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This is the official discussion page for the Arena. If you have an idea for a competition, please create a level three subheading, and provide a basic outline of your idea, under the section titles 'Tournament ideas'. If you want to discuss a topic besides this, changes to policy etc, please do so under the 'General ideas' heading.

After the current Arena competition has finished, voting will be opened to decide which of the submitted competition ideas will be used for the next competition. Users are permitted to create and host their own Arena competitions with approval from the other users.

General ideasEdit

Tournament ideasEdit

Fictional Game TournamentEdit

We know how to judge robots in the arena, so why not host a tournament with all the fictional robots from the Robot Wars games? There's enough info on each page to work out what to say about each robot, and I'm sure some of you will do the fights when they appear to test the result. We could even switch up the arena each heat to a different in-game one! We're all experienced enough to come up with something good. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:28, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

Audited Series 9Edit

I don't think we should do this just yet, but I feel this should at least be considered for a future competition. Basically, I'm proposing that, if we need to do another Audited series, then Series 9 is our best candidate. The most important change would be to the format - I'm not 100% convinced that the Round Robin format would work on the wikia and as a general format, it sorta sucked anyway. However, we do have another actual Robot Wars Series that featured 40 robots that managed just fine without a Round Robin. If nothing else, it'd be interesting to see how things may have gone under a different format.

There are two major reasons why I'm specifically proposing Series 9 over Series 8, which had the same format. The first is that I feel Series 9 had more alternate robots we could use, which could potentially mix up the meta game quite a bit. The second is that I think most of us will agree that it was the weakest of the reboot series anyway. And whilst I'm sure most of you will probably say "There's no point, Carbide would easily win anyway", I would simply respond with "would it?" and if your answer is still yes, "so what?". After all, our Audited Series don't always end up with the same winner even when it seems obvious, and even when it does, we still have fun doing it (see Audited Series 3 and 4, where Chaos 2 was always going to win). CrashBash (talk) 21:27, November 30, 2018 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

Honestly, I am not a big fan of Series 9; henceforth why I support this concept. Carbide easily winning is not an issue, seeing as Panzer Mk 2 won with no objections throughout its Audited Extreme Warriors 1 campaign.

Another reason to support this tournament is the bin candidates process; we could add in Big Nipper, Dantomkia, Eric (although that robot is clearly too OP for this tournament!), Gabriel (no Jimlaad, disliking the robot is NOT a valid reason to not include it), Gyrobot, Iron Heart 88 (where Toast will need to be careful when judging battles involving it :P), Mega Melvin, Prizephita, Ripper, Terror-Bull, Tough as Nails, Toxic 2 and TR2. Hence, I support this idea, although maybe after another original tournament. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 22:18, November 30, 2018 (UTC)

That and I can still see a few robots giving Carbide some issues. CrashBash (talk) 22:22, November 30, 2018 (UTC)

Dutch Series 3Edit

It's been a long time since we've used the Dutch and German robots on the wiki, and this seems like a logical follow-up to the German Series 2 we did a long time ago. UK Series 7 had so many new-and-improved Dutch and Belgian robots that I think we can quite comfortably put together a five-heat format using 2003-era Dutch robots and some of the best robots from Dutch Series 2. Seeing robots like Scraptosaur 03 and Twister S7 in their intended environments could be really fun, and it can even be seeded based on the Dutch Series 2 Grand Final, while the wildcards like Gravity and TAN would prevent the seeds from wiping everyone out.

CommentsEdit

  • It's certainly an idea I'd be interested to give a try. I suppose the obviou issue would be would we be able to find enough robots to fill up the spaces? We had nine Dutch robots compete in UK7 by my count so they'd obviously all go in, as would Hard...and I presume Crushtacean/Krab-Bot? That alone makes 11, and then I think there were about five or six Dutch/Belgian robots that DNQ for Series 7. CrashBash (talk) 14:53, May 24, 2019 (UTC)
    • Then we just pick the remaining 15 from the heats of Dutch Series 2 to fill out the rest, it’s not the most realistic method but it allows us to use some robots we barely get the chance to vote on. TOAST 15:03, May 24, 2019 (UTC)
    • I believe there's 7 that DNQ for Series 7, going from here: Caesar, Deep Impact, PulverizeR, RCC 2, Slicer, Sniper, and Splinter. Of those, we've got practically no information about Deep Impact, pretty much only an image of Caesar, only 2 images of the updated Sniper, and a grainy qualifier video of RCC 2. Could be tricky to judge any of those 4. Combatwombat555 (talk) 15:28, May 24, 2019 (UTC)

