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Planning to get this tournament started on Wednesday. So, let's begin to discuss how Dutch Series 3 should be structured. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:26, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

Judges[]

Currently, the Judges are Toast and Diotoir. As host, I give up my position, meaning someone else is required to fill the role. Any takers?

If possible, I'll throw my hat into the ring. Adster1005 16:04, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
I do think the role should return to CrashBash if possible, with Jimlaad as next-in-line. TOAST 11:57, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to take the role, but I'm happy to let someone else do it too. CrashBash (talk) 12:41, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
Diotoir and Toast, are you both willing to stay on? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 11:18, February 18, 2020 (UTC)
Yep. TOAST 11:41, February 18, 2020 (UTC)
I won't put my name forward for this tournament, I'm not as confident with Dutch robots so don't feel like the right person for it. I definitely support Crash taking the role. Jimlaad43(talk) 11:49, February 18, 2020 (UTC)
Diotoir, do you still want to be a judge?
Ah sorry about that, I thought I was automatically selected so didn't really bother saying anything. Yes I'll stay, I have knowledge on the Dutch Series (both series) having sat through it back to back for Foreign Favourites :P.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:55, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
OK, in that case, Toast, Diotoir and CrashBash will be our judges for this tournament. Sorry Adster, but I am not sure about your experience regarding Dutch Robot Wars, but try again next tournament. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:57, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
It's fine. Will definitely try again. Adster1005 16:43, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

30 or 40 robots?[]

The idea according to Crash and Toast was that we needed 30 robots. Based on the difficulties I had finding 40 robots without using almost every Dutch Series 2 machine (and then a few German robots), I believe 30 robots is ideal. But, does anyone want 40 machines? Curious.

Expand it to 40 if we find 40 robots, but from the sounds of it 30 is likely to be the number we have to go for. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:16, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

List of robots[]

So, who is going to compete? Need at least 30 robots, and based on Series 7, we have at least the following competitors:

  1. Bamm Bamm
  2. Gravity
  3. Hammerhead 2
  4. Hard
  5. Krab-Bot
  6. NEATer Machine
  7. PulverizeR
  8. Scraptosaur
  9. Tartarus
  10. Tough as Nails
  11. Twister
  12. Reaper NP2 (Possible, because of the fact that Sniper's team captain was part of the team)

We can probably add Philipper 2, based on it competing in Extreme 2. In addition, we know enough to include a few robots that failed to qualify for Series 7, including:

  1. RCC 2 (I believe we have a low quality video that showcases it in action)
  2. Slicer (Under Dutch Series 1 specifications)
  3. Sniper (Again, Dutch Series 1 specifications)
  4. Splinter (Under Series 5 specifications)

More machines are therefore needed. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

Just to let you know PulverizeR has been listed twice. Adster1005 16:23, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, correction made! Seeing as CrashBash has made a great list utilising Dutch Robot Games, I have removed the final list completely. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
  • Going off of Dutch Robot Games of 2003/2004 (estimated date) I'd be inclined to use machines such as these:
  1. Snake Bite (Swiss)
  2. The Black Beast (there was a successor created but can use original for simplicity sake)
  3. Sater (again we could use the successor or we could just keep it simple)
  4. Twisted Metal EVO (I know you've already put it up but just in case you wanna be creative, it could even have a flipper as an interchangable weapon)

If this might help, it might help: http://www.bugs.nl/media/source/rw/drg2003/ Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:00, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

Crash's suggestions[]

The discovery of details regarding the Dutch Robot Games live event Tough As Nails won prior to Series 7 proved to be quite useful in making this list. Anyone who was already in Series 7 is a must have as far as I'm concerned.

