Forum:If a small thing had changed/Archive 2

I want to use this page to discuss possibilities of a certain robot winning a single battle, or not dropping out, or if a seed had changed. Use this page to break into subsections.

Anyone is welcome to add their own "what if", as long as they have reason to believe it would be worth discussing.

However, please do not add your opinion to a section if all you are doing is agreeing fully with what was said.

Better Health and Safety in the Pits
Ok, we know that the health and safety in the pits was pretty shocking, with More Panda-Monium dropped at one point causing the spike cannon to go off, forcing the removal of all side competitions in the Third Wars and prompting Rex Garrod's protest. What would have happened if the health and safety procedures were more stringent? I'm asking what would have happened in the side competitions, but more importantly Cassius 2 only withdrew from the International League competition because of it. Razer would not have been favoured nearly as much by the producers, it probably wouldn't be in the First World Championship, so no high seedings, so changes the face of every single war after the Third. So what happens? Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:33, April 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, it's speculation to say that Razer was only favoured by the Producers because of Rex Garrod retiring. It did win the Best Design award twice at that time, and the Razer website only said that they replaced Cassius in the International League, not the World Championship as well. If safety procedures were better, then Rex Garrod would most likely have stayed. I think Cassius would have been seeded for Series 4 having been twice a Grand Finalist despite going out in the previous war.


 * Let's say that for the sake of this hypothetical situation, there were no safety mishaps, Cassius 2 didn't have that blunder against Pussycat (since saying where exactly it could be anywhere in the lowers seedings otherwise- Team Cold Fusion below Cerberus?!?!) and the Heat structures for the next few wars stay as true to real life as they could be.
 * Cassius with more control could pit Pussycat. Then it would flip Scutter's Revenge to reach the Semi-Finals. Cassius would chuck 101 around and win on aggression. Against Hypno-Disc, it's tough to say. A fully working Hypno would have a good shot at tearing into Cassius, but by the time it fought 101, Hypno-Disc's weapon was pretty worn out. If Cassius can get one good early flip in, then it's over. Steg-O-Saw-us falls with one flip, and then the same happens to it against Firestorm in the playoff. Chaos 2 marks the end of Cassius 2's run. Chaos 2 is a lot easier to control and just has to stick its flipper blade slightly under Cassius to chuck it, while Cassius would have to charge and get right underneath. Chaos 2 wins, possibly with another oota.


 * Razer still fights in the World Championship and wins. Cassius 2 blitzes the International League; it quickly chucks Techno-Lease over, then does the same to Prometheus (If it doesn't break down) and Diotoir.

The resulting Series 4 seeds would look like this in my opinion:

1. Chaos 2

2. Cassius 2

3. Firestorm 2

4. Steg 2 (Hey, 4 2s in a row!)

5. Razer (Since the play-off happened, the top 4 would be intact, but the Producers would try to get Razer into the high rankings)

6. Panic Attack

7. Behemoth

8. Gemini

9. Hypno-Disc

10. 101

11. Wild Thing

12. Evil Weevil 2

13. Gravedigger

14. Bigger Brother

15. Wheely Big Cheese

16. Killerhurtz

17. King B3

18. Cerberus

The order onwards is the same except Pussycat is pushed down; Aggrobot 2 is bumped up to 19, Diotoir to 20, X-Terminator to 21. Pussycat is 22 (Runner-up with Bodyammer, but then lost in Gauntlet and Round 2), and the normal order resumes from Moris at 23 to Suicidal Tendencies at 32. Though, Spawn of Scutter could have a shot at a lower seeding.

Here's how I think Cassius 2 would do. Heat P- Predator looks more prone to toppling, so Cassius and Raizer Blade advance. V-Max gets the honour of meeting its inspiration.... and then gets chucked around before being pitted. In the Heat Final, Cassius disposes of Raizer Blade with a flip. Splinter then has a much more merciful fate than in real life and is merely flipped over.

For who Cassius would meet in the top 8, we look at the structure of Heats M and N. The seeds in what was truly M (since it and F were swapped around possibly to make Gemini fight Chaos 2 in the semis) would be Gemini and Berserk 2. Tornado still wins this.

Heat N, the seeds are Panic Attack and Pussycat. Panic Attack pits Rambot, while Pussycat cuts up Millenium Bug's legs. Panic Attack then carries Judge Shred 2 around the arena and into the pit, while the Extreme 2 annihilator final happens a year early with Pussycat beating Arnold Arnold Terminegger via the Judges. We saw Pussycat vs Panic Attack in Series 5, and I imagine that Pussycat would still win here.

In Round 1 of the semis, Pussycat faces Tornado. I think that Tornado can still do what it did to Pussycat twice in Extreme. It used the disc there and still survived Pussycat with some scars, so I can see it giving Pussycat some mighty slams, possibly removing a wheel again. The Judges put Tornado through, but then it falls to Cassius 2, who exploits its high ground clearance by chucking it around.

Cassius faces Hypno-Disc in the Grand Final eliminator (Hypno-Disc beat Henry 2, Shadow of Napalm, Dominator 2, Razer! and Firestorm 2 to get here), and Hypno-Disc gets its revenge. The disc is a lot stronger and more reliable this time, plus Hypno-Disc can self right. Hypno-Disc cleaves into Cassius' flipper when it fires it, then smashes the sides in to win.

Chaos 2 won its real heat, then beat Behemoth and Wild Thing to get here. Stinger had the same run as in real life until it fought Steg 2 in the top 8. Chaos 2 beats Stinger like in real life, then Stinger beats Cassius 2 in the play-off via the Judges on damage and aggression. In the final, it's a fight that everyone wanted to see; Chaos 2 vs Hypno-Disc with a Srimech. I think that Chaos 2 could still win this one. It's 10mm thick chassis is strong enough to take some hits from Hypno-Disc if it needs to, and it has the necessary speed and control to scoop Hypno up and throw it Oota. Chaos 2 wins!

Who knows what would happen beyond then?

The seedings for Series 5 looks like this in my mind (partly based on the priorities of the real list, could be extended to 32 robots):

1. Chaos 2

2. Hypno-Disc

3. Stinger

4. Cassius 2

5. Razer (It did reach the semis this time, plus the Producers would take the side competitions into account again).

6. Firestorm 3 (Won heat C easily, flipping Aggrobot 2 around in the Heat Final. defeated Thermidor 2 via the Judges before having its 3mm aluminium torn apart by Hypno-Disc).

7. 3 Stegs to Heaven (flipped S.M.I.D.S.Y. into the pit to win Heat O, then beat 101 before losing to Stinger).

8. Behemoth (round 1 semi-finalist after winning Heat D, veteran with first World Championship runner-up status).

9. Wild Thing (Won Heat F against Steel Avenger. Beat Wheely Big Cheese on the Judges in the semis, then lost to Chaos 2).

10. Tornado

11. 101 (Won Heat L by pitting Knightmare, but then got chucked around by Steg 2 in the semis).

12. Wheely Big Cheese

13. Pussycat (previous great success in Series 1, demoted a bit for crashing out in Series 2 and 3).

14. Panic Attack (Heat Finalist, but former champion).

15. Thermidor 2

16. Splinter

17. Gemini

18. Mousetrap 2

19. Dominator 2 (Heat Finalist and Annihilator runner-up).

20. Suicidal Tendencies (twice a Heat Finalist).

21. Aggrobot 2 (same, ST pushed above for generally better fights. While it wasn't in the real Series 5, it did try to qualify. Gets automatic entry for seeding).

22. The Steel Avenger

23. S.M.I.D.S.Y.

24. Bulldog Breed 3

MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 09:05, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

I think Cassius 2 would've been in the World Championship. Razer was only in the WC because it won the ILC. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:38, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Razer was in the ILC because Cassius 2 pulled out. There is nothing about Cassius pulling out of the WC as well, or Razer having to take its place there too.  ManU Crazy   (talk)  23:23, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Eric Pits King B2
What would've happened if Eric had successfully put King B2 in the pit instead of just driving in itself? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:53, April 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Eric would probably beat Weld-Dor; the axe won't do anything, and I can see Eric either tipping the Irish machine over,or hooking under it with the lifter and guiding it into the pit ala The Big Cheese. Eric will come up short against 101 though. Mike Franklin's great driving will allow him to shove Eric around easily, and 101 might even be able to make some small holes with the spike. The Judges put 101 through to the Semi-Finals on aggression. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 21:34, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Wheely Big Cheese out in Round 1
How would heat H of series 4 have gone if Prizephita had not been ruled immobilised, and Wheely went out instead. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Interesting one. Prizephita could probably beat Killerton in round 2. It wouldn't flip it, but the old Bin lid's axe has past its best and I see it ending up down the pit. Suicidal Tendencies beats Prizephita in the Heat Final through axing and pitting it. In the Semi-Finals however, Tornado bulldozes ST into submission. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 22:34, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hypno-Disc beat Behemoth in All-Stars
How would the All-Star Quarter Finals have gone down if that upset had not been pulled off? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:27, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Razer vs Hypno-Disc. The match up everyone wanted to see, everyone has their own opinion on how it would go, and no one's really sure how it would actually go. If Razer gets the first bite, it wins, if Hypno Disc gets the first hit in, it wins. I don't want to call it, but I'll put Hypno Disc through for the sake of this being different from the actual competition.


 * Hypno-Disc faces Firestorm, and whilst it won in series 5 (initially), something wasn't right with Firestorm, it shouldn't have just taken one hit and conked out. Seeing as it completely bossed the third place playoff without a flipper, I think Firestorm takes it. Firestorm vs Tornado in the final... Tornado won in series 6, but I think without the wedge Tornado is at a clear disadvantage, Firestorm can keep getting underneath and tipping it over, winning on the judges' decision. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:03, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * As much as I'd love to state my opinions, there's a time and a place for me to do so. CrashBash (talk) 19:30, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sixth Wars, Heat H
What if Spam pitted Spawn Again, not itselfVampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:51, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Supernova smegged themselves up in the heat final, they had problems. So Spam go through. Spam face Terrorhurtz in the next round and get obliterated. Losers Melee isn't a win, even if they get it fixed. Spam reach the Extreme 2 All-Stars. Up against Dominator 2 and Hypno-Disc, they get picked off. Say they did get the 7th seeds for series 7. ROTAS are the strongest in round 1 and go through with Chip. Chip are able to beat R.O.C.S. and face Raging Knightmare, who are beaten by the judges on damage. Chip vs Tornado is easy. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 21:17, April 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Supernova did have problems and only got a few hits in on Spawn Again in the Heat Final, but I have a feeling it could take care of Spam given that window of opportunity by shredding the wheels. Terrorhurtz upgraded its side armour after the Fluffy incident, but I think it would still be vulnerable to a shredding from Supernova. In the loser's melee, Terrohurtz and Bigger Brother immobilise Hypno-Disc before Terrorhurtz smashes up BB like in real life. To avoid a rematch, the round 2 draw is Tornado vs Supernova and Terrorhurtz vs Dominator 2. Tornado shoves Supernova into the arena walls from the Sri Lankan machine's sides, which causes it to fly away from the disc hitting the walls. Under the constant barrage of stress, Supernova breaks down. Meanwhile, Dominator 2 and Terrorhurtz aggressively flail away with their axes. Dominator 2 makes several holes and its shell holds firm under pressure from Terrorhurtz's axe. The Judges put Dominator 2 through to the Grand Final.


 * Tornado beats Firestorm, while Dominator 2 gets its wish and pulls off an upset against Razer, making several holes in the shell and resisting attacks from the crusher thanks to its thick sloping armour. Razer beats Firestorm in the playoff, before Tornado pits Dominator 2 in the final.


 * Without getting into the All-Star placement, here's the resulting Series 7 seeds: 1. Tornado 2. Dominator 2 (If it doesn't pull out) 3. Firestorm V 4. Terrorhurtz 5. Supernova 6. Dantomkia 7. Bigger Brother 8. 13 Black 9. Panic Attack 10. Pussycat 11. Spawn Again 12. Behemoth 13. X-Terminator 14. Bulldog Breed 15. Thermidor 2 16. Storm 2 MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 12:51, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Hypnodisc Wins 6th Wars Losers Mêlée
What if H-D, not Bigger Brother was through to the last eight to face Terrorhurtz? Now that would be a good battle, disc vs axe. I'd love to hear other people's opinions;here are mine: H-D and Terrorhurtz fight instead of Bigger Brother. Terrorhurtz if lucky could dent the disc, but personally I think Hypno would smash up its polycarbonate armour, putting it through to the final for the fourth consecutive time. There it faces Razer; Firestorm still faces Tornado. In the eliminator between HD and Razer, I'm afraid I can't see Razer doing any real damage, and I've read lots of people speculate that H-D can beat Razer, so it smashes and buckles the latter's wheel before it can really do anything. The resultant third place play off results in Razer coming third and Firestorm fourth; Razer would in all likelihood win. Then in the actual final, Tornado was seen beating Hypno Disc in the real semis, so with HD's disc so high up I can't really see it do anything, and Tornado could either pit it or, should it go to the judges, win on aggression.

This is how the seeds for the 7th Wars would look:
 * 1) Tornado
 * 2) Firestorm
 * 3) Bigger Brother
 * 4) Terrorhurtz
 * 5) Dantomkia
 * 6) Spawn Again
 * 7) 13 Black
 * 8) Panic Attack
 * 9) Pussycat
 * 10) Behemoth
 * 11) X-Terminator
 * 12) Bulldog Breed
 * 13) S.M.I.D.S.Y,
 * 14) Thermidor
 * 15) Ming
 * 16) Storm 2

The same as in real life, but two robots swapped. And in the series 7, Bigger Brother wins Heat B instead of The Grim Reaper who it beats in the heat final, Typhoon 2 still wins Heat O, BB loses to Storm 2 in the semi's, and the rest of the series plays out as normal. If BB did manage to beat Storm 2 (not impossible), it would lose to Firestorm, who would beat Tornado, who would win the play-off, and then in the final Firestorm V trounces Typhoon 2 to finally be crowned champion. Unless BB is drawn against an unseeded robot instead...Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:26, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Tornado
What if Tornado never used its anti-crusher frame, etc? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:08, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Seeing as Razer defeated Tornado with ease every time the frame wasn't used, it's a bit of a foregone conclusion I'm afraid. The only competitions that would have changed as a result would have been the European Championship, so Razer goes through to fight Philliper 2 and probably wins- the crusher is more effective and the lifter won't do much- and the International Competition in US Season 2, where it faces General Chompsalot 2. I've never seen General Chompsalot fight, but those exposed wheels look very vulnerable, and the jaws won't gain much purchase on Razer. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:07, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Razer pits Tornado in Series 6
On a similar note to the above entry, here's a clash that could have changed a lot had it gone the other way. At the end of the Sixth Wars' final, Razer tried to dump Tornado over the pit, but couldn't let go. Had Razer been able to properly suspend Tornado with all of its wheels dangling over the pit, it would have been declared the winner of the battle. If Razer won and the team were convinced to enter Series 7 (wether the fallout in Extreme 2 happened or not), how would that series change?

First of all, this is probably how the seeds would look:

1. Razer

2. Tornado

3. Firestorm V

4. Terrorhurtz (may or may not be ready in time)

5. Bigger Brother

6. Dantomkia

7. Spawn Again

8. 13 Black

9. Panic Attack

10. Pussycat

11. Behemoth

12. X-Terminator

13. Bulldog Breed

14. S.M.I.D.S.Y.

15. Thermidor 2

16. Storm 2

The entire seeding system is bumped down a notch aside from Storm 2. Assuming that the non seeded robots in each Heat and the draw for the Semi-Finals remain the same, how does the series turn out? MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 12:32, May 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've just spent the last half an hour crafting a response to this, but I clicked on a link by accident and lost the whole thing. Damn it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:59, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a copy of it? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:59, May 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * No, I was just doing it on here... I had got to 13 Black's heat and was mentally debating 13 Black against Tough As Nails, went to check something about one of the robots and lost this page... Combatwombat555 (talk) 18:13, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

For the sake of a good argument, I'm going to assume two things. First, Terrorhurtz is properly prepared. Second, Thunderpants is replaced with Ming Dienasty. Otherwise, everything else is the same.


