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Welcome back to A Fantasy Audited War 3! This heat may be another candidate for this tournament's heat of death. Especially when considering that previous semi-finalists Panic Attack and Gravity have returned for a chance to reach the grand-final. That's not all, as Big Nipper returns after being beaten in the heat final by eventual runners-up Anarchy, Razer looks to build upon its win over Raging Reality, and the debut of a robot with 2 Nuts, meaning it certainly has the b- oh wait, the robot is actually called Nuts 2, sorry! Never mind, it is time to LET THE WARS BEGIN!

Round 1

Panic Attack (5) vs Big Nipper (Claws)

Panic Attack (5)	Big Nipper (Claws)
Votes for Panic Attack (5) I actually think this is quite an enticing fight. Panic Attack looks in trouble on the face of it, but I actually think Big Nipper will have some issues carrying out attacks here. Panic Attack is a long machine, and Big Nipper has a tendency to lean forward when it lifts - making things interesting for Big Nipper in terms of completing a lift. If Big Nipper goes head-to-head, Panic Attack forks will have greater protrusion, and if Big Nipper gets at Panic Attack's side - which is hard enough against Kim Davies - then will Big Nipper A) prise under the skirts on a consistent basis? and B) have a deep enough reach with its claws to lift Panic Attack properly when it gets underneath? I honestly think Panic Attack could take this one. Big Nipper will be busy and trying to find the right angle, but Panic Attack will consistently slip off, and Kim will edge the fight with a handful of topples on a comparatively compact and easier-to-lift-over machine. NJGW (talk) 14:57, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Nah, I can't see Big Nipper getting a meaningful grip on the sloping sides of Panic Attack, so it should be able to carry out some king of pitting manoeuvre. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:54, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Without causing a fuss, can you explain further considering Big Nipper is a slippery robot and the claws could get the front and/or back, not just the side. Just need to explain further.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 18:15, August 26, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Big Nipper A shame, but even with Kim Davies controlling the machine, Panic Attack stands no chance against the modern machine. I am certain that Big Nipper's claws can breach the ground clearance of not only the forks, but also the side skirts, which should not only enable it to lift and control its opponent, but also topple it. It greatly depends on the reliability of Panic Attack's srimech as to whether this battle will go to a judges' decision or not, where Big Nipper will easily win regardless. Come to think of it, am I right to assume that Big Nipper is the modern day Panic Attack? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:39, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Both control bots but Big Nipper not only has a nasty bite but can also get underneath Panic Attack, move about quicker and sustain more damage. The claws will ether cause enough damage or can possibly topple Panic Attack whose self righter has NEVER really worked.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:41, August 26, 2018 (UTC) I agree with Nick that Panic Attack will slip off the lifts of Big Nipper, but I also think that Big Nipper would slip off the lifts of Panic Attack. With neither robot unable to use their weapons effectively, the quicker robot with the lower wedge and higher pushing power takes this comfortably. TOAST 15:17, August 26, 2018 (UTC) What's to stop Big Nipper levering itself off of Panic Attack's cumbersome forks in the way it often does? Big Nipper has more agility and lifting power at its disposal, not to mention the pincers have the, albeit small, potential of damaging the forks. Raz3r(talk) 21:48, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Big Nipper doesn't have any holes large enough for Panic Attack to grip. Big Nipper will find it can lift Panic Attack over, and could very easily topple it. From then on, Big Nipper is on top of the battle. Jimlaad43(talk) 22:38, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Well....this sucks. BizarroKing (talk) 23:20, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
Winner: Big Nipper (6-2)

Nuts 2 (10) vs Razer (4)

