Forum:Series 7 Audited Bin Candidates

After all of that to organise the series, we come to probably the best bit for a lot of users, the bin candidates. For those of you unfamiliar with the drill, just select a load of robots that you found boring, dull, etc. and create a list of those you would like to replace them with. The robots with the most votes for each will be switched. Let's be honest, if Stinger doesn't make it, I'm staggered. Datovidny (talk) 15:04, October 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Although I'm not voting in the heats, or at least not until the heat semi finals, should I still put a bin candidates listing or not? RelicRaider (talk) 18:14, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Remember

 * Any robot can be binned, but robots to come in will need to have entered a side competition in Series 7, be listed in the Forum:Qualifiers or Forum:Robots that Failed to Qualify page, or otherwise have reasons for not originally entering Series 7.
 * At the moment, the robots in are that of the line-up on the show, so Dominator 2 isn't in yet, as well as other robots that were withdrawn and replaced. Since Thunderpants and Terrorhurtz weren't replaced, they are currently still in.
 * I won't limit how many you bin, but I'd appreciate it if you have the same "Ins" and "Bins", and if there aren't several dozen to go through.
 * Provide a short explanation for each choice.

Clarifications
For clarifications on certain robots to aid in making our decisions


 * PulverizeR was denied entry to the Seventh Wars because their disc wasn't working. If it ends up making it in, do we want to fudge reality and say they miraculously got it working again? R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 16:35, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I had forgotten about that. It's difficult because PulverizeR is one of the robots I most want to see in this, but there's no point if it's not going to have a working weapon. We saw it wasn't working in the World Championship, so it's clear they would never have fixed it. I have no idea whether to go with reality or what I'd personally like to see. If people decide on reality, I'll remove it from my list. Christophee (talk) 16:43, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * If we were going completely on reality, I would have put Typhoon 2 in the bin list, but for all the battles, we seem to assume that the robots are fighting at their best, so both Typhoon and PulverizeR should have their weapons working when we battle. We would have all assumed that anyway if this hadn't been brought up. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:47, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * As Terrorhurtz was extremely powerful both before and after Series 7, shall we just go with the Extreme 2 version if it doesn't get binned. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:39, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * We won't really have much choice but to do so, but I'm not fond on the idea of having Terrorhurtz in anyway, or Dominator 2, it'll open up a more interesting list of candidates for potential seeds. Datovidny (talk) 18:17, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Bin

 * 1) Araknia - Riptilion still has a chance to get in, but Araknia just didn't seem up to scratch, and would be a definite Round 1 drop-out anyway.
 * 2) Cobra - Similarly, I don't think any user will let its 4-5 strikes off lightly.
 * 3) Brutus Maximus - It may have slightly more to offer, but while we can't see it catch fire or fall to pieces again, the drama and excitement has gone from it.
 * 4) Terrorhurtz - There will be a huge amount of debates over how powerful Terrorhurtz will be, as it was so impressive the year after, winning the 2004 RR. This will also provide the opportunity have more of a mix-up with the seeds, the same reason I don't want Dominator 2 in.
 * 5) Thunderpants - It'll be difficult as we have only its breakdowns to go on.
 * 6) Tartarus - I imagine a lot of foreign bots are going to get in here, this is one I'm not fussed about.
 * 7) B.O.D. - Well.....

In

 * 1) Stinger - I don't think I need an explanation.
 * 2) PulverizeR - My only foreign choice, I was originally going to choose Reaper NP2, but I think this has the chance to cause more upsets.
 * 3) Splinter - An old Semi-Finalist, it should've been there first time around.
 * 4) Merlin - Not as strong as it has been in RR, but it was good.
 * 5) Mortis - Another Semi-Finalist that I imagine will be popular among other users to include. It'll be running on tracks if there's any doubt.
 * 6) Direct Action - A competent spinner, even the Storm 2 team were impressed.
 * 7) Sir Chromalot - A crowd favourite, even if it does prove cannon fodder.