Dutch Robots[]

  1. Twister (must have)
  2. Gravity (must have)
  3. Scraptosaur (must have)
  4. Tartarus (must have)
  5. Tough As Nails (must have)
  6. NEATer Machine (must have)
  7. Hammerhead 2 (must have)
  8. Bamm Bamm (must have)
  9. PulverizeR (World Championship and defending champion)
  10. Slicer (tried to qualify, well represented)
  11. Splinter (tried to qualify, well represented)
  12. Sniper 2 (tried to qualify)
  13. RCC 2 (tried to qualify. Blackdevil Warzone is a valid alternative, or stick with Splinter)
  14. Alien Destructor 2 (DRG)
  15. Das Gepack (DRG)
  16. Sater 2 (DRG)
  17. Lizzard (DRG)
  18. Twisted Metal Evo (DRG)
  19. The Black Beast (DRG)
  20. Spike (DRG. Tyke is a valid alternative)
  21. Meshuggah
  22. Trazmaniac
  23. Slamtilt
  24. ODT-Zero

Belgian Robots[]

  1. Hard (must have)
  2. Caesar (tried to qualify. Pika 3 is a valid alternative)
  3. Philipper 2 (DRG)
  4. Project Two: Hex'em

British Robots[]

  1. Krab-Bot (must have)
  2. Edge Hog (DRG - was actually the runner up of said event, and wouldn't be an overpowered guest)

German Robots[]

  1. Reaper NP2 (considering its team and Sniper's team essentially collaborated....)
  2. I Bot One Beta (DRG)

CrashBash (talk) 16:05, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

Seems pretty good to me. The only concern I have is including Caesar, which according to Combatwombat only has an image linked to it and no footage. Would rather have Pika 3 or Snake Bite to be honest. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
Would prefer Pika 3 over Caesar. Adster1005 16:50, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
I mean we could have Snake Bite ;P but yeah I'm fine with Pika 3 or Caesar, but seeing as we only have a picture to go by for Caesar I'm more in favour of Pika 3. I was gonna do my own list but I think Crash has done a good job already :P Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 17:06, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
By my count, there's 31 there. We'd only have to get rid of one machine to make thirty, or bring nine in from DS2 to make 40. Adster1005 18:43, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
I'm all glad you like my suggestions, but do feel free to contribute your own, of course. I'm fine for Snake Bite too, BTW. CrashBash (talk) 19:00, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, I'm gonna see if I could get 40 competitors, may obviously split it up in two with the "top thirty" and the extra ten IF we do use 40 in the end...Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:05, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

Diotoir's Suggestions[]

Here's hopefully 40 competitors with the top thirty being 100% ones. Obviously for the tome being I may have just over thirty as I continue my search through DRG.

Top thirty (must haves for reasons mainly expressed above)

  1. PulveriseR
  2. Tough As Nails
  3. Twister
  4. Gravity
  5. Scraptosaur
  6. Bamm Bamm
  7. Hard
  8. Hammer Head 2
  9. Krab-Bot
  10. Tartarus
  11. Reaper NP2
  12. NEATer Machine
  13. Philiper 2
  14. Slicer
  15. Sniper
  16. RCC 2
  17. Alien Destructor
  18. Lizzard
  19. Twisted Metal EVO
  20. Pika 3
  21. The Black Beast
  22. I Bot One Beta
  23. Snake Bite
  24. Sater
  25. Spike
  26. Project Two: Hex'em
  27. Das Gepack
  28. ODT-Zero
  29. Splinter
  30. Impact

Extra 10

  1. Flextreme - Did fight in DRG, however it may have been in 2001/2002
  2. Trazmaniac
  3. Slamtilt
  4. IDO
  5. √3 - Fought in events around 2002-2003
  6. The Lethal Swan - Fought in events around 2002-2003
  7. Meshuggah
  8. Caesar
  9. Black Hole 2 - The rambot successor to Black Hole that appeared in DRG
  10. Edge Hog

Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 20:06, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

Toast's Suggestions[]

This is of course heavily based on CrashBash's list, with a few tweaks and no German/Swiss robots included.

