with very poor win/loss records (Sumpthing) as well, but that's if you wanna do it; this was just a random idea that was bouncing around in my head just now.--BizarroKing (talk) 21:03, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * We did try that once, and it almost killed the arena forums. The problem is that all the outcomes are decided by conjecture.  Also, it was rapidly becoming clear that we were headed for an all-flipper finale, and I can't have been the only person who was jaded by that. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 22:32, August 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Besides giving Pinser a chance to win, I imagine this being a bit bland, featuring mostly lacklustre robots. Toast  Ultimatum  13:16, August 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * As RA2 says, this is like the Redemption Championship, which nobody really enjoyed at all. This is one of those things where it would feature about 5 or 6 interesting robots, but the rest of the line-up wouldn't really encourage voting from anyone. Datovidny (talk) 17:59, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Mayhem and Annihilators
Another idea that was bouncing around in my brain just now. Mostly basing this idea on Extreme 1, I was thinking we could have a series of Mayhem battles with various themes and the six winners of each three way battle would all face off in a Annihilator to crown one undisputed champion. Could be a good idea for any one-shot battles that aren't large enough for it's own tourney, and I could think of a few, or we could all vote on a theme. BizarroKing (talk) 02:09, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
Mortis fan club (competitors all have the same axe/lifter combo): Hydra vs Comgetorix vs Hydrotech
 * It's not a bad idea really, the trouble is most people on here don't really like having melees, you'll have to battle them about it. Are there any restrictions as to who can enter or can any robot be put forward. Datovidny (talk) 16:12, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, no real restrictions that I can think of. Basically here were a few example battles I thought of

For the love of Matilda (they all had a 'crush on Matilda'): Hellbent vs Hassocks Hog 2 vs Killerkat

