Votes for Typhoon 2
- This is a very curious 50/50 matchup, albeit somewhat of a "what did you expect when you bolded these robots, of course they'd make the final" scenario. The reason this is tough is because neither robot can really harm the other machine barring any very precise shots. Typhoon 2 will not cause damage of any significance to the titanium armour which tanked Carbide like a champ, but Big Nipper will also probably lose possession of the slippery Typhoon 2 while trying to overturn it. There is the mild possibility of Big Nipper stabbing Typhoon 2 to death like Kan-Opener did, but I can't see them running in with their claws anywhere other than ground level. The arena could be Typhoon 2's downfall. Between the pit, rogue House Robots, the instant-knockout floor flipper and even the spikes, Typhoon 2 has much less room to run away, so a fully aggressive Big Nipper should be able to lure it into an area where Typhoon 2 could fall, or at least flip it beside the wall. What makes me cautious is the fact that Big Nipper was unbelievably tentative in its fights with Eruption, Dantomkia and TR2 so I wouldn't put it past Team Titanium to make no efforts in trying to win this, and the few sparks generated by Typhoon 2 upon impact might earn it one or two damage points alongside a clear win on aggression and control. It's a sad reason to turn against Big Nipper, but they just had so many occasions where they blatantly didn't attack when faced with a powerful foe, and Typhoon 2 certainly qualifies. One final mild possibility - could Typhoon 2 hit Big Nipper's ground-level wheels? I'll look forward to the outcome of this one! TOAST 10:51, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- This is exactly what you want for a Grand Final. A battle between two completely different robots that have never fought, therefore allowing for debate, especially as there are multiple valid reasons for both to win. I just can't see Big Nipper's claws staying unbent long enough to get Typhoon lifted up. The claws have to be on the floor, and to get close, they'll get hit by the spinner and bounce away, likely bending them. With the claws rendered useless, Big Nipper will be reduced to trying to push, which is quite tricky on a full-body spinner. I just don't quite see Big Nipper with the claws as the right robot to stop Typhoon 2. With the disc however... Jimlaad43(talk) 11:54, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- This really is a cracking final match up. Really, either robot could win this theoretically. But the most plausible outcome as I see it: Typhoon 2 will be able to deflect Big Nipper sufficiently, no matter how low it goes. And the spinner will likely prevent it from getting meaningfully flipped. And I can't see Big Nipper being able to grab it properly either as a result. The claws may get slightly bent up as a result. It'll likely go all the way to the judges, but Typhoon has it I reckon. A great final battle, but that is how I see it playing out. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:09, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
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Votes for Big Nipper
- An interesting final battle, which would not have occurred if I was the sole voter; in fact, both would be out in the second round! Anyhow, like with many Typhoon 2 vs flipper/lifter battles, the flipper can only win if it closes the gap in time, disrupts Typhoon 2's rhythm before overturning it for the victory. Big Nipper has the durability on its side, considering that it managed to keep working in spite of a Matilda hit causing it to catch. This, combined with Big Nipper's decent control, should see it charge in, absorb the first blow before using its lifter to control Typhoon 2's movement, eventually overturning it. In the classic arena, this may take some time; however, in the reboot arena, there is less space for Typhoon 2 to spend time spinning up, so Big Nipper should generally find achieving a knockout lift easier. 94.119.96.0 10:13, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- I'm curious will who ever nominated/bolded the robot get a special badge, like in a Ragnabots sweepstake for example, I'm just curious considering both machines were bolded robot (wink, wink) Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:33, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- Now this is a GRAND FINAL! Both robots will be slugging it out, both fast and aggressive and both with weapons that can't really damage each other. This is perhaps one of the greatest match ups we've ever had and entirely worthy. Really, both should be winners BUT obviously only one can win and that winner is in my eyes the one robot I had bolded, Big Nipper. Not only has it impressed during the live events but also it has survived against much worst and deadlier spinners (Carbide, Sabretooth, Matilda and Aftershock) so yeah Typhoon's weapon is completely useless in this match, but Big Nipper's lifter/claw is not. The claw can easily slip under Typhoon as it did against Grim Reaper, Apollo and even Eruption (see 10 way) who have low or even lower ground clearances. Could Big Nipper lift Typhoon up and over? It's possible but unlikely to happen due to the shape/weapon. That said, this isn't Series 7, damage isn't the bigger factor and there's certainly no corruption going on this time, it's the modern arena with modern rules. Therefore the more lifts and aggressive slams will inevitably go in Big Nipper favour. Think Tauron vs Androne 4000 for example, in the classic era it probably would go in Tauron's favour, but now it's looked at more closely and is judged by action and precision, which Big Nipper will do.