Votes for Push to Exit
- Y-Y-Y...You can't do that! Concussion was better than Hobgoblin, and Terror Turtle still came back for more against Big Nipper! I... oh never mind, Harpy would win this with the flipper, but I think they'll be keen to show off the axe on their debut and bugger their chances. TOAST 00:56, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- I'll expand on this. Many veterans needed a gimmick in order to qualify for a second season. Eruption's drum. Apex's guitar. Cobra's crusher. These weapons were all used in the first round, and then substituted. Harpy will follow this trend, and contribute very little with its axe. TOAST 16:47, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- Consider this my protest vote until we can decide how to proceed. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 06:57, March 11, 2018 (UTC)
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Votes for Harpy
- Push to Exit lost the power in its flipper easily, and when facign another good flipper, that will only spell trouble for the team that should have just stuck with Dantomkia. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:21, March 9, 2018 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but I have to object to this. There is no evidence to suggest that Terror Turtle would have suffered terminal damage, for all we know the only damage it suffered was some hits on the wheels. Considering that The Kegs were still able to compete in spite taking severe damage against Tauron in real life, as well as the fact that Rabid M8 and Cathadh were allowed to compete in this round despite facing Carbide, I really do not think this is fair. Plus, in a battle between Terror Turtle and Push to Exit, I was actually going to vote for the latter, meaning that Push to Exit is possibly being cheated out of a victory here. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:28, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- My vote for Push to Exit was going to have been "Is anyone else regretting including Terror Turtle in this?", and then I thought Yes, it isn't contributing at all. I made the decision to go for a reserve as a break from tradition and to do something different for once. Push to Exit isn't being cheated out if a win at all. You could say the same thing for Ironside3 and Beast in Series 8 being cheated out of wins against Chompalot when Pulsar was reinstated. It's part of the game, sometimes robots get replaced. What we've gone from is a battle between two robots that were one hit away from dying in their second battle, to a potential barnstormer between two flippers. When I made the decision to do the swap, I was expecting this to be Infernal Contraption until I did a recount t of the votes anyway. I'm sticking to my decision to make the swap because it's something that could easily happen in the real series. I mean, two of the robots in this heat already were reserves... Jimlaad43(talk) 09:36, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with SpaceManic here, it almost seems like Terror Turtle was kicked because you don't like. Sure it still wouldn't win but the argument for technical difficulties doesn't really feel realistic in the slightest considering what we know. As for PtE being cheated a win, perhaps, but even still I wouldn't say it would go beyond here so both robots were doomed in some ways. I thinks it's a silly decision, but it we're being forced then we may have to follow through, unless for whatever reason everyone protests and refuses to contribute (which clearly won't happen). :/ Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:49, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- When I decided to withdraw (not kick) Terror Turtle, my initial thought was to replace it with Infernal Contraption. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like Terror Turtle, when the plan was the replace it with a robot I hate more? Terror Turtle and THE BASH are the only robots in the series I would even think of doing this to because people asked for them to be removed before the tournament started. Robots have withdrawn a load of times, just as Chompalot, Rapid, Suicidal Tendencies, Ultor, Vulture and Razer to name a few. What's stopping it happening in an Arena tournament. Terror Turtle showed itself to struggle against spinners, and Hobgoblin and Nuts are easily powerful enough to cause damage. John still has The Kegs left in the tournament, so its not like the team has disappeared. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:59, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- I'm now legitimately half-expecting you to do this to THE BASH too, actually. CrashBash (talk) 14:50, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- THE BASH will be judged on a case-by-case basis. Who says it's going to lose in round 1? Who says it's going to be up against anything destructive? I for one think it's withdrawal in the WS was purely so they could use Tough as Nails, rather than BASH being irreparable. If I were to do this again, THE BASH is the only robot that might disappear, but I can't guarantee anything either way. Jimlaad43(talk) 17:47, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- I’m adding my voice to the chorus of those who aren’t okay with this. Putting aside that Push to Exit is being cheated out of a win, I’m concerned that if we let Jim as commentator make this call unilaterally, we set a dangerous precedent. What stops future commentators withdrawing Chompalot, Wyrm, Scar or Onslaught and subbing in whomever they want? Toon Ganondorf (t c) 18:40, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- I think you mean Frostbite, not Wyrm. Either way, I doubt Jim will change his mind now, so I think all we can do is see where this goes. CrashBash (talk) 19:02, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- Without continuing this controversy, I do somewhat agree with Toon Ganondorf in the sense that this may set a dangerous precedent, especially as I know Jim is the type of person to get quite angry himself over similar matters took place. I also want to reply to Jim's reply and say that, I think the whole "replacing a robot" idea should probably have been implemented as it would have eliminated this controversy in the first place, I doubt anyone would have added Terror Turtle and probably replaced it with someone else, what makes it problematic is that Terror Turtle elimination was done purely over subjective basis that it would in disrepair (which as we've seen in real life never happened despite how badly it got beaten up). I can understand the reasoning but why even have it here in the first place if you're just going get rid of it just like that? With THE BASH argument, I'm sure it would have gone the same route but since CrashBash brought it up, I doubt that'll happen.