 * HEAT A: Razer easily takes out Saw Point 2 and takes out Devastator, perhaps seeing it as the biggest threat. Nothing changes in the second melee as Ming Dienasty is regretably ravaged by both spinners before Barber-Ous breaks down. Razer then treats Leveller 2 like any other flipper before evading Tetanus Booster's drum and crushing into it, ala its first few fights with Tornado.
 * HEAT B: Firestorm manages to flip Killerkat on its side and Jackson Wallop onto its back. It is drawn against Big Nipper and eventually gets it out of the arena, before treating The Grim Reaper to the same trip.
 * HEAT C: Bigger Brother teams up with King B Powerworks to defeat Rick and Hassock's Hog. It weather's Scorpion's blows long enough to flip it out of the arena before overturning IG-88 for an easy win.
 * HEAT D: Spawn Again easily deals with Herbinator and The Alien. Drawn up against Gravity, a very tactical battle develops, but eventually Spawn's lower ground clearance wins out and Gravity is flipped OOTA. Lightning is easily beaten due to flipper set-up.
 * HEAT E: Panic Attack narrowly survives the first round after Roobarb helps it beat Twister and Brutus Maximus. Its luck runs out against M2 who eventually flips it over. Rest of the heat proceeds as normal.
 * HEAT F: Behemoth helps dispose of Major Tom and Diabolus, and has no trouble at all with Killer Carrot 2. Against Tsunami, however, it is completely outmanuvered and flipped OOTA.
 * HEAT G: Bulldog Breed easily gets past Terror Turtle, Cygnus and Mean Streak, but Atomic's superior flipper lip gives it the win, and the OOTA.
 * HEAT H: Thermidor flips Metalis over, and eventually turns its attention to Scraptosaur, who isn't as good at self-righting as Ceros is. A close battle against St Agro follows, with Thermidor eventually taking the win after being able to better exploit the ground clearance. It uses the same advantage against Ceros until it gets stuck.
 * HEAT I: Nothing changes.
 * HEAT J: S.M.I.D.S.Y. chooses to defeat Mobot by pitting it, and treats 8645T just the same as before. It also manages to pit The Kraken before ramming Mighty Mouse around enough to get it down the pit.
 * HEAT K: X-Terminator destroys Jabber and Infernal Contraption (259 all over again) before immobilising Hard in one hit. It tears several chunks out of Kat 3's side to take the victory.
 * HEAT L: Pussycat chooses to take advantage of UFO's flipper not working rather than take out Crushtacean. Obviously Tartarus goes out, but the judges will most likely eliminate UFO. Pussycat is drawn against Mute, and finds itself in problems from the newcomer's flipper, which is too much like Firestorm's for its liking. I suspect it may unfortunately lose the judges decision. Judge Shred, meanwhile, manages to flip Crushtacean enough times to get it to the arena wall and then OOTA. Heat final plays as normal.
 * HEAT M: 13 Black manages to get past Spin Doctor and Edge Hog, but is unable to damage Tough As Nails at all, and is eventually pitted. Heat continues as normal.
 * HEAT N: Dantomkia defeats NEATer Machine, Chip and R.O.C.S., and manages to outmanuvere and outlast Raging Knightmare, getting it OOTA.
 * HEAT O: Terrorhurtz easily takes out Colossus and U.R.O., and lands numerous axe blows on Iron Awe 2.1, who can't do what it did to Bigger Brother because Terrorhurtz's frantic axe swings mean it can't be flipped too easily. Typhoon 2, however, is a different matter. A bit like Fluffy, anyone?
 * HEAT P: Tornado pits Bamm Bamm and Black & Blue, then does the same to Reptirron the Second and Ripper, putting some nice tooth-marks in the latter's paper-thin armour.
 * SEMI-FINAL 1: Razer beats Dantomkia in the same way it did the year before, as does Bigger Brother against Spawn Again. Tsunami is able to get its flipper underneath Thermidor's claws before throwing it OOTA, and X-Terminator is able to resist TAN's push and cause some minor damage with its flywheel, ultimately winning on aggression. In Round 2, Razer beats Bigger Brother as it did in the Series 5 Grand Final (minus the war wounds) and, as much as I'd love it to be different, X-Terminator vs Tsunami plays out the same way with the same mistake on the German machine's part.
 * SEMI-FINAL 2: Tornado manages to defeat Mute by pushing it more convincingly than Storm 2 did when they faced off. Typhoon 2 immobilises S.M.I.D.S.Y. with little effort. The battles between Storm 2 and Firestorm/Atomic and M2 play out as normal. Both the Round 2 matches also play out as they did when the robots actually fought.
 * GRAND FINAL: Typhoon vs X-Terminator plays out as normal. Razer vs Storm 2 (some fight, eh?) is very close, but eventually, Razer manages to win out with its uber-low-ground clearance (I'm pretty sure it's lower than even Storm's), and it uses its crusher to grapple, penetrate and pit the New Blood winners. Storm 2 beats the limping X-Terminator in the playoff pretty much the same way Tornado did. Razer faces Typhoon 2 in the final, and is completely overwhelmed - the cone is the wrong shape to grab and Typhoon's blades are low enough to catch the wheels. Eventually, Razer is hit in just the wrong place and the wheels lock up. Typhoon wins Series 7, in a much more convincing and fair way. CrashBash (talk) 18:20, May 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Totally agreed, the only minor differences was that I'd have put Gravity through against Spawn Again and St Agro beating Thermidor 2 by using the claws as a chock, but I can't argue with your logic. Kudos, that must have taken ages! Combatwombat555 (talk) 18:28, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Daisy competing
How would series 3 have gone down if Daisy entered the arena and Binky never competed?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:23, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't know how effective the 'skipping rope' weaponry was, but the original Aggrobot was huge and slanted, it'd have a job causing any damage whatsoever to it. Aggrobot is a bit slow and ponderous, and the weaponry is mounted too high to hit Daisy, but it should have the edge in a pushing battle. No real change. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:27, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Inshredable pitted in round 1
What if Inshredable had failed to escape from the pit? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:45, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * So that'd be Terror-Bull against Anarchy. I don't think Terror-Bull can't self-right from its side, and the armour's not too bad but Anarchy's axe is very good. Anarchy to win by knockout, so nothing changes. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:48, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Shredder not pitted in Fifth Wars
Shredder started aggressively against Mousetrap, but accidentally drove into the pit. What if it hadn't? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:59, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Shredder against S3. Shredder would be... well, shredded, it'd lose worse than it did in series 6. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:48, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Blade's Big Bruva & Trident in the Fourth Wars
These two were seeded but pulled out before the competition began. What if these robots didn't pull out and competed? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 13:02, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've always been curious about what Blade's Big Bruva looked like and why it and Trident had to pull out. It's hard to guess how well they would do since we don't know how different they were for this series, so I'm going off how they were in Series 3 for this scenario. First of all, I'd imagine that they would be seeded between Gravedigger and Big Brother. I'll give BBB 14 and Trident 15 (Blade looked a little bit more impressive in its heat to me). Blade fights Hammer and Tong and Clawed Hopper in round 1 of Heat J. Blade and H&T go through on a Judge's Decision after constantly ramming the walker. Blade fights Bulldog Breed 2 and even if it could self-right/run inverted for this series, I'd still back Bulldog Breed to keep flipping it to win via the Judges.


 * Trident fights Wheelosaurus and Prizephita Mach 2 in Heat H. I envision Wheelosaurus getting bashed into the pit/eliminated on a Judges Decision. Trident fights Killertron in round 2 and gives us one of the weakest axe vs axe fights in the series' history. It's fibreglass pricking axe vs plastic bin lid and axe past its prime vs weak shiny metal. The two robots would do minimal damage to each other, and I think Killertron's superior pushing power and scoop would be the winning factor, allowing it to pit Trident.


 * Now things get interesting. Centurion and Suicidal Tendencies were only seeded because Blade's Big Bruva and Trident pulled out, so the rest of the seeds get shunted down by 2. Also, the seeding order was wrong in Heats H and I; WBC was 15, so Centurion (31) should have been grouped with it instead of Centurion (31) to make a gap of 16 like the others e.g. Chaos 2 (1) and King B3 (17). Suicidal Tendencies was introduced as the 31st seed in the Northern Annihilator- a bit of behind the scenes mishap?


 * Anyway, in this scenario, we can assume that the seeds after Trident would be:

16. Big Brother 17. Wheely Big Cheese 18. Killerhurtz 19. King B3 20. Cerberus 21. Pussycat 22. Aggrobot 2 23. Diotoir 24. X-Terminator 2 25. Mortis 26. Berserk 2 27. Shadow of Napalm 28. Plunderbird 4 29. Sir Chromalot 30. Weld-Dor 2 31. Dreadnaught XP-1 32. Stinger


 * Bigger Brother in Heat I: Destruct-A-Bubble may be able to roll back onto its wheels, but it has nothing that it can really retaliate with. Bigger Brother and Eric through via the Judges. Bigger Brother fights Splinter and I see this being the exact opposite of the Series 5 encounter- Bigger Brother is a lot weaker, Splinter faster and I think its gas supply will be ruptured from repeated slams. Now, if we go by the proper order, Stinger would also be in Heat I. Stinger bludgeons Small Torque and Eric before coming up against Splinter. Splinter's front scoop actually held off Hypno-Disc for a while, so I can see it bulldozing Stinger around and winning the Judges' vote on aggression.


 * Wheely Big Cheese comes up against Medusa 2000 and Attila the Drum in Heat A. Attila stays out the way while WBC breaks Medusa with powerful flips. Chaos 2 and WBC throw Attila and Atomic Oota, respectively, before facing each other in a Grudge match. Sorry Roger, but you're still not gonna beat George this time. Remember that All-Stars battle? Imagine that, except WBC is less powerful and reliable this time. Chaos 2 through.


 * Killerhurtz axes Predator into submission in Heat P, before finishing off the limping Raizer Blade. Killerhurtz goes through to fight Hypno-Disc in the Heat Final, ouch. Imagine Dominator 2 in the Annihilator, except 10 times worse. Killy did survive Mauler in Battlebots, but there aren't any killsaws here to save it. Hypno-Disc rips Killerhurtz apart.


 * King B3 slams Reptirron into submission in Heat B, before doing the same to Robochicken. Heat Final time and while King B is a good robot, there's absolutely nothing it can do against Razer except hope that it breaks down (and King B was never the most reliable either). High ground clearance + 4 completely exposed wheels + polycarb armour = tasty snack for Razer before the Semi-Finals.


 * Cerberus in Heat O. Saw Point still immobilises Oblivion 2, before Cerberus comes up against Panic Attack. Head or no Head, the Cyprian Dog of the Underworld stands no chance against the Welsh Champion and gets swiftly pitted.


 * Bolt From the Blue and Ming 2 fight a far superior opponent to a weaponless Diotoir in Heat C this time; Pussycat. BFTB looked a more sturdy and lest suspect to spinning blades than Ming 2 for me, so I think Pussycat will cut into Ming 2's polycarb, before slicing the Morgue and beating it via the Judges. The Heat Final is an interesting one. Firestorm beat Pussycat in Series 4, but it's armour is quite a bit thinner here. I think that Pussycat will take this via the Judges.


 * Aggrobot 2 in Heat N, vs Judge Shred 2 and Millenium Bug. Decent rammer and axe/flipper vs slow walker, no prizes for guessing who wins here. Aggrobot 2 then fights Arnold A and pits it. In the Heat Final, Behemoth just keeps getting under Aggrobot's with scoop and Man-handling (or Bot-handling?) it. The Judges put Behemoth through to the Semis.


 * Heat D- Diotoir vs Mazakari and Iron Awe. As weak as Mazakari's disc is, I think it will still show enough damage and aggression by ripping away Diotoir's fur. Iron Awe axes away and eventually hits something vital due to the almost overweight Diotoir's lack of covers.


 * X-Terminator fights Invertabrat and The Creature in Heat F, and gives us a much more exciting fight this time thanks to its speed. If Invertabrat doesn't get stuck on its flipper, I think that its superior Tag Team partner will pit it. X-Terminator and Tornado would then have a great shoving match, which I think X-Terminator would get the upper hand in thanks to its front scoop, allowing it to control Tornado and get the Judges' vote. The Heat Final still doesn't go well for Gemini. Even though X-Terminator isn't invertible, its self-righting was at its best this year- look at how swiftly it self righted against Behemoth and in the Tag Team Terror, so it would recover from a flip quickly. I doubt that a Gemini twin would throw X-Terminator out on its own, so X-Terminator rams one into an arena spike just like Tornado did.


 * Mortis in Heat E vs Major Tom and Disc-O-Inferno. Disco either gets switched off again or Mortis knocks something loose. Mortis fights Dominator 2 and what an encounter that would be, the 2 best axes before Terrorhurtz. Both robots probably wouldn't cause that much damage to each other due to their tough armour, but Mortis would probably gain the upper hand by using its lifter and shoving Dominator 2 around. Mortis pits Dominator 2, before hacking away at 101 in the Heat Final, advancing to the semis on damage and aggression.


 * Berserk 2 in Heat L. I think it would play a similar role to Plunderbird 4: Sit back as Vercingetorix flips Fat Boy Tin, before being tipped over by Knightmare. If Berserk 2 can self-right, Knightmare pits it.


 * Heat M- Shadow of Napalm has a pretty slow paced battle with Scorpion and Reactor, with Reactor eventually turning Scorpion over like in real life. Shadow of Napalm fights Wild Thing a year early and gets immobilised with another hard slam.


 * Plunderbird 4 fights Sump Thing and Little Fly in Heat K, and pits Sump Thing. Plunderbird 4 uses its good pushing power again to put Mousetrap, before doing the same to Little Fly. The Plunderboys make the semis again!


 * Heat G- Sir Chromalot's wheel hub was pretty tough, so it could probably withstand Warhog until the Hog breaks down. Sir Chromalot's curse of losing in round 2 to the Heat winner applies this time however and Thermidor 2 flips it around until the Srimech tower breaks.


 * Weld-Dor fights in Heat J. I think that it and Bulldog Breed 2 would flip Spikasaurus until it gets stuck against the wall and wouldn't have enough momentum to roll back onto its wheels. Weld-Dor 2 then flips Hammer & Tong, but then Bulldog Breed beaches the Northern Irish machine on its side.


 * Finally, Dreadnaut XP-1 gets put in heat H and fights Maverick and Killertron. Dreadnaught might finally lift something here and put Maverick on its side, or Killertron immobilises the green machine. In the Heat Final, Prizephita defeats Dreadnaut with a flip.


 * Now, the Semi-Finals look like this IMO:


 * Semi 1:
 * Chaos 2 vs Steg 2= same
 * Prizephita Mach 2 vs X-Terminator= X-Terminator slams Prizephita into the Pit.
 * Thermidor 2 vs Razer= Razer crushes the Lobster and eats it in stew.
 * Pussycat vs Mortis= I agree with the consensus from Redone Series 4. Mortis will resist the blade, put holes in Pussycat and shove it around to win a Judges' decision.


 * Chaos 2 vs X-Terminator= We saw this in the All-Stars in Extreme. If X-Terminator couldn't beat Chaos 2 with a great weight advantage and stronger axe, what chance does it have here?
 * Razer vs Mortis= Another thing I agree with the Arena forum on. Mortis has rock hard armour and will hack away at Razer to immobilise it.