Any 6 Mayhem battles which leads up to a big Annihilator battle is what I was thinking.BizarroKing (talk) 21:18, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * A nice idea, but we have had problems in the past trying to figure out who would go through in battles with four robots...six might be a problem. CrashBash (talk) 17:36, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Vengeance Challenge Belt
Occasionally, if I can't think of anything really unique, I often just merge two events together and see where that takes me. As it happens, this is one of them. The Vengeance Challenge Belt works exactly like the Challenge Belt, but every battle is pretty much a grudge match between the two competitors. Obviously, it doesn't have to be robots that have fought each other...it could be something completely trivial (lets face it, a lot of the vengeance battles in Extreme 1 and NRW were trivial grudges). But the point being there has to be at least a sprinkling of a reason for the two to fight. Now, obviously, it'd be a bit pointless for this to just go on and on, so what I suggest is that after any one robot has won three challenges, they go through to a final...then after we have, say, four belt-holders, we work it like a typical Robot Wars final to see who is the ultimate challenger. Now, I understand it could very well get complicated, as we'd need to decide which robot should challenge the current belt holder and why after each battle, but we won't know until we try, right? CrashBash (talk) 17:34, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * It only needs to be as complicated as we want it to be. We can very simply have a seperate forum page for the competition, alongside the page(s) with the battle tables on them, but we have seperate headings for each robot that is the current holder, and users an just forward suggestions for opponents, if the majority agree, then they can be lined up to fight, and so on. Datovidny (talk) 19:56, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not the most keen, if the voters are choosing, people are going to choose robots that would make a close match for the belt holder, and then the tournament would never end as no robot would ever win three times in a row, until something uber comes along. It's good in principle, but it has that aforementioned flaw, and another. Either the opponents would be chosen by Matt, which wouldn't offer much voter input, or we'd have to choose them all before each battle, which would be slow and boring. Apologies, but this isn't my choice. Toast  Ultimatum  22:27, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's OK, I will admit it wasn't my best idea, but I wanted to express it anyway. CrashBash (talk) 06:08, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Toast's concren is a possibility, but this is my favourite idea on the table (apart from my own, but that's hardly objective,) which is why I'd be up for trying it out and seeing what happens. It's a nice change of format.  The one thing I ask is that we decide each challenger democratically.  I've been rather vocal about my disdain for picking bots randomly for awards, competitor lists, etc.  R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 14:57, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Redone Extreme Warriors Season 1
The first US championship was supposed to be 4 proper heats (each in the style of Series 4) insted of four 6-way melees. My idea is to play out the first season if they kept to that format. The groupings of 6 remain the same, and they're randomly divided into two 3-way eliminators. It'll be very brief, and interesting to see if we get the msame four finalists and if Panzer still wins. All the robots fight in their Season 1 forms. Some of Season 1 championship is on youtube, albeit not high quality. Coffin Bot and Tiger Cat stay in - I see no reason that the Clown and Skullmania wouldn't still be broken.'''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 15:51, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * An original idea to say the least, but I can see two drawbacks. 1) Some users don't really like dealing with melees. 2) Some users may not have enough knowledge on the competing robots to make much of a reasoned argument. Datovidny (talk) 15:59, November 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I very much like the idea. My one reservation was that not everyone will have seen the episode and I wasn't sure whether it was still on YouTube, but if it is then I see no reason not to try it. Christophee (talk) 16:00, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be willing to give it a go. I wouldn't have so much of a problem with remembering the robots, but then, I do tend to remember these sorts of things a bit too well. As another question, what would we do concerning Skullmania, Conquering Clown, Coffin-Bot and Tiger Cat? CrashBash (talk) 16:25, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that answers my question...it's still something I've been curious about for a while...but if I'm the only one who remembers it well enough, then I don't want to spoil all the fun. CrashBash (talk) 22:20, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * A good idea it is, though regarding the battles being on YouTube, I've only seen the three of Panzer Mk. 2 and The Revolutionist's battles. Manta and... erm... the other one, I have not seen their first-round melees, nor can I find them. If you can find them, please link me there. Toast  Ultimatum  18:16, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ach, it seems I was wrong, that there are only two of the melees and two of the final battles available. I don't know, I don't want to give up on it. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 21:32, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw the battles when they were originally up, but I don't remember enough about them to take part in a fantasy tournament. I imagine a lot of other users are probably in the same boat. Christophee (talk) 22:03, November 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know Ragnabot still has a long way to go, but with the recent re-uploadings of the battles of the 1st US championship, I'm all for re-supporting trying this particular tournament out. CrashBash (talk) 20:52, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's definitely more possible now, though there are still robots we barely saw in action. Still, it wouldn't take very long, so I suppose I'd be fine with it. Toast  Ultimatum  21:53, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Back to the Warzone
A random little idea that came to me for a new tournament, after looking through the category "Robots that are Still Competing Today". It's an interesting list of robots, and not really one where an obvious winner is present. So I was thinking, maybe we could have a small tournament based upon that very list, where robots that are still in action as of when the list was last updated take part, appearing as they did when we last saw them on the show itself. We could hold it in a similar style to the New Blood competition from Extreme 2 with 24 robots...or if we're feeling adventurous, have it like the first Dutch series with 30 robots. But we can discuss that when we come to it. CrashBash (talk) 23:26, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

 * If we're only having heavyweights, the number of them in the category is 36, which is just the most perfect number isn't it? Datovidny (talk) 19:36, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, although one of those robots is Storm 2...CrashBash (talk) 20:05, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've got two answers to that: 1) it's now 37, 2) I'm pretty sure robots like Behemoth could take down Storm 2. Datovidny (talk) 20:08, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Are they in their present forms or their Robot Wars forms? R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk ) 21:05, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * As I stated, they are as we last saw them in Robot Wars. It's purely for ease if nothing else. CrashBash (talk) 21:13, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do agree that Storm 2 would have an unfair advantage, and that we should do whatever we need to not have it. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk ) 22:00, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm in on this. I'm also in on getting rid of Storm 2.--Rammingspeed (talk) 20:50, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