BuggleBots FormatEdit

This isn't an idea for a new tournament, but more specifically a format we could potentially use. What if for a tournament we ran a similar set-up to how the web-series BuggleBots ran its tournament? I could actually see it working for Toast's aforementioned Dutch Series 3. CrashBash (talk) 08:03, May 29, 2019 (UTC)

Debut Wars Edit

A random idea that popped in my head was competition that can involve robots from all series in something called "Debut Wars". As the title suggest we use any robot (such as Razer, Behemoth and/or Supernova) but instead of using their most up to date version, we use their debut appearances (such as Series 2 Razer and Behemoth and/or Series 5 Supernova). Not only does this make things interesting but it allows some allstar robots to not roam too freely, e.g. Razer won't be able to self right, Chaos has no real flipping power, Behemoth will be very weak etc. Now truth be told I have calculated everything thus far but I'm sure we'll have enough for 12 Heats with six. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:22, July 13, 2019 (UTC)

UPDATE: So I decided, because I am desperate to get this chosen someday, to have a look at all "canon" robots and see when they/the teams debuted and created a list. I have marked down 232 robots/teams eligible and when they debut. So with that said, here is the list, hopefully you can see it, to have a real insight to what it would be like: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16LYbXpK-chp9Wgdv3xMPPlPfK5xohz8gNnveLsNG2Ww/edit?usp=sharing

Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:24, April 12, 2020 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • I like the idea, but Storm 2 would win the whole tournament fairly easily so I'd suggest keeping them out (and maybe one or two others). Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:29, July 13, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah it's possible one of two may get removed, maybe have a whole list of all debuties and allow everyone to decide on the ones to remove. The likes of Storm 2, Eruption and Carbide are obvious targets.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:39, July 13, 2019 (UTC)
  • This just sounds like the Fantasy Audited wars when we find creative ways to hobble certain robots, like Behemoth (Grippers), Big Nipper (Claws) and Panic Attack Gold. Jimlaad43(talk) 11:38, July 13, 2019 (UTC)
    • List looks really interesting Diotoir, although I would recommend removing Apollo, Eruption and a few other Reboot machines from the list because they will probably ruin the tournament! The rest though could prove interesting... in fact, perhaps this is how Old vs New SHOULD have been presented. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:28, April 12, 2020 (UTC)
      • My idea was, if it were chosen, I'd let you vote for 10 to ban and 10 to include (Similar to Fantasy Wars) I only included those OP robots because it would fill the list out completely. When this current tournament comes to an end I will push this one forward (as well as Series 5 4 Way again, because that was popular)Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:39, April 12, 2020 (UTC)
  • Even if this tournament doesn't get picked (it does have potential if we pick the right robots), that list would be very helpful to keep hold of. CrashBash (talk) 10:51, April 12, 2020 (UTC)

Survivor SeriesEdit

With WWE's Survivor Series PPV just around the corner, I had a look at the upcoming matches (some of which seem quite interesting, considering they will have NXT stars), where I suddenly had an idea. You see, Robot Wars actually has many comparisons to WWF/WWE; some of them include tag teams, triple threats (Mayhems), battle royals (10-Robot Rumble) and elimination matches (Annihilators). However, Robot Wars has never attempted something as ambitious as WWE's Survivor Series concept, which I think could work very well on the Arena Forums.

For those not fans of wrestling, let me explain the concept. You have two teams of typically five wrestlers on each side, under tag team rules. To win, a team must have at least one man/woman remaining, while successfully eliminating all the opponents on the other team, through means such as pinfalls, submissions, disqualifications etc. Since we have done Annihilators in the past, I think this concept under Robot Wars rules could work very nicely.

Let's have an example:

B-Team (Barber-Ous 2'n a Bit, Behemoth, Big Nipper, Bigger Brother and Bulldog Breed) vs Spin to Win (259, Disc-O-Inferno, Hypno-Disc, Supernova and Vader)Edit

Suppose we have one minute intervals for each fight. If the two chosen robots (via Random.Org) were initially Big Nipper and Supernova, then chances are this fight will end in a draw, because neither will secure a knockout in that time. However, if the next two robots were Barber-Ous 2'n a Bit and Hypno-Disc, then, based on the fact the latter has beaten the former in a single blow, the demon barber would be voted out. B-Team would be down to four machines, but can still win the war.

However, this now presents a challenge for B-Team. Yes, the remaining four robots are generally known to be reliable. But against five spinners, will that be enough, especially as damage will be accumulated overtime? Ultimately, I do think B-Team would come out on top, but it is not going to be pretty, I will tell you that!