 * Semi 2:
 * Bulldog Breed 2 vs Plunderbird 4= The Dog flips Plunderbird
 * Spawn of Scutter vs Panic Attack= same
 * Hypno-Disc vs Splinter= the same absolute carnage.
 * Wild Thing vs Behemoth= Wild Thing is faster, but Behemoth's very low scoop will allow it to bulldoze the Adams family and constantly turn it over to get the Judges' nod.


 * Bulldog Breed 2 vs Panic Attack= Panic Attack either immobilises the Bulldog with a flip or pits it.
 * Behemoth vs Hypno-Disc= I think this would play out like the All-Stars battle.


 * Grand Final:
 * Chaos 2 vs Panic Attack= A fight I'm sure everyone wanted to see. I'm going for the upset and will say that Panic Attack wethers some flips before carrying Chaos 2 around and pitting it.
 * Behemoth vs Mortis= Deja vu, anyone?


 * Playoff- Chaos 2 vs Mortis: Chaos 2 recovers some glory by flipping Mortis Oota.


 * Grand Final- Panic Attack vs Behemoth. This fight happened very recently in real life, with Behemoth winning. Even without years and years of upgrades, I think that this version of Behemoth could still bulldoze Series 4 Panic Attack around and flip it, either getting it Oota or stranding it on a wall. Behemoth is the Champion! MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 17:13, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Here's how I think the resulting fifth wars seedings would look.
 * 1) Behemoth
 * 2) Panic Attack
 * 3) Chaos 2
 * 4) Razer
 * 5) Hypno-Disc
 * 6) X-Terminator
 * 7) Bulldog Breed
 * 8) 3 Stegs to Heaven
 * 9) Wild Thing
 * 10) Pussycat
 * 11) Spawn Again
 * 12) Plunderbird
 * 13) Thermidor 2
 * 14) Splinter
 * 15) Prizephita Mk2
 * 16) Firestorm 3
 * 17) Wheely Big Cheese
 * 18) Gemini
 * 101
 * 1) King B Powerworks
 * 2) Aggrobot 3 (Failed to qualify in real life, but will here due to being seeded)
 * 3) Stinger
 * 4) Cerberus (Also failed to qualify, but would be seeded in this case and therefore wouldn't have to.)
 * 5) One of the other returning Heat Finalists

Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:05, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Series 4, Heat K
And while on the subject of the Fourth Wars, what would've happened if Evil Weevil had stayed mobile? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:41, May 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Mousetrap gets eliminated. Weevil would probably face the easiest opponent in Round 2, which I believe to be Sumpthing.  It wins when Sumpthing breaks down.  However I think it's not well controlled enough to beat Little Fly in the heat final.  Little Fly's blade get smashed by Stinger in the semifinals and it loses there. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 22:43, May 17, 2014 (UTC)

Hypno-Disc beat Bigger Brother
What if Hypno-Disc had beaten Bigger Brother but lost to Razer? One thing I can think of is the heats would have swapped so Hypno-Disc would have fought in the last heat and Bigger Brother in the penultimate heat.

If Razer beat Hypno-Disc

 * Heat K: I can see Bigger Brother beating 4x4 and Granny's Revenge 2 easily. Bulldog Breed might cause a problem but I think Bigger Brother could beat it so it fights Barber-Ous 2 again. Bigger Brother would probably reverse at the drum and slam it into and onto the wall where it would be trapped and Bigger Brother can simply flick it out.
 * Heat L: Hypno-Disc would be able to destroy Riptilion and Major Tom before damaging Killer Carrot 2. Round 2 would see Hypno-Disc fight Behemoth, a fight which Behemoth won before and win again. Behemoth would probably deal with Disc-O-Inferno the same way as Hypno-Disc, meaning Behemoth makes the semi-final for a second time.
 * Semi-final 2: Bigger Brother would have fought Tornado, a fight which Bigger Brother won in Extreme 2, so Tornado is relegated to the losers melee. Dominator 2 also has a different foe, Behemoth, which it would defeat by axing it until it hits something important. Losers melee is now Tornado, Behemoth and Spawn Again. Tornado would win. Round 2 would see Bigger Brother fighting Dominator 2, which Dominator 2 would win and Terrorhurtz fighting Tornado, a fight won by Tornado.
 * Grand final: In the eliminators, Razer would fight Tornado, where it Razer would win, and Firestorm 4 would fight Dominator 2, a fight I reckon Dominator 2 could win by causing more damage again. Play-off is now Tornado verse Firestorm 4, which Firestorm 4 would probably lose by being pitted. The final is now Razer verse Dominator 2, a fight many have wanted, where Razer is unable to bring its claw into use and Dominator 2 pepper pots Razer's armour leading to Razer losing the title of champion.

If Hypno-Disc beat Razer, this is the outcome of series 6

 * Heat A: Hypno-Disc dominates the first round, destroying W.A.S.P. and Brutus Maximus. Cyrax is torn up and Raging Reality shredded in the heat final.
 * Heat K: I can see Bigger Brother beating 4x4 and Granny's Revenge 2 easily. Bulldog Breed might cause a problem but I think Bigger Brother could beat it so it fights Barber-Ous 2 again. Bigger Brother would probably reverse at the drum and slam it into and onto the wall where it would be trapped and Bigger Brother can simply flick it out.
 * Heat L: Razer would be able to immobilise Riptilion and Major Tom before damaging Killer Carrot 2. Round 2 would see Razer fight Behemoth, a fight which Behemoth lost before and will lose again. Disc-O-Inferno would destroy Razer however in the heat final.
 * Semi-final 1: Hypno-Disc would destroy Wild Thing before being sent out by Dantomkia in round 2.
 * Semi-final 2: Bigger Brother would have fought Tornado, a fight which Bigger Brother won in Extreme 2, so Tornado is relegated to the losers melee. Dominator 2 also has a different foe, Disc-O-Inferno, which it would defeat by axing it until it hits something important. Losers melee is now Tornado, Disc-O-Inferno and Spawn Again which Tornado would win. Round 2 would see Bigger Brother fighting Dominator 2, which Dominator 2 would win and Terrorhurtz fighting Tornado, a fight won by Tornado.
 * Grand final: In the eliminators, Dantomkia would fight Tornado, where Dantomkia would win, and Firestorm 4 would fight Dominator 2, a fight I reckon Dominator 2 could win by causing more damage again. Play-off is now Tornado verse Firestorm 4, which Firestorm 4 would probably lose by being pitted. The final is now Dantomkia verse Dominator 2, a fight many have wanted, Dantomkia would be able to topple Dominator 2 before tossing it over the wall.

I'm not going to say how that would affect series 7 but it does seem that series 7 would be very different. Sam (BAZINGA) 19:03, May 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * In your Hypno-Disc beats Razer scenario (Which I think could happen if the Series 5 versions of both machines came to blows), this is what the seeds for Series 7 would look like IMO:

1. Dantomkia 2. Dominator 2 (No faults) 3. Tornado 4. Firestorm V 5. Hypno-Disc (Might still be absent due to the real-life work and family commitments). 6. Bigger Brother 7. Terrorhurtz 8. Spawn Again 9. Disc-O-Inferno 10. 13 Black 11. Panic Attack 12. Pussycat 13. Behemoth 14. X-Terminator 15. Bulldog Breed 16. Storm II


 * If Hypno-Disc is still absent, then everyone below except Storm 2 gets bumped up and S.M.I.D.S.Y. receives the 15th seeding. If Hypno is present, and the real life draw remains the same, then:


 * Heat A (Or E if the broadcast order is still swapped): Dantomkia sees Devestator as the biggest threat and throws it Oota while Ewe 2 pits Saw Point. Dantomkia then easily throws Leveller 2 and Tetanus Booster out.


 * Heat B: Tornado uses the scoop in round 1 because of Killerkat, learning from what Diotoir did to the drum in Series 5. Tornado slams the cat into submission, while Gyrobot hacks into the higher Jackson Wallop's wheels. Tornado then storms through the rest of the Heat by pitting Big Nipper and Grim Reaper.


 * Heat C: Hypno-Disc has some nice juicy, boxy targets in Round 1. Hypno goes for Hassocks Hog first, tearing off the side armour plates and killing the motors. King B pushes Rick around for a bit, but then has its wheels torn off by Hypno-Disc. In round 2, we see a huge upset. Scoprion manages to resist blows from Hypno-Disc with its tough armour, and manages to tear off Hypno-Disc's exposed wheels. IG-88 immobilises Rick, and then finishes what it started in Round 1 by smacking Scorpion into submission.


 * Heat D: Terrorhurtz goes for Herbinator and absolutely hammers the poor Beetle into submission, caving in the top armour effortless. Meanwhile, Lightning pits and flips The Alien. In round 2, Gravity's weak armour and occasional wheelying prove to be its downfall, as Terrohurtz cracks the polycarb body and ruptures its CO2 supply for the win. The Heat Final is a closely fought battle, with Lightning getting some good shoves and flips in, but Terrorhurtz holds firm and retaliates with some devastating axe blows. It goes to the Judges and both robots are practically tied in Style and Aggression. Lightning wins Control, but Terrorhurtz is put through to the semis on Damage.


 * Heat E: Disc-O-Inferno has an absolute ball in Round 1, turning Brutus Maximus into sawdust, before teaming up with Twister to shred Roobarb. In round 2, Tiberius III resists Twister's blade before puncturing it and pitting it, while M2 exploits Disc-O-Inferno's ground clearance to flip it Oota. M2 still beats Tiberius III.


 * Heat F: Panic Attack slides under Major Tom and drops it into the pit, while Tsunami throws Diabolous Oota. Killer Carrot then fails to get under Panic Attack before being dumped in the pit. In the Heat Final however, Panic Attack is totally outclassed. With no Srimech, no Kim and only 8mph speed, Panic Attack gets swept up by Tsunami and thrown Oota.


 * Heat G: Behemoth and Atomic bulldoze Terror Turtle and Cygnus Oota in a matter of seconds. Behemoth then axes and lifts the boxy Mean Streak over the wall. In the Heat Final, both Behemoth and Atomic get some mighty slams and flips in. Behemoth's floor touching scoop gives it the edge however, and it scoops Atomic Oota to finally reach another semi-final.


 * Heat H: Bulldog Breed: goes for Scraptosaur due to its pedigree, and flips it until it can't self-right anymore. Ceros disposes of Metallis in seconds. Bulldog Breed flips St. Agro a couple of times, gets bored and decides to pit it. In the Heat Final, Bulldog Breed stacks Cero against the wall before throwing it Oota.


 * Heat I: No change whatsoever.


 * Heat J: X-Terminator targets the cannon fodder entry Mobot first, and sends it home in a bucket like the team hoped. Beast then suffers a similar fate while Mighty Mouse runs away. X-Terminator then slays The Kraken, before clearing all Mice from the arena in the Heat Final.


 * Heat K: Pussycat and Infernal Contraption have a duel, with Pussycat getting more effective and controlled attacks in, slicing IC's armour. Mantis pits Jabber, and the Judges put Pussycat and Mantis through. Pussycat fails to penetrate Hard's armour, but slices the wheels a bit. Pussycat eventually tears Hard's link out. In the Heat Final against Kat 3, Déjà vu?


 * Heat L: 13 Black tears Tartarus apart, while UFO shoves Crushtacean around and into the pit. 13 Black then employs its sit and spin tactic against Mute, preventing the New Blood runner-up from getting underneath it. 13 Black then immobilises Mute with a solid slam to the side. In the Heat Final though, Judge Shred 3 is too low and curved for 13 Black to get a good attack in, so the Judge flips the seed around until its Srimech fails.


 * Heat M: Spawn Again immediately throws Spin Doctor Oota, turning it into an airborne Beyblade that nearly rips through the cage. Mega Morg stays out of the way while Spawn Again does the same to Edge-Hog. Tough As Nails proves to be no match for Spawn Again's speed and power, and gets turned into a Flying Dutchman for about 2 seconds before landing outside the arena. In the Heat Final, Robochicken gets thrown straight out. Spawn Again defies the 8th Seed curse!


 * Heat N: Bigger Brother flips the bulky NEATer Machine Oota, while Revenge of Trouble 'N' Strife immobilises Chip with its drum. Bigger Brother then chucks R.O.C.S. out of the arena, before clamping and pitting Raging Knightmare in the Heat Final.


 * Heat O: Firestorm V goes one better than last time and flips Colossus Oota, and then teams up with Typhoon 2 to slam U.R.O. into submission. In round 2, Firestorm flips Iron Awe against the wall and right out. Firestorm then immediately chases Typhoon 2 in the Heat Final, managing to slow its spinner down before flipping the Air Cadets over. Firestorm guides Typhoon 2 into the pit to reach the semis.


 * Heat P: Dominator axes Bamm Bamm into submission while Daisy-Cutter shreds Black & Blue. Dominator 2 then pepper pots Reptirron, but can't finish off the bulky Ripper and gets bulldozed into the pit.


 * Semi-Final 1:
 * Bigger Brother vs Dantomkia- Bigger Brother uses its classic flip & clamp combo to pit the champions.
 * IG-88 vs Terrorhurtz- a fight we saw in Resetti's Wars but I'm going for an upset and the opposite result this time. IG-88's armour wasn't very durable, but Team Hurtz has never liked spinners, and the axe does has a tendency to send Terrorhurtz toppling off balance. IG-88 will exploit this with good slams to Terrorhurtz's front, sides and underbelly, eventually immobilising it.
 * Tsunami vs Bulldog Breed- the Bulldog might have the edge in durability, but Tsunami is faster and more powerful. Tsunami to Oota the Bulldog.
 * Pussycat vs Spawn Again- another grudge match, and finally a good clean fight- no illegal blade or Diotoir & Commengetorix to worry about. Team Cold Fusion may be 2 up, but I think Spawn Again has the advantage this time. It's a lot more reliable now and its armour is too solid for the blade to do anything. Spawn Again will flip Pussycat through the air and Oota.


 * Bigger Brother vs IG-88- Bigger Brother throws IG-88 out almost as quickly as Dantomkia did.
 * Tsunami vs Spawn Again- a close match, both are well matched in speed and power. Spawn Again looks a little lower and more suited to chucking Tsunami around, so Spawn Again throws the Tsunami high and out to claim its first Grand Final.


 * Semi-Final 2:
 * Judge Shred 3 vs Ripper- Ripper flips and pits Judge Shred with a resounding "I AM THE LAW!!!!".
 * X-Terminator vs Firestorm v- Firestorm gets under X-Terminator from the side and throws it right over, before dumping it in the pit.
 * Tornado vs Storm II- same result, the Judges put Storm 2 through.
 * M2 vs Behemoth- M2 rolls over from a couple of flips by Behemoth, before gathering its bearings to get under the bulldozers side and flip it. M2 shoves Behemoth towards the wall and throws it out.


 * Ripper vs Storm II- Ripper's spaced armour will act as a great crumple zone allowing to survive being slammed, but Storm 2 is to quick for it and will pit it.
 * Firestorm vs M2- M2's ground clearance will be its undoing. By the end of Robot Wars, Firestorm could counter just about any flipper with its speed, control and low front, and it took Razer or a mosntrously powerful rammer to really put it down.


 * Grand Final:
 * Bigger Brother vs Storm II- I agree with ToastUltimatum's theory that Bigger Brother could pull it off against the mighty Storm II. It's masterfully controlled and has a very low flipper blade, so I think that it can catch Storm II out and flip it over at some point. With the wedge rendered useless, Bigger Brother catches Storm II on its wedge, clamps down and pits it.
 * Spawn Again vs Firestorm V- Firestorm flips Spawn Again towards the wall and gets it out.


