Robot Wars Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 8

Subscript on CO2
I was just wondering what the rest of you thought about the current inconsistencies with the term CO2. What do you guys think is better, CO2 without the 2 subscripted, or CO2 with the subscript. Thoughts?  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  15:55, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Most certainly CO2. That is the proper way to represent a compound. Matt (Talk) 16:04, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it looks better with the subscript, but it's not a big deal if people forget to use it. I correct it whenever I see it, but it's not a major concern for me that it's not consistent on every page. Christophee (talk) 13:30, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sometime next week or something I'll go and do them if I have the time.  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  22:14, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Scrath that, I just did it. I think I got them all.  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  22:41, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Deletion request
Could someone please delete File:Pussycat MM combat.JPG‎ as my web filter has blocked the page. Thanks.  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  13:53, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Chatbox
Datovidny suggested that the wiki get a chatbox, like the one on Brickipedia. I liked this idea and have come up with this.

  [ Copy this | Start New | Full Size ] For most of us, that would stare at that with a look of uncomprehension and terror, this is the code for a chatbox, made off chatango, a website designed for this. Other wikis have chatboxes built from this company, and have their chatboxes embedded in every page, below the search bar. If we are going to have this chatbox, does anyone have any idea how to code this? Presumably it's an admin-only coding job. Matt (Talk) 18:14, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I really am not good on this sort of stuff. Maybe it might be a good idea to contact a member of the Wikia Staff about it to see what they suggest. Christophee (talk) 16:45, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've found its even simpler than this. If an admin were to go to Special:WikiaLabs and enable the chat feature, we could have a chatbox in a jiffy. Could someone sort this? Matt (Talk) 18:10, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure who actually did it, but the feature has now been enabled. Some of the other features on there look pretty interesting too. Maybe we could have a discussion about which ones may be beneficial to the wiki. Christophee (talk) 15:46, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, Helloher did it earlier. Join us on that chat Christophee, and we'll have a talk :) Matt (Talk) 15:53, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Where is the chat feature?  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  18:51, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just below the search bar on the right hand side. Alternatively, click here. Matt (Talk) 18:57, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Arenas of Destruction/Extreme Destruction Arenas
I've been planning to do pages on the areans in Arenas of Destruction and Extreme Destruction ever since I made most of the AoD competitor pages, but never got round to doing it. I was planning on making them as stand-alone articles but when Matt did the arena from Metal Mayhem and as he'll do for the arenas in Advanced Destruction, he made them as a subpage for the game that they are in. I personally think that it would be easier for AoD and ED to have them as stand-alone articles because half of the arenas appear in both, so we will end up with two articles for each of them which are very similar. The Samster 14:38, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * As said, I am planning to do Arena pages as subpages of the game they appear in. I disagree that they should be standalone pages, because they serve no purpose anywhere else but as part of that game. I also think that most arenas changed enough from Arenas of Destruction to Extreme Destruction to warrent their own articles. Matt (Talk) 14:55, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really, Matt. Most of the changes are small and thus only need mentioning instead of having four pairs of near-identical articles. The Samster 15:44, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Japanese Rooftop can be kept to 1 article, please can someone remind me of the other shared arenas?  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  17:14, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sao Paulo Scrapyard and Siberian Military Base and obviously, the main arena (although that one should have separate articles). The reason I say they all should be 1 article is just to keep it all the same way (people may be confused if some are subpages and other stand-alones). Another thing; are the Steelworks from Advanced Destruction and the Steelworks from Arenas of Destruction similar enough to share an article? I have developed an arenas template and before I publish it, I need to know whether we are using my article naming covention or Matt's. The Samster 21:16, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * The steelworks in Advanced and the Steelworks in Arenas of Destruction are NOTHING alike. In my opinion, all of the arenas change enough to warrant their own articles. I also think that everything should be kept as subpages, or none should be kept as subpages, otherwise it just looks messy Matt (Talk) 09:31, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * They don't really though. On the rooftop the skylight moves and the vents are more powerful. On the Scrapyard, there is a button to move the crane and the car door moves. On the Military Base, the silo door is grey and the mines are less powerful (I think). I don't think any of them are major enough to warrant an entirely new article. But I agree, they should either all be subpages or all stand-alones (with the exception of the Arenas, which should be subpages of the Robot Wars Arena page). The Samster 16:23, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Another thing, many real life robots (which takes priority over fictional arenas) change hugely, but only a few of them change enough to get a separate article, so why should we do it with these? I can understand the Steelworks in Advanced Destruction and the Steelworks in Arenas of Destruction having separate articles if it doesn't appear that the producers were trying to replicate it, but for the arenas that are in both AoD and ED, they clearly were so they should be given one article. The Samster 18:45, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