Henceforth, the main rules for this tournament would be:

  • Only two robots face each other at one time, to fight for a duration of a minute.
  • Robots can only be eliminated via knockout. Judges' decision are for wimps.
  • Crucially, unlike in Annihilators, where every time a machine is eliminated the others get to be repaired, in Survivor Series, the battle continues until one team is left standing. This means every voter has got to speculate what damage may have been caused to each machine during their encounters against one another. Hence, losing a machine early on is a huge blow for its team.
  • However, in the interests of this tournament, all robots' power sources will enable them to work indefinitely.

So, what do you ladies and gentlemen think? I might post my own Survivor Series tournament on my user blog to demonstrate how interesting this competition could be. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 17:01, November 13, 2019 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

This reminds me somewhat of the Attrition Battles used in King of Bots. I'd certainly be interested to see how those sorts of things would be decided. CrashBash (talk) 17:14, November 13, 2019 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I was thinking the other day about how the King of Bots Attrition format could be implemented for certain Robot Wars competitions. I'd be intrigued to see how this format would work in a forum tournament, especially on the back of CrashBash's comparison. VulcansHowl 17:40, November 13, 2019 (UTC)

Just to clarify, Space, if this tournament was given the go-ahead, by my understanding of your rules there would need to be three voting columns, right? One for voting in favour of each robot and one for voting a draw (I.E. neither robot can knock each other out within a minute). CrashBash (talk) 18:39, November 14, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, something like below:
Bigger Brother Supernova Draw
Bigger Brother s7 Official image
Supernova
UK vs Germany special decision
Votes for Bigger Brother Votes for Supernova Votes for Draw
Winner:
Just to clarify, if you think Bigger Brother will win, continue to vote for Bigger Brother. Likewise if you think Supernova would win. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 17:51, November 16, 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. BTW, in this case I'd probably vote for a draw, because I don't think Bigger Brother's defenses would break, or Supernova's reliability issues play up, within just one minute. CrashBash (talk) 18:09, November 16, 2019 (UTC)

Ragnabot - Classic EditionEdit

"What!? But CrashBash, we're literally in the process of doing a Ragnabot right now! You can't just propose another one!" Well, yeah, I understand that, but hear me out here - what if we did a Ragnabot that featured all the robots simply from Series 1 to Series 4? Before the weight limit shifted from 80kg to 100kg? I think the Classic tournament we did a while back was quite enjoyable, and we always celebrate whenever a pre-first-weight limit bot goes through in Ragnabot, so maybe it's time to give them the love they all deserve. Because, lets face it, until Mentorn finds someone who will take Robot Wars again, we won't be doing another standard version of these. CrashBash (talk) 07:52, December 11, 2019 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

Series 10 in the Style of BattleBotsEdit

A random idea I had. For those who have seen the 2018/2019 series of BattleBots, I feel there is potential to have a Robot Wars variation. Basically, each robot will have four fights against four different opponents in order to gain a large enough win/lose ratio to reach the knock-out stage. There would also be a Desperado Tournament to automatically qualify for the knockouts and also probably a play-in match. The only difference would be, for ease, the knock-outs would have eight robots rather than 16.

I picked Series 10 because it's the smallest, so it'd be easy to work with. CrashBash (talk) 20:16, January 5, 2020 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

Trial Events Elimination CompetitionEdit

Many reality TV shows take the one robot eliminated each round/discipline/event, a bit like The First and Second Wars with the Gauntlet and Trials. I know Gauntlet and Trials aren't particularly easy to judge, and we'd only need to use 11 or 12 machines, and what trials we'd use would be sorted later. Adster1005 16:00, January 15, 2020 (UTC)

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Audited War but each episode is a different formatEdit

We do a regular audited war with robots drawn into heats, but each heat is also randomised in its format.

  • Series 1/2 Gauntlet, Trial, Arena heat (6)
  • Series 3/5 H2H heat (8)
  • Series 4 3-way melee heat (6)
  • Dutch Wars/Semi-Finals Losers melee heat (6)
  • Series 6/7 4-way melee heat (8)
  • Series 8/9 Round Robin heat (8)
  • Series 10 Redemption bracket (6)
  • Annihilator heat (6)
  • Tag Team heat (Double the robots so two heat winners) (16)
  • 10-Robot-Rumble heat (10)

This is 80 robots, meaning the rest of these tournaments below can be split up with however many robots are needed.

