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"Welcome back to Robot Wars: Extreme Warriors, where 24 of the toughest all-American robots have been fighting it out to be crowned the Extreme champion! We're now halfway through the heats and so far, Manta and Panzer Mk 2 have booked their place in the final. Who will join them from today's gathering? We're about to find out...."

Round 1

Unibite vs Tut Tut vs Tricerabot

Unibite	Tut Tut	Tricerabot
Votes for Unibite This seems like the perfect battle to start the vote on, at least until you see the other fight and you think "Why were these three drawn together!?" Especially considering Unibite might have even made it through. As it is, it's facing two reliable machines whilst being very unreliable itself. CrashBash (talk) 13:09, October 7, 2018 (UTC) Considering that Unibite tended to die under little pressure half way through a fight, I say it is the most vulnurable.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:20, October 7, 2018 (UTC) Ouch, what a melee! Now, Unibite could progress providing it takes out the exposed tyres of either Tut Tut or Tricerabot. While I should note that Tut Tut's drivers will have to learn how to control an unfamiliar robot, I think they should get the hang of it relatively early on. Tricerabot should dominate through, with good slams being enough to take out Unibite's drives. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:42, October 7, 2018 (UTC) Unibite really needs to immobilise an opponent quickly before its tendency to conk out does for it. Tricerabot's a brick and Tut Tut seemed pretty reliable with a reasonable axe, one of them should be able to put Unibite under enough pressure to kill it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:54, October 7, 2018 (UTC) Melee and a half, sadly Unibite the weakest of this lot. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:24, October 7, 2018 (UTC) Unibite definitely feels like the weak link in this one. BizarroKing (talk) 21:07, October 7, 2018 (UTC) I wouldn't be surprised if Unibite did qualify through this melee, it certainly makes sense, but not worth arguing when its breakdown is very feasible. TOAST 08:38, October 8, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Tut Tut	Votes for Tricerabot
Eliminated: Unibite (7-0-0)

"...and Unibite could be out of it! Oh, that could be an upset, they were so strong!"

The Brute vs Tiger Cat vs Close Enough

The Brute	Tiger Cat	Close Enough
Votes for The Brute	Votes for Tiger Cat Close Enough could at least ram, it did so against Manta quite well in the real championship. Tiger Cat had relatively weak armour and little way of fighting back. In fact I'd say the combined ramming attacks from both Rambots could just about know Tiger cat out.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:22, October 7, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Close Enough Brute and Tiger Cat could fight each other for the entire duration, to the point one of them is actually immobilised, and they'd still both go through. Anyone who's seen Close Enough "fight" can attest to that. CrashBash (talk) 13:09, October 7, 2018 (UTC) I totally get Diotoir's vote here. However, Close Enough flat out did not work in either of its battles, while Tiger Cat at least had the issue of being covered in WD-40. I think a good slam by Brute would be enough to take out Close Enough, with Tiger Cat surviving a little while longer. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:42, October 7, 2018 (UTC) Tiger Cat was pretty fragile, but it was also pretty reliable, to the point where you could make a case for it being the winner of its US Championship melee as by far the most mobile. Close Enough just seemed incredibly unreliable. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:54, October 7, 2018 (UTC) Close Enough the least effective fighter here I would say. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:25, October 7, 2018 (UTC) Tiger Cat at the very least has some offensive weaponry; Close Enough has nothing going for it. BizarroKing (talk) 21:07, October 7, 2018 (UTC) This is the weird thing about Tiger Cat, it was an intentionally weak robot with shambolic armour, doused in WD-40 for maximum failure, yet it always seems to scrape a win in Ragnabot tournaments and now even its own domestic championship. I suppose it's subtly not that bad. TOAST 08:38, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
Eliminated: Close Enough (0-1-6)

"And that's all she wrote for Close Enough as her dreams go up in smoke!"

Round 2

Tricerabot vs Tiger Cat

Tricerabot	Tiger Cat
Votes for Tricerabot After a brief moment where both robots deliberately either provoke Sgt Bash or linger over the flame hazards to set themselves ablazing, Tricerabot to have its way with Tiger Cat, probably getting some armour broken off its opponent in the process. CrashBash (talk) 14:02, October 9, 2018 (UTC) See the Manta fight, except there's no panels coming off.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 14:17, October 9, 2018 (UTC) Could be a bit of a Thor vs. Tough as Nails here, where a flaming axe takes on a pusher, the key difference being that the pusher should win once Tiger Cat starts to display damage from the House Robots. TOAST 15:17, October 9, 2018 (UTC) Impressive shoving power and way more sturdy; I don't see anyway they CAN'T win this one. BizarroKing (talk) 21:49, October 9, 2018 (UTC) Yeah, not quite the massacre that was Tiger Cat vs Manta, but pretty close. Hogwild94 (talk) 22:10, October 9, 2018 (UTC) Tricerabot ultimately is just too strong for Tiger Cat to resist. Therefore, in spite of the fact that both will be on fire at some point, Tricerabot will have no trouble pitting its opponent. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:42, October 10, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Tiger Cat
Winner: Tricerabot (6-0)

"It's a flaming, faceless tiger!"