This is quite a tricky issue. For the most part, I agree that these articles serve no purpose outside of the game they appear in, so the ones that have already been created are set up fine. But I also agree that the changes from game to game for certain arenas is probably not major enough to warrant separate pages. I suppose if we want consistency across the board we should do it the way Matt suggests, but maybe somebody could come up with a compromise. Christophee (talk) 14:59, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or we could just rename the existing pages into stand-alones. The Samster 15:05, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that helps anyone, for the reasons Christophee just stated. Is there any way to manipulate wiki markup to make the pages subpages of 2 pages? Matt (Talk) 15:07, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably not. Maybe you could have redirects? The Samster 15:38, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it would make sense, something like: Robot Wars: Arenas of Destruction/Japanese Rooftop to redirect to Japanese Rooftop Matt (Talk) 15:56, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but that would still mean counting Japanese Rooftop as stand-alone, thus making some stand-alones and others subpages.The Samster 16:25, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that's a compromise we have to make. Matt (Talk) 16:59, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really. No-one had a problem with the competitor robots, so why should there be a problem with the arenas? The Samster 15:00, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Have I got the green light on this? The Samster 11:32, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Another thing, for the AoD and ED arenas, are we going to name them after the city that they are in or the country (i.e. Brazillian Scrapyard or Sao Paulo Scrapyard)The Samster 12:24, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * As long as the subpages that aren't used redirect to the standalones, I'm happy to give the go-ahead. Regarding the names, ensure we use the name given in the game (e.g. Sao Paulo Rooftop (I think anyway) rather than Brazillian Scrapyard).  Helloher    (Death is not my phone number)  13:34, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure they use the city names in the game, so that is what you should use for the articles. Christophee (talk) 13:55, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Episode articles
I'm planning to go through all the episode articles and change all the titles in the introductions to make them consistent. The format will be, for example, Heat A of Robot Wars: The First Wars, so that the article starts with a proper flowing sentence.

Anyway, the reason I mention this here is I'm wondering whether there is anything else people might want me to add/change while I'm going through them all. I know that TG suggested a while back that we list the house robots to take part in each battle, but that was never done, so maybe we might want to finally do that. There's also the episode infobox which has been suggested a few times and never done. Any suggestions, just leave them here. Christophee (talk) 13:12, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * For me, just the infobox, a mock up of which can be seen over at my sandbox- User:Obi-Have/Sandbox. If possible Christophee, could you hold off until the end of next week, as my break starts then and I could help out with this. Matt (Talk) 15:21, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll give you the go-ahead to create the episode infobox, unless there is anything you want to discuss before publishing it. Then we can start going through the episodes when you're ready to go. Christophee (talk) 14:03, October 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I staunchly oppose that new title. The reason I changed it to how it is now was because each episode became a subpage of the main article on the War itself. Your new method does not achieve this.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  03:48, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * TG, I don't think he means renaming the pages, just changing the first sentence. For example, at the moment, The First Wars/Heat A reads:

"The First Wars - Heat A was one of six heats which determined the Grand Finalists of Robot Wars: The First Wars."

- The First Wars/Heat A

I think Christophee proposes changing that to: "Heat A of Robot Wars: The First Wars was one of six heats which determined the Grand Finalists of Robot Wars: The First Wars."