Nuts 2 (10)	Razer (4)
Votes for Nuts 2 (10) I love both robots and seeing one go out is a shame but I can't look away from the Attila the Drum vs Onslaught vs Razer battle. In said battle Attila span on the spot and caused significant damage, smashing the armour and the side wheel being torn completely off (see my image uploads for evidence) Attila was only defeated because Onslaught rammed it into Sir Killalot. Razer I'm afraid will suffer similar damage from Nuts who may do more than dent the side and tear the side wheel off...Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:44, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Thing is, with Nuts 2's slow spin-up time, can it inflict that damage before Razer grabs hold of it? I just do not think it can. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 12:42, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Lol, I just spent 5 minutes typing up an essay for Razer to win, only to remember that this was the Series 4 version. Yeah, I don't think Razer will stand up to the peppering for the whole fight. If it did, I'd vote for it, but I think it'll be ground down. NJGW (talk) 15:09, August 26, 2018 (UTC) You've probably deleted it by now, which is a shame because I legit would have liked to have read it. CrashBash (talk) 15:58, August 26, 2018 (UTC) I wouldn't have even voted for Razer to beat Nuts 1 - the last ever robot to earn a combat victory over Razer! Nuts 2's supposed slow spin-up time is irrelevant, Attila the Drum was hardly spinning quickly when they dented Razer's side. But seeing as Space has taken the time to ask another voter how Nuts can reach its top speed before Razer grabs, then my answer is that the minibots exist for that exact purpose. Androne 4000 didn't manage to get to Nuts 2 before the spin-up completed, did it? Razer could not ask for a much worse opponent. TOAST 15:27, August 26, 2018 (UTC) What exactly will Razer be able to do to Nuts here? Nothing meaningful that I see. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:55, August 26, 2018 (UTC) The role of the minibots is key. They probably wouldn't stop Razer at the very centre of the wedge, but they would slot in well in front of the wheels and distract it enough for Nuts 2 to reach its damaging speed. Series 4 Razer clearly wasn't armoured as well as later incarnations and will take a lot of dents, and possibly even sustain damage to the wheels in a similar fashion to Concussion and Carbide. Raz3r(talk) 21:48, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Nuts 2 showed us how Minibots are useful tools, rather than sacrificial wedges. Nuts will be fine by the time Razer approaches, and the claws are going to be ripped off very soon. Jimlaad43(talk) 22:40, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Wow, two former grand finalists in the same heat and BOTH go out in round 1; still, they'll struggle to get near Nuts on this one. BizarroKing (talk) 23:20, August 26, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Razer (4) OK, as much as Random.org can draw some awful battles for us to debate on in the past, I have to thank it for this one. This battle is one I have been looking forward to debating on ever since the draw was made. Now, in theory, Nuts 2 SHOULD win this, since its sit and spin approach will not only damage Razer's light armour, but also may cause internal damage that could force a break down. However, it should be noted that one of the main weaknesses of Nuts 2 is its spin up time, which unlike with most modern spinners, can take a couple of seconds to reach top speed. A couple of seconds is all that Razer needs to attack Nuts 2 head-on without taking too much damage, in a similar approach to how it managed to beat 13 Black. Once Razer has closed in and is now attacking Nuts 2, all it needs to do is grab its opponent. Although Nuts 2 is a slippery opponent, the gap between its metal ring and the wheels is perfect for Razer to grab hold of. In fairness, Razer is unlikely to be able to cause much damage, nor push its opponent around easily like it does with so many other opponents. But by performing this attack as early as possible, Razer has effectively prevented the Series 10 machine from spinning, thus stopping it from scoring any aggression, damage and control points. Although Razer will be forced to let go at some point, because Nuts 2 is actually a very slow robot, it will take no time at all for the crusher to simply grab hold of its opponent again. If Razer keeps doing this, it will achieve an easy victory by a judges' decision. However, that all important attack at the start MUST occur as quickly as possible. If someone can convince me that Razer will be unable to achieve this attack in time, I may switch sides. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:39, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
Winner: Nuts 2 (7-1)

Gravity (7) vs Vert-I-Go

Gravity (7)	Vert-I-Go
Votes for Gravity (7) Vert-I-Go. Now that is an appropriate name when facing (and losing to), Gravity, who I am sure will exploit the ground clearance of its opponent and flip it either out of the arena, or on its back for the victory. And yes, I know vertigo does not mean "fear of heights", but since it is a common misconception, I am happy to let this one slide. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:39, August 26, 2018 (UTC) HA!Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:44, August 26, 2018 (UTC) why couldn't this cute machine have got a cute matchup klaxon NJGW (talk) 15:09, August 26, 2018 (UTC) I'm pleased that Gravity has found itself in a heat of death, as it would comfortably win most heats with little opposition, but here it's likely to fall in Round 2! It just HAD to take out my lovely friend Vert-I-Go first... TOAST 15:29, August 26, 2018 (UTC) At least Vert-I-Go is out before anyone can make any U2 jokes. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:56, August 26, 2018 (UTC) I fear for Gravity for later on, but this one is a walkover. Raz3r(talk) 21:48, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Vert-I-Go to defy gravity due to Gravity. Jimlaad43(talk) 22:43, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Right out of the arena you go Vert-I-Go! BizarroKing (talk) 23:20, August 26, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Vert-I-Go
Winner: Gravity (8-0)