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:11, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- Well, if Big Nipper can keep going after being struck by the likes of Aftershock, it can keep going against Typhoon, who I couldn't help but notice wasn't always that good at keeping up to speed if put under pressure, as seen against Storm 2. CrashBash (talk) 18:01, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- As aforementioned, Typhoon 2 has less viability for its long, vertical drives in this arena. Big Nipper will narrow down the angles, and if it gets underneath Typhoon 2 even once, then it will complete the lift because its claws have such a higher peak lift than Storm 2's pusher lifter. I honestly think this could be over very quickly. Typhoon 2 still takes a good few seconds to get up to a solid speed. NJGW (talk) 18:21, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- Big Nipper will win as it has the right weapon to attack the base of Typhoon 2 so will proceed to tip Typhoon 2 over. Shame it wasn't Behemoth vs Big Nipper but Series 7 producers made their way onto the wiki and they was gunning for Behemoth. Sam (BAZINGA) 18:43, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, for god sake, Diotoir did NOT cheat. Stop crying about how your precious Behemoth lost fairly. This vote is unfair, please rewrite it entirely. CrashBash (talk) 18:55, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- Now that you've said Behemoth could beat Big Nipper, I have to ask the obvious question. You realise that the condition of Behemoth's inclusion was that it could only use its grabber serup from the Cherub fight, right? TOAST 18:57, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- So you are admitting Behemoth was given the worst possibly weapon serup just to get rid of it? Nice way to give Behemoth a chance to win. That makes this series feel like Series 7, fixed so one bot will fail just to spite it cause it did well in the previous televised series. Sam (BAZINGA) 19:17, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- No, as was clearly explained to you before, Behemoth was given the grabber set-up because people wanted the reboot Behemoth, but realised it was too powerful. Thus the decision to go with the scoop. And that clearly has nothing to do with Diotoir cheating, does it? Your rewritten vote is clearly no better, and you know full well it isn't. CrashBash (talk) 19:45, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- Behemoth was given the gripper setup to give us a chance to have Behemoth in the tournament at all. With the scoop it would have beaten every robot in here and been overpowered. There was no way we'd ever use the grippers anyway in a tournament, so it was nice to give it a run with a different weapon type. Why do you think Big Nipper has been restricted to the claws? Same reason, with the Disc it would have won this tournament even easier than it is now. Now I do agree with you that Behemoth with the grippers was criminally underrated against Diotoir, but these comments and grudges you've brought forwards are completely unnecessary. Everyone disagrees strongly with results at certain times, and it is sometimes brought up later, but this is not the way to go about this. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:50, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- Behemoth shouldn't have been included then it if didn't have the scoop, it was doomed to fail. The Grippers could've actually been good against Chompalot (clamp the claw mechanism and push it down the pit), Corkscrew (clamp the blades, stop it spinning and then feed Corkscrew to the house robots), Scorpion (clamp a wheel and burn the other drive motor on the flame pit), Typhoon 2 (it would've kept Typhoon 2 at bay with the grippers down, allowing Behemoth to push Typhoon 2 into the pit) and Big Nipper (it would've been able to clamp one side and control the fight). Are the gripper that sodding useless now? Sam (BAZINGA) 20:01, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
- Still doesn't mean Diotoir cheated. Still doesn't mean that we're being anti-Behemoth. And still doesn't change the fact that for the last four rounds, the only reason you've voted against Diotoir is because "Behemoth should have won"....which, may I remind you, is against the established rules of the arena forum. CrashBash (talk) 20:09, September 14, 2018 (UTC)
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