 * Play-off: Storm 2 vs Spawn Again- Spawn Again has the monstrous speed and power required to scoop up Storm 2 and throw it Oota.
 * Grand Final: Bigger Brother vs Firestorm V- Firestorm does a repeat of the Extreme 2 All-Stars to finally become champion! MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 09:04, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Firestorm V finally wins, nice. Nice work, glad to see someone hink that Firestorm deserves a championship. Sam (BAZINGA) 10:59, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Series 7 Semis Reversed
Simple idea, and it's not really a small thing to change, but bear with me. What if the Top 8 of Series 7 in fact lost in the first round of the semi-finals? How would the series progress then? Here's my thoughts:


 * Raging Knightmare vs Dantomkia - I don't think an OotA is on the cards, but Knightmare is still no real competition for Dantomkia (or many of the semi-finalists)
 * St Agro vs Tough As Nails - St Agro might prove awkward at first by being a pure wedge shape, but TAN will eventually grab hold, and then it will be a straight path to the Grand Final.


 * Mute vs The Grimreaper - Close call. The Grimreaper will have more of an advantage by getting a flip, as Mute struggles with self-righting. However, Mute's flips will be stronger. Mute looks lower to the ground, so I think I'll support it. The Grimreaper is quite a lot like Judge Shred 3, after all.
 * Thermidor II vs M2 - The biggie. This sure was a close-fought thing back in the Audited Series 5 days, eh? Thermidor is definitely capable of exploiting M2's high ground clearance at the sides, but I can also see M2 slotting between the flipper and claws, and pulling a Prizephita-eque victory, or a Judges' decision.


 * Dantomkia vs Mute - Dantomkia is a robot I can trust more than The Grimreaper to exploit Mute's self-righting issues.
 * Tough As Nails vs M2 - M2 will be hard to catch, given its top speed, and its general tactic of running away. But Tough As Nails can grip M2 easily once it comes by, thanks to its big, soft sides. Much as I would like to see M2 in the Grand Final...


 * Mute vs M2 - ...I'm quite happy to see my two favourite robots fighting. Mute could possibly take it just by being lower at the front when M2 kicks back, but Mute was already quite lucky to get past The Grimreaper (and Firestorm!!!), so a few flips should do it in again.


 * Dantomkia vs Tough As Nails - Dantomkia should finally prove too much for TAN, and can consistently slip underneath it and keep flipping. Were any of the Round 1 losers really capable of beating Dantomkia? Toast  Ultimatum  01:46, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

If Thermidor 2 did beat M2 and faced Tough As Nails, I reckon Thermidor would send the Dutch machine flying. In the third place playoff, Tough As Nails would crush Mute. I think if Dantomkia can beat TAN, it will beat Thermidor. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 14:36, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Stinger wins, Mace loses
What if Stinger had beaten Mace and went on to fight Wheeliwako? I think had it not driven into the pit, that could well have happened. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:05, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Stinger can beat Weeliwako, but Suicidal Tendencies is the end of the line. Big Brother then beats ST but loses to Chaos 2. They'll get their revenge later. Toast  Ultimatum  22:28, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Trazmaniac beats Philipper II
I don't know how many of you are familiar with Dutch Robot Wars: Series 2, but the eventual runner-up Philipper nearly lost a Judges' decision to Trazmaniac in the second round. If Trazmaniac got the decision, how would the wars pan out?

I think Trazmaniac is capable of winning the heat by beating Twisted Metal Evo, but Krab-Bot will stop it in the next round. This puts Crushtacean into the Top 4, where it can also beat Bamm Bamm. They meet PulverizeR in the Grand Final... and win! A new champion is born! Toast Ultimatum  22:39, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Loanerbots unnecessary
A little bit of an interesting situation, but one I've been thinking about a fair amount. As we know, many of the side competitions of the US series featured loanerbots as the teams couldn't always enter with their real robots for one reason or another. But what would have happened if they had been able to enter with their actual robots? Would anything have changed? To note, loanerbots will still be used IF we never actually saw the team's real robot in action (so since we never saw The Wife, Tiger Cat stays).

Extreme Warriors 1
 * For the Robot Rebellion, Brute (Silver Box) easily pushes Close Enough around until it breaks. Tricerabot and Rosie the Riveter easily overpower Shuriken (The Green Mouse) and Mad Cow (Rott Box) in much the same way they did with the loanerbots. Which leaves us with Cyclone (Tut Tut) vs Bot-Ugly (The Green House), and whilst I can't say much for Cyclone's power or reliability in this series, you'd think it'd be enough to do some damage to the exposed Bot-Ugly. In the Rebellion itself, Brute and Cyclone don't quite get their way, but Tricerabot still dominates, so...yeah, almost same result.
 * In the Tag Team Terror, Cyclone is now paired with Drillzilla, but nothing changes as Drillzilla dominates everyone. Since I don't know what the original Joker looked like, and I can't simply assume it was the same as the actual version, Humdrum remains.
 * For the Cival War, Bot-Ugly actually wins a battle after driving the largely useless Spartacus (Spike) around the arena. Nevertheless, it is completely overpowered by Manta in Round 2.

Nickelodeon Robot Wars
 * In the Tag Team Terror, The Gap (Zanzara) puts up a better fight against Spin Doctor, but you can't forget that it was still immobilised very quickly by The Revolutionist in the second US series, so that team will still lose. It'll probably also put up a better fight against Bigger Brother, but it's still a loss.
 * In the Mayhem, Hannibal (Vert-I-Go), whilst unable to flip anyone over, is still able to win after pushing Techno Trousers and Joker around, resisting its flail. The only real change is that it can't do that fancy little trick of tearing Joker's link out. Basenji (Rigby) is destroyed by Revolutionist. In the final, Hannibal tries to resist Propeller-Head, but eventually succumbs to the blows.
 * For the Challenge Belt, Tricerabot (Tut Tut, just for the sake of argument) completely overpowers all three opponents, including its own "sister".
 * For the Robot Rebellion, Basenji (Squirmin Vermin) and Diskotek (Humdrum) are completely outclassed.

Dutch Robot Wars Series 2
 * The original Hard faces off against Neater...and wins. Its small size allows it to avoid the axe, and push Neater around, and IF it were to overturn Neater, I'm not convinced it can right itself. Even if it doesn't (more likely), the constant pushing and lifting earns it the jury's nod. Against Blackdevil Warzone, its luck runs out, and it is buffeted by Blackdevil's drum. Now Blackdevil faces Lizzard, and puts up a good fight...one I wouldn't like to call myself. I think Lizzard MIGHT swing it on aggression, but I'll wait to hear what anyone else thinks.

Phew...CrashBash (talk) 12:44, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I think Hard can beat Blackdevil Warzone. BdWz's drum wasn't amazing, and it will struggle to gain a purchase. High ground clearance will cost it, although I think Lizzard would beat Hard. It can probably beat Blackdevil Warzone as well, as long as the Jury don't mind a missing eyeball or two. Toast  Ultimatum  19:47, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Mousetrap given the win over S3
If Mousetrap had been awarded the win over S3, what would have happened in the later Fifth Wars? Dave Barker said himself it was a close battle. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:12, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * If Stinger would've beat Mousetrap again, Bigger Brother be able to pit Stinger I reckon so Stinger would fight Wild Thing and Spawn Again. If Spawn Again dies again, Wild Thing would be able pester Stinger and damage the tires of the axle bot. Wild Thing wins and has to fight Razer, where Razer would be victorious. If Mousetrap beats Stinger, Bigger Brother would just toss it over before it losses the melee to Wild Thing, which fight Razer and loses. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:45, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

The resulting 6th Wars
How do you think that would have affected the seedings for the 6th Wars? Assuming it was Stinger who won, I'm assuming Wild Thing would be seeded sixth, Dominator 2 would be seeded seventh, Panic Attack eighth, Stinger ninth, Spawn Again 10th, Tornado 11th. The twelfth and final seeding would go to S.M.I.D.S.Y..

Heat D:
 * Dominator 2 (7) vs Roobarb vs Shredder vs Armadrillo: The two time semi finalist and Annihilator runner up makes holes on Roobarb with its axe. Armadrillo breaks down, and the two favourites go through.
 * Dominator 2 vs Sir Chromalot: Dominator 2 pepper-pots the Essex machine's armour, and they are counted out.
 * Dominator 2 vs Shredder: Shredder can't stand up to that axe. Dominator 2 into the semi finals for the third consecutive time.

Heat E:
 * Stinger (9) vs Stag vs Vader vs UFO: Stinger swings away at UFO. The Stag gets its wheel destroyed by Vader. Stinger's devastating weapon does enough to put UFO out.
 * Stinger vs 259: Here, we see a huge shock. 259's big, destructive disc damages the former bronze medalist's wheel, sending them out like S3 in real life.
 * 259 vs Vader: Like RelicRaider said, I think 259 will destroy Vader.

Heat F: Heat G: SMIDSY (12) vs Edgehog vs Terror-Bull vs Inshredable: SMIDSY pushes around T-B and maybe rolls it over. Edgehog still gets stuck, and is counted out and goes home. Heat H: No change.
 * Tornado (11) vs Chompalot vs Thermidor 2 vs 13 Black: Thermidor 2 flips Tornado. However, Tornado rams Chompalot smack into the wall. Chompalot is then smashed up by 13 Black, and Thermidor 2 suffers the same mechanical s*** and is counted out.
 * Tornado vs Fluffy: Tornado rams Fluffy into the wall with enough power to break it down.
 * Tornado vs 13 Black: Tornado will use its scoop like it did against Hypno-Disc. I can see 13 Black being pitted and possibly not seeded in series 7 because of this. The series 5, round 2 dropouts are into the semis.
 * SMIDSY vs Thor: SMIDSY repeats Tornado's actually-happened performance.
 * SMIDSY vs Anarchy: Anarchy will try to flip SMIDSY, but flips are just flips, and I think SMIDSY's scoop will be able to get under Anarchy and tip it over. The Cyberspace boys finally make the semis.

Heat I: No change.

Heat J:
 * Wild Thing (6) vs Hydra vs AxeCDent vs Sumpthing: Wild Thing is invertible, so flips won't be much of a worry. ACD is still eliminated. Will Thing is flipped by Hydra, but it's Sumpthing who is eliminated, I think WT will immobilise it with the disc.
 * S3 vs Comengetorix vs Warhog vs St Agro: Watch out, S3's about. The robot beaten in the fifth wars damages Warhog badly with that disc, before the East Yorkshire robot breaks down as always. S3 then rips off one of St Agro's wheels and the two losers are pitted.
 * Wild Thing vs S3: Two very good robots, but I think I know who's going to win. I think Wild Thing is a bit low for S3 to really do anything, and its disc will buckle S3's wheel. S3 out before the heat final again, a very different story from what happened in real life. WT get their revenge from in real life.
 * Wild Thing vs Hydra: I think Hydra could flip WT a few times, but not enough to beat the Adams family.

Semi 1:
 * 259 vs Razer: 259's disc won't be enough I reckon.
 * Tornado vs Firestorm 4: The scoop on Tornado will put the Durham machine in the losers melee for the second year running.
 * Dominator 2 vs Dantomkia: Dominator 2 is flipped out of the arena.
 * 259 vs Firestorm 4 vs Dantomkia: Firestorm 4 will turn over 259 to be counted out, and Dominator 2 will be beaten, judges' decision or otherwise.
 * Razer vs Tornado: a repeat of the real life Grand Final, two episodes early. Tornado goes through.
 * Dantomkia vs Firestorm 4: Firestorm 4 slips Dantomkia over the wall.

Semi 2:
 * Hypno-Disc vs S.M.I.D.S.Y.: A huge shock unfolds as SMIDSY's shovel easily gets underneath the spinner king, and pushes it into the pit.
 * Bigger Brother vs Wild Thing: Bigger Brother throws WT out of the arena.
 * Spawn Again vs Terrorhurtz: same.
 * Spawn Again vs Hypno-Disc vs Wild Thing: I think with H-D and Spawn Again past it, the former in much poorer shape, and the latter making it through Heat H by the skin of its teeth, Wild Thing is through to the last eight for the fourth year running.
 * Bigger Brother vs SMIDSY: The Kent team pull off the shock by pushing BB around, lifting it and pitting it.
 * Terrorhurtz vs Wild Thing: I think Wild Thing could finally make the final by slicing through that polycarb!

Grand Final:
 * Wild Thing vs Tornado: The sixth seed is out of luck as it is pitted by the Sawtry boys.
 * Firestorm 4 vs S.M.I.D.S.Y.: Firestorm 4 easily wins this one. No matter how hard SMIDSY pushes it, Firestorm betters it, gets it against the wall and dumps it out the arena.
 * Wild Thing vs SMIDSY, third place play off: Disc vs lifter, what's it going to be? I reckon Wild Thing will struggle to get away from the 12th seed's lifter and the Kent machine will takes the bronze medal.
 * Firestorm 4 vs Tornado, decider: Tornado, with its scoop, pulls off a tight win against Firestorm 4! TORNADO IS THE SERIES 6 CHAMPION!!

(Of course, if it was Mousetrap who won the heat, Spawn Again would be seeded ninth and Mutant Mousetrap tenth, followed by Stinger & Tornado. Pity we never saw MM in action.) Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:50, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Dominator in series 7
What if Dominator 2 didn't have to pull out and kept its seeding? Here's my prediction:

Heat A: same, except Thunderpants is replaced by Ming, who still loses.

Heat B: same as real life.

Heat C: Dominator takes Dantomkia's spot, and dents Hassock's Hog and Rick, before facing Scorpion. Even if it is a low robot, I'm still gonna say Dominator dents it to win on damage. In the heat final Dominator faces IG88 and can stop the wheel weapon with its axe before pummeling the armour.

Heat O: same as in real life. Heat P: same as real life. Other Heats: see "Razer in series 7" section.

SF1: Tornado vs Dantomkia: Dantomkia is pitted.

Spawn Again vs Dominator: No matter how Spawn tries, it's flipper won't be any match for the axe which will dent its armour.

Tsunami vs Thermidor: Tsunami wins easily.

X-Terminator vs Tough As Nails: XT edges it.

In round2:

Tornado vs Dominator: Tornado wins on aggression.

Tsunami vs XTerminator: Tsunami wins this time.

SF2:

Firestorm vs Mute: self same result.

Typhoon 2 vs SMIDSY: Typhoon destroys SMIDSY.

Storm 2 vs Grim Reaper: flip all change.

Atomic vs M2: flip-all change.

In round2:

Firestorm vs Storm 2: same.

Atomic vs Typhoon 2: same.

GRAND FINAL:

Typhoon 2 vs Tsunami: Tsunami overturns Typhoon 2 and it is counted out.

Storm 2 vs Tornado: no change.

Play Off:

Tornado vs Typhoon 2: Tornado rams Typhoon into submission.

Final:

Tsunami vs Storm 2:

Too close for me to call, I'll leave it to somebody else.

Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:05, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hate to break it to you, but Dominator 2 would have been seeded 4th seeing as Razer didn't return, so it would have been in heat O... Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:01, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Above Bigger Brother? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:02, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid so, the Dominator 2 page states that it 'was to be given the 4th seed placing (originally 5th when Razer was presumed to be returning)'. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:05, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Both robots reached round two of the semi final. I would've had BB above Dominator because it came second in series 5 and Dominator never made the grand final. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:08, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but Dominator 2 did beat Bigger Brother in series 6 and Bigger Brother had to come through the losers melee. I'm just repeating what it says on the Dominator page though. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:10, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

This was done using my prediction of what the seeds would have looked like. If it did enter Heat O, I reckon it would've hacked the two eliminees apart and sailed into round 2 to do the same to Iron Awe, before facing Typhoon 2 in a battle I couldn't really call myself... Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:17, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Dominator's one big weakness was the wheels (so I guess that's two big weaknesses), even with the guards they kept getting banged and jammed up. It happened against Hypno-Disc and then against 13 Black in the All Stars (when Dominator had the harder armour), I think Typhoon 2 can do the same. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:20, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Storm 2 unseeded
What if Storm 2 had not been given the number 16 seeding and which one of the veterans would have instead? How would that have changed the competition?