Chip (7) vs Rabid M8

Chip (7)	Rabid M8
Votes for Chip (7) I could see Rabid M8 winning if Chip's belt was exposed to the elements, where a good whack should take out the disc. However, Chip is fairly well protected from such attacks, and I simply cannot trust those wheels surviving many attacks from that flywheel. Jonathan Pearce, you know what to say by now. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:39, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Yeah Rabid M8 does have a chance here but the wheels are too easy of a target to hit.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:45, August 26, 2018 (UTC) I'm pensive about fully getting behind Chip here. Ultimately I can't tell how reliable it really is. Still, logic suggests its spinner should cause the necessary damage to those tyres. NJGW (talk) 15:15, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Maybe it's a good thing that Chip is in one of the strongest heats of the series, because you know I'd back Chip to various heat wins. Here it will easily defeat Rabid M8, although Round 2 is another story... TOAST 15:30, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Spinner should be good enough to get at the exposed tyres and win this one. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:56, August 26, 2018 (UTC) Dee's tyres to be shredded. Jimlaad43(talk) 22:45, August 26, 2018 (UTC) The exposed tires are a major weakpoint for Rabid here. That's all I really have to say about that. BizarroKing (talk) 23:20, August 26, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Rabid M8 Rabid M8 wasn't just controlled well, but it was aggressive too. It probably wouldn't damage Chip all that much, but I'm confident it'll beat it on the other criteria. Chip's spinner is such an unknown quantity, having shown nothing in Series 7 and not too much in Extreme 2 (Edge Hog's half-immobilisation was one I always felt was a bit unlucky considering how little visual damage Chip caused to the bodywork, if any). Could it tear apart the tyres? I'm not so sure, I'd be surprised if they were ripped off in any case. Rabid M8 to win on control and aggression. Raz3r(talk) 21:48, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
Winner: Chip (7-1)

Round 2

Chip vs Nuts 2

Chip	Nuts 2
Votes for Chip Well of course I was going to vote for Chip, who didn't see this coming? I genuinely believe it though, Chip is too low-profile and protected to take significant damage from the flails of Nuts 2, while the wheels of Nuts 2 are completely open to slams from Chip. It's also worth noting that one solid hit to the back end of Nuts 2 caused it to go mad in its threematch with Carbide, and its flails were also quite easily ripped away. I don't make any effort to compare the power of Chip's disc to Carbide's bar, but this does present several vulnerabilities for spinners to target, especially those with fully protected weapon chains. If anything, Nuts 2's minibots are the biggest threat to Chip, which are the main thing causing me to hesitate in this vote, but Nuts 2 still can't win if it doesn't capitalise on the efforts of the minibots, which may get destroyed by stray hits, so I'm going to place my chips in this corner. TOAST 08:07, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Chip won't be hit by the flails, so Nuts is going to spin and get the wheels chopped by Chip's disc. Jimlaad43(talk) 11:10, August 28, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Nuts 2 Now, Chip's design may actually be adept at taking out Nuts 2, with the chain being protected and the disc being powerful enough to cause decent damage to the wheels. However, with credit to Jonathan Pearce, Nuts 2 should win, because he noted that Chip was unreliable in testing. This is not a great attribute for a robot facing Nuts 2, a robot whose sit-and-spin technique will generally provide enough blunt trauma for a knockout. Henceforth, when also considering that Chip was not designed to withstand an opponent like Nuts 2, I feel it will break down eventually before it cause achieve a knockout itself. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 07:54, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Sure, Nut's wheel is coming off Jim...Okay so I can get behind the idea that Chip's disc is protected but one thing to consider is that the flails can also hit wheels and armour, Nuts will be spinning so fast that I really can't see what the disc can do (I mean it never really did any clear damage before) whereas Nuts not only has been known to cause significant damage to even HARDOX. The wheels are slightly protected but a skimming blow will possibly damage the tire cause movement issues.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:41, August 28, 2018 (UTC) If this had been Nuts 1 or Nuts pre-Robot Wars, then sure, I'd vote for Chip, because I cannot see those versions as anything more than a gimmick. But Nuts 2 had some serious spin on it, and here's the thing - Chip is going to be cautious about it, and that could easily be a massive mistake. Since the only really heavy spinner it ever went up against was Carbide, I obviously don't want to consider that as a guide as to how much damage Nuts would actually take. Basically, I see Nuts doing more than Chip. Even if it's just skim-damage. CrashBash (talk) 13:48, August 28, 2018 (UTC) The main problem with this argument is the height of Chip, which is too low to be hit really. Jimlaad43(talk) 14:29, August 28, 2018 (UTC) It's exactly the same height as Concussion. If Nuts can hit Concussion, it can hit Chip. CrashBash (talk) 15:24, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Crash is correct, Chip is the exact same height as Concussion, at 230mm. Chip's polycarbonate armour can be dented by Nuts 2, not to mention how unreliable Chip's unproven weapon supposedly was in testing. A few shots from the flails will ensure that Chip will have even more to think about. The minibots are far, far too low to be hit by Chip's spinner and the flails could even push the polycarbonate armour into the wheels of Chip and jam them, especially since it'll likely be the same side of Chip that'll take all the hits from the clockwise spinning Nuts 2. Chip has quickly become one of the most overrated robots on this wiki, and if it gets through this heat, it'll put Reptirron the Second's weird run deep into the shade. Raz3r(talk) 16:12, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Nuts has evolved to the point where only Carbide standard spinners will pose any real concern. The meh spinner of Chip won't take it out. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:12, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Agreed with the consensus, Chip's spinner isn't effective enough to cause any major harm. BizarroKing (talk) 21:04, August 28, 2018 (UTC)
Winner:

