Talk:Robot Wars (2016 series)/Archive 2

Behind the scenes
Here's an article talking about some of the Behind the scenes features. (it's also got a cool bit of artwork at the top of page) http://www.wired.co.uk/article/new-robot-wars-2016-behind-the-scenes Diotoir the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 07:21, June 11, 2016 (UTC)


 * It's an interesting read, but it does make me wonder what EXACTLY is the format for this new series. I mean, their description doesn't seem to match what we know about the pilot, and even that was bogged down by time restraints. But it's clearly unlike anything we've had before...which only makes me want to hear something official. CrashBash (talk) 15:57, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

When I went to the Pilot it was 2 4 way melees nothing new there and then it made the remaining 4 battle it out with each other but getting the chance to fight everyone( Obviously that didn't happen in the Pilot due to time constraints. Then the 2 that win most battles fight it out in the final for a place in the grand final. Or at least that's what I'm assuming :) 321Annihilate (talk) 16:12, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * If that was the case for the pilot, why didn't Merlin face Turbulence in the final? Could the original plan for the pilot had been written up for the article, and at the last, they were force to change? So many questions, so little answers... --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 15:02, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, we know that a robot might have to take part in as many as, 12, I think, fights to win...so goodness knows. CrashBash (talk) 15:10, June 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * Time. Plain and simple, they didn't have enough of it to run through all the battles they should've. Craaig (talk) 15:20, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems like the only way they could fight 12 fights would be through a football style tournament after a 4 way melee with the rest of the robots in a heat, before another football style tournament in the grand final where every robot fights one another before a final. But that would be incredibly impractical. Seems misinformed to me. RelicRaider (talk) 15:34, June 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * The sooner we hear official news, the better. Not knowing exactly how everything is structured is really bugging me. CrashBash (talk) 17:28, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

They did officially tell us, Reaper had problems after its first round 2 fight and withdrew and Ka Pow was put through due to time constraints. 321Annihilate (talk) 19:37, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I mean official news on the whole structure. And I don't just mean the heats. CrashBash (talk) 20:23, June 17, 2016 (UTC)


 * Reaper had no problems, they were just saving time by putting bots straight back in. Craaig (talk) 21:16, June 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Craaig. We have may have a problem with what you said about Reaper, as we heard it couldn't fire its flipper as the pipes or the gas bottle or something else was acting and preventing it from self-righting and then not working. I take it Monte was in pilot thanks to Alan taking it there for any number of reasons. I am correct in thinking that Wrath managed to its self working after round 1 was done? --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 12:53, June 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Whatever you heard was wrong, sorry to say :P Yes about Monte, no about Wraith. Craaig (talk) 13:37, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

So based around what Craaig said, Monte was there, at the pilot, because reasons. Wraith must have worked at some point during the filming or was the team falling under the curse of The Parthian Shot? Ironically, despite what the article and Andrew Robertson says, knowledge of the competitors expands. Now, I'm not going to reveal where the information is or which robots its about, but it exists. Having said that, is Death Metal the only house robot with a petrol engine, Craaig? --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 16:58, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Robot Wars Trailer
Angela has said that filming for the trailer has happened, and mentions that it's coming "soon" https://twitter.com/angelascanlon/status/745177452603838464 Diotoir  the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 08:30, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

New Pictures
Hi everybody, just seen some new photos of the house robots which have just been posted on the Robot Wars Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/thisisrobotwars/

Liam Bryant (talk) 13:03, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd like these to become the new main images on the House Robot articles. I'll be busy for a few hours due to the referendum and such, but if it's not done by tonight, I'll get it sorted. Toast  Ultimatum  14:47, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * What's the plan with regards to stats? List both and add the year in brackets? Craaig (talk) 15:08, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that depends if they reveal any official stats, but I do think we should be consistent and add the most-up-to-date stats we can. CrashBash (talk) 15:12, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * They already have, check the BBC Two FB/Twitter or URW Craaig (talk) 15:14, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-06-23/this-is-the-first-proper-look-at-the-upgraded-robot-wars-2016-house-robots for some stats, or check on BBC Two's Twitter account. Diotoir  the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 15:29, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the BBC Two Twitter, but I do know that stats are on the BBC Two FB, with official images being on the URW FB page (thisisrobotwars, I believe). Edit: Diotoir beat me to the radio times link. --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 15:33, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Y'know I wonder if we'll get some competitor images soon? First Angela gives info about the trailer(s) and now the official shots of the House Robots, what's next? Also I've noticed a little camera on Shunt. Diotoir the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 15:39, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the official Facebook page, and it's been updated today. They've uploaded the photos of the House Robots there, and promise airing dates will be announced soon. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:08, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Really guys? I was obviously adding all the images in the same format, I don't need two other people jumping in and getting the format wrong. I know we all want the edits and the pride of adding it, but allowing people to do it properly and all the same way is a better way to do it. We may need to set guidelines for how to add stuff to the wiki when the episodes are broadcast. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:32, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * I only added the old picture back because he removed it. Also I've seen on other wikias that you can get two images on the Infobox, sort of like a slideshow. I wonder if there's a way to do it for the House Robots? Diotoir  the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 16:35, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Just trying to help. Plus, when I started no pages had been edited, only the uploads had happened. You might've just upped them and left it, how was I to know? We're all on the same level here lol... Craaig (talk) 16:36, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