Robots from console games
Since we're getting to the end of the Fantasy Audited war, I was thinking of a tournament idea. How about a smaller tournament, with at most 12 heats, and probably at least 8 or 4. So everyone would nominate probably about 20 or so robots with around half being the fictional robots in the console games(Extreme Destruction(PC/Xbox)and Arenas of Destruction) that have pages with pictures on the wiki. If the robot is in two games, then please specify which, e.g. Major Damage AoD. Of course the rule about the real robots would be no obvious winners, e.g. Razer, series 5 onwards Tornado, Firestorm, Storm 2. And the robots aren't in their video game forms (otherwise Pussycat would be laughable). And I know most of them in Arenas of Destruction don't have srimechs, but quite a few do in Extreme Destruction. And some that don't have incredible pushing power, Tractor and Plough King for example. I know flywheels don't work so well in game, but these robots can have at least some power. Xmas Destruction, Double O and Spanners probably won't be causing Hypno-Disc style damage, but won't be completely obsolete like Mayhem. And besides, some of the better robots in the game can take on the TV series robots, like Major Damage, or Corbinator. The format would probably be 3 way melees for 12 or 8 heats, where you would vote out the loser, like the war of the weapons. And if it was four heats, there would be eight robots. The easy way to do 4 heats is the series 5 format, but there is a way that you could do four way melees. I'd say with that would be that everyone votes for one robot they think would be eliminated, and the two that get the most votes will go, I think theres probably about 9 or 10 active arena users at the moment, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem, please leave comments and tell me what you think RelicRaider (talk) 10:12, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Sorry, but I have to think that the fictional robots will just get creamed, and then it'll just turn into Ultimate All-Stars, with robots like Razer and Firestorm earning boring victories left and right. Toast  Ultimatum  15:20, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah maybe, but Razer and Firestorm wouldn't be competing, along with some of the always boring winners, that do well in ever tournament they're in. RelicRaider (talk) 17:13, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Audited Series 4 (Volume 2)
The wiki's already had a Redone Series 4, but it was done way back in 2009/2010 with only a few users, before we started using the new voting format and had gathered new information on other robots that failed to qualify. Also, there's a whole new breed of users these days, pardon the expression, but there are a lot more users who can input their ideas, maybe Chaos 2 won't win this time around... Datovidny (talk) 18:34, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Not to mention the fact the old tournament was done with the older format. I'd support doing this, but not for a while, considering we just did A Fantasy Audited War, and I see Audited Series 7 garnering more support and happening beforehand. Toast  Ultimatum  18:42, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope we can do Audited Series 7 before too long, I've been waiting and looking forward to it for a very long time now. Datovidny (talk) 11:44, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be up for this.--Rammingspeed (talk) 12:07, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Middleweight Championship (Best of the Rest)
Inspired by the need for a very small tournament between now and February 18th, this idea is basically pulling together a bunch of middleweights, for a Championship, the only proviso, Typhoon won't be allowed in, so we can deduce the best of the rest. Datovidny (talk) 18:34, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Hmm, the remaining middleweights were somewhat lacklustre, and the featherweights were a lot more interesting. I think I'd rather just get on with Ragnabot than put this inbetween. Toast  Ultimatum  18:44, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Dutch Series 3
As we did a German Series 2 tournament, I thought it might be good to do a Dutch Series 3. The robots would be a combination of Dutch Series 2 competitors, the best robots from Dutch Series 1 that didn't return, and Dutch/Belgian competitors from UK Series 7. The only real problem I can think of is that some teams' Series 7 entries failed to qualify, and we may not know enough about them to include them in the tournament (e.g. Deep Impact, Caesar etc.), but we could always enter their previous robots if we have to. I know I don't tend to take part in the Arena any more, but I would take part in this tournament if it was chosen. Christophee (talk) 10:35, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Comments
I'm always up for an international series or two. CrashBash (talk) 11:00, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Overseas Only Series
One idea I thought would be good was a competition made up only of international robots, no robots from the British Isles to compete, just cause it always seems to be British robots that win everything. Take them out of the equation, who's best? Obviously take all UK robots out, maybe leave in Irish ones though as potential picks, robots from all other countries allowed. Users nominate whoever they like, seeing as we don't really have the standard UK wars restrictions. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:51, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Well, even then, we'd need to make sure certain robots (like Drillzilla and Tsunami) were kept out of the equation. Probably worth a try, if anyone can remember the international competitors well enough. CrashBash (talk) 17:54, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems such a simple idea that we should have done it by now, but I don't remember doing anything similar. I quite like it. Christophee (talk) 18:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't especially match my tastes, mainly because it involves American robots, which I am not familiar with. I have trouble fighting for or against Americans in Ragnabot, and half the robots in this competition could end up coming from there. Also, if Tsunami is bannable, then so is Gravity, and then the crop of robots is getting weaker and weaker. Tsunami has come very close to losses against robots such as Spawn Again and Bulldog Breed on the wiki, surely some foreign robots could manage it. Toast  Ultimatum  18:36, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