  • Challenge Belt format
  • Pinball tournament
  • Sumo Basho Tournament
  • Gauntlet runs only tournament
  • Robotic Soccer tournament
  • (The Trial. A different trial each round to whittle down to a winner)
  • (Us Championship 1 6-way melees) (24)

This way we'd get a chance to try each format again and judge them differently, rather than the 6 months of head-to-heads we've had with Ragnabot. Some heats would have to have different number of robots in them compared to others, and some formats will have to host multiple heats. Plus the Pinball, Sumo Basho and Gauntlet don't need a specific number for them, so they can be used as sponges to pad out if required. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:59, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

I'm not going to lie, as complicated as this all sounds, I'd be legit curious to see how something like this would even turn out. CrashBash (talk) 19:16, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

BTW, how about a Football tournament to go with the Pinball and Sumo? CrashBash (talk) 14:53, February 7, 2020 (UTC)

The more I think about this idea, the more I like it. You could probably add Series 5/6 SF format (3 H2H plus loser's melee) to that list too. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:26, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

This sounds like fun. Series 4 or 7 are the most suited due to the relative consistency. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 03:01, February 7, 2020 (UTC)

I admit, having initially skipped over this idea, it does sound like a lot of fun. TOAST 09:49, February 7, 2020 (UTC)

I just realised, if we were to do, say, Series 4, 5 or 6 (with their 96 robots) and we already have 80 robots, then a 2nd World Championship format is also applicable, since that accounts for the final 16. Then we'd have 11 heats with 12 heat winners (since one is a Tag Team) and then the semi-finals could be any one of the six-robot formats. CrashBash (talk) 07:38, April 6, 2020 (UTC)

Series 5 but with 4 Way MeleesEdit

Not the most original ideas but one I'm kinda wanna do (even if it's not here but on user page/blog) plus it's an easy and relaxed one that could waste some time with. Basically, a retelling of Series 5, with the same Heats, robots and arguably same House Robots but in the style of a 4-way melee. Say for example Heat A would have Chaos 2 vs Storm Force vs S.M.I.D.S.Y. vs Obsidian as one battle (a combination of Battle 1 and 2 with the other melee combining 3 and 4). This could have some changes and shocks along the way, and who knows maybe we could have side events inbetween rounds (imagine Series 5 Sumo and Pinball!) I believe it may have been done on user blogs and I doubt it'll be too popular but I'll still submit it anyways. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:10, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

Yeah, I'd back doing this at some point (I'd happily host it too), but maybe not now, we should probably do something light to cool down after Ragnabot. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:39, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

Arena Champions TournamentEdit

While writing my new blog, I have inevitably collated a list of the tournament winners, and there's some surprising robots in there, plus some even more surprising multiple tournament winners. So here's an idea, why don't we host a tournament for all the tournament winners. After the Dutch Wars we will have our 50th tournament winning robot (counting the All-Stars and World Championships only from Extreme tournaments, splitting Tag Teams up and counting each victory by multiple winners). Perhaps we could lump all these robots into the same tournament.

I'm tempted to say that we could allow robots with multiple wins to enter multiple times, just making sure that each robot is a different version (if possible). It's like the ultimate Wiki All-Stars tournament, and I'm sure we can bulk it up with other Extreme tournament winners if we needed to find a few more robots to make a nice number for a format. Jimlaad43(talk) 14:36, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

I would be up for something like this. I keep intending to make a full list of all arena votes for each robot, but I just don't seem to get round to making it. Adster1005 14:40, March 10, 2020 (UTC)

Series 5 Re-RevisitedEdit

Two reasons for why I think we should do another Audited Series 5. Firstly, the original Arena Forum tournament was certainly one of the most open tournaments to have ever taken place, with many of the favourites heading out early and Wheely Big Cheese somehow making the final two. And secondly, I noticed a couple of people are really down on Series 5 in general. Why don't we revist it again and see whether Series 5 really is as open as it appears to be? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 11:41, March 15, 2020 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Series 5 + Extreme 1 + Us 1 + Dutch 1 could be the list of robots used for the Audited Different Formats championship if this is a popular thought. Jimlaad43(talk) 14:13, March 15, 2020 (UTC)
  • Audited Series 5 was my very first arena tournament all the way back in 2012, so it's certainly a possibility for me. TOAST 09:37, March 23, 2020 (UTC)

Series plus QualifiersEdit

So, this might be a completely random idea, but I thought it might be fun to propose anyway. We've done audited series now for almost every UK series plus US1. In all those cases, we've basically swapped robots around, so that certain robots get in at the expense of others - relatively simple. Meanwhile, I know a few people were not too happy with Ragnabot 3 using the qualifiers purely as an excuse to eliminate the clearly rubbish robots. So, I thought, what if we were to have an Audited Series, but the robots who weren't the seeds had to qualify for it...and we had to decide on the qualifiers?