Nobody is at fault for trying to update the articles at the same time, everybody's intentions were pure. I can, however, see what Jimlaad means with regards to making people aware of edits people are planning to make. Indeed, I've already written several articles about new competitors offline, and I am quite afraid of edit conflicts when posting these, and updating new ones. I would say that if you upload an image first, it's OK to say in the upload summary "I'm going to start/update this article now". I'd also like to send a Facebook message to any potential editor who knows the full list of competitors (so Sam and Diotoir, as far as I'm aware) which articles I have written, so that I can post them without fear. Heat articles, again the best way is to probably upload an image and state your intentions to write the page. I can say right now that I saw two second-round battles from Heats D and E live, so I'm probably the best one to write those. If a day has passed since a heat airing, I don't think we should have to worry about edit conflicts on any pages. Toast Ultimatum  18:41, June 23, 2016 (UTC)


 * And me. CrashBash (talk) 18:56, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, when the episodes are on, nobody should edit the wiki. Rather than trying to be the one to make the article ASAP, just sit back and enjoy the episodes first. After they are shown, use the wiki chat to discuss the episode and THEN work out in there who is going to do what edits. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 20:05, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Noone in their right mind would be on the Internet while the episode is airing on TV, we've waited 13 years for this! Toast  Ultimatum  20:28, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Likely I'd watch it, catch the general details, then watch on catch-up to see what I may have missed. CrashBash (talk) 20:39, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * No Sgt Bash... oh well... the others look pretty nasty though... 80.111.246.131 21:18, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

New teaser trailers
BBC 2's official Facebook page now has a couple of teaser trailers. They detail some of the robots, so don't watch if you don't want to be spoiled. SpaceManiac888 (talk) 13:53, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

The BBC's programme page for Robot Wars has been updated with three new teaser trailers and pages on the house robots. Each teaser is 15 seconds long and focusses on a competitor robot. The robot in teaser trailer three looks interesting to say the least. 81.96.24.141 14:22, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

YEEEEEEESSSS!!!!!:D On facebook teams who feature in the trailers are being allowed to confirm that they have entered, also is this a clue that Robot Wars maybe arriving closer than we think? Diotoir the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 14:23, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

I've looked closely at the second one and I can identify all of the robots. 321Annihilate (talk) 17:02, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

If you pause the videos during the battle scenes you can make out some other robots including an old favorite of mine. 321Annihilate (talk) 17:04, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

A little theory about the trailers I think that these robots are from Heat A because if you slow the trailer down you can see other robots that appear again and again. 321Annihilate (talk) 17:16, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah I noticed that, except maybe trailer one which was different and certainly wasn't from Heat A. Diotoir  the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 17:43, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * They could be from Heat B and Heat D, given how they're shown. I'm curious as to why the floor flipper was flipping an active Storm 2, although this is probably part of "new" robot wars. The teasers seem to imply that the football type tournament is correct... I think. I'm not sure if what TR2 had during the most recent live event (Guilford or Portsmouth) will be present in the TV part, but its fun to guess. --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 17:53, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * I will say this two of these trailers do spoil the fact that these robots get past round one judging from the opponents fought. Diotoir  the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 18:26, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * They're definitely from two separate heats. Toast  Ultimatum  22:23, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

A bit of news, BBC One has advertised the Thor trailer on TV, don't know if this is completely true. Diotoir the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 20:19, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * It is indeed, I was watching at the time. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:21, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed the quotes on the House Robots pages are taken directly from here? CrashBash (talk) 22:16, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't find the source of those quotes at all, to be honest. Toast  Ultimatum  22:23, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

Releasing Articles
So we've had our trailers, and three robots received a large spotlight. Their respective Facebook pages are now allowed to talk about their involvement with the series. Additionally, other robots were revealed simply by being in the footage, and most are recognisable ones that we COULD update the articles for, but some who didn't notice might call it a spoiler, especially when I saw a brand-new robot that few people recognised, due to the fact I saw it at my live filming session. The way I see it, we've got three options, and I'd like to see some votes on what we should do.