House Robot Rebellion
You know what I'm like. I'm always on the lookout for new and different tournaments to try. So then I remembered we have never really given the House Robots any more than a fleeting mention (which I suppose isn't too much of a surprise, all things considering). So then I thought, why not do something about that?

My proposal is simple. We get a bunch of robots together (32, for example) and we put them into a series of heats (four would be the best bet). The robots then fight each other for a place in the Grand Final...but instead of fighting each other, they fight the House Robots.

Which house robots? Well, we could always assign each competitor a house robot beforehand, one that has "connections" with it, maybe with the competitor wanting revenge (I.E. Ming on Matilda, for interfering in Series 5), the house robot wanting revenge (I.E. Kat 3 on Cassius Chrome, after the latter was immobilsed) or even both wanting a crack at each other (I.E. Panic Attack on Shunt, for obvious reasons). CrashBash (talk) 21:24, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * I like the idea, it'll be fun to see who qualifies to fight the House Robots. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:59, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Middle ability bots
Ok, apart from the dreadful title, (I really couldn't think of anything else) I think this could work out. So basically before, we've had the ultimate all stars for the tops, and the redemption for the bottom robots, what about the ones inbetween? I think if I set a kind of cut off which basically selects from at the very least one time heat finalists, and at the very most either multiple semi finalists or one time semi finalists (I'll see which comes close to a feasible tournament number). I think it could work, because boring victories like Storm II, Firestorm and Razer are omitted, although Tsunami will probably end up competing. (Unless it got put in bin candidates list to make it less one sided. I think this could work maybe. RelicRaider (talk) 12:31, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Continuing the Redemption Championship?
Seeing as there are now quite a few more users, would it be possible to restart/resume the Redemption Championship? That seemed an interesting tournament based on a lot of lesser-known robots, and I might be the only one, but I think it'd be good to carry it on, give other robots a chance besides the ones that always seem to feature. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:48, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * I could get on board with this, it could be a good thing to do to finish off after Ragnabot is done. It does irritate me to see the red links for the later heats, and it wasn't a bad idea. The main criticism for it was that there were quite a few uninspiring match-ups to go through, but in fairness, a lot of good ones were yet to come, and the finals, and we have gone through loads of boring match-ups throughout Ragnabot anyway, so we're capable of carrying on. Besides, with updates every one or two days, and the tournament size as it is, it's hardly going to drag. Datovidny (talk) 13:24, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Redoing the Old
Based on an idea I had back on the old Robot Wars facebook page, something I felt could be translated here. Basically, we take one of the old series of Robot Wars and redo it, but with the robots as they appeared in the newer series. So, for example, if we took the line-up of Series 2's Heat A...what started as this...


 * Caliban
 * Demolition Demon
 * Napalm
 * Panda Monium
 * Piece De Resistance
 * Victor

...becomes this...


 * Daisy Chopper
 * Demolition Demon 2
 * Napalm 2
 * Hot Pants (didn't consider Thunderpants since we saw nothing of it)
 * Metalis
 * The Kraken

Basically, the heat plays exactly the same, same line-up, same gimmicks...just with updated robots.