What we'd do here is take all of the robots who qualified for a series (minus the seeds of course) and as many robots as we can think of who didn't. We then do a series of battles and use them to determine who makes it through to the main competition, which we'd then do as normal. Now, I'm sure people are going to argue we wouldn't be able to get exactly double the amount of qualifiers into the competition and you'd be right, not to mention this'd run the risk of genuinely good robots losing out (imagine if we did this for Series 5, and got S3 vs Disc-O-Inferno and then Juggernot 2 vs Monad), but there are a few ways around it.

  1. We have a series of 1v1s where the winners automatically qualify. The losers then go into a second set of qualifiers and the winners from those also qualify. In the likelihood of spaces still being left to fill, we can hand out discretionary places.
  2. For anyone who saw the King of Bots featherweight event in the UK, place the qualifiers in multi-bot rumbles and given them points based on who the winner is, who came second, etc. After each has three or four fights each, the points are tallied up and the top scorers go through that way.

Thought it would make a nice change from how we normally do things. CrashBash (talk) 18:23, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • This just seems like Audited Wars with extra steps. Plus we'd be having to judge a load of robots we have never seen, something I hate doing. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:52, March 22, 2020 (UTC)
  • I quite like this idea, I mean there is a slight concern with the non-qualifiers that we have literally no info on but it could work! Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:34, March 22, 2020 (UTC)

AllstarsEdit

As discussed on Jimlaad's blog, there could be a new "Allstars" competition, two of them in fact.

  • Version 1: Allstars from Series 1-10 plus the foreign series. So this could mean the likes of Razer, Pussycat, Panzer Mk4, Nuts, Sabretooth, Thor etc. fighting it out in a short competition (maybe six heats and a final).
  • Version 2: As Jim pointed out, we could have the champions (and maybe runners up/finalists) of each of our competitions on the arena compete in a small competition as with above's version.

CommentsEdit

  • To be honest, I'd be up for both of these. Adster1005 18:56, March 26, 2020 (UTC)

Tag Team Series 3Edit

A little less than three years ago now, we hosted Forum:Tag Team Series 5, a great little venture which paired all the Series 5 competitors on a team with their Round 1 opponent. This was a lot of fun and a fairly popular event, so I think we should repeat its success with the other head-to-head series, The Third Wars. How will Chaos 2, Hypno-Disc and Razer cope when they're forced to work with Crocodilotron, Robogeddon and Backstabber? Could there be quiet little success stories like Ally Gator and Corporal Punishment? I'd like to find out. TOAST 09:42, March 23, 2020 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

We only had Third Wars Tag Team last year, so I think we should wait until maybe next year before doing this one. Still, not a bad idea. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:01, March 26, 2020 (UTC)

League SystemEdit

So, since on the 3rd of August last year, I created a Round Robin with all Grand Finalists and some second-round Semi-Finalists (to create 40), and have been completing it for the last 35 weeks (with just 4 to go), and it gave me the idea of doing something similar on The Arena - create a league of all-stars, not quite all-stars, or even base it on an entire series (i.e. 96 Series 4 machines split into 4 leagues), pick a day to upload the matches every week, and just vote, and at the end, we crown a winner, and deal with promotion/relegation should we want to do it again.

I want to stress this wouldn't be an idea for a major competition, it would be something we run in the background. Adster1005 09:53, April 2, 2020 (UTC)

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Pioneer PandemoniumEdit

In case we ever get to a stage where we just want something small to work with, I came across an idea that could work if we get the right robots. If we were to go to the "weapon types" template and scroll through each of the weapons - as well as the "others" section such as clusterbots, axlebots, entanglements, etc - each of these pages starts by listing the pioneer of that weapon type. What if we pitted those pioneers against each other in a little mini-tournament? CrashBash (talk) 21:24, April 20, 2020 (UTC)

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US Robot Wars The First Wars Edit

So with the 1995/1996 articles up, this was an idea that came to my head recently and that is a recreation of the First Wars of Robot Wars, BUT with these "canon" US Robots (so for the sake of consistency no 1997 robots), in other words "what if Robot Wars was made in the US?" of course we'll be able to select the robots, randomise the heats (maybe like Series 1 we'll have a featherweight/lightweight Heat) and keeping the House Robots. Just an idea to pass around...Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:36, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • I think this could certainly be an interesting idea. I would give personal priority to robots that competed in a televised head-to-head, since it'd be easier to judge them than robots in a rumble. CrashBash (talk) 11:19, May 23, 2020 (UTC)