Bin

 * 1) Cobra - Does anybody want this?
 * 2) Mobot - It's hard to judge how effective Mobot could have been.
 * 3) Scarey-Go-Round - The spelling of Scarey-Go-Round bugs me. It could've just been a typo, like "Tomohawk", but we'll never know.
 * 4) Thunderpants - Why bother trying to guess how effective it could have been?
 * 5) Terrorhurtz - A very effective robot that would win lots of battles, which I'd rather not have. As it didn't work in the real Series 7, there's an excuse not to have it, and it allows us to still choose a 15th seed, after Stinger takes one of them.
 * 6) The Executioner - Deserved its place in Series 7, but too unreliable to be fun.
 * 7) U.R.O. - Quite poor.
 * 8) Velocirippa - Mighty Mouse is enough.
 * 9) Xenomorph - Did nothing, nor do I see how it would do anything.

In

 * 1) Chompalot - No question.
 * 2) Direct Action - Underrated, could be a dark horse.
 * 3) ICU - At least one user is under the impression that "if you're in the New Blood, you can be here." If ICU is ineligible, scrap my bin vote for U.R.O.
 * 4) Piranha - One of my New Blood favourites.
 * 5) Pressure - I'm a big fan of Pressure. The Series 7 version should be easy enough to judge, as it still has a lifter.
 * 6) Scrap Dragon - We've seen Scrap Dragon in battle now, so let's give it a shot!
 * 7) Slicer - PulverizeR couldn't get their weapon working at the qualifiers, but there's no excuse for Slicer.
 * 8) Splinter - What on earth happened here?
 * 9) Stinger - No comment.

There aren't really many robots I wanted to add in, and I've intentionally chosen to keep some of the lesser robots in Series 7 such as T-Wrecks (especially Sawpoint II, I think that had more potential than it gets credited for), to see how they will perform. I almost binned Contrictor due to its plain design and qualifier loss, but I realised it could be fun to work with. It's a shame we have no image of Deep Impact, because Impact is one of my favourite robots to work with in my Ragnabot tournaments. Toast Ultimatum  15:39, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Surprised you didn't give Ansgar 3 a vote. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 15:44, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Although it probably did try to enter Series 7, I'm too reluctant to include something with no evidence that it tried to qualify. I had already gone far enough by choosing ICU. Toast  Ultimatum  15:46, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Bin

 * 1) Colossus - Boring.
 * 2) Cobra - Well duh!
 * 3) Brutus Maximus - Mesh problems in the qualifiers.
 * 4) Herbinator - I just never liked it.
 * 5) Thunderpants - Didn't see it.
 * 6) Infernal Contraption - Really didn't like it.
 * 7) B.O.D. - B.A.D.
 * 8) Araknia - Was one of those sacrificial bots that seemed to go unnoticed.
 * 9) Sawpoint 2 - Oof!
 * 10) Mobot - Cannon Fodder is not good in these tournaments.
 * 11) Tartarus - The owner didn't even turn up.
 * 12) Spin Doctor - How the smeg did this car crash of a robot escape everyone's mind. Thanks Drop Zone.

In

 * 1) Stinger - Yep.
 * 2) PulverizeR - Should have been allowed straight in.
 * 3) Mortis - Very kind to all the foreigners and a good robot.
 * 4) Mr Nasty - The New Blood tournament prize was entry to Series 7, so it is justified.
 * 5) Pressure - Good robot.
 * 6) Chompalot - Need I say more.
 * 7) Piranha - Just because.
 * 8) Ansgar 3 - Should have entered the main competition.
 * 9) Snake Bite (Switzerland) - Was competent.
 * 10) Slicer - Of course, forgot about them.
 * 11) Direct Action - Let them have a go.
 * 12) Dominator 2 - Datovidny seems to still be allowing us to vote for Dominator. If Terrorhurtz goes, can we at least have Dominator so there is a good axe. Pleeeeeaaaaaaaaase! J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:42, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Not in either category

 * Sir Chromalot - It sounds like the new Chromalot was trashed in the qualifiers, so would be unable to compete.
 * Splinter - Robots didn't change teams in the UK show, so I wouldn't like to see a well known bot in the hands of someone else.
 * Terrorhurtz - Series 7 needs a good axe. As we can't have Dominator 2 or Anarchy, lets keep Terrorhurtz. Could I possibly have a vote of -1 (Minus One) for Terrorhurtz in the bin candidates, as I really want to see it compete?
 * T-Wrecks - As we have scrapped the rules, removing it would be pointless, even if it was a disaster.
 * Merlin - I have only chosen robots I have seen battle on Robot Wars, just to make it easier to judge. Even if someone finds a video of it after Robot Wars, I still won't back it.


 * I agree with you about Sir Chromalot. Series 7 was weak for axes, but there's still potential for Kat 3, NEATer Machine and Edge Hog to reach a heat final and beyond. Maybe even ICU, not to mention the fact that Splinter and Pressure will also have axes. I just don't want Terrorhurtz, as it'll cruise straight to the Grand Final unless it draws another Grand Finalist first, and it was unable to take part anyway. Toast  Ultimatum  15:51, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Kat 3 was a rubbish axe and Edge Hog wasn't much better. Remember my constant crusade against axes. Terrorhurtz can be beaten by quite a few robots out there. If Terrorhurtz does get binned, move all my seeds up one, keep Storm 2 at 16 and give the 15th seed to Hydra. I strongly support Terrorhurtz to compete in this series. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 15:56, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this "Not in either category", is this robots that you just don't want to be binned or brought in? Datovidny (talk) 18:17, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Seedings
(Top 7 are from the order published in the Robot Wars Magazine)
 * 1) Tornado
 * 2) Firestorm 5
 * 3) Terrorhurtz
 * 4) Dominator 2
 * 5) Dantomkia
 * 6) Bigger Brother
 * 7) Spawn Again
 * 8) 13 Black
 * 9) Panic Attack
 * 10) Stinger
 * 11) X-Terminator
 * 12) Disc-O-Inferno
 * 13) Pussycat
 * 14) Bulldog Breed
 * 15) Thermidor 2
 * 16) Storm 2


 * Seedings may have to go elsewhere. If Datovidny approves, I'll post my list of seeds. Toast  Ultimatum  15:51, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * The top 8 (or 7 or 6, depending on Dominator and Terrorhurtz) are the official results in the RWM, so these should stay in this order. J  im laa  d4   3 (talk) 16:45, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Seeds will go up on a separate page when the Bin Candidates have been decided and I move on, so wait before you post. Bringing in certain robots, such as Semi-Finalists like Mortis, Splinter and Stinger, may alter the course of seeds. Datovidny (talk) 18:17, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Bin

 * 1) Terrorhurtz - I'd rather not have the robots which had to withdraw.
 * 2) Thunderpants - As David said, all we've seen of it is the breakdown.
 * 3) Araknia - Never showed anything to suggest it could compete.
 * 4) Tartarus - One of the worst international robots. There are so many better ones which could replace it.
 * 5) T-Wrecks - Not a good robot by Series 7 standards. I don't see it getting anywhere in the series.
 * 6) Black and Blue - Notable for being a clusterbot, but it never looked like it could do anything to me.
 * 7) Cobra - Useless.

In

 * 1) Stinger - I'll jump on the bandwagon for this one. Very accomplished veteran.
 * 2) Splinter - Another old robot I'm sure many of us would like to see.
 * 3) PulverizeR - We have to include the Dutch champion surely.
 * 4) Slicer - See above.
 * 5) Chompalot - Looked good in Extreme 2, and I'd like to see it in this series.
 * 6) Pressure - One of the better New Blood competitors.
 * 7) Merlin - I'm not sure how good the Series 7 version was, but it has been very successful since, so why not give it a chance?

I was tempted to choose TX-108, but I wasn't sure whether there is any footage of it in action, so I decided against it in the end.

Bin

 * 1) Thunderpants - it's unfortunate that they didn't discover the problem until the last minute, but they really should have called in a substitute
 * 2) Araknia - Team Terror Dactyls' other robot was better, hence it is in my "in" pile.
 * 3) T-Wrecks - They forewent an active weapon for a steel core, that's the opposite of what the producers were telling people to do if they wanted to increase their chances of qualifying.
 * 4) Cobra - Boring and a terrible fighter.
 * 5) Tartarus - While they deserved to qualify for their imaginative design, fodder doesn't make for good fantasy tournaments.
 * 6) Brutus Maximus - Same again.
 * 7) Hard - I would assume they wanted to limit the number of non-UK robots. Since I've pegged quite a few to go in, I'm binning my least favourite

In

 * 1) Slicer - Was at the qualifiers, was truly ahead of its time in Dutch Series 1.
 * 2) Splinter - A better choice than the aboves
 * 3) Stinger - It's a farce that they included Stinger in the inactive weapons pile; even if that weapon isn't technically active, it performs just like one.
 * 4) Chompalot - In its last appearance it won a tournament, how did it not qualify?
 * 5) Ansgar 3 - looked good enough to tussle with the gen. pop.
 * 6) Mechaniac - Nothing special, but had a decent weapon.
 * 7) Reptilion - As promised, here it is.