If there is going to be a problem with this, it'll be picking a suitable series. I know from the Alternate Heat Winners tournament that voting in the Gauntlet/Trials wasn't entirely fun, but I seriously think Series 2 would be the best bet - S1 had so many lower-weight robots it would hardly be fair and S3 had many robots that never fought after that, leaving the heats rather same-y. But if you like this idea, we can discuss it as and when.

Best in series
How about a championship with 12 heats following the series 5 format of 4 1-on-1 battles. Each heat is for a different main competition series containing the 8 robots that did the best in the championship (So those that made the grand final and the second semi-finals of the UK championships). There are seven UK championships, one German, two American and two Dutch. Where a robot has reached the same stage on more than one occasion, eg Firestorm, it would enter in its latest series in the top 8, so Series 6, if it finished in the place but lower than before in a alter series like Firestorm in series 7, it gives its place to the robot it defeated in the previous round. They use the version show in the series, so Panic Attack would be the Series 2 version. Where a team has reached the stage twice with robots with different pages on this wiki (Bodyhammer and Pussycat) they shall be treated as separate. Heats A-L J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 09:02, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Sounds interesting, but I don't think the wikia would take to doing a tournament that has a pre-done line-up, part of the reason I have never stated my idea of a UK version of Nickelodeon Robot Wars, which I have also made a pre-planned line-up for. If you like the idea that much, though, you could always make a little page linked to your own page and give your own thoughts as to who you think would win, like Toast has done. CrashBash (talk) 10:18, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was just to get a line-up. If people want to change it we could, but it was just to make sure I got my point across. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 11:13, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed the heat list, if the redemption championship is being finished after Ragnabot, this idea could be next, preceded by a vote for the robots from each series. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 06:37, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

People's Challenge
First of all, this needs to be stressed...this is NOT an idea for a tournament, but rather as an extra to be held, say, during any one heat of other tournaments, like during Series 3, 4 and 7 when they had bonus events. The premise is the same as the People's Challenge event that never went ahead for Extreme 1, where members of the wikia will post ideas for one-off battles between two (or more if they really want to) robots, and then the most popular choices can be held during the various heats of the next tournament as extras. The beauty of this is that any robot can potentially take part, with no obvious restrictions (for example, any RW champion could be involved...want Razer vs Black Hole? Go for it).

Lets say, for example, the next tournament was "Fantasy Audited War 2". In Heat A, the final is between Kat 3 and Scorpion. It is around about here we could have the first of the People's Challenges...say, Kan Opener vs Crushtacean. It's completely unrelated to the main tournament and it allows for additional discussion. CrashBash (talk) 18:14, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * So it's a bit like the Special event in Series 7. If we have the right users-heats amount, each user could pick one fight each for the different heats. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 18:40, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds fun, it'll be great to see fights that people want to see. Sam (BAZINGA) 18:41, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Ragnabot 2
If in the future, we decide to do a second series of Ragnabot, this is my proposal as to how it could happen. Firstly, seeds should be assigned depending on the results of Ragnabot 1, thusly. I have done a 1-64, which would put 4 seeds in a heat, but it could easily be cut down to 32 or even 16.