Gravity vs Big Nipper

Gravity	Big Nipper
Votes for Gravity If there is anyone in this heat that could beat Big Nipper, it has to be Gravity. As noted in several battles in the reboot era, Big Nipper generally struggled to assert itself against powerful flippers such as Apollo. Although Gravity may be a classic era machine, the power its flipper boasts is still significantly impressive for today's standards, which when combined with a low ground clearance at the front, should enable it to get underneath the high ground clearance of Big Nipper and toss it around. With battles lasting three minutes instead of five, Gravity should prove relentless throughout, while Big Nipper will only achieve a lift or two that will score minimal damage and aggression points at best. Therefore, Gravity to win by a judges' decision via aggression and control. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 07:54, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Agreed, Big Nipper really struggled to assert itself against flippers even with its spinning discs, and they did even worse with the claws on. Gravity is also a very slippery machine which will be extremely tough to grab or lift without simply losing purchase. Gravity to win this and make it look easy. TOAST 08:08, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Gravity didn't rear as much as its being made out to me. Gravity has more than enough power to flip Big Nipper around, having been able to effortlessly send over Growler and Dead Metal. Big Nipper might get some lifts and pushes in, but I have no doubt it'll expose itself, probably at the side as it did against both TR2 and Eruption, giving Gravity the opportunity to demonstrate attacks that'll impress the judges much more. Raz3r(talk) 16:12, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Yeah, Gravity is powerful enough to flip Big Nipper around and win on aggression, the flips outweighing any pushes Big Nipper may manage. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:14, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Ludicrous vote, Big Nipper with claws couldn't beat Grim Reaper, it certainly isn't going to beat Gravity. Until such time as Big Nipper actually crushes anything, I will treat its claws as an effective lifter and little else. It'll get lifts on, by the wheely slippery Gravity will just chuck this bot around until cease. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:29, August 29, 2018 (UTC) Well it did crush Terror Turtle but that isn't saying much, I also think everyone's ignoring what Nick pointed out and that's the fact that Big Nipper fought MORE POWERFUL flippers n the life events and they can't be ignored. Also don't go around and call the voters ludicrous because you don't agree with it being split, it really doesn't help your arguement (in fact I'm tempted to add a "Minus Vote" because of that, if that's allowed)Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:56, August 29, 2018 (UTC) You call the vote "ludicrous", TG, yet you're using the Series 7 version of Big Nipper to judge the Series 10 version, which is clearly vastly improved. That in itself seems quite ludicrous to me. Also the fact you seem to think Big Nipper didn't stand a chance against Grim Reaper when it was really close. CrashBash (talk) 14:59, August 29, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Big Nipper Big Nipper struggled because it couldn't get under the flippers it faced. Against a reary up robot like Gravity, it will slide under the front often. Big Nipper can lift up and slam Gravity into walls top first, which will cause damage. Add to that the compact shape of Big Nipper that will make it tough to flip OotA. The invertible Big Nipper to push Gravity into House Robots for full effective destructive treatment. Jimlaad43(talk) 11:12, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Big Nipper has struggled against flippers and Gravity is possibly the worst (next to Nuts) that Big Nipper could have faced. That said I'm voting in favour of Big Nipper as Gravity isn't any Apollo, TR2 or Eruption (Dantomkia it used its disc therefore hard to judge) Gravity has a ground clearance that can and has been exploited by fast rammers before, not only that the back end with the wheels is susceptible to pressure and looks like a nice target for the claws to crush down and pretty much destroy.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:46, August 28, 2018 (UTC) Gravity isn't as much of a ground-hugger that moves at a solid pace as TR2 or Eruption. It stops and accelerates throughout fights. I see Big Nipper taking advantage of Gravity's inability to maintain pressure and to tumble it over multiple times. Also, we did see Big Nipper generally struggle against flippers on the show, but it still won multiple live event titles against them - something that shouldn't be ignored. NJGW (talk) 14:35, August 28, 2018 (UTC) For me, I feel Big Nipper can get behind Gravity and grab hold of it as long as it can, possibly send them right down the pit. BizarroKing (talk) 21:04, August 28, 2018 (UTC) If this was Series 7 Big Nipper, then Gravity would win. But this is a much improved Big Nipper with more experience with flippers, and whilst it would struggle against the more modern age flippers, I doubt an older version of Gravity quite compares. Especially as it looks really grabbable. CrashBash (talk) 15:02, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
Winner: