Forum:Series 8 Seeds

As our first step, we must create the seeds. I'll take the liberty of making the top few myself. I have not decided on the number of seeds yet.

1. Typhoon 2 2. Storm 2 3. Tornado 4. X-Terminator 5. Firestorm 5 6. Bulldog Breed 7. Atomic 8. Gravity

As you can see, I am not sure whether Firestorm, as a three times Grand Finalist and five times Semi-Finalist, should outrank X-Terminator, who although came fourth, only reach the semi-finals twice out of five and lost to Firestorm in the sixth wars.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  12:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * X-Terminator as fourth. I can understand, but by that logic, Tornado, being a former champion, could have been ranked 2nd, not 3rd. As far as I'm concerned, it should always have been "The top four placers get the top four seeds". CBFan 12:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll go with X-Terminator, but you can't really say that Tornado would outrank Storm 2, because Storm 2 is also World Champion.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  00:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Right, assuming that the other semi-finalists show up, I'm going to suggest...

9. Dantomkia 10. Thermidor 2 11. Tough As Nails 12. Raging Knightmare 13. Mute 14. St Agro 15. M2 16. The Grim Reaper

Dantomkia and Thermidor top the chart for being former semi-finalists. Tough As Nails and Mute are promoted for their success in the World Championship and New Blood Championship, respectively. The Grim Reaper is demoted for having to go through on the judges decision for all of its battles. CBFan 13:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Just a few changes. I'm moving M2 above St Agro, because M2 defeated Pussycat and flipped out Vader and Shell Shock, whilst St Agro only defeated Scraptosaur and Ceros.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  00:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

16th seed

 * I've locked in the top 15. However, I believe that Supernova should outrank The Grim Reaper. My logic is that Supernova came runner-up in the World Championship, winning three battles convincingly, whilst The Grim Reaper won three on judges decisions.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  00:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

RA2's thoughts
Here are my thoughts on the 17th-32nd seeds. For the sake of simplicity, this list assumes that robots who didn't show up for Series 7 will not show up for Series 8 either:

17. Bigger Brother 18. Terrorhurtz 19. Spawn Again 20. Pussycat 21. S.M.I.D.S.Y 22. Tsunami 22. Panic Attack 23. 13 Black 24. Iron Awe 25. Kat 3 26. Tiberius 3 27. Supernova 28. Robochicken 29. Steel Avenger 30. Tetanus Booster 32. Crushtacean

'''R A 2 ; [http://www.youtube.com/user/ResettisReplicas aka Resetti's Replicas. ] ( My Talk )''' 15:40, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't say I have a problem with that...it takes practically everything the robot has achieved into account. CBFan 20:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with your top 16, but I would make a few changes to the rest of the seedings you suggested. I think Panic Attack and Kat 3 deserve to be a lot higher than you placed them and I believe that Bigger Brother has the edge on Terrorhurtz. You've almost completely ignored heat finalists that were new to Series 7 and gone with robots that competed in earlier series, but I think there are cases for robots like Lightning and Ripper to make the list. I suppose it all depends on how much emphasis we're putting on success in Series 7 and how much we're putting on a robot's appearance in the earlier series. I think it's going to be very difficult to get everybody to agree on this. Christophee (talk) 23:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I tried to base my seedings on the format that they used in Series 7, I felt that was the most appropriate way to go about it. In Series 7, it looked to me like overall experience carried a lot of weight when it came to awarding seedings.  Several heat finalists like Shredder, Barber-Ous, Disc-O-Inferno, Raging Reality, Vader, and Supernova missed out on it, which I took into consideration when drawing up the list.  Going by the series 7 format, I'd surmise that overall experience is the key factor, because Behemoth, S.M.I.D.S.Y, Thermidor, and Ming all got seeded despite poor performances in Series 6.  Also, you'll note that I did seed nine of the sixteen heat finalists, including all four of the ones who lost to the eventual grand finalists.  Supernova and Crushtacean definitely belong; if the World Championships affected TAN's seeding, it's only fair that it should do the same for those two.

In thinking about it, I do agree with your thoughts about Panic Attack and Kat 3; based on the format, they should be pushed up a little so that they outrank the majority of robots who have little more than a 7th Wars Heat Final under their belts. I wanted to seed Ripper and Lightning, believe me I did, but when it came down to it, not all of the heat finalists could get seeded, and so I decided to favour the more experienced of them. Still, if you think that any of the robots I've chosen should be removed to make room for Lightning or Ripper, please let me know. '''R A 2 ; [http://www.youtube.com/user/ResettisReplicas aka Resetti's Replicas. ] ( My Talk )''' 01:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Lets stop and pause. I'm going to lock in the top 15, they look good.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  00:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

TG's thoughts
16. Supernova 17. The Grim Reaper 18. Panic Attack 19. Spawn Again 20. Bigger Brother 21. Pussycat 22. The Steel Avenger 23. Kat 3 24. Robochicken 25. Lightning 26. Iron Awe 2.1 27. Ripper 28. Judge Shred 3 29. Mighty Mouse 30. Tiberius 3 31. Behemoth 32. Crushtacean

I decided to make Tsunami not return for this wars. There are my opinions.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  00:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not going to argue too much with that list, but why is Tsunami not returning? Are there any others you've decided to leave out? Also, I would keep The Grim Reaper ahead of Supernova. Christophee (talk) 00:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I stated my reasoning for Supernova being ahead of The Grim Reaper above, and I decided to make Tsunami not return because I felt that it would be more realistic, as it would cost a fair bit to fly to the UK from Germany, shipping a 100kg robot and so on. I feel it makes more sense. Tsunami and a few of the Dutch robots, like Tartarus, Hard and NEATer Machine won't be in this wars. We'll replace them with robots like Chompalot, Sir Chromalot and some more that didn't qualify.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  01:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw your reasons before I made my comment, but I still think that The Grim Reaper should be above Supernova. I think it's best to have the semi-finalists as the top 16, but you can do what you want. To be honest, I don't see how everyone is going to agree on these seedings any time soon. Christophee (talk) 01:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * We'll go gradually. I think we can lock in Crustacean as number 32, and Panic Attack, Spawn Again, Pussycat and Bigger Brother pretty soon - they'll all be around the same area from everyone's opinion.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  01:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)