Post-Ragnabot 3Edit

As the Arena Forum's equivalent to the FA Cup draws to a close, it is now finally time to figure out what follows it. While I still have faith in my Survivor Series idea, there are two other suggestions that particularly appeal to me. These include Audited Series 9 where changes to the format would have certainly made this reboot series even better. But Dutch Series 3 sounds really interesting to me, and it would be nice to focus on a tournament without the British robots for a change. Are we just including Dutch and Belgian robots this time? Or are we going to essentially do a European Robot Wars tournament with machines from various non-British European countries? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:28, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind doing a non-UK tournament for once, I'd say from the three there, Dutch Series 3 is my favourite.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:29, February 6, 2020 (UTC)
Seeing as we've just had a tournament with every robot, perhaps it's the right time to do something like the Fictional Game Tournament, or something that plays around with the battle format. Surely we could do with a break from Head-to-Heads for a little bit. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:55, February 6, 2020 (UTC)
I'd be fine with Dutch Series 3. I'd obviously prefer it to be mostly Dutch and Belgian robots, but we could still throw in the likes of Mechaniac, Snake Bite and a few lesser German machines (maybe the World Championship qualifier trio?) in there as some guest fighters. I think the only British robot we'd need to have is Crushtacean, for semi-obvious reasons. CrashBash (talk) 13:58, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

Audited Series 9 for me feels like something we need to do in 2020 for the sake of checking it off the list. It was wise to skip it in 2017 amidst all the fan-made ones, but now that the dust has settled, it could be pretty fun. However, with the later stages of Ragnabot 3 being dominated by Series 9-10 machines, I think it's probably "the one to do afterwards".

Therefore our leading choice is Dutch Series 3. I'd warn off using German/Austrian/Swiss machines, but otherwise fill it up with every 2003 Dutch/Belgian machine, then fill the remaining spaces with Dutch Series 2 competitors that would be fun to judge, like Trazmaniac. One format idea would be five heats with a third place play-off in each, then find two Heat Finalist wildcards through a 5-way rumble, and one more Second Round Loser wildcard through another 5-way rumble, for eight finalists - but that's just one suggestion, of course.

Might come down to a two-horse race between Gravity and Tough as Nails, but there's enough competitors like Twister and Krab-Bot to make the competition alive. We'll need to pick a host, but it should be a nice fun ride. TOAST 15:50, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

I don't know if this is going to help or not, but I did find this regarding the article that Tough As Nails won prior to competing in Series 7. [1] It does list several robots that were in Dutch Series 2, and even from Dutch Series 1, but weren't in Series 7. Unfortunately, the source itself is virtually inaccessible, but it's something at least. I'm seeing there the likes of Sater, Philipper, Lizzard and even Spike, the sequel to Tyke. CrashBash (talk) 16:05, February 6, 2020 (UTC)
Instead of Dutch Series 3 we could call it European Championship so the Swiss, Austrian and Italian robots could also be included if we need to make up the numbers. Jimlaad43(talk) 16:17, February 6, 2020 (UTC)
Lets cross that bridge when we come to it. TOAST originally proposed a 30 robot competition, and we can probably get 30 robots from Holland and Belgium with the information we know. CrashBash (talk) 16:34, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps, having just concluded a tournament that's taken up over half a year's worth of debate here, we should have something light to cool things off a bit. I'd be fine with Dutch Battles 3, then maybe we could do Audited Series 9 and/or Audited Series 5 with a different format. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:37, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

I'd love a full European Championship at some point, but happy enough with Dutch Series 3. Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:12, February 6, 2020 (UTC)

I'll reiterate my thoughts again now that I've had a more proper read. Dutch Battles 3 makes the most sense for the next tournament as a light cool-down idea, but following on from that, I'm really taken by Jim's Random Format idea. Definitely want to get discussions going for that after DS3. It could take one series in particular, or even have nominated robots like A Fantasy Audited War. Either way, I'm down. TOAST 12:21, February 7, 2020 (UTC)