UK Series 7 Competitors[]

  1. Twister
  2. Gravity
  3. Scraptosaur
  4. Tartarus
  5. Tough As Nails
  6. NEATer Machine
  7. Hammerhead 2
  8. Bamm Bamm
  9. PulverizeR
  10. Hard (BEL)
  11. Krab-Bot (RSA)

UK Series 7 DNQ[]

  1. Splinter
  2. RCC 2
  3. Sniper (let's just use Sniper 1 as it seemingly attempted to enter the German series)
  4. Caesar (no Pika 3)

Dutch Series 3 planned entry[]

  1. √3 (had a new design for Dutch Series 3 but we'll use the old one)
  2. Impact 2

Dutch Robot Games 2003[]

  1. Philipper II (BEL)
  2. Lizzard
  3. Alien Destructor II
  4. Das Gepäck
  5. Twisted Metal Evo
  6. Sater II
  7. Spike (Team Tyke)

For Fun[]

  1. Trazmaniac
  2. ODT-Zero
  3. Meshuggah
  4. Flepser
  5. Bloody Murder Weapon
  6. Scarab Bluemax

TOAST 12:30, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Just wondering whether we have footage of Spike, Sater 2, Black Hole 2 and others that apparently competed in Dutch Robot Games 2003? Would be nice to know, since it will make judging battles with them easier. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 11:06, February 18, 2020 (UTC)
[1] I found this for Spike. CrashBash (talk) 16:14, February 18, 2020 (UTC)
I believe there's some test footage of Sater 2 as well as a fight to download here: http://www.bugs.nl/media/source/rw/drg2003/nl-sater/ Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 17:07, February 18, 2020 (UTC)

I've put the two Sater II fights on YouTube: [2] [3] TOAST 22:56, February 18, 2020 (UTC)

Nice work folks!

Format[]

Got a couple of options here. They include:

  1. Option 1: Stick with Dutch Series 1 format. The only issue is picking wildcards for an eight robot Grand Final, which could be rectified by doing a five-way melee consisting of the heat finalists, then picking the three survivors.
  2. Option 2: Utilise Series 10's format. Wildcards are still an issue.
  3. Option 3: Toast's idea, involving keeping the format similar to Dutch Series 1, but with changes to how wildcards are picked. The five heat finalists are placed in a melee whereby the surviving two reach the Grand Final. Elsewhere, the Round 2 losers of each heat compete in a play-off to determine who enters the Second Round five-way melee, similar to Series 10's Rumble format. The winner of the melee also progress to the Grand Final.
  4. Option 4: Toast's idea, but with the Series 10 format.
  5. Option 5: Something else.

Option 1 (Stick with Dutch Series 1 format)[]

Option 2 (Series 10 format)[]

Option 3 (Toast's idea, Dutch Series 1 format)[]

  1. Resolves the wildcard issue quite nicely. Am tempted to pick Option 4, should others prefer opening three-way melees. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:26, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
  2. I'm a little torn between this and a four way melee format, as using this format sort of keeps tradition in a way but a four way melee is quite fun and a Hell of a lot more fun that a head to head. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:48, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
  3. Yeah, I prefer this method. But as Space says, will happily change if consensus says otherwise. Adster1005 16:07, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
  4. The four-way melee would only really work if we got 40 robots, and this works just as nicely. CrashBash (talk) 16:09, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
  5. Yeah, I'll go with that. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:27, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
  6. Although I don't really enjoy the big rumbles, I do enjoy the idea of having a third place play-off (with a purpose) in each heat, hence this structure idea. TOAST 12:32, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Option 4 (Toast's idea, four-way opening melees)[]

  1. BTW, if we do get 40 robots, I'm all for this idea too. CrashBash (talk) 09:22, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Option 5 (Something else)[]

  1. I'd suggest we do the 5-way melee with the heat finalists but for just one Wildcard place, leaving the Grand Final with 6 robots to be done in the same way as the heats. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:55, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
    So basically like BuggleBots then. CrashBash (talk) 13:22, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
    I confess I have no idea what BuggleBots is or their format, so that comment means nothing to me. Please elaborate. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:46, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
    It's a web-series with beetleweight robots. It's well worth a look. CrashBash (talk) 14:14, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Seeds[]

Some support for seeds in this tournament was noted. 5 or 10, though?