My prediction:

I assume Kat 3 will be seeded 16th and fight in Heat I, and Storm 2 will fight in Heat K.

Heat I:

Mayhem vs Rhino vs Kat 3 (seeded 16) vs Supernova: Storm 2 wouldn't've been in this fight, so it's unlikely Supernova would've been slammed into the wall and immobilised. Kat 3 is attempted to be lifted by Rhino, and even if it is tipped over, the axe will help it self right. Supernova slams into Mayhem and immobilises it like in reality. However since it was Storm 2 who immobilised Supernova, it doesn't have that to worry about. Rhino gets sent out alongside Mayhem, they were limping in real life.

Kat 3 (16) vs Trax: axe vs flipper. Dunno if the axe will be enough, but at least Storm 2 ain't around. I think Trax could flip Kat 3 over, but I think it'll be a repeat of the Mantis battle and Kat 3 will win on damage done by its axe.

The Steel Avenger vs Supernova: stronger disc than Shredder. But I think TSA can stand up to it. Its axe can stop the disc. It'll do what it did to Shredder Evolution and reach the heat final.

Kat 3 (16) vs The Steel Avenger:

TSA takes this one for me, based on its superior axe. Kat 3 may do some damage but I've a feeling TSA will do more.

Heat K: Velocirippa vs Hard vs T-Wrecks vs Storm 2: Storm 2 slams Velocirippa around the arena, and the Nottingham machine breaks down. T-Wrecks is pitted like real life. So Hard and Storm through.

Mantis vs Storm 2: Storm 2 is too low to be caught by that clutcher. I can see Storm 2 slam it around until it breaks, or into the pit.

Storm 2 vs Bulldog Breed (12): Not even a flipper will save the poor 12th seeds. Slammed into the wall, roughed up. Another seed fails to win its heat.

Semi Finals:

Storm 2 vs Tough as Nails: Storm pits the Dutch robot. We saw that in the real-life World Championships, didn't we?

TSA vs The Grim Reaper: TSA dents the Grim Reaper.

Storm 2 vs X-Terminator: Storm 2 rams the series 4 semi finalists into the wall. That flywheel won't do sh*t.

Firestorm 5 vs The Steel Avenger: the Durham team make it to their fourth grand final, and third consecutively, by getting under TSA and getting them over the wall like they did with Ripper.

Tornado vs Typhoon 2: I think Tornado will pit Typhoon 2.

Firestorm 5 vs Storm 2: I'm going to assume the front strip stays on, and Firestorm is able to flip Storm 2. Maybe out of the arena.

In the third place Play-Off, I reckon Storm 2 could actually win this time, by ramming Typhoon 2 into the wall several times and causing it to break down. And in the final... Top two seeds. I reckon Firestorm will win, it could just flip Tornado over and leave it to be counted out. Anyone agree/disagree? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:12, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Behemoth doesn't self right CV
What would've happened if CV had been left on its back by Behemoth? I think Tiberius 3 would have trouble against Behemoth which gave Razer a good fight. If Behemoth does beat Tiberius 3, I think that Behemoth would beat Infinity. What is everyone else's opinion? Sam (BAZINGA) 16:39, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Behemoth would have:
 * 1) Possibly overturned Tiberius, and Tiberius is slow to self right so it would've been counted out
 * 2) Easily toppled Infinity over the arena wall to win. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:59, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Disc-O-Inferno in series 4
This robot had potential, but broke down in its first round heat. What if that didn't happen?

I would've thought that it would have destroyed Shadow of Napalm in the first round before going into the second round where Dominator's axe could reach it but D.O.I smashes up its exposed wheels anyway. Then in the heat final it could possibly do the same thing to 101. Onto the semi finals, and Firestorm will easily flip it out of the arena, or flip until it breaks down, Firestorm now goes on to fight Pussycat, and wins, putting it into the final. Here, it faces Hypno-Disc, which it clips over to win the judge's decision, third place play-off pans out as normal. The big one, Chaos 2 vs Firestorm, I still think Chaos 2 would win. What do you, the other Wiki users, think?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:45, May 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't believe Dominator 2's axe couldn't reach Disc-O-Inferno, it might be low but that axe put holes in the equally-low Firestorm 2 with no problems whatsoever. Dominator 2 was well driven as well and should keep the wheels away from the disc whilst doing enough damage to Disc-O-Inferno to take the win. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:57, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Still, the disc could be a threat to the wheels. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 14:44, May 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Very true, and yours is a very valid argument, that was just my take on events. Combatwombat555 (talk) 15:28, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

12 seed gap in series 5
Here's something I found interesting. This is what I think would happen if the Fifth Wars followed the same seeding format as the series before:

Heat A: Spawn Again flips Obsidian up and over into an uncomfortable position. In the second round, it then does the same to 8345T but Chaos 2 is too strong for them in the Heat Final.

Heat B: Behemoth replaces Atomic, and in its first round it beats Kan-Opener. The seeding mistake is not made this time so H-D beats Bulldog Breed and Behemoth narrowly beats Lambsy, and in the Heat Final it is a repeat of the Extreme 1 All stars and Behemoth pulls off the upset.

Heat C: Splinter replaces Mousetrap. It holds off Shredder, before being torn apart by S3 in round 2.

Heat D: Mini Morg takes Gemini's place. Here, it bulldozes and overturns Dougal putting it through to face Reactor who, due to the low ground clearance can't really do much to Mini Morg. Firestorm get the better of them in the heat final however.

Heat E: Suicidal Tendencies fights Prizephita Mach 2, and due to the wedge on ST I can see them not get flipped very easily, and then crushing PP's armour. Then if they don't suffer those mechanical problems, they crush the Alien, but Wild Thing beats them in the heat final.

Heat F: 101 pits Immortalis. Corkscrew then does damage to it to win the judges decision, Heat Final proceeds as normal.

Heat G: SMIDSY replaces Spawn Again and pits Hydra before doing the same to Evolution. In the Heat Final, it will be a big pushing battle but I'm confident they won't make the Tornado mistake and will beat Diotoir on aggression.

Heat H: Atomic faces Supernova. If they are quick enough they can flip Supernova without the flipper being damaged. SN weren't as controlled in this series so that will be their downfall. Atomic does then to Crushtacean what Chaos 2 did the year after. Up against Wheely Big Cheese, and the high ground clearance will be Atomic's advantage, like someone else on here said, so the 10th seeds go out.

Heat I: Mousetrap takes Splinter's place. It beats Viper 01 due to its ineffective weaponry. In round 2 however, Bigger Brother owns it greatly.

Heat J: Gemini fights Kat 3. I can see it win by flipping the poor feline robot over. In round 2 they defeat Major Tom, but Panic Attack will be more than a match for the twins.

Heat K: Thermidor flips Rick over - and possibly out. It does similar to Destructabubble putting it through to face Razer, who crushes it up.

Heat L: X-Terminator could hold off Fluffy with its front shovel, but Fluffy could still rack up more damage points. Rest of heat carries on as normal.

Semi Final 1: Atomic vs Dominator 2: Tough one to call, but I think Atomic could get under Dominator and flip it over. Behemoth vs Firestorm 3: An easy win for Firestorm. Pussycat vs Panic Attack: same.

Dominator 2 vs Panic Attack vs Behemoth: Dominator 2 hacks the other two into submission.

Firestorm 3 vs Dominator: Firestorm gets its revenge. Atomic vs Pussycat: Atomic flips the cat out, or at least takes the judge's decision.

Semi Final 2: Bigger Brother vs S3: same. Chaos 2 vs Wild Thing: same. Razer vs SMIDSY: Razer crushes SMIDSY.

S3 vs SMIDSY vs Wild Thing: S3 destroys the other two.

Rest of semi final pans out as normal.

Final: Razer vs Firestorm: same. Bigger Brother vs Atomic: Atomic wins due to its wider front and superior speed.

Play Off: personally think Firestorm would win.

Grand Final Decider: Razer pierces, and pits, Atomic to take the prize.

Anyone agree/disagree with me? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:58, June 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * There's the odd decision I'd disagree with or have to think hard about, like Reactor 2 against Mini Morg (which doesn't affect the rest of the heat). It's mainly the Atomic fights really: Pussycat against Atomic is one of the few matches I genuinely have no idea which would win, but I think Dominator 2 against Atomic I think would end in Dominator 2's favour because of the potency of the axe and the generally fast self-righting (but then I think Atomic would win the losers' melee so nothing changes), and Bigger Brother vs Atomic (I stated my argument against the S7 Atomic in Ragnabot, and this Atomic is weaker). I can't argue with the rest of your logic though, and with your overall result. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:10, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Panic Attack pits 101
In the First World Championship, Panic Attack attempted this but drove into the pit itself! If 101 was the one who got pitted, how do you think the quarter finals would have gone? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:50, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Panic Attack could have easily beaten Weld-dor- lift, tip over, pit (probably)- but then would have fallen foul of Razer, it's a boxy shape, easy to crush, and if Panic Attack does tip Razer over (which I doubt, it's still very low at the front), Razer can self-right easily. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:54, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Cyrax eliminated instead of Ruf Ruf Dougal
What if Cyrax had lost the judges' decision and RRD had been put through to round 2 instead? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:35, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Dougal against Razer. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:37, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * And how does that go down?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:39, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ruf Ruf Dougal is largely armoured in loft insulation. Razer will not struggle to pierce that. Because Dougal's so big and the internals are hidden away a bit, I'm not sure Razer can get to them, but surely the decision will go Razer's way on damage if nothing else. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought I read someone on here saying Razer were lucky that the two were not drawn against each other. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:53, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I imagine they were probably joking. Ruf Ruf Dougal is underrated, sure; that spike could and did do some damage, and the anti-flipper flywheel was clever. But Razer's in a different league, I can't see Dougal would win, especially with this being probably Razer's most reliable form. Maybe the loft insulation might get into the workings and jam something? But I doubt it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:57, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * What if Dougal did beat Razer? We would have had at least one different finalist, a different semifinalist, a different heat winner and a different overall runner-up. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:35, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

The Alien in series 6 heat final instead of Shredder
How would the Alien have done had it won that judges' decision? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:34, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think The Alien has a decent chance against S3, actually. I think S3 would eventually win, but if we assume it doesn't, The Alien would win the heat and lose to Dantomkia. Firestorm would get rid of Dantomkia, while 13Black wins the Losers' Melee in the same way it beat The Alien in Series 7. Razer ends a plucky run because it is Razer. Toast  Ultimatum  22:32, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Warhog being more reliable
What if Warhog had better reliability? It broke down and lost in all three of its appearances. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 13:35, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Here are my thought: Those are my thoughts. Sam (BAZINGA) 14:48, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Series 4: Warhog might have still lost so the heat would remain the same. If Dreadnought lost in round 1, Thermidor 2 would probably beat it so the heat final remains the same. If Darke Destroyer 2 was eliminated in round 1, Kronic would survive Warhog and the heat final remains the same.
 * Series 5: Warhog would have beaten Napalm so it now fights Wild Thing which wins by slamming Warhog around the arena walls until it breaks down or it pitted. The rest of the heat remains the same.
 * Series 6: I think Warhog would have still lost as S.M.I.D.S.Y. got under Warhog fairly easily. No change to the heat.

Behemoth wins Heat N
What if the World Championship runner-up had had actually won that judges' decision? They flipped X-Terminator three times but X-Terminator was given the win anyway. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:16, June 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Behemoth might have been able to pull off the win if that cog hadn't slipped inside, a lot could change in this scenario. I think that its lower front would allow it to scoop Wild Thing up and shove it around to beat the Addams family on a Judges' decision. Against Hypno-Disc, Behemoth might not have been as thickly armoured in Series 4 as it was in Extreme, but then again Hypno's weapon was slower this time. I can see this fight playing out largely the same as the All-Stars encounter, with Behemoth deflecting Hypno-Disc either until the Spin 2 Win boys suffer a mechanical fault or get rammed into the pit.


 * Against Pussycat, it's a tricky one. Behemoth is notorious for having small problems that cost it the battle such as links falling loose, and Pussycat is notorious for causing little problems like making links fall out. However, if Behemoth can keep its front facing Pussycat, then the cat's blade is not going to do anything more than scratch the Titanium bucket. If Behemoth plays its cards right, it can hold off Pussycat until the pit opens and then shove the cat in. In the play-off, Pussycat beats Stinger via the Judges on damage like it did in Extreme.


 * The Grand Final, Behemoth vs Chaos 2. Behemoth has great power and I can see it putting up a terrific fight and getting some flips in, but ultimately Chaos 2 is faster, excellently controlled and can easily exploit the sides and rear of Behemoth to toss it around and eventually Oota.


 * The seeds for Series 5 look like this IMO:

1. Chaos 2 2. Behemoth 3. Pussycat 4. Stinger 5. Razer 6. Panic Attack 7. Hypno-Disc 8. Firestorm 9. 3 Stegs to Heaven 10. Wheely Big Cheese 11. Dominator 2 (Narrowly missed out on winning the Annihilator, and Wild Thing didn't reach the Top 8 this time) 12. Wild Thing 13. Tornado 14. Spawn Again 15. X-Terminator 16-24: Same order from Thermidor 2 to S.M.I.D.S.Y. as in real life.


 * Anyone who wants to tackle that hypothetical Series 5, be my guest. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 19:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll give it a go.

Chaos 2 wins as in real life. Pussycat cuts into Black Widow, then Atomic, but Bulldog Breed flips it OOTA. Razer crushes Hippobotamus and General Carnage before piercing S3 and immobilising it. Hypno-Disc beats Bee-Capitator, then Sir Chromalot, then smashes Reactor's wheel in. 3 Stegs beats Trouble and Strife, then Napalm, but not PrizePhita. Spawn Again sends Immortalis flying and Corkscrew as well, then pulls off the shock against Dominator 2. Wild Thing holds off Hydra, then Evolution, and flips Diotoir over and Diotoir is set alight. X-Terminator has a close battle with Supernova, winning on damage. In round 2 though, Crustacean pits it. Firestorm gets underneath Eleven, and should it go to a judges' decision, I think it will win. Firestorm then beats Tetanus easily. In the heat final against Bigger Brother, BB have trouble getting under and Firestorm wins. No change and Panic Attack wins. Behemoth overturns The Executioner, then Clawed Hopper, before holding off Fluffy with the bucket scoop.
 * Heat A:
 * Heat B:
 * Heat C:
 * Heat D:
 * Heat E:
 * Heat F:
 * Heat G:
 * Heat H:
 * Heat I:
 * Heat J:
 * Heat K: Stinger hits away at Big Nipper and then beats Widows Revenge. In the heat final with Rick, the same destruction, only Stinger causes it, not Razer.
 * Heat L:


 * Semi 1:
 * Firestorm vs Razer: razer wins.
 * Chaos 2 vs Prizephita: The only non-seed in this semi is thrown out of the arena.
 * Stinger vs Wild Thing: Wild Thing's disc cuts Stinger's wheels. The 4th seeds are demoted.
 * Firestorm vs Prizephita vs Stinger: The Durham team win through.
 * Chaos 2 vs Razer: Razer destroys Chaos.
 * Firestorm vs Wild Thing: Firestorm reach the final again.