By my calculations, we'd need at least 80 robots to cover the first few available options, and then a minimum of 4 for the Challenge Belt heat (although it'll certainly be more). Basically, we could easily audit anything from Series 3 to Series 7 if we went the one series route. CrashBash (talk) 14:52, February 7, 2020 (UTC)
If the Audited Wars, alternate formats tournament is gaining traction, I'm happy for someone else to run it if it gets voted in over the Dutch Wars. After all, it would be different to Ragnabot in battle format, which TBH is the reason I came up with it. Jimlaad43(talk) 15:31, February 7, 2020 (UTC)
If I can weigh in, I think Dutch Series 3 would be best. It would be interesting to run a foreign series. Adster1005 15:54, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
Seems like Dutch Series 3 is leading for now. Seeing as Toast is unwilling to be host, I am happy to take charge if no one else wants to. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:58, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
I'm fine with with that, should we put it down to a vote? Or are we more or less decided.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:59, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
I'd say it's decided. Anyone against Dutch Series 3 hosted by Space speak here. Otherwise, we'll launch it after the Ragnabot 3 awards have been completed. On a side-note, is anyone up for Ultimate Free Pass version 2 with the qualifier losers? Jimlaad43(talk) 20:45, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
That'd be interesting. I'd be up for something like that, especially seeing as I missed the first. Adster1005 20:56, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
Sure why not, it'll be funny.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 21:02, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
UFP on a user page/blog or an official tournament before/concurrent with Dutch Series 3. Jimlaad43(talk) 21:08, February 8, 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we need to make too much of a fanfare about it. It could easily be done whilst Dutch Battles 3 is rolling. CrashBash (talk) 21:30, February 8, 2020 (UTC)

Post-Dutch Series 3Edit

We're getting to the end of another tournament, so it's probably time to start discussing what's next. Lockdown boredom is hitting hard, so the sooner we're ready to start, the better really. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:33, April 2, 2020 (UTC)

The previously nominated and supported tournaments were: Audited Series 9, Audited War with alternate Formats, Fictional Game Tournament and Survival Series. There are also a few other newly suggested tournaments which could be nominated (although not by me, my votes are for Audited Series 9 and Audited War with alternate Formats). Jimlaad43(talk) 13:33, April 2, 2020 (UTC)

Here's two more to throw in with the mix. The Robot Wars World Cup & Euro 2020, Robot Wars Style. Lewis05 (Talk) 15:25, April 2, 2020 (UTC)

I'd still be happy to do Audited Series 9, now that I no longer have any holiday plans, but I don't like voting for my own tournaments so I'm going to vote for Audited War with alternate formats. CrashBash (talk) 14:47, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
I'm going all-in for Tag Team Series 3. The Series 5 edition was a great time, and this would make a fun little stop-gap before Audited Alternate Formats. TOAST 14:51, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Not a fan of Tag team Series 3, we sort of done a Series 3 Tag Team earlier and honestly I'm not keen on Tag team competitions. Audited Series 9 is interesting and really enjoy I still holdout for Debut Wars to do that as it may result in very interesting results and the obviously my favourite is a Audited War with alternate Formats (Series 5 with 4 way melees? or Series 4 with a Series 10 format? AWESOME!) Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:00, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
I don't think you've truly understood the alternate formats tournament. We audit a series like 4, 5 or 7 as normal, but each heat has a different format with all robots selected at random. Heat A could be the Series 4 format, Heat B could be a Tag Team Terror, Heat C could be a Redemption Bracket, Heat D could be the Gauntlet etc. Jimlaad43(talk) 16:09, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Thought they were the same. Well in that case the idea I had suggested Series 5 with 4 Way melees. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 18:55, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Of the tournaments suggested, I strongly object to doing Tag Team Series 3 right now. Wait a year, and then maybe, as Diotoir has said, we did Third Wars Tag Team not too long ago. But I think Diotoir and Jimlaad have probably led me to back Audited Series 5 with four way melees, which also enables us to utilise US and Dutch machines to make up the numbers too. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:46, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Audited Series 5 with four way melees I'd be happy to host if you want me to. Also, having been reading some of the Series 7 League threads, the idea of doing Series 5 or 6 League appeals to me too. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:46, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
The only problem I have with doing something like a league at the moment is we had many months of head-to-head battles in Ragnabot, and we should really mix it up with alternate formats for a couple of tournaments so we're ready to go back to it. These last few special events in DS3 are good because it's variety from what we've had. That's why I'd prefer a tournament that isn't just head-to-heads all the way through. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:14, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Thought I've just had: how about, if we do Audited Series 5 with four way melees, we keep twelve heats, but then have a twelve way melee involving the heat runners-up, with the last four standing going through to a 16-robot semi-finals. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:30, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Or at the very least four three-way melees. CrashBash (talk) 18:33, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
I should point out that when I had initially suggested a Series 5 with 4 Way Melees, I did intend to be keeping the same heats and robots just as a 4 way melee rather than it being "audited" (see above: https://robotwars.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Discussion#Series_5_but_with_4_Way_Melees) however, if you really, really feel like having it audited with some of the Extreme 1 non showers then I bend the knee.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 18:55, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Well, where I stand is simple. If we're doing a Series but with the format of another series, then ideally we should keep the robots from that series regardless. That would be good to differentiate between the Audited series and the formatted series. CrashBash (talk) 18:58, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
What I was meaning was say Heat A of Series 5 competitors would remain the same as the ones seen on TV (i.e. Chaos 2 vs Storm Force vs S.M.I.D.S.Y. vs Obsidian as one of the melees) but like I said maybe (and judging by the results so far...) when I open up the discussion I may ask to vote for a "formatted or audited" Series 5. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:58, April 2, 2020 (UTC)