Tut Tut vs The Brute

Tut Tut	The Brute
Votes for Tut Tut A tough one here, since Brute could simply avoid Tut Tut's axe due to its small size being harder to hit. I just wonder though whether Tut Tut's sloped sides will make it difficult for Brute to even push it. A tentative vote to Tut Tut for when it does land the hits, it could cause some damage. CrashBash (talk) 14:02, October 9, 2018 (UTC) Tough call. I say Tut Tut's loped sides may prove difficult and therefore Brute will have a hard time fighting it. No only that the axe can and will causing issues if given opportunity (look at the wheels and flat armour) Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 14:20, October 9, 2018 (UTC) Great little fight this! I'm going to edge towards Tut Tut, call it a 55-45 because I was originally writing a vote for The Brute - Tut Tut never fighting any robots with real damage output could lead to its defence becoming overrated, it is still a loanerbot after all. Still, Tut Tut put enough holes in Rosie the Riveter 2 and Probophobia (under a different driver, granted) to suggest it will spike The Brute and claim victory. TOAST 15:17, October 9, 2018 (UTC) While it might be difficult for the axe to hit, I'm sure it can still get a few hits in here and there. BizarroKing (talk) 21:49, October 9, 2018 (UTC) And we are guaranteed at least one different semi-finalist. Hogwild94 (talk) 22:11, October 9, 2018 (UTC) Close, but I feel that Tut Tut's design may cause The Brute to become beached on it, enabling Tut Tut to push its opponent around. Alternatively, a hit on the tyres would compromise The Brute's mobility. Either way, Tut Tut should pick up the victory. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:42, October 10, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for The Brute
Winner: Tut Tut (6-0)

"Looks like we saw Brute get brutalised"

Rumble

General Chompsalot vs Bot-Ugly vs Spike vs Sobek

General Chompsalot	Votes for General Chompsalot This is another battle I expect Bot-Ugly to run inverted to give its clamp the best chance of hitting something, but of these four, not only does General Chompsalot come across as having the most effective weapon (despite also being by far the weakest, aside from maybe Sobek), it's just overall the more reliable. CrashBash (talk) 12:44, October 11, 2018 (UTC) Your vote reminds me of the time I first read the comments on the Badly Designed Robots page. Do you still think that General Chompsalot's jaws "just pretty much flapped around aimlessly, with none of the control or grip that its predecessor had"? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:21, October 12, 2018 (UTC) Maybe not as much as back then, but they're still inferior to its predecessor. This is due to a few rather specific flaws, but if the next heat is going to go the way I expect it to, I think it'll be more likely that I bring it up there. CrashBash (talk) 18:39, October 12, 2018 (UTC) Sobek is a robot I like but it's reliability is a problem. Bot-Ugly is one of those machines that die half way through a match. Spike, as lovely as it is, has some of the worst control I've ever seen and is easily pushed about. This leaves the relatively reliable, aggressive and somewhat controlled General Chompsalot.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:42, October 11, 2018 (UTC) I basically see Spike and Bot-Ugly having their actual Civil War fight happen, while General Chompsalot takes on Sobek, pulling a wheel off it. This will be critical damage which leads to General Chompsalot winning the Judges' decision. TOAST 13:56, October 11, 2018 (UTC) Three opponents pretty easy for Chompsalot to grab hold of. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:53, October 11, 2018 (UTC) It's really more or less pick your poison as to who gets immobilized first. BizarroKing (talk) 23:06, October 11, 2018 (UTC) I can see General Chompsalot biting down on the tyres of Bot-Ugly and Sobek, removing the latter's and at least puncturing the former's. With both opponents' mobility compromised to the point where they are crippled, General Chompsalot can then focus on exploiting Spike's poor control, ultimately grabbing from the sie and then pitting its foe. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:21, October 12, 2018 (UTC)
Bot-Ugly	Votes for Bot-Ugly
Spike	Votes for Spike
Sobek	Votes for Sobek
Winner: General Chompsalot (6-0-0-0)

Heat Final

Tricerabot vs Tut Tut

Tricerabot	Tut Tut
Votes for Tricerabot A tight one. In the brief clashes we saw of the two fighting in the Tag Team Terror...all 15 seconds of it...Tricerabot seemed like it was having a few issues pushing Tut Tut due to the latter's pyramid shape. For a full five minute bout, however, I expect that these attacks will still be considered for aggression, and I think overall Tricerabot should have the advantage. CrashBash (talk) 12:44, October 11, 2018 (UTC) I totally agree with the above. (got noting else to add really).Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:40, October 11, 2018 (UTC) Sorry about the long absense, went to Wales Rally GB last weekend and it's taken me ages to thaw out and dry off xD. Anyway, Tricerabot has spikes at the front, which can use Tut Tut's sloped sides to guide them up into the poppable tyres of Tut Tut. Rip a hole in them and the pyramid is going nowhere. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:52, October 12, 2018 (UTC)	Votes for Tut Tut I'm backing the first real upset of the tournament here. Let's remind ourselves of the Juggerbot timeline - 1) Team Juggerbot build Juggerbot as a pushing box for Robotica, which becomes Rosie the Riveter, 2) Juggerbot is rebuilt as an improved pushing box for BattleBots, which becomes Tricerabot, 3) The Juggerbot team build Logoseye for Season 3 of Robotica, improving on both designs by adding a wedge, which becomes Rosie the Riveter 2, 4) The Juggerbot team build Juggerbot 3.0 for Season 3 of Robotica, improving on past designs by adding a flipper weapon. The exact timeline of improvement is important, because Tut Tut defeated Rosie the Riveter 2 (step 3 in the timeline) in Nickelodeon Robot Wars. The circumstances were different, I admit, as both robots were driven by children and the victory itself was a split decision, but the win came as a result of Tut Tut axing a flat boxy robot - something that will always be possible. Tricerabot is a prior stage of the Juggerbot timeline, and not only that, it's been outfitted with sacrificial cardboard for Tut Tut to cause extra damage to. Like CrashBash pointed out, Tricerabot's lack of a wedge hindered its ability to push Tut Tut in their real bout, and considering Rosie the Riveter 2 HAD a wedge, even that struggled. Tricerabot pushing Tut Tut backwards isn't going to outweigh the effect of Tut Tut's axe blows, and I don't want people to fall into the trap of Tricerabot winning this because its successor would become a Robot Wars runner-up. TOAST 14:06, October 11, 2018 (UTC) Toast, the original Juggerbot first got renamed Rosie the Riveter, which then was modified and renamed Logoseye and then reverted to Rosie the Riveter 2 whilst keeping the Logoseye design. Juggerbot from BattleBots was renamed Tricerabot for Extreme Warriors 1 before entering Robotica season 3 as Juggerbot 3.0, it was then reverted to Tricerabot 3.0 for Extreme Warriors 2. In short, Logoseye and Rosie the Riveter 1 are the same bot whilst Juggerbot from BattleBots and Tricerabot 3.0 are the same bot. Sam (BAZINGA) 15:29, October 11, 2018 (UTC) I have to agree with both Crash and Toast's evaluations on this one; should be a close contest. One thing I'd like to emphasise is that under the old judging criteria, the damage inflicted to Tricerabot's top, wheels and paper bag extras would most likely earn valuable points for Tut Tut in the event that both robots last to the end. Indeed, as mentioned above, it was the aforementioned scenario which lead Tut Tut to come out on top against Rosie the Riveter in the Nickelodeon series. I am aware that the bottom of Tut Tut's bodyshell was also buckled in places as the start of the Tag Team battle, but it appears that the damage was done before Tricerabot first made contact with it. Tricerabot will no doubt ram and slam Tut Tut, but I don't feel it has much else in return to counter Tut Tut's more damaging axe blows. VulcansHowl 15:52, October 11, 2018 (UTC) This is a good one. In the end, I'm calling it down to damage, which Tut Tut should easily win on, a decent axe against top armour made of paper bags is no real contest. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:54, October 11, 2018 (UTC) Surprised by the support for Tut Tut but after thinking about it and reading the argument, I actually have to agree; I think they could pull off the upset here. Maybe not KO Tricerabot but I think they can take the points. BizarroKing (talk) 23:15, October 11, 2018 (UTC) I think Tut Tut's sloped design is crucial here, since I can see it reducing Tricerabot's pushing power considerably, likely preventing its opponent from scoring significant aggression points. As VulcansHowl has mentioned, Tricerabot has also put themselves at significant risk of losing via a judges' decision, by allowing Tut Tut to score easy damage points from taking out the weak top and paper bags. If it hits a tyre, then Tut Tut will dominate, by exploiting its opponent's compromised mobility. Even if it does not, Tut Tut should achieve a narrow victory via swaying the judges over by scoring more damage points. Might be time to update my Wiki tournament performance page and SQL project! SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:21, October 12, 2018 (UTC)
Winner: Tut Tut (5-2)

"Tricerabot is burning uncontrollably in a dinosaur barbecue fashion!"