SpaceManiac888[]

If we are having five seeds, we may as well base it on Dutch Series 2 results!

  1. PulverizeR
  2. Philipper 2
  3. Scraptosaur
  4. Krab-Bot
  5. Bamm Bamm

Decided to place Krab-Bot above Bamm Bamm, since Crushtacean won its heat and had success in other competitions. Bamm Bamm... kind of didn't, but its win over Lizzard earns it a place in the top five regardless.

If we want to add another five seeds, here are my suggestions.

  1. Lizzard
  2. Twister
  3. Gravity
  4. Twisted Metal Evo
  5. Slicer

Lizzard outranks Twister because the former won its heat. Twister outranks Gravity and Twisted Metal Evo, because all three made it to the Heat Finals, but Twister was picked as a wildcard ahead of the others. Gravity outplaces Twisted Metal Evo because of the potential surrounding the new design. Meshuggah is not seeded because although a "Grand Finalist", it failed, unlike Bamm Bamm, to take full advantage of it, losing at an early stage. Slicer therefore gets the final spot, being the Dutch Series 1 champion looking to reclaim a title it never actually lost. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:26, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

Adster1005[]

If we're having a group consensus I'll weigh in, if not, feel free to delete. May I suggest:

  1. PulverizeR
  2. Philipper 2
  3. Scraptosaur
  4. Lizzard
  5. Krab-Bot
  6. Bamm Bamm
  7. Twister
  8. Meshuggah
  9. Gravity/Twisted Metal Evo/Pika 3
  10. Gravity/Twisted Metal Evo/Pika 3 OR Slicer, if we decide it's in.(one of two not mentioned above)

PulverizeR, Philipper 2 and Scraptosaur are self-explanatory, I'm putting Lizzard in at 4, despite it being a Grand Final first-round taller, it won it's heat and was Series 1 runner-up. I've then gone for Krab-Bot because it won Heat C, the same heat Bamm Bamm was in, and also fell in the first round. Twister reached the Heat Final, and Meshuggah reached the second round. Regarding the bottom 2 seeds, I don't mind which of the three take 9 or which of the three take 10, simply because they all have a reason to have a spot there. Pika 2 was Belgian Champion in Series 1, Twisted Metal Evo was a Heat Finalist, as was Gravity, but that performed well in UK Series 7, and then Slicer was Dutch 1 Champion. Adster1005 17:51, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

No Seeds[]

  • Dutch Series 2 didn't even come close to having a seeding system, lumping two of its three returning heat winners in the same episode. With the reboot of Robot Wars following this mentality too, I'd rather stick to true randomness. TOAST 12:13, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I'd prefer this too. I think it really worked in the context for the reboot and there's no reason why it shouldn't work here too. CrashBash (talk) 12:43, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
  • This is my vote too. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:56, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

Special events[]

Not sure about special events this time, as they haven't really been that popular as of late. The only idea I have is Germany vs The Netherlands, based on an idea some had back in Audited Series 6. We could perhaps do this after the main tournament ends. Other than that, nothing really, unless others have better ideas. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:26, February 16, 2020 (UTC)