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:46, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- Let me be more blunt. Four people are against it at least, including both admins, I think this should be pulled back. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 20:07, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- OK, guys, look, I know you're all upset, but at this stage, I really doubt Jim is going to change his mind right now. Let him just do what he wants right now and keep this in mind for potential future discussions. CrashBash (talk) 20:36, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- I'm annoyed that this discussion turned into a personal attack on me, which is really not what should be going on. Decision was made and will not change. If you disagree with the change, feel free to vote for Push to Exit. That is an extremely simple way to right s so-called "wrong". Toast has come up with a wholly valid argument about why Push to Exit will win this. If you want PtE to win, vote for it, but I am sticking by my decision to make a swap for a reserve because it adds that little bit of realism to the Audited Wars. We've seen robots withdraw all the time, what's wrong with a robot that was asked to be binned being binned? Pretty much nothing, except that it was unexpected and against what's happened in the arena before. Complaints were being lodged that these heats were getting boring - well it sure as hell isn't now is it? Experimenting with the format of tournaments is what we're supposed to do to work out if our format is correct. Look at History corner. I wanted something different there, and a complete tangent of a special event was chosen. Maybe my wording of why Terror Turtle withdrew was wrong. But how else would it withdraw? I can't say it withdrew for unknown reasons can I? Anyway, be honest. How many of you would have written a vote in PtE vs TT that was longer than 2 sentences? We have an intriguing battle between two flippers rather than a formality. Spice it up. Jimlaad43(talk) 21:17, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- No one is attacking you. We have a serious problem with the commentator picking exactly which robot withdraws and when. I’m fine with slicing it up but it should be part of a process. This is an Arena tournament, not a fan tournament. It isn’t as simple as I decide and get over it. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 13:44, March 11, 2018 (UTC)
- It was probably John Frizell who caused the breakdown again. That's two knockouts for him now! Anyhow, in this fight, I fancy Harpy. Push to Exit is a cool robot in theory, but in practice its too reckless, not precise, and very fragile. A knockout via an inability to self-right, or a House Robot blow, me thinks. Nweston8 (talk) 23:49, March 9, 2018 (UTC)
- I find getting rid of Terror Turtle to be a little silly but if we are to be dictated this way I guess it leaves me no choice but to vote for the replacement as PtE was rather unreliable and flipper power was ether broken or poor.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:50, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- Harpy beats PtE in pretty much everything. I can see either the House Robots finishing off Push to Exit OR Harpy pitting Push to Exit.Adster1005 (talk) 12:43, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- I'm voting Harpy, but only if they use their just flipper configuration since PtE has been rather damaged by Aftershock. If Harpy decided to use Flipper + axe then it'd be closer, but Harpy could edge it. Maybe.... CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 14:02, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- I'm disappointed in Terror Turtle withdrawing more so because Push To Exit would have actually won a battle more than anything. Otherwise, I really don't have a problem with this. If Harpy is essentially a better Beast, it'll probably outlast PTE. HashtagPrayForPush. CrashBash (talk) 14:50, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- Oh come on, Terror Turtle wouldn't be that badly damaged against Nuts 2 or Hobgoblin! Never mind, Harpy will make good use of this opportunity. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:06, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- Personally I like the idea though I can understand why some may not but either way I feel Harpy's going through on this one. BizarroKing (talk) 22:11, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
- Regardless of what I think about the controversy surrounding Harpy's inclusion, I genuinely think that without its reliability issues at play, Push to Exit has a chance to succeed here. With the flipper, I am not convinced that Harpy is as effective at getting underneath opponents as others claim it to be, and I'd say that from studying footage of it at live events, it is more vulnerable to getting scooped up by Push to Exit than vice-versa. Its axe, from what I've seen, could rack up a lot of aggression points, but has proven to be fragile in combat, and doesn't quite have the precision to continuously land the blows it needs. This audience POV confirms that Push to Exit did fire its flipper at least once during its battle against Expulsion, and I'd say that it would be able to get a flip in if it drives underneath Harpy immediately. However, given the intermittent lost of drive it had in the aforementioned battle, I am hesitant to assume that Push to Exit will survive the full distance here without becoming immobile for prolonged periods and counted out at some point. Harpy to win purely on the basis of it being generally more reliable. VulcansHowl 13:28, March 11, 2018 (UTC)
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