Votes for Gravity
- If there is anyone in this heat that could beat Big Nipper, it has to be Gravity. As noted in several battles in the reboot era, Big Nipper generally struggled to assert itself against powerful flippers such as Apollo. Although Gravity may be a classic era machine, the power its flipper boasts is still significantly impressive for today's standards, which when combined with a low ground clearance at the front, should enable it to get underneath the high ground clearance of Big Nipper and toss it around. With battles lasting three minutes instead of five, Gravity should prove relentless throughout, while Big Nipper will only achieve a lift or two that will score minimal damage and aggression points at best. Therefore, Gravity to win by a judges' decision via aggression and control. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 07:54, August 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed, Big Nipper really struggled to assert itself against flippers even with its spinning discs, and they did even worse with the claws on. Gravity is also a very slippery machine which will be extremely tough to grab or lift without simply losing purchase. Gravity to win this and make it look easy. TOAST 08:08, August 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Gravity didn't rear as much as its being made out to me. Gravity has more than enough power to flip Big Nipper around, having been able to effortlessly send over Growler and Dead Metal. Big Nipper might get some lifts and pushes in, but I have no doubt it'll expose itself, probably at the side as it did against both TR2 and Eruption, giving Gravity the opportunity to demonstrate attacks that'll impress the judges much more. Raz3r(talk) 16:12, August 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, Gravity is powerful enough to flip Big Nipper around and win on aggression, the flips outweighing any pushes Big Nipper may manage. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:14, August 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Ludicrous vote, Big Nipper with claws couldn't beat Grim Reaper, it certainly isn't going to beat Gravity. Until such time as Big Nipper actually crushes anything, I will treat its claws as an effective lifter and little else. It'll get lifts on, by the wheely slippery Gravity will just chuck this bot around until cease. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:29, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
- Well it did crush Terror Turtle but that isn't saying much, I also think everyone's ignoring what Nick pointed out and that's the fact that Big Nipper fought MORE POWERFUL flippers n the life events and they can't be ignored. Also don't go around and call the voters ludicrous because you don't agree with it being split, it really doesn't help your arguement (in fact I'm tempted to add a "Minus Vote" because of that, if that's allowed)Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:56, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
- You call the vote "ludicrous", TG, yet you're using the Series 7 version of Big Nipper to judge the Series 10 version, which is clearly vastly improved. That in itself seems quite ludicrous to me. Also the fact you seem to think Big Nipper didn't stand a chance against Grim Reaper when it was really close. CrashBash (talk) 14:59, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
- No Diotoir, adding a minus vote is not (and I do not think ever will be) allowed. Nonetheless, I politely but firmly request TG and CrashBash retract their accusations of other votes being "ludicrous". SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:15, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
- I think it has happened before, I believe (If I recall correctly) Toast once gave a reasoning for Razer to lose the Pinball (in the because he didn't like it and everyone rallied and eventually the vote was given a strike. I might be wrong :P But nonetheless I'm still not happy with that "ludicrous" comment...it reminds me of my earlier votes in previous arena tournies.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 18:51, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
- Personal bias wasn't a factor in my Razer pinball score, I found it utterly bizarre that everyone was giving Razer a considerably higher score than it gained in its actual pinball run, so I attempted to give it a very low score to balance out the overly high scores, and because I was transparent in my intentions, it got struck. TG describing the Big Nipper votes as ludicrous is a very, very minor thing to get caught up on, I feel similar confusion at this being so close, and I don't have a problem with someone being vocal about it. TOAST 18:59, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
- I can understand the closeness (it's not tied at the moment BUT I'm sure it'll change in a few hours:P), although I still think this is a tough run...even tougher once it fights Nuts! But I still think Nick noting the Live Events is a very good point.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:01, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
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Votes for Big Nipper
- Big Nipper struggled because it couldn't get under the flippers it faced. Against a reary up robot like Gravity, it will slide under the front often. Big Nipper can lift up and slam Gravity into walls top first, which will cause damage. Add to that the compact shape of Big Nipper that will make it tough to flip OotA. The invertible Big Nipper to push Gravity into House Robots for full effective destructive treatment. Jimlaad43(talk) 11:12, August 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Big Nipper has struggled against flippers and Gravity is possibly the worst (next to Nuts) that Big Nipper could have faced. That said I'm voting in favour of Big Nipper as Gravity isn't any Apollo, TR2 or Eruption (Dantomkia it used its disc therefore hard to judge) Gravity has a ground clearance that can and has been exploited by fast rammers before, not only that the back end with the wheels is susceptible to pressure and looks like a nice target for the claws to crush down and pretty much destroy.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:46, August 28, 2018 (UTC)
- Gravity isn't as much of a ground-hugger that moves at a solid pace as TR2 or Eruption. It stops and accelerates throughout fights. I see Big Nipper taking advantage of Gravity's inability to maintain pressure and to tumble it over multiple times. Also, we did see Big Nipper generally struggle against flippers on the show, but it still won multiple live event titles against them - something that shouldn't be ignored. NJGW (talk) 14:35, August 28, 2018 (UTC)
- For me, I feel Big Nipper can get behind Gravity and grab hold of it as long as it can, possibly send them right down the pit. BizarroKing (talk) 21:04, August 28, 2018 (UTC)
- If this was Series 7 Big Nipper, then Gravity would win. But this is a much improved Big Nipper with more experience with flippers, and whilst it would struggle against the more modern age flippers, I doubt an older version of Gravity quite compares. Especially as it looks really grabbable. CrashBash (talk) 15:02, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah TG, 2003 Big Nipper couldn't beat Grim Reaper on one occasion - but 2017 Big Nipper could nine times out of ten, with all of its extensive improvements. Watch its 2007 FRA campaign; it's barely challenged by better flippers than Gravity, and this was an incarnation 10 years prior to the one we're discussing here. Speaking of Gravity, we all saw how its fight with Tornado went - its tyres are easily pierced, which Big Nipper is more than capable of doing. Once you hamper its mobility, Big Nipper has Gravity exactly how it wants it.--Rammingspeed (talk) 19:07, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
- Looking at Big Nipper's live event fights against flippers, it's always very good at keeping the claws at a ground-scraping level, getting underneath its opponents, and controlling the battle from there. Yes, opponents did occasionally get underneath, but with the wheels at the back it could get away before it could be carried to the arena wall. Gravity will get the odd flip in, but unless it's very opportunistic I'm not seeing Big Nipper going OotA. Gravity does tend to rear up, allowing Big Nipper to sweep underneath and slam it into walls and control its movements. Plus Big Nipper's managed to get a hold of more awkwardly shaped opponents than Gravity- if it manages to get underneath at the front, lift, open, and grab hold, Gravity could be done. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:30, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
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