Bin

 * T-Wrecks - to be frank, I don't see any potential in it.
 * Cobra - four or five attacks limit is something robots in the early series had, not Series 7 robot
 * Colossus - was barely impressive
 * Metalis - Team Death robot, what more can I say?
 * Araknia - cardboard armour and a weak weapon
 * Brutus Maximus - it was armoured in wood and died easily

Bin

 * 1) Aggrobot - This version of Aggrobot was poorly designed, and I want to get some new competitors in
 * 2) Araknia - Armoured in Carbon Fibre, replace with the team's other, metal-clad robot
 * 3) B.O.D. - In another thread I called this the worst designed robot ever, as it is extremely vulnerable to every kind of weapon. I stand by that remark.
 * 4) Brutus Maximus - Why bring back a wooden robot that failed in the last wars?
 * 5) Colossus - Nt improved since its failure the previous year
 * 6) Cobra - As has been said a million times before, you can't win with a stabber that only gets five stabs per fight.
 * 7) Demoltion Man - We have loads of spinning disks, and this robot didn't even work
 * 8) Gravity - I don't want this Audited Series 7 to be as OOTA heavy as the real one was
 * 9) Major Tom - I saw no potency in this new model, and I want to bring in more newcomers
 * 10) Mayhem - We have lots of spinning disks, this machine looks like a lightweight
 * 11) Metalis - Team Death produce another abysmally designed machine
 * 12) Mighty Mouse - Only won battles by running away from opponenets until they broke down, not designed for fighting
 * 13) Ming DieNastey - We are only allowing one machine from each team, Ming Dienasty was worse than Zorro
 * 14) R.O.C.S - A robot with no armour isn't going to last long
 * 15) Spin Doctor - Not improved after two previous defeats
 * 16) Tarturs - Useless as a fighter, comedy robots don't work in a fantasy toournament like this.
 * 17) Terrorhurtz - They couldn't get theri robot to work, so why deny a legitimate competitor time on TV to fake some "drama"?
 * 18) The Stag - Not improved after defeat
 * 19) Tsunami - See Gravity
 * 20) T Wrecks - Automatically excluded for not having an active weapon
 * 21) Vader - One machine per teamIG88 was stronger than Vader
 * 22) Velocirippa - Useless in all appearances, not imporved in any way

In

 * 1) Ansgar 3 - Pwerful walker with effective weapon
 * 2) Caesar - Strong axe
 * 3) Cayenne - Unusual weapon, good pushing power
 * 4) Chompalot - Winner of a tournament, deserving of a seed
 * 5) Cruncher - looks to be a good rambot even inf the pincers aren't effective
 * 6) Direct Action - Appealing design and good spinning disk
 * 7) G-Man - Good flipper
 * 8) Hannibal - Good flipper
 * 9) Mekaniac - Good flipper, first robot from Austria
 * 10) Mortis - Veteran of previous wars, improved
 * 11) Piranha - Showed promise in New Blood
 * 12) Pressure - Also showed promise in New Blood
 * 13) Riptillion - Only team from New Zealand, unlike Araknia has metal armour
 * 14) Sabre Tooth - Improved after defeat, built better robot
 * 15) Scrap Dragon - Appealing design, different weaponry
 * 16) Sir Chromalot - Consistent entertainers, new and improved robot
 * 17) Snake Bite - Good crusher, only robot from Switzerland, bring in more crushers
 * 18) Splinter - Good ramming power and axe
 * 19) Stinger - Former Grand finalist, weapon could be classed as active
 * 20) Thorak - Good flipper
 * 21) TX-108 - experienced team, bring in more crushers

I also Bondi Titch could be included, as it was a stock robot, meaning the crew would probably still have it, as it wasn't damaged beyond repair in its only fight