 * Semi 2:
 * Wheely Big Cheese vs Spawn Again: The Cheese prevails because its flipper is better.
 * Bulldog Breed vs Hypno-Disc: Hypno-Disc destroys the bulldog.
 * Behemoth vs Panic Attack: The Welsh wizards pit the number two seed.
 * Behemoth vs Spawn Again vs Bulldog Breed: All three robots will get some good flips or lifts in, but I reckon it's Behemoth who will prevail.
 * Wheely Big Cheese vs Hypno-Disc: H-D will destroy the wheel before the cheese can send it out of the arena.
 * Behemoth vs Panic Attack: Panic Attack beats Behemoth again.


 * Grand Final:
 * Razer vs Hypno-Disc: Hypno-Disc destroys Razer.
 * Firestorm vs Panic Attack: Panic Attack goes over the wall.
 * Razer vs Panic Attack: I think PA will turn Razer over and pit it before it can self right.
 * Hypno-Disc vs Firestorm: I'll let somebody else decide that one. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:27, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Crusher immobilises Beast of Bodmin
The semi finals would have been very different had this shock been pulled off! How well do you reckon Crusher would fare in the competition if it had managed this? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:30, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Crusher would be against Onslaught in round 2, and would struggle immensely to get any sort of attack in unless Onslaught drives straight into the crusher, Razer struggled to catch Onslaught and it didn't have tracks. Onslaught should ram and lift for the win. The heat final is now Onslaught against Invertabrat, and I think Onslaught takes it, it can't self-right if Invertabrat manages to get a flip in, but Onslaught is quicker and I don't believe that Invertabrat will manage to use its weapons effectively against it. In the semi final, Onslaught faces Blade and wins, again it's more manoeuvrable and might be able to get a flip in on Blade to immobilise it. Against Steg-O-Saw-Us, though, I think the dinosaur takes it, it's more powerful than Onslaught and won't be flipped as easily as previous opponents, Steg-O-Saw-Us to ram for the win. Combatwombat555 (talk) 18:25, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

I suppose Onslaught would be seeded then in the fourth Wars, wouldn't it? It did make the top eight, so a top 10 seeding. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:36, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I forgot about doing the seedings for the next war. Seeing as Beast of Bodmin didn't enter the next war so I can't just slot Onslaught in where BoB would have been, I think it'd go at 10th, I don't think it would displace any of the other top 8 or Behemoth or Razer. Every other robot moves down a place then, and Suicidal Tendencies misses out. Really can't be bothered saying how the Fourth Wars would play out though, I'm supposed to be revising. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:48, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

The Mauler allowed to qualify for World Championship
Cerberus would have a deadly enemy to face - but how would that have changed the competition?

I think the Mauler would've destroyed both them and Diotoir - but Behemoth would be a different story. Behemoth would hold it off like Hypno-Disc.Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:45, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Opposite seeding system in series 4
Here's what I reckon would have happened if series 4 used the series 5 seeding system:

Heat A:

Suicidal Tendencies fights Medusa 2000 and Attila. With similar weaponry to King B3, it could get under Medusa, and dent it. ST does to Attila what KB3 did, and it loses the judges' decision. In round 2, Atomic's flipper can get under ST easily so it has the advantage. Heat final plays out as normal.

Heat B:

Stinger replaces Pussycat, where it faces M.A. Bug and Reptirron. Stinger swings its weapon at Reptirron so that it dents the armour, destroying the fuel lines as before. Against Robochicken, due to the armour, I think Stinger takes this one. Onto the heat final with Razer, and with Pussycat not around, Razer need not worry about its wheels, I think it will pierce and immobilise Stinger.

Heat C:

Diotòir is replaced by fellow Irish machine Weld-Dor 2, up against Bolt from the Blue and Ming 2 I would say it could actually get underneath Ming 2 and flip it over. But in the second round, Morgue topples it over though. Heat final as normal.

Heat D:

Mortis is replaced by Plunderbird. Up against Mazakari and Iron Awe, it's a bit of a conundrum but I reckon it will grip/ram Mazakari and do what Mortis did. Plunderbird and Iron-Awe gang up on Mazakari and it's goodbye to them. In round 2, Crusader 2 can't really get under Plunderbird and ends up getting crushed. In the heat final, Steg 2 wins quite easily with its flipper.

Heat E:

Berserk 2 takes on Disc-O-Inferno and Major Tom. I think all it needs is to tip over Major Tom to win, so it goes through with Disc-O-Inferno. In round 2, Berserk faces Dominator 2, while Disc-O-Inferno faces 101. Dominator will hack the 24th seed up, while 101 would hold DOI to a close judges' decision, which is taken by 101. Heat final stays the same.

Heat F:

Shadow of Napalm fights Invertebrat and The Creature. Invertebrat suffers the same weapon misfortune and the others go through. Shadow now faces Tornado, who rams it into submission.

Heat G:

Aggrobot takes over from Dreadnaught. Warhog breaks down again. Aggrobot now faces Thermidor 2, who flips it to win, and heat final continues as normal.

Heat H:

Cerberus is thrown in the ring against Maverick and Killertron. Killertron goes through due to its destructive axe. Maverick gets under Cerberus and it's out due to no srimech.

In round 2: Maverick faces Wheelosaurus. Maverick beats the ailing robot with its flipper. Maverick succumbs to WBC in the heat final.

Heat I:

Splinter, Small Torque and King B3 do battle. KB3 will slam Small Torque into submission and Splinter will hack it. Small Torque sent home to Scotland. In round 2, King B3 has a rematch with Eric, and pits it once again. In the heat final, it faces Splinter, and I reckon Splinter will win.

Heat J:

Pussycat tears up Spikasaurus before doing the same to Hammer & Tong. In the heat final Pussycat does enough damage to win the judges' decision.

Heat K:

Assuming Diotoir is ready in time, it could flip over Sumpthing, and cause it to break down from flipping it. Diotoir now faces Mousetrap, and I think Mousetrap will win.

Heat L:

Mortis steps in for Plunderbird, where it faces Fat Boy Tin and Vercingetorix. Fat Boy Tin goes out. Now Mortis faces Knightmare, and smashes its front hinged flipper in, before tipping it over. Heat final, up against Spawn, Mortis pits the Essex machine.

Heat M: X-Terminator takes on Scorpion and Reactor. XT hacks the poor Scorpion before it faces the Steel Avenger. Here, I think there will be an upset, SA's superior axe will bash in XT's aluminium armour. Heat final plays out normally.

Heat N:

Sir Chromalot vs Judge Shred vs Millennium Bug: Sir Chro and Judge Shred take the walker down. In round two the Class Act are outclassed by Arnold, who flip them on their side. In the heat final, Behemoth take it.

Heat O:

Dreadnaut vs Oblivion vs Sawpoint. I think Sawpoint and Dreadnaut will send Oblivion 2 into oblivion. SMIDSY vs Dreadnaut, Dreadnaut will be rammed into submission. No further change.

Heat P:

Terrorbull vs Centurion vs V Max: Centurion is turned up over by V-Max. No further change.

Semi Final 1:

Chaos 2 vs Steg 2: no change. Wheely Big Cheese vs Tornado: no change. Razer vs Thermidor: The world champion wins greatly. Firestorm vs Dominator: same.

Chaos 2 vs Tornado: same. Razer vs Dominator 2: Dominator pulls off the upset!

Semi Final 2:

Pussycat vs Mousetrap: Pussycat does an S3 and destroys the trap weapon to win. Mortis vs Panic Attack: I think Mortis could actually win this one or maybe even pit PA. Hypno-Disc vs Splinter: Same. Behemoth vs Wild Thing: Behemoth pushes Wild Thing around and wins.

Mortis vs Pussycat: Mortis' armour is too much for Pussycat, and it holds it off. Behemoth vs Hypno-Disc: Behemoth wins.

Final:

Chaos 2 vs Mortis: Chaos 2 takes it. Dominator 2 vs Behemoth: Dominator does immense damage to MAKE Robotics.

Play Off:

Mortis vs Behemoth: Behemoth takes it.

Grand Final:

Chaos 2 flips D2 to take the title.

These will be the seedings for the Fifth Wars, going by my forecast:
 * 1) Chaos 2
 * 2) Dominator 2
 * 3) Behemoth
 * 4) Hypno-Disc
 * 5) Pussycat
 * 6) Razer
 * 7) Tornado
 * 8) Panic Attack
 * 9) Firestorm
 * 10) 3 Stegs to Heaven
 * 11) Wild Thing
 * 12) Wheely Big Cheese
 * 13) Thermidor 2
 * 14) Splinter
 * 15) Mousetrap 2
 * 16) Spawn Again
 * 17) Gemini
 * 18) 101
 * 19) Atomic 2
 * 20) Stinger
 * 21) SMIDSY
 * 22) King B. Powerworks
 * 23) Bulldog Breed
 * 24) The Steel Avenger

If Mortis did enter, they would be seeded fourth. X-Terminator lost their seeding because they fell in the second round.

Anyone agree/disagree?

Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:46, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * I've noticed a small problem... You said that you think Dominator 2 would beat Razer, and then sent Razer through. Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:10, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Fixed! Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:13, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * There we go. :P I actually believe Razer wouldn't make it out of the heat, Stinger is at its peak and Razer has reasonably weak armour. Stinger is also very hard to get hold of, Razer is probably the best equipped vertical crusher to do so but even so, that's a close run thing. Plus, this Razer's a time bomb, its reliability is not great and it could just conk out. Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:20, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

That'd put Stinger against Thermidor - whose side are you on? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:28, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Difficult one, but I think Stinger, this Thermidor wasn't as powerful as the post-weight-limit-increase model that flipped Stinger out in the Mayhem. Stinger should do enough to win on damage. Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:31, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Now Stinger faces Dominator 2 - which swinging weapon will prevail? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:39, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Dominator 2 can hit the receiver in Stinger's wheels, and I think took out Stinger in the Northern Annihilator? Dominator 2's shape is also pretty good at resisting Stinger's attacks, the mace should just bounce off. Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:41, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Any other things you don't quite agree with? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:48, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that's about it, nothing that really changes the outcome anyway. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

And here's what would have happened in series 5:
Heat A: Seeds: Chaos 2 and The Steel Avenger

Win their matches like in real life, and Suicidal Tendencies fights Obsidian, and takes one or two blows but ultimately crushes it. In the second round, Chaos 2 flips over ST beyond self-righting, and 8345T is smacked up by SA's axe. Heat final plays out like in the real-life second round.

Heat B: Seeds: Behemoth and King B Powerworks

Behemoth overturns the Black Widow easily, and KBP's pushing power is a bit much for Kan Opener. Bulldog Breed are in Heat L, so their place against Juggernot 2 is taken by Mini Morg, who easily gets under the Scots machine. In round 2, Behemoth and King B face Mini Morg and Lambsy respectively. Behemoth would beat MM and Lambsy would flip around King BP to pull off a bit of an upset. In the heat final, Behemoth pits Lambsy.

Heat C:

Seeds: Pussycat and Stinger

Pussycat fights Shredder, and does plenty of damage to the brick-like machine. In round 2 it faces S3, and cuts its wheels, rendering 1 Law Associates immobile. In the heat final, Pussycat beats Stinger.

Heat D:

Seeds: Tornado and 101

Tornado bashes Beecapitator around and into the pit, while 101 withstands Rruf Ruf Dougal. In round 2, Tornado beats Sir Chromalot, and 101 can beat Reactor 2 due to its robust structure and pushing power. Tornado beats 101 to win the heat.

Heat E:

Seeds: Firestorm and Spawn Again

Firestorm totals Trouble and Strife, and Spawn Again obliterates Prizefighta. Round 2, and Firestorm topples Napalm over while Spawn again flips The Alien over and its counted out. Firestorm wins the heat final.

Heat F:

Seeds: Wild Thing and Splinter

Wild Thing has the edge over Derek, and Splinter mortalises Immortalis. In round 2 we have no King B Powerworks, so X-Terminator will have faced Kronic 2, who overturns it. Wild Thing beats Kronic 2, while Corkscrew smashes up Splinter. In the heat final, Wild Thing vs Corkscrew. I predict Wild Thing will hold off Corkscrew with the lance and pit it.

Heat G:

Seeds: Wheely Big Cheese and Thermidor 2

WBC flips Gravedigger, maybe out of the arena! Hydra is flipped by Thermidor 2, who just has the better flipping weapon of the two. Round 2 sees WBC beat Diotoir like it did in Extreme 1 and Thermidor 2 beat Evolution. In the heat final, Wheely Big Cheese has the bigger flipper, so it beats Thermidor 2.

Heat H:

Seeds: 3 Stegs to Heaven and Mousetrap 2

3 Stage to Heaven vs Wolverine: The dinosaur takes this on damage due to the circular saw.

Mousetrap 2 vs Supernova: Supernova shreds up the 15th seeds.

In round 2 3 Stegs loses to Axe-Awe, and Supernova beats Crushtacean. Heat final sees Supernova rip Axe-Awe apart.

Heat I:

Seeds: Panic Attack and Gemini. Gemini faces Viper 01, and the twins flip it over easily. Panic Attack beats Eleven. Round two, and Gemini is beaten by Bigger Brother, but Panic Attack manages to pit Tetanus. Panic Attack vs Bigger Brother, and I think Panic Attack would narrowly win.

Heat J:

Seeds: Razer and Atomic 2

Razer crumples Barber-Ous, and Atomic sends Kat 3 flyin' out of the arena! In round 2: Razer vs Tiberius. Similar weaponry, but Razer is gonna dominate this one. Atomic 2 vs Major Tom: Atomic uses its flipper to advantage. Razer wins the Heat Final.

Heat K:

Seeds: Hypno-Disc and SMIDSY

Hypno-Disc vs Big Nipper: H-D smashes the beetle-like robot up with its flywheel. SMIDSY faces Rick, and beats it. Hypno-Disc vs Widows Revenge: more flywheel destruction. SMIDSY vs Destruct-a-Bubble: SMIDSY pits the bubble. Onto the heat final, Hypno-Disc vs SMIDSY, and I think Hypno Disc will badly damage SMIDSY.

Heat L:

Seeds: Dominator 2 and Bulldog Breed

Dominator 2's axe does serious dents in the Executioner, causing it to beat it a second time. Bulldog Breed, meanwhile, sends Fluffy flying. In round 2, Dominator beats Clawed Hopper, and against Terrorhurtz, Bulldog Breed suffers an upset and gets smashed in by that axe. Heat final: Dominator 2 vs Terrorhurtz. I think Terrorhurtz will take this on damage.

Semi Final 1:

Panic Attack vs Pussycat: same as real life.

Chaos 2 vs Firestorm: same as the series 3 grand final.

Wheely Big Cheese vs Hypno-Disc: H-D smashes the cheese's wheels in!

Loser's mêlée: same line up as the other semi in real life. Firestorm wins!

Chaos 2 vs Pussycat: Chaos 2 is through to the final.

Firestorm vs Hypno-Disc: Hypno-Disc actually beats Firestorm this time.

Semi Final 2:

Supernova vs Wild Thing: Supernova buckles WT's wheels.

Behemoth vs Tornado: Tornado bashes Behemoth into submission!

Terrorhurtz vs Razer: Razer rips through that polycarb.

Losers mêlée: Terrorhurtz, Wild Thing and Behemoth. Terrorhurtz tears through Wild Thing, and Behemoth goes the same way.

Razer vs Supernova: Supernova shocks us all by cutting the world champion's wheels Pussycat-style.

Tornado vs Terrorhurtz: Tornado pits Terrorhurtz.

Grand Final:

Chaos 2 (1) vs Supernova: Chaos 2 sends the Sri Lankans OOTA.

Tornado (7) vs Hypno-Disc (4): Tornado has better pushing power, I can see them win.

3rd Place Playoff:

Supernova vs Hypno-Disc: Battle of the flywheels. Very difficult call to make, but I reckon Hypno Disc would stand an ever so slightly better chance.