1. Razer

2. Tornado

3. Terrorhurtz

4. Bigger Brother

5. Firestorm 5

6. Atomic

7. Chaos 2

8. Hydra

9. Tricerabot 3.0

10. Hypno-Disc

11. Panzer Mk 4

12. frenZy

13. X-Terminator 3

14. Gravity

15. Bulldog Breed

16. Dominator 2

17. Centurion

18. Stinger

19. Panic Attack

20. Slicer

21. Thermidor 2

22. Big Nipper

23. Spawn Again

24. Cyclone 2 (Extreme Warriors)

25. Pussycat

26. Disc-O-Inferno

27. Destructive Criticism

28. Ripper

29. M2

30. Killerhurtz

31. Drillzilla

32. Leveler 2

33. Mortis

34. Weld-Dor 3

35. Raging Knightmare

36. Supernova

37. Tough As Nails

38. Rammstein

39. St. Agro

40. Mousetrap 2

41. Prizephita Mach 2

42. Eric

43. Kronic The Wedgehog

44. The Grim Reaper

45. IG-88

46. Tomahawk

47. Ming 2

48. Sir Force A Lot

49. All Torque

50. The Brute

51. PulverizeR

52. Hell's Teeth

53. Judge Shred 3

54. The Steel Avenger

55. Storm 2

56. Thor

57. Behemoth

58. Iron-Awe 2.1

59. Robochicken

60. Twister (Dutch)

61. X-Terminator 2

62. Steg 2

63. Pressure

64. Rocky-Bot-Boa

How the seeds will work: The top 16 follow the (What should have been) Series 4/7 format, of Heat A being 1st seed, Heat B being 3rd seed etc. The top 32 are arranged so each heat has a total of 33, so 1st fights 32nd, 2nd fights 31st etc. If 33-64 is chosen as well, then they start from the middle (Heat A has 40th and 55th seeds) and works out (Heat B has 41st and 54th...).

How the qualifiers work: If this is too hard to do, forget it, but if it is possible without too much faff, go ahead with it. All those that didn't qualify have to qualify again. They can either qualify in battles against other failed qualifiers or other robots. These other robots only consist of those that fell in Round 1 of the First Ragnabot. This means that all robots who made it to rounds 2 and onwards automatically qualify.

Sweepstake: All users who want to can pick ONE robot that fell in the heats of Ragnabot 1 at the start and accumulate points for it from the start. If it makes it through the heats to the Quarter-Finals, they automatically stay on your team and then the rest of the team is chosen around it.

We don't need to do Ragnabot 2 yet, in fact we could do with a break, but here is a framework for how it could be different following on from the Ragnabot we have already done. J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:18, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

A Formatting Idea
This isn't a tournament idea, but in looking over our past tournaments, I've observed that the old format works a lot better in 4-way melee situations. The old format is where everyone just posts their thoughts in a sub-header, rather than separating it by robot. I feel like I can make stronger arguments when I'm consolidating it all into one block of text (I wanted to say "everyone," but I can only gauge myself), rather than splitting it between the two qualifying bots. If we decide to re introduce 4 way melees, then I'd strongly recommend setting them up that way and only keeping it as is for the one-one-one's. Also, if we do 3-way eliminators, perhaps we should set it up so that people vote one robot out instead of two robots in - for the same reason of consolidating arguments. I'd be more open to formats outside of one-on-one if we do them this way. Just my two pence. '''R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas. ( My Talk )''' 13:26, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
E.G. The Battle is Firestorm III vs Behemoth vs 13 Black vs Kan Opener
 * I'm all for this idea. I don't tend to contribute much to melee battles because I find it difficult to argue for the two robots I want to go through, but I would find it easier if I could just say what I think will happen in the battle as a whole. Christophee (talk) 15:08, April 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is another way to do four way melees with the column thing, but it is quite complicated and would probably take up too much space.


 * The first column would say: Firestorm and Behemoth through.
 * The second column would say: 13 Black and Kan Opener through.
 * The third column would say: Firestorm III and 13 Black through.
 * The fourth column would say: Behemoth and Kan Opener through.
 * The fifth column would say: Firestorm III and Kan Opener through.
 * And the sixth and final column would say: Behemoth and 13 Black through.