So, from what I can see, the options voted for in this particular discussion are...

  • Audited Series 9
  • Audited War with alternate formats
  • Debut Wars
  • Euro 2020
  • Robot Wars World Cup
  • Series 5 with 4/way melees
  • Series 5/6 League
  • Tag Team Series 3

That's eight (technically nine) options, so we need to narrow it down. Maybe we should all vote for one, and for the sake of fairness, pick a tournament that isn't our own. CrashBash (talk) 12:39, April 5, 2020 (UTC)

Seeing as I can't pick my own (Series 5 with 4 way melees) ;P I'll go for Audited War with alternate formats. Also you could have narrowed it down to the ones that got a lot of votes, some like Tag Team Series 3 got no support from anyone and Debut Wars didn't get much traction. I'd argue the most popular choices were:
  • Audited Series 9
  • Audited War with alternate formats
  • Series 5 with Four Way Melees

Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:51, April 5, 2020 (UTC)

If Series 5 with 4 ways melees does win, please don't keep the heats the same or we'll spend 50% of the time going "seen it". Jimlaad43(talk) 13:01, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
As I stated before I would open up a discussion saying if people want it audited or kept the same.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:29, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
For it to be compelling, it needs to be audited. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:31, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
My vote is also for Audited War with Audited Formats. And I recall Jim mentioning using Series 5 as a series to work it all with. If we were to pick that series, we could effectively kill Plunderbird and Lethal Swan with one stone. CrashBash (talk) 13:13, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
For now, I am backing Series 5 with 4 way melees. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:31, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
Audited Series 9 is the only one I can vote for that appeals at the moment. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:50, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
To reiterate, my primary vote is still Tag Team Series 3, but my next in line would be Audited War with Different Formats. We can worry about the specifics if it wins. TOAST 20:27, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
Not voting for our own stuff I'm afraid. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:06, April 6, 2020 (UTC)

I'd probably vote for Audited Wars with alternate formats as my first choice, followed by Series 5 with four way melees as my second. I'd also be comfortable with hosting the latter if I'm wanted to. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:07, April 5, 2020 (UTC)

I'd be the one hosting Series 5 4 way melees if it was chosen.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:06, April 6, 2020 (UTC)
I am also going for Audited Wars with Different Formats. NJGW (talk) 01:43, April 6, 2020 (UTC)
I'll vote for Series 5 with 4-way melees. Adster1005 09:13, April 6, 2020 (UTC)
Seems to me that Audited Wars with Different Formats is the clear winner, with five votes in its favour compared to two for Series 5 with 4 way melees and one vote for Audited Series 9. So, which series are we going to give the audited, different format treatment first? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:34, April 6, 2020 (UTC)
Just in case we do Series 5 afterwards, maybe do Series 4, 6 or 7? So we don't sort of repeat, of course it's all up to Jimlaad, I believe. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:38, April 6, 2020 (UTC)
Series 4, 5 or 6 would be perfect for the format, since they have 96 robots. We already have ten distinct heats which will give us eleven semi-finalists (since one is a Tag Team) and that involves 80 robots. If we use one of the trial events (like Pinball or Sumo, for example), we could throw in the remaining sixteen machines in there, and bang...we have our twelve semi-finalists. Maybe Series 4 makes the most sense given the robots there also did trials... CrashBash (talk) 19:41, April 6, 2020 (UTC)

Series 4 it will be then. It gives us a chance to use older versions of machines we saw in Ragnabot. I'll get it started tomorrow morning. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:53, April 6, 2020 (UTC)

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