Grand Final:

Tornado vs Chaos 2: Tornado beat Chaos 2 twice in Extreme 1, whereas Chaos 2 had only beaten it once. I think Tornado would be Series 5 Champion in real life. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:52, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm... One thing I would say, some of these robots (like Tornado, Terrorhurtz, Supernova) were not the beasts they were in series 6/7, like Tornado only has the drum weapon so won't be able to get underneath other robots and push them quite around as easily, Terrorhurtz wasn't quite as powerful, and Supernova didn't seem quite the finished product either. Perhaps worth bearing in mind. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:25, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * If Dominator 2 did win its heat, and Wild Thing beat Supernova:


 * 1) Dominator faces Razer and wins. In the losers melee, Razer pierces Supernova and Behemoth. In the last eight, they beat Tornado.
 * 2) Wild Thing, in the second round, are dented by Dominator 2.
 * 3) In the resulting grand final. Chaos 2 flips Dominator 2 for the win, and Hypno-Disc de-wheels Razer, then in the third place playoff Dominator 2 beats Razer once again before Chaos 2 beats Hypno-Disc in what is only different from series 3 because H-D has a srimech. That sound more realistic to you? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:28, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Series 6:
Chaos 2 throws Brutus Maximum and Wasp out of the arena. In round 2 it does the same to Cyrax, and beats Raging Reality in the final.
 * Heat A:

Dominator 2 will dent the armour of Colossus and Mega Hurts 2. In round 2 Dominator 2 dents Barbaric Response, and X-Terminator is terminated by Cedric Slammer's disc. However, Dominator dominates the heat final.
 * Heat B:

Firestorm oota's Destructosaur, and possibly Iron Awe 2. In round 2, it beats Crustacean like in the Commonwealth Carnage. Against Dantomkia, it wins like in the Extreme 2 Allstars.
 * Heat C:

Tornado pushes Roobarb around, doing it considerable damage. Shredder hits Tornado into the wall, but Tornado survives. Roobarb and Armadirllo still go. Tornado pits Sir Chromalot followed by Shredder. "That'll teach him a lesson!"
 * Heat D:

The ninth seeds, Behemoth, pits the Stag so UFO doesn't have to. Joining them in the second round will be Vader, who immobilise UFO. 259 could do some damage to Behemoth but the Hemel Hempstead boys take it on control. In the heat final they beat Vader in the same fashion.
 * Heat E:

No change. 13 Black wins.
 * Heat F:

Spawn Again seeded twelfth throws Inshredable oota. It then throws Edge Hog out whether immobilised or not. In round 2, Anarchy beats Terror Bull, and Spawn Again faces Thor. Thor will probably be flipped out again. Onto the heat final with Anarchy, and I expect Anarchy to pull off the upset by smashing in the Scutterbot's armour, taking it on damage and making history.
 * Heat G:

Supernova stays in the heat, this time seeded, and is joined by S3. The two disc wielding robots pose a potential threat to Tiberius III and Short Circuit. Supernova immobilise Short Circuit, and Tiberius is destroyed by S3 and Supernova. In the second round, Spam faces S3, and its weaponry will be ineffective, and S3 will knock it into the pit, or immobilise it with the disc. In the heat final, S3 will push Supernova against the angle grinder, destroy its wheel, and cruise to the semis.
 * Heat H:

The absolute same and Terrorhurtz goes through.
 * Heat I:

Wild Thing - as I stated on the "Mousetrap beats S3" section, goes through. It faces S.M.I.D.S.Y., and I reckon the Ixion boys will scoop up Wild Thing, pit it, and pull off an upset. In the heat final, SMIDSY pits Hydra.
 * Heat J:

Razer crushes Barber-Ous 2's plastic armour. Granny's Revenge, badly hit by the immobilised robot, is counted out, so 4x4 goes through instead! In round 2, Razer faces Bulldog Breed, and even if the dog gets a few good flips, I still think Razer will put it to sleep with its crusher. In the other heat semi, Kat 3 dents 4x4. Kat 3 vs Razer, i think there will be a repeat of the second US series. Razer rides on.
 * Heat K:

Hypno-Disc smashes up Tridentate and Derek 2 is destroyed by Disc-O-Inferno. In round 2, against Bigger Brother, I think it will go to a judges' decision, but Hypno will win on damage. Against Disc-O-Inferno in the final, very good battle, I reckon Hypno-Disc will pull off a close win.
 * Heat L:


 * Semi 1:
 * Chaos 2 vs Behemoth: The three (two in real life!) time champions beat Behemoth badly.
 * Dominator 2 vs 13 Black: The Dominator takes some damage from those discs, but the Leicester boys take even more from the axe.
 * Firestorm 4 vs Tornado: Tornado's got the scoop, and is able to push the constant semi finalist around and maybe into the pit!
 * Behemoth vs Firestorm 4 vs 13 Black: Firestorm 4 is easily able to beat these two machines. But I think behemoth will be in a bad shape from 13 Black's discs.
 * Chaos 2 vs Firestorm: Firestorm 4 pulls off the shock by getting underneath Chaos 2. Revenge from the third wars!
 * Dominator 2 vs Tornado: Tornado savages Dominator 2 until either the wheels don't work well anymore, or they're in the pit.


 * Semi 2:
 * Razer vs Anarchy: Razer does to Anarchy what it did to its predecessor in the 1st World Championship.
 * Hypno-Disc vs SMIDSY: Hypno-Disc is pitted by SMIDSY in a shocking upset.
 * S3 vs Terrorhurtz: S3 tears through that polycarbonate.
 * Terrorhurtz vs Anarchy vs Hypno-Disc: H-D will easily beat these two, neither has particularly good armour.
 * SMIDSY vs Razer: An easy win for Razer.
 * S3 vs Hypno-Disc: Hypno-Disc I think will win.


 * Grand Final:
 * Firestorm vs Razer: Razer will win this on damage, if there is no immobilisation.
 * Hypno-Disc vs Tornado: Tornado will hold off H-D with its scoop.
 * Hypno-Disc vs Firestorm IV: I'm not being different or interesting when I say that I think Hypno-Disc will smash Firestorm before it can get a good flip, so HD comes third.
 * Tornado vs Razer: Tornado wins the same controversial way. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 00:21, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Series 7 All-Stars - All Eligible Candidates Participate
How would the competition have gone if Bulldog Breed, Ming Dienasty, SMIDSY, Spawn Again, Supernova, Terrorhurtz, Thermidor 2 and X-Terminator had all been available to compete? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 15:59, June 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * Who takes the last spot them? SA or someone else? and if so, then who faces who? --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 17:30, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't think another one's required, there's 8 there. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:31, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think they're refering to the fact that Dantomkia only got in because these robots didn't make it in. CrashBash (talk) 17:49, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what I'm referring to. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:15, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Here's what I think would've happened. Bulldog Breed would've taken Dantomkia's place and qualified.

SMIDSY rams MD-N around, its drill won't be very effective. Spawn Again will try to flip its opponents. I think Spawn Again and Terrorhurtz will go through, SA can flip SMIDSY out of the arena.
 * Spawn Again vs Terrorhurtz vs SMIDSY vs Ming:

Supernova will be a threat with its disc. I think X-Terminator will severely damage The Steel Avenger, putting it against Thermidor 2, and I think Thermidor 2 could flip the 4th place robot upside down, meaning Thermidor 2 and Supernova go through.
 * X-Terminator vs Thermidor 2 vs Supernova vs The Steel Avenger:

Two very good flippers, but I think Thermidor will get underneath Spawn Again and flip it over. You never know, maybe it will be a repeat of the Heat N final and Team Scutterbots will be unable to right themselves!
 * Spawn Again vs Thermidor 2:

That disc could tear through that polycarb. Another former grand finalist gone.
 * Terrorhurtz vs Supernova:


 * Pussycat vs Supernova: Supernova could damage the wheels, but so could Pussycat. I'm going to say Pussycat does more damage to the Sr Lankan robot.


 * Bulldog Breed vs Thermidor 2: The dog will probably win.


 * Pussycat vs Bulldog Breed: not gonna try call that one. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:55, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Series 7 Second Round Semis Reversed
What if the results of the first round of the semis had stayed the same, but the four Grand Finalists actually lost to Firestorm 5, Bulldog Breed, Gravity and Atomic? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 14:27, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Firestorm V would beat Gravity, while Atomic would probably beat Bulldog Breed (I'm not certain on this though). Bulldog Breed would beat Gravity to come third, while Firestorm V would walk away as the winner. Toast  Ultimatum  15:01, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Disruptor beats Panic Attack
What would have happened in series 2 if the eventual champions had actually failed to win their heat? At one point it seemed Disruptor had the upper hand.

Here's my prediction: I don't think Disruptor would do much better in the Gauntlet. This time there will be no need for a race off, so Mace through. In the pinball, I think Behemoth will narrowly beat Mace but Napalm will go out. Mortis will then damage that bid Lin Killertron with its axe and maybe even flip it over, and Mace vs Behemoth, Behemoth will turn over Mace, but Mace will self right and pit it. In the final Cassius faces Roadblock, and Mortis faces Mace. In the former, Cassius from Roadblock over, and pits it. Mortis then beats Mace. I can see Roadblock winning the third place playoff due to its low front, and I think Cassius will beat Mortis.That means that with no seeds in series 3, the top two lose to Pussycat and Gravedigger in their second-round battles. Anyone agree? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:31, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

The Parthian Shot successful in Gauntlet
And pertaining to the same heat, what would have been the situation if TPS hadn't been timed out and Disruptor went out instead? I reckon in the basho, it doesn't stand much of a chance; Shunt can simply slam the poor circular machine with little pushing power of the edges. The last four is now: Panic Attack vs Whirling Dervish, Ron vs Corporal Punishment. I think CP's wedge is pretty good, but Ron is designed to ram. I think the frame will ho!d off Ron, but Ron will ram CP nonetheless. Ron could indeed pit Corporal Punishment. Whoever does win though, I think they'll be no match for Panic Attack. The decision in real life between Disruptor and CP was pretty close. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:31, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Pussycat in series 7 heat final
What if Pussycat's disc didn't let it down and it beat M2? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:54, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think Pussycat's disc was really the problem, the disc was never going to immobilise M2 and Pussycat got thrown around very easily by M2 making the judges' decision obvious, a bit like Firestorm against Pussycat in Series 5. However, if Pussycat had caused enough damage to sway the judges, it'd probably beat Tiberius in the heat final, causing damage and avoiding the crusher, before losing to Atomic, probably going OotA. Combatwombat555 (talk) 18:00, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Typhoon 2 vs Atomic S7
This was a very good battle, mind you. What would have happened in the competition if Atomic had been able to self-right before Typhoon 2 deadened it with that big blow? Would the Worcestershire robot have won the battle?Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:08, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that Atomic would beat X-Terminator, no matter what. Storm 2-Tornado is the same, and I'll assume that the Tornado-X-Terminator is much closer. The final, eh it depends on how good Atomic is and who you talk to. Personally I think it will be very close, possible one point between the two that separates it. --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 18:30, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

X-Terminator vs Immortalis battle
What would have happened in round 1 of the heat if, rather than Refbot righting the fourteenth seeds, the robot just got counted out? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:17, June 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * In all likelihood, Corkscrew would beat Immortalis even if its spinner didn't work by ramming Team Death's machine into submission. If Immortalis got a lucky flip in, then Dominator 2 would turn it into swiss cheese in the Heat Final. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 20:02, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * If it went to a judge's decision, it would probably be in favour of XT so nothing would change. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:17, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Kan-Opener OOTA'd by Ripper
This nearly happened in round one of the last Annihilator. If it actually had, this is what I think would've happened from there on out:


 * Round 2:

Flippa suffer the same mechanical failure.

Kan opener is gone, so Raging Knightmare self rights every time. I think Ewe 2 will still be unable to self right. Just as the Refbot is finishing to count out Ewe 2, Raging Knightmare will pit Robochicken successfully, but Ewe 2 go out instead because they were immobilised first.
 * Round 3:

So Ripper, Raging Knightmare and Robochicken. An all heat-finalist lineup. I think the former two will team up to get the poor bird out of the arena. Ripper's flipper blade could do that if Raging Knightmare's doesn't. Either way, I don't think the poor bird stands much of a chance.
 * Round 4:

Due to the shape of Raging Knightmare, I think Ripper would most likely become annihilator champion. Raging Knightmare doesn't have K-O's weaponry and can't do what the West Midlands robot did to Ripper. Plus even if RK did use its flipper, Ripper has that bump-like thing above the blade, meaning it could easily ram the Leicestershire robot into the wall, and do to it what Firestorm did to itself in the real-life final heat. Ripper beat RK in the real annihilator nonetheless (before losing to the robot who, in this instance, goes out in round 1). A robot that flipped a seed out of the arena in its heat final, is flipped out by a robot flipped out by a seed in its heat final, and Ripper is victorious.
 * The Final:

What are your thoughts, guys? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:26, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

X-Terminator pits Typhoon 2
What would happened in the third place play off, the decider battle and the World Championship if X-Terminator had pulled it off and the Scottish robot bounced into the pit? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:58, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Playoff-Tornado wins, no matter what. Doesn't matter if Typhoon 2 adapts the robot or not, Tornado's driving wins. Final-Depends on damage, and how the robots come out, really. But for me, Storm 2. 3rd World Championship-impossible to tell. --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 18:30, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

All-Stars Extra Battles
Something a little different from what we normally talk about, but I think it still counts, so I'll go with it.

You know what the Extreme 2 All-Stars championship reminds me of, in terms of set-up? The German Championship. Minus the playoff and loser's melee, of course. But what if there wasn't a "minus"? What if there was a playoff for 3rd and 4th (Bigger Brother vs 13 Black)? And what if there was a loser's melee (Dantomkia vs Tornado vs Spawn Again vs Dominator 2)? What would have happened? CrashBash (talk) 07:28, July 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Loser's Mêlée:

Four very good robots in the arena together. Hmmm let's see, I think Spawn Again would be rammed into submission by Tornado and pummeled by Dominator 2. It wasn't at its best during series 6. Then I think Tornado will ram Dominator 2 into the wall and its wheel will be damaged, leaving Tornado and Dantomkia left to fight it out. I think Dantomkia will probably throw Tornado out of the arena.


 * 3rd Place:

Bigger Brother will do to 13 Black what Gravity did to it in the Seventh Wars. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 08:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Eleven in the Fifth Wars
What if it had been put through by the judges to the second round instead of 3 Stegs To Heaven? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:59, July 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * If 3 Stegs was eliminated (severe mechanical failure that can't be repaired in time maybe?), Then Eleven would face Tetanus. Realistically, Tetanus would win either win through rupturing the hydraulic cables with the sharp forklift, or after a boring 5 minute "battle" of driving around and poking Eleven, winning the Judges' decision on Aggression. If by some miracle Tetanus got grounded by bending its own chassis or drove over a CO2 jet again, then Eleven would fight Bigger Brother in probably the weirdest Heat Final ever. If Bigger Brother's much weaker Series 4 flipper could flip over Clawed Hopper, then its House Robot slaying flipper could could most likely flip 194 kgs. However, I doubt that Bigger Brother could effectively throw over or push something as massive as Eleven, so it wins this fight either by firing the flipper and catching some hydraulic cables, or Killalot getting bored of seeing BB poke Eleven and coming in to dump the massive walker oota (If Kilallot doesn't fall right over while trying to pick such a hugh and heavy thing up lol).


 * But wait! Bigger Brother suffers from a severe mechanical failure halfway through the battle, putting Eleven through to the Semi-Finals! Eleven looks to be the underdog against S3, but the Hammerhead Shark's disc gets caught on a hydraulic cable, allowing Eleven to slowly, torturously drag S3 into the pit! Eleven then comes up against the mighty Chaos 2, and surely it's heroic, Costa Rica-esque underdog run is about to end.... No! Chaos 2 can't flip Eleven over, and then Eleven slams the jaws/hammer down on Chaos 2's rear, piercing right through the polycarb cover and miraculously destroying Chaos 2's motor connections!