Option 1
Sign below if you think we should update the articles of the three veterans who received spotlight in the three trailers
 * I just feel this is the safer bet. I mean, we and the majority of both casual and hardcore fans will recognise most of the robots in the trailers, but BBC may not be best pleased with the wiki if we publish all of the other confirmed names. I think we should play this safe and just include these three robots. SpaceManiac888 (talk) 19:24, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * This would be the option I agree with. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:30, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * This one we know who these 3 are because there in the whole of it but the others we are not sure on, this trailer is not a spoiler because the bbc have released to there own youtube and they would not release it if it would spoil the show! Dylanr21 (talk) 20:50, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * Just the three in the trailers, none others. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 20:57, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * Totally agree, play it safe. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 09:32, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out that the live event flipper has gone out of their way to say that they're in the new series, so yeah I don't think "playing it out safe" is much of a worry now, well to those who appear in the trailers. Diotoir  the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 09:44, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Option 2
Sign below if you think we should do the above, and update the obvious veteran returners and obvious live circuit robots, but not the newcomers that were built specifically for the series
 * Toast Ultimatum  17:49, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we should say they're in the new series as it's been officialy confirmed, keeping it hidden seems like silly idea and makes us seem oblivious to the obvious. Up date the images but technical info we will have to wait for unless the teams say something. Diotoir the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 18:02, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * A lot of people are likely to have seen the reddit post anyway containing the names of 35 of the 40 robots, so I'm happy with this. The R A Z 3R (talk) 18:18, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * I personally do not mind, but I feel this is the easiest option. It allows us to update extra details that are not related to the actual performance of robots in the 2016 Series, and is also from an official source. I don't see much to suggest us needing to hold this information back. Nweston8 (talk) 18:55, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm torn between this one and option 1- the 3 main competitors featured in the trailers are givens, but I feel like we should include other robots only if we're absolutely certain that they're in. Seeing as others feel like they're obvious, I'm happy with this. `Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:07, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * We are certain about the robots in the trailers - at least four users here know all 40 competitors, including myself. Even Storm2's mysterious opponent, I happen to know it, but that's an article I won't publish as it'd be slightly more spoilery than a veteran or a robot that fights at Robot Wars live. I believe the spinner fighting Thor had its name painted on it, but I'd avoid that one for now too. Toast  Ultimatum  19:10, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * You could always make the article but only have live event info or just say they will be in 2016 and will be fighting these robots in Round 1. Diotoir  the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 19:13, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * That's the plan if we get community concensus - I messaged Jimlaad and CrashBash on Facebook and Drop Zone over the wiki, hopefully I can get a response before the day ends. Toast  Ultimatum  19:18, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's hardly a secret to anyone who's seen it, and we can always delete them if things do turn out bad. CrashBash (talk) 21:43, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * Why deny what has been revealed? Sam (BAZINGA) 23:51, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

Option 3
Sign below if you think we should leave all competitor articles alone until the episodes air, regardless of how obvious they are
 * This would probably be the best option available, as add/edit 8 robots between the heats showing up on TV. It would also allow us to check for errors in the robot's history and mistakes on the stats. I don't know if anyone else was join me based around this idea... --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 17:59, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * Voting this. Doing this means no incorrect information could be inadvertently shared. Craaig (talk) 10:05, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

Results
Please do NOT put any results from the Teaser Trailer on the robots page, that IS a step too far. J im laa  d4   3 (talk) 11:55, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Always gonna be a problem if you're adding some information but not all of it. Need to clearly define what you are and aren't updating if you're going to insist on updating articles before airing. Craaig (talk) 12:12, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * The way I see it is that, yes say that they're in the series but don't put any results down until the episode has aired. Diotoir  the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 12:33, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * To be fair, from what I saw, only one/two robots that the teaser trailer robots had faced were put into the results section, not the actual outcome of the battle. Understand the concern though. Nweston8 (talk) 12:55, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * You're right it didn't have outcomes just robots it faced. But I think that fact that two of the trailers clearly had shown more than one round involved which would have meant that putting down the robot and who they fought could in its self spoil outcomes. Diotoir  the  son  of  nemesis  (talk) 13:09, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * This is why I don't like us putting anything in, because there will always be points when too much is put in by someone, and people who don't want to read it then stumble upon it and get it spoiled and have to revert it. On the wiki, we should play the side of caution at all times. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 14:58, June 26, 2016 (UTC)