- Proposed change to The First Wars/Heat A

Matt (Talk) 06:43, October 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh ok, thats fine then.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  07:15, October 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Matt is right. I apologise if my intention wasn't very clear. Christophee (talk) 18:07, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to make a start on this now. I'll just do the First Wars heats for now to show how I want the first sentence to read, then if anyone wants to help we can do the rest in the next few days. Christophee (talk) 13:56, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll create the episode template now, and then implement them as a similar beta test. Matt (Talk) 15:58, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good work with the template, but I still think the episode date and channel should be stated in the episode intro rather than just the infobox. We still list the presenters etc. on series articles even though they appear in the infobox, and I think it's good to have it written there. Also, I think we need to decide which image should be used for the infobox as I don't think the general Robot Wars logo is really appropriate. Christophee (talk) 16:19, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll discuss it tomorrow, as I'd like to try this out properly on a computer that actually works :( For the moment I've reverted the edits. Matt (Talk) 16:21, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added the infoboxes, but I haven't yet removed any information. I personally advocate removing the heat winner picture and the sentence with the date and channel as both of those are already in the infobox. Thoughts and opinions? Matt (Talk) 13:28, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * As I've said, I like having the date and channel in the intro, but I'm willing to go with the majority (assuming anyone else contributes to the discussion). We could add the heat winner picture and caption to the infobox, although maybe that should be an image more related to the episode itself. Either way, I don't really like using the main logo for every single episode page. We could use the series-specific logos that CrashBash uploaded instead, and the special episode-specific logos for episodes that have them. Christophee (talk) 13:39, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I certainly agree on having the logos where they are special. If anyone has any ideas for the pictures for the generic episodes, I'd love to hear them. Matt (Talk) 13:48, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * For the moment, I am changing the image to the series specific logo, and I'm not going to remove the heat winner picture nor the sentence including date and broadcast. Whilst we await further suggestions, we'll leave it at that and consider the project a work in progress. Matt (Talk) 14:15, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you happy continuing with the infoboxes while I do the opening sentences, or do you want to combine the two into one job and split the episodes between us? Christophee (talk) 18:56, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm fine doing what we're doing. I'll also do the new competitor tables, unless of course Snowdog wants to contribute to this project. Sorry to be a nuscience Christophee but is my admin run going to be processed soon? I was assuming it would have been finished by now. Matt (Talk) 19:18, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was wondering that myself actually. You'll have to ask TG as he is the only bureaucrat, at least until the election is sorted out. Christophee (talk) 19:21, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that you have not given infoboxes to the international championships from Series 3. Are you not planning to give them to special episodes? What about Extreme episodes? I assumed they would all get an infobox. Christophee (talk) 21:35, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure whether to give special episodes boxes, but I think that I will, for the moment at least. Matt (Talk) 18:08, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Unique weapons
An IP suggested inserting Cronos into the list, because it had a flipper and a crusher. Both were mounted on the same arm, so personally I think it should belong there. However, I am not going to make any changes until we reach a consensus, because it might prove controversial (familiar to me, at least). I am posting this here because I am more likely to receive a discussion here than on the list's talk page, because this page is monitored by many users, I think a consensus may be reached here. And yes, I am speaking on behalf of the wiki. Hopefully, something will come out of this.-- STORM  II   16:36, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * From the Unique weapons page: A unique weapon is designated by the fact that it does not fit one exclusive category of weapon. This means that weapons with two functions fit into this category, and there are a few examples of that on the page, so in theory Cronos would belong there. I don't really understand how the weapon works as a flipper though, as to me it just looks like a regular crusher. Christophee (talk) 16:48, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have a question, I have an answer. When the crusher descends, the rear wedge lifts up. In theory it can lift a double-decker bus, which I find highly amusing, since nothing that heavy was actually placed in the arena.-- STORM  II   17:10, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I have no idea which way I would go on this. I have no objection to Cronos being moved to the unique weapons page, but other people might, so wait to see whether anyone else comments before making any changes. Christophee (talk) 13:25, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I dont see why Cronos shouldnt be unique, it was the only crusher to utilise that leverage into a secondary weapon. Tiberius and Razer both reduced the leverage to a tiny spike so Cronos should get acknowledgement.  Toon Ganondorf    (t    c)  20:50, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Judges
As neither Helloher and Llamaman are exactly active on the arena, I have made the decision to open up the floor to people who would like to replace them. The only critereon is that the applicant is an active and eligable arena contributer. There aren't many I'll grant so I'm specifically calling out CrashBash, MiddleEye, The Samster and Christophee here. Can any willing applicants drop me a line. Matt (Talk) 14:20, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll fill in if there are no other applicants, but please only consider me if nobody else want the job. Christophee (talk) 14:39, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't see why not. If you'd like my assistance, I'll happily assist. CrashBash 16:35, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, what the hell. I'll give it a go.  /Middle_Eye\  (talk)    17:40, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well then, that's sorted nice and quickly, CrashBash and MiddleEye are the new arena judges. Feel free to place this special judge userbox on your userpage. Matt (Talk) 20:28, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
I created a talkback template here. Is there anything that we could add?-- STORM  II   19:54, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I'm being an idiot, I don't understand what it's for. Could you please explain? Matt (Talk) 21:20, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll post the know-how on the template page, then I'll summarise.-- STORM  II   21:33, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's up on the template, except I'm running some fantasy thing at the moment, so I've given you the link, so use it. NOTE: Don't use the "substitution", we ain't that advanced :P. BTW, Obi-Have, you're not an idiot, hope it was nice in Spain.-- STORM  II   21:40, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, except for the fact that if user X can be bothered to post the template of Y's talkpage, he can just post the message. Matt (Talk) 22:00, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Good News Everyone...
I feel very stupid. After Mark Joerger deleted my formal apology from his talk page, I thought that would mean that he had not accepted my apology; however upon checking my own talk page (moron that I am, I didn't check it), I realise the following message has been on my page since early September:

"Thank you VERY MUCH! I will accept this as an apology from the Robot Wars Wikia community. If the page remains down and I am not inundated by hate mail, I will reciprocate and remove my blocks from Wikia links. This has gone on too long."