 * Into the Grand Final, and Eleven faces the terrifying Hypno-Disc. The Rose boys are merciless; ripping into Eleven's legs and jaws, causing hydraulic fluid to spew everywhere! It must be over now, Eleven can only twitch and move 1 millimetre per minute! Hypno-Disc decides that enough is enough and goes for the pit release trigger. Hypno-Disc lines up, ready to slowly push the crippled walker into the abyss..... OH NO!!!!! Hypno-Disc drives straight under Eleven and slides on the Hydraulic fluid, skittering into the pit! Eleven through to the final battle, and the World Champion Razer awaits. Razer immediately rams into one of Eleven's raised legs and crushes part of the shaft, almost hitting a cable. Eleven still ventures forth, and Razer is completely stumped! It literally runs rings around Eleven, but just can't find a way to effectively grab it! Razer decides to go for the front and.... WHAT A MISTAKE! Just as Razer lines up an attack from the front, Eleven's jaws come crashing down and clamp around the mighty Claw! Eleven picks Razer up and holds it in the air like a scalp! Craig, JP, Philippa, the Judges and the Audience are utterly spellbound at this sight, to the point where no-one can form enough words to bring up the 30 second pinning rule, and the announcer forgets to call cease! Over the course of an awe inspiring 30 minutes, Eleven slowly struts towards the pit release, turns around, then carries Razer over the hole and drops it in! ELEVEN IS THE FIFTH WARS GRAND CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!!!


 * ..... Sorry for quite the tangent there, felt like a bit of fun :) MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 21:20, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe Eleven could beat Storm II after all. Toast  Ultimatum  21:41, July 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sooooooo, basically, Eleven is the ultimate troll-bot is what you're saying? CrashBash (talk) 20:39, July 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * Potentially, yes. Eleven really isn't capable of fighting, but there's very little that an opponent can actually do to it unless they have the power to rip it apart- even then it'll leak hydraulic oil and you'll struggle to gain traction on the floor afterwards. It probably can't be pitted- it's 2 and a half metres long, very wide and has 8 massive legs on the ground, if you put 2 legs over the pit, the other 6 would probably stay on the ground and keep it out. Want to push Eleven around? Good luck. By ramming a leg, you're pushing against 1/8th of the weight distribution and might shunt the 194kg machine in an arc a little bit. The only way to push Eleven in a straight line would be to have the power of Storm 2 and a wedge/scoop wide enough to make contact with both of Eleven's front legs, or tall enough to shunt against the main body- Behemoth might have a chance. Want to try crushing it? Eleven's chassis has a massive ground clearance, so Razer, Tiberius etc would just lift themselves off the ground as soon as the claw makes contact with the top of the robot; they might crush into Eleven when the wedge hits the bottom, but then they'd be stuck in the air. Finally, the only flippers I can see with a shot at turning Eleven over are massive launch pads like Wheely Big Cheese, Gravity and Spawn Again.


 * In the long run though, Eleven would lose to any semi-competent robot, but it's fun imagining what an awkward opponent it could be for others to fight. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 21:25, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

SMIDSY in series 6
What would have happened in the heat final had S.M.I.D.S.Y. been given that judge's decision and Dominator 2 went home? What would have happened to Bigger Brother and Tornado in the semifinals? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:23, July 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've thought about this before, S.M.I.D.S.Y. could have done really well. First of all I think it would have beaten Hydra. Hydra's hammer wasn't that punishing in Series 6, and S.M.I.D.S.Y.'s front wedge looked lower and more effective, so it shoves Hydra around and into the pit. In the Semi-Finals, S.M.ID.S.Y. faces Bigger Brother, and I reckon it can pull off an upset. Bigger Brother most likely won't flip S.M.I.D.S.Y. Oota- it's more suited to flipping big bulky robots like Splinter and S3 out, while the low, flat 3 Stegs and Disc-O-Inferno just wouldn't go over the wall. S.M.I.D.S.Y. has more pushing power, just as much experience in the arena, is well driven, and if it gets flipped over it can readjust the lifter to lie against the ground again. S.M.I.DS.Y. to lift Bigger Brother up and pit it.


 * Against Tornado, I really think that S.M.I.D.S.Y. can pull off a tight win. It actually managed to beat Tornado in a live event Tug of War around the time of Series 5, and I think that the lifter can get under the scoop and lift Tornado up to carry it around. S.M.I.D.S.Y. through to the Grand Final on a close Judges' decision. There however, S.M.I.D.S.Y. is probably outclassed at last. Firestorm IV is quick, well driven and will just keep scooping up S.M.I.D.S.Y. and flipping it before the Cyberspace machine can get an effective attack in. The Play-off with Terrorhurtz? We saw that fight in the Challenge Belt. Still, 4th place is not bad at all.


 * Into the All-Stars, let's say that S.M.I.D.S.Y. is in Dominator 2's position. It and Spawn Again will team up to pit the tired Hypno-Disc, but then 13 Black constantly hammers S.M.I.D.S.Y. into submission.


 * Due to Razer retiring, S.M.I.D.S.Y. is seeded 3rd for Series 7. It clears its heat fairly well; shoving and pitting/getting the judges' vote against Killerkat, Jackson Wallop, Big Nipper and the Grim Reaper. However, S.M.I.D.S.Y. is hopelessly outmatched against Storm 2. It puts up a valiant fight and does well to hang on, but Storm 2 yells "Sorry Mate, I Didn't See You" as it blows the cyberspace machine into the pit. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 21:48, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * If Tornado wasn't in the final, does that mean Firestorm V is seeded first? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:05, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Argh completely forgot about that, good point. Hmm, Razer would most likely win the Series 6 Final in this case. Let's say that they were convinced to return for Series 7 as reigning champion. Razer wins Heat A/E about as easily as Tornado did, Firestorm wins Heat P, Terrorhurtz still isn't ready and shows up for drama, and S.M.I.D.S.Y. is seeded 4th. In Heat O, it teams up with Typhoon 2 to ram Colossus and U.R.O into submission, before pitting Iron Awe. The Heat Final however is a bloodbath for poor old S.M.I.D.S.Y., who can't stop Typhoon 2's spinner, and gets ripped apart by the RAF cone of doom. MassiveDestruction49 (talk) 23:39, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Razer would beat Raging Knightmare but Gravity proves to be a tricky opponent and Razer is caught side on and sent out. Gravity fight Storm 2 and loses after being pitted. Gravity wins the play-off after getting under X-Terminator's side and sending it onto its back. Sam (BAZINGA) 12:36, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

13 Black in the Fifth Wars
What if 13 Black had been put through instead of Corkscrew on that judges' decision? 13 Black appeared to be mobile at the end but not Corkscrew, but Corkscrew got sent through anyway. Personally I think it could beat X-Terminator, but Dominator will beat the unimproved series 5 version of the machine. What do the rest of us think? I love to hear your opinions. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 09:30, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Corkscrew Pitted in Commonwealth Championship
In the Commonwealth championship in Extreme 2, Corkscrew was nearly pitted just before Bondi Fitch was immobilised. What if the Scottish robot went out? I suppose on a judge's decision it would've been pit through, but if it wasn't, I reckon Bondi Titch would lose to Crushtacean who would lose to Firestorm as usual.Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:28, August 2, 2014 (UTC)

Firestorm 3 given win over Razer in Series 5
In the grand final eliminator between Firestorm and Razer, it was so close the judges had to go into the arena to inspect the damage, only the second time in Robot Wars history that this had ever happened. They gave the win to Razer on a close decision. What would have happened in the very last battle if they had made the opposite decision, how would the play off have gone down, and what would the seedings for Series 6 look like? I think Firestorm would have beaten Bigger Brother. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:18, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, for a start the play-off would have been Hypno-Disc against Razer, a fight I genuinely don't know which way it'd go and I'm not going to try and call. The final would be interesting, because Firestorm's flipper had been killed by Razer, leaving it weaponless, but it's very low at the front and difficult to flip from the sides anyway... I'd give Firestorm the benefit of the doubt, I'm thinking it's aggressive and fast enough to scoop up Bigger Brother and probably pit it like it did to Hypno-Disc (although maybe not following it in this time). If Firestorm's flipper is working, easy win.
 * As for the seedings, depending on whether Hypno-Disc or Razer won the play-off, the top four seeds would be:
 * Firestorm
 * Bigger Brother
 * Razer (timeline 1)/Hypno-Disc (timeline 2)
 * Hypno-Disc (timeline 1)/Razer (timeline 2)
 * So the new series then goes as follows:
 * Heat A: No real threat to Firestorm here, breezes through the melee by taking out Brutus Maximus and W.A.S.P. as the two weakest, dispatches Cyrax, then out-flips Raging Knightmare to win the heat.
 * Heat B, timeline 1: If Razer takes the third seed, the opening melee might change a bit, as I imagine it'd steer clear of the robot that looks most threatening in Cedric Slammer, so takes on and knocks out Colossus and Mega Hurts 2. Razer can get to the wheels of Barbaric Response and immobilise it from there, whilst X-Terminator can withstand Cedric Slammer's disc and axe away at the top to take the judges' decision. X-Terminator could take out the wings with the axe then get side on and tip Razer with the scoop, but I think it's more likely that Razer simply charges in, out-wedges the scoop, and crushes through the front.
 * Heat B, timeline 2: If Hypno-Disc was the third seed, I'd imagine that Colossus is perhaps seen as the biggest threat with the large flipper; this plus Cedric Slammer's semi-exposed wheels and Mega Hurts' weak armour makes those two a tempting target. In the next round, Hypno-Disc may not like scoops much, but Barbaric Response's wheels again look a little vulnerable to a powerful weapon. I actually think Colossus might be able to beat X-Terminator, a big flipper that can turn it right onto its back seems to be a weakness. In the heat final, it makes no difference, Hypno-Disc takes it against either robot with ease.
 * Heat K, timeline 1: If Hypno-Disc's the fourth seed, nothing changes...
 * Heat K, timeline 2: ...But if Razer's fourth it's a bit more interesting. In the melee, dissuaded by the look of Barber-Ous 2 and stumped by Granny's Revenge, Razer goes after 4x4 as the easy target and crushes through it easily. Barber-Ous takes out the granny. Bulldog Breed is a more difficult opponent, but Razer just doesn't lose to flippers, I don't think Bulldog Breed can even touch the ground clearance, so a few crushes and Razer's through; even if Bulldog Breed's fairly tough armour holds it off, Razer will have controlled enough of the fight to win. The heat final, and I think Barber-Ous, though dangerous, won't beat Razer here- it's prone to knocking itself out, for a start, and if Razer just manages to charge at Barber-Ous and catch it with the wedge, the drum will stop and Razer can crush through the plastic at its leisure.
 * Heat L: no change.
 * Semi Final 1: Firestorm faces Wild Thing and wins, exploiting the gaping ground clearance. Depending on who won Heat B, it's Razer against 13 Black, which we've seen, or Hypno-Disc... I think the Rose family take this: with 13 Black having two flywheels, the weight must be balanced somewhere, either through weak armour (so Hypno-Disc can smash through to the wheels), or weaker discs (so Hypno-Disc doesn't take as much damage) or most likely both. The Losers Melee goes as normal, so either S3 faces either Razer (seen it) or Hypno-Disc, which again can get at the very exposed wheels, and I'd like to see what happens to S3 if the two discs met... In the other battle, Firestorm takes on Dantomkia and wins.
 * Semi-Final 2: Now, Tornado takes on either Hypno-Disc and defeats it as actually happened, or Razer... Tornado would use the anti-Razer cage and win most probably, as Razer doesn't have an effective counter to it yet. Bigger Brother vs Dominator 2 is as normal. The Losers Melee goes either as normal, or Razer, in a fight with two opponents it's fought and beaten before, might find itself ganged up upon like Hypno-Disc was. Unlike Hypno-Disc, this incarnation of Razer is pretty reliable and should withstand, maybe not immobilising either opponent but creating enough damage to see it through a tight judges' decision. In timeline 1, Terrorhurtz defeats Bigger Brother as normal, otherwise Razer faces Terrorhurtz and wins.
 * Grand Final, timeline 1: This consists of Firestorm, Razer, Tornado, and Terrorhurtz, with essentially the same fights taking place in different orders. Razer is drawn against Tornado in the first round and loses: the first fight of Razer against the anti-crusher cage in this timeline, and again, no defence. Firestorm defeats Terrorhurtz narrowly as what happened in the real play-off. Beyond this, Razer pits Terrorhurtz in the play-off and Tornado takes the title by pitting Firestorm.
 * Grand Final, timeline 2: This consists of Firestorm, Hypno-Disc, Tornado and Razer. Hypno-Disc fights Tornado and loses, with Razer once again defeating Firestorm. In the play-off, a lower, less damaged Firestorm can more easily defeat Hypno-Disc. The final is the second meeting in this series between Razer and Tornado's anti-crusher cage, so maybe by now they've devised a way to counter it more effectively, I'll leave that to your imagination... :P Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:01, October 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Note to self: Get around to writing analysis for Hypno-Disc vs Razer. Like, seriously....CrashBash (talk) 22:42, October 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I realise it'd have been about half the length if I'd just made a decision on that, but I think making the decision would have taken about as long as writing all of this out... Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:45, October 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeeeeeeah, that's kinda what I'm worried about. Probably should have made that the first fight analysis, and not Panic Attack vs Tornado. Oh well. CrashBash (talk) 22:52, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

One more weapon themed battle
As we know, there were three weapon themed battles, to decide who had the best spinner, the best axe and the best crusher...well, out of the robots available. As we know, Shredder Evolution, Iron Awe 2.1 and Mantis won those respective battles. But what if there was one more battle? One more three-way melee to decide...which weapon was the best overall? What if the three winners of their weapon-melees faced off against each other? What then? CrashBash (talk) 17:21, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I think Shredder Evolution would be the most likely winner. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:27, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Thor beats Storm 2
What would have happened in the New Blood Championship if Thor had actually won? Storm II were sent through even though their tyres were smoking! Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:27, August 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * The tyres were smoking due to traction, nothing more. CrashBash (talk) 17:05, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Didn't realise. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:10, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Gemini's wheely bars
I've decided to make this topic more open, rather than about just one battle. For Extreme 1 and the Fifth Wars the clusterbot had its wheelying problem solved - badly - with the addition of wheely bars - but this only made things worse when the robot clusters got flipped, as they couldn't self right. In other words, they solved a small problem of theirs with an even bigger problem. What would have become of the robot in series 5 and Extreme 1 if the wheely bars had never been used? How would it have changed their performance? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 17:27, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Extreme 1: I think the wheelie bars were only added for the Mayhem, not the All-Stars, so Razer's still going to have won that. In the Mayhem, The Spider got immobilised really quickly and, let's face it, Napalm was hardly stiff opposition by this stage, so Gemini should easily win. In the Annihilator, Gemini would definitely outlast Fighting Torque- it's made of plastic and can't self-right- and probably flip The Steel Avenger over enough times so that it runs out of gas. If we assume Panic Attack still has to retire because of the damage, Gemini's through against Spirit of Knightmare, which it'll probably outlast, but then it's out of luck against the destructive Disc-O-Inferno, the armour can't be that strong and those exposed wheels, ouch...
 * Series 5: Reactor 2 against Gemini is an interesting fight, because both are going to get back on their wheels every time. I think Gemini can probably take the judges' decision by getting more flips in though. Against Firestorm, though, it's out of luck: Firestorm's difficult to flip and should be able to scoop one of the twins up and throw it out of the arena. Combatwombat555 (talk) 18:56, October 3, 2014 (UTC)