It would mean you don't have to split your vote for both robots, but I certainly can see immediate flaws with it, like it would take up too much space, so you wouldn't get to put much description in if you wanted a long justification. Counting up votes would be a little more difficult, and it would be quite a lot of work for the person that is organizing the contest to insert all those pictures and columns. So I can understand why it's a bad idea, but I just had a sudden brainwave, and decided to type all of this out. RelicRaider (talk) 12:12, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Poll
''Time to reopen for discussion on our next competition. I'm not leaning particularly towards one competition at the moment, so I'll reserve judgement for a while. Matt Talk to me  17:29, September 15, 2013 (UTC)''
 * From previous discussions, it looks like people want to finish the Redemption Championship before we move on to another one. Failing that, I would like to do the "Best in Series" championship. J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 17:46, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would quite like to do another audited series. I don't mind which one. Christophee (talk) 17:53, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * We could do a Wikia Series 9, with seedings from Wikia Series 8 and all robots to make it through round one to get an automatic placing, with all first round dropouts going to the vote with us for their place. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 18:06, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not normally the sort of person to vote for my own ideas, but I think my House Robot Rebellion would be a bit refreshing. Aside from that, I wouldn't mind either way. CrashBash (talk) 18:23, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Seeing as we're apparently not interested in Audited Series 6, I think we're ready for Audited Series 7. In the future, I'd like to do A Fantasy Audited War again, and possibly Ragnabot 2. I will say though, I'm not interested in doing the House Robot Rebellion competition. It's a good idea, but if we want any of the house robots to lose (Sergeant Bash aside), we'll have to use top quality competitors, and that doesn't make for interesting heats in my opinion. Toast  Ultimatum  21:21, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, no one said they HAD to lose, persay. CrashBash (talk) 16:43, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Having never done an Audited series, do we get to chop and change a few robots around as in bin some off and bring in some others? If we do, I would be in favour of an Audited Series 7 with different seedings. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 21:23, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's how it works. With Audited Series 5, we had the Bin Candidates and Seeds pages to discuss these things. When the heats started, they looked like this, it's worth having a flick through. Toast  Ultimatum  21:32, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like Audited Series 7 sounds good. Already know two robots I would vote in. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 21:45, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * As long as people don't bin Gyrobot, NEATer Machine or Scraptosaur, I'm fine with whatever the line-up turns out to be. Maybe I'll throw in Pressure. Toast  Ultimatum  21:51, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * As long as Anarchy is seeded and Ruf Ruf Dougal appears, I would be happy. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 21:54, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, perhaps you don't quite understand the Audited Wars. This is an Audited Series 7, so we use robots that competed in, or failed to qualify for, Series 7. There's no evidence that Ruf Ruf Dougal or Anarchy tried to enter Series 7, so they're ineligible. Toast  Ultimatum  21:58, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * So Mortis would be eligible? That'd spice things up a bit. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:01, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did say that I had never done one before. OK, that makes sense. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 08:02, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Would robots like Terrorhurtz and Dominator 2 be eligible for an Audited Series 7 as they pulled out? J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 15:41, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say no, but if enough users want to put them in, it might happen. Toast  Ultimatum  16:16, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, I don't really see the point of doing an Audited Series 7...the likelihood is that a certain robot will breeze through the entire competition. CrashBash (talk) 22:07, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Surely the same would've applied for Razer and Series 5. If you're referring to Storm II, I would disagree, there are robots out there we could use to eliminate it (e.g. Spawn Again), and even if Storm II did win at the end of it all, the rest of the tournament would've been fun. Toast  Ultimatum  22:16, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * That was the same statement made for when Chaos 2 predictably won both Audited Series 3 and 4...and yet when Razer wins a tournament, no matter what happened, it's "boring". Somehow...well, at least Ragnabot was different. CrashBash (talk) 22:26, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I liked all of those audited series, regardless of whether the winner was predictable. The rest of the series always threw up interesting results. Even though I've said before that an Audited Series 7 might not be worthwhile, I think sorting out the seeds and including some of the better robots which failed to qualify will make it different enough from the real thing to make it fun. Christophee (talk) 23:53, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'd like to see the Redemption Championship completed before a new tournament gets started. If others would rather do a new tournament, I think the Tag Team Terror sweepstake idea, where everyone picks their own team, would be something a bit different, and give a good competitive element to the whole tournament. That may get more people involved in the Arena too. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:13, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Tag Team Terror sweepstake would work. The Counties championship could also be a sweepstake where users pick teams from their own county (So I would pick robots from Oxfordshire). J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 08:02, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * With so many ideas, I think this discussion could take a while. Whilst I would like Audited Series 6/7, as I have done for a long time now, it may be better if we hold on and do something different in the meantime, by different I mean either another small competition or just something that doesn't have conventional robots and line-ups that would be a bit refreshing to do. As far as that's concerned, I'm easy, but could we give finishing off the Redemption Championship a go? I was enjoying it while we had it, and with more voters and the better robots to come, I'm sure it'll be a good way of killing the time while we properly decide on the next competition. If we got through the early Ragnabot stages, with loads of boring robots, then why will this be such a drag?...and it really is anybody's guess as to who will win. Datovidny (talk) 12:50, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * It may sound like I keep changing my mind, but I am going to stick with my original vote and say we should finish the Redemption Championship before moving on. They seemed to get about 6 voters before, but by the end, Ragnabot had around 10 users voting. I am new to the arena and don't think the line-ups look boring. This is basically my Alternative Round One championship, so I have no problem with it. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 13:06, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose I'm in the same boat, finishing the Redemption Championship is fine by me (even though the results of the first four heats were... questionable...), as long as we get Audited Series 7 (or six, if users warmed to the idea) afterwards. Toast  Ultimatum  14:08, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreeing with this, I've been waiting for an Audited Series 6 or 7 for a while now, and having the Redemption Championship last a short while after the end of Ragnabot might make having one or the other acceptable. Datovidny (talk) 17:38, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll throw my two cents in here, I too would vote for an audited series 7, and actually, I think people are forgetting about a certain heat finalist who could probably beat Storm 2. that's who I think would win this over Storm, but I really want to keep the four way Melees, using RA2s suggested formatting method. I don't know, I guess it's my petty mind that wants it to be just like the real series 7. So yeah, if Melees are in question, then I will vote for series 7. Oh, and I wouldn't be in favour of continuing the Redemption championship, as I must say, it looked a little boring, and I can see why it was abandoned, so if we do end up continuing that, I don't think I'll be voting. RelicRaider (talk) 16:26, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, I would much prefer to have 1v1 battles. Even if they have a different style of formatting, four-way fights are still hard to predict and unenjoyable. Plus 1v1s give us more battles to vote on. Toast  Ultimatum  16:30, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd much prefer keeping the format identical to the actual tournament, and that does include the four-way melees. It wouldn't personally feel right otherwise. CrashBash (talk) 16:43, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Have to agree with CrashBash here completely, it wouldn't feel right to me if we had 1vs1 battles either. RelicRaider (talk) 19:50, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with Toast, it would make for a better forum competition if we did head to heads, as we've tried melees in the past, and half the votes include how it's difficult to tell, so it misses the point of the forum altogether, as you can't have a proper discussion/argument, you just pick two robots and say how they "could" avoid fire. Whereas head to heads will conjure up more battles and a much better discussion. While it wasn't the same as the real Series 6/7, well, whatever happens won't be the same as the real series. Datovidny (talk) 15:56, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think I'll be voting then, I'd prefer it to be like the real thing, so I think I'll wait till the heat semi finals, or even the semi finals to vote if we're doing it like that. My activity is beginning to drop anyway, so Ive become a little disinterested anyway, but I won't leave with a long absence like I did previously. I do visit the wiki everyday though. RelicRaider (talk) 18:16, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Result
Seems to me the consensus is to finish the abandoned Redemption Championship. Should I reset the competition with the same lineup, make a new draw, or simply carry on from where we left off? We'll follow this one up with Audited Series 7. Matt Talk to me  18:50, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * As there are some people not 100% into the idea, I'd suggest we just carry on. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 18:54, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Finish the old one off, I'm only interested so we don't have an unfinished competition, and the three-way melees might show the newer users how hard it is to decide a four-way melee. Toast  Ultimatum  19:02, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * So it's kind of like a Refresher course for those (like me) who haven't voted in anything that isn't 1-on-1's. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 19:04, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm fine either way. We've done four way melees before with only limited trouble, we just need a better way to organize them. CrashBash (talk) 19:18, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I say carry on, it'll be fun. Sam (BAZINGA) 20:12, September 17, 2013 (UTC)