- Mark Joerger

A dark chapter of the wikia closes. Matt (Talk) 10:50, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's the link btw. Matt (Talk) 10:56, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * That is very good news indeed. Congrats on ending the feud. Christophee (talk) 18:53, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * It also proves that anything Obi-Have touches turns to gold :)-- STORM  II   17:53, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you Christophee, and thank you also Storm. I believe it was you (TheMasterOfMayhem) that mediated in my (stupid) absence, so I don't feel I can claim full responsibility. Matt (Talk) 18:47, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * What happened with Joerger??--92.22.211.136 18:54, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * There was a long running feud over a misunderstanding with the Combat Robot Hall of Fame page. When we deleted the page, we settled our differences. Matt (Talk) 19:02, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, i wondered where that page had gone, thanks for clearing things up, Matt--Shayfan 19:14, December 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, that was me, but I since lost interest in Wikipedia. I'll probably be back at some stage though.-- STORM  II   21:49, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

...followed by bad news
I'm afraid things have taken a turn for the worse. BBCRobotwarsUK has announced that he might have to take down the first video of Series 5. God forbid that anymore get taken down, but if you want to see the video before it possibly goes then I ask you to download the video at your nearest convenience. I only found this recently and thought that I'd alert the community to this impending disaster.

Rust in Pieces :P -- STORM  II   23:22, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Meeting
In order to decide as a community how to best move forward on the wiki, I intend to schedule a meeting for the Robot Wars chat during January. Details are very tentative at the moment, but I would much appreciate people to let me know when they are available. Everyone is welcome, but it is important that as many admins as is possible attend. Could all users please post here what dates and what times (GMT if possible) they are available and we'll try to suit as many as possible. Also please add to the agenda subsection to add issues to discuss. Thank you. Matt (Talk) 17:53, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Agenda

 * Revisions to the arena policy


 * Revisions to the badge awarding process


 * Revisions to the fantasy series process


 * Where next for the wiki.


 * Updating the Job List
 * If we can hold this sooner than Januray, that would be better for me.  6am to noon GMT is when I'm generally sleeping, but pretty much anything else is good. R A 2 ; aka Resetti's Replicas.  ( My Talk ) 19:13, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * The issues for me is when before January? Sadly I'm pretty much packed until new year. We'll see what others have to say. Matt (Talk) 19:17, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * My sleeping patterns are very varied, but as a rule of thumb 00:00-09:00 GMT is a good estimate as to when I sleep, so anything other than those hours should be fine. I have a fairly hectic late December, even though I'm on my Christmas break, so January should be fine. Try not to have the meeting after the 9th as it's back to norm for me then until mid-February, but other than that then I should be freely available.-- STORM  II   19:22, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, how would people think about a provisional date of Sun 8th Jan, starting at maybe 3pm? Matt (Talk) 19:51, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * That might be difficult for me, as I volunteer down at my local zoo on that day. But don't worry if I can't make it...I almost certainly wouldn't be able to contribute much. CrashBash(talk) 20:04, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't guarantee that I'll join at that time, but I'll be able to come regardless that day-- STORM  II   20:08, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I work from 8-5 on a Sunday so I'd be unavailable, however I'm not sure how important my input would be so I'm happy just to catch up when I get in. Snowdog140 22:27, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm available most of the time so that date and time should be fine for me. Christophee (talk) 01:07, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Attendances
Could all users please sign under the appropriate subsection, I'd like to get a rough idea of numbers.

Attending

 * 1) Matt (Talk) 11:33, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) MadLooney6 11:47, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 3)  STORM  II   11:57, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Unable to Attend

 * 1) If we're having it on that Sunday I'll be unavailable due to work commitments. Snowdog140 12:49, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Have a very happy 2012.-- STORM  II   00:16, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I don't see why this should be deleted, happy 2012 everyone :) Matt (Talk) 00:41, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * What a... funny way to start the year ^ :P -- STORM  II   00:43, January 1, 2012 (UTC)