  1. I mean we could have a Dutch Annihilator as that's the sort of special event that the European Robot Wars seemed to have missed out on whilst everything else did. We could literally use a bunch of round 1 losers for this (to give them a second chance perhaps?) plus it's an annihilator, it'll be fun seeing who would win out of a random batch of robots and the potential shocks as favourites lose.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:50, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
I'm straight up all for Diotoir's idea, especially if it is using first round fallers. CrashBash (talk) 16:39, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, an Annihilator would be interesting. May I also suggest a potential Tag Team Terror or even an International Tag Team Terror with German or British machines we might be using. Adster1005 16:55, February 16, 2020 (UTC)
I'm definitely all for the International Tag Team Terror. We could easily have four teams - one Dutch, one Belgian, one British and one German - and pull off something there. It doesn't have to be big, after all. CrashBash (talk) 09:29, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

With a format of five heats, we lose ten robots in the first round. Hence, I'd like to throw six of those robots into a Dutch Annihilator, and put the remaining four into a Netherlands vs Germany event, alongside two upper-tier robots that can contest with the likes of Ansgar 3 and (if included) Tsunami. TOAST 12:15, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

I'd also like to propose some weapon themed battles. Looking at our available possibilities, we'd have enough to do a Flipper Frenzy, an Axe Attack and a Battle of the Spinners. We may even have enough to do a Crusher Crunch-Up. CrashBash (talk) 14:29, February 17, 2020 (UTC)

If the idea of including Swedish, Swiss, Austrian and Italian robots is scrapped, why not do a European melee or something for robots like Snake Bite, Rawbot and maybe Topbot? But yeah, all we need is an Annihilator, Tag Team Terror and maybe a Trials-based tournament like Sumo Basho or Pinball and that'd probably be enough. Jimlaad43(talk) 14:40, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
Or a mini European Championship would be doable. CrashBash (talk) 15:10, February 17, 2020 (UTC)
Looking at the tournaments suggested, Netherlands vs Germany, Dutch Annihilator and International Tag Team Terror are the ones I am interested in doing. Trials-based tournaments generally have been unpopular in recent, so I don't feel they are required for this tournament. As for European Championship... I feel that it should be its own major tournament in the future, it certainly has potential. War of the Weapons might be a good tournament during the main tournament. The rest can probably be done afterwards. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 11:06, February 18, 2020 (UTC)

OK, looking at our options so far, I'm beginning to think maybe the annihilator should be adjusted to consider robots that finished in fourth place as well as first round fallers. Maybe a 50/50 split, or maybe even a 1/3 split. CrashBash (talk) 19:00, March 4, 2020 (UTC)

Looking at the fallers at the moment, Trazmaniac is defintely a candidate for the annihilator. On another note, I am planning to add the Axe Attack melee tomorrow, with the draw also being conducted at the same time. Is Splinter OK as a candidate? After all, side arms count, right? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 22:12, March 11, 2020 (UTC)
Of course...the axe is still one of its major weapons. CrashBash (talk) 04:56, March 12, 2020 (UTC)

We're almost at the final now, and my gut instinct is telling me that we should probably start thinking about our options for the special events. I've admittedly been thinking about the annihilator, and my personal nominations so far, with three fourth-placers and three first round-fallers, would be....

  • NEATer Machine
  • Hammerhead 2
  • Whoever places fourth in Heat E (PulverizeR may be a bit too OP)
  • Trazmaniac
  • Lizzard
  • Impact 2 (odd pick, but it was one of the few FRF to pick up legitimate votes in the losers melee - what kind of idiot voted for Caesar anyway? - so there's that).

Maybe a whisker early, but considering our stance with the annihilator, it seems reasonable to ponder. CrashBash (talk) 07:38, March 17, 2020 (UTC)

Those and Alien Destructor 2 sound pretty nice to me. So, what about Germany vs The Netherlands? For Germany, I was thinking Tsunami, Ansgar 3, Reaper NP2 and I Bot One Beta, whereas for The Netherlands, Das Gepäck, PulverizeR, Spike (because of Tyke) and √3. Finally, for the International Tag Team Terror...
  • UK: Crushtacean and Edge Hog.
  • Netherlands: Scraptosaur and Slicer sounds like a pretty cool team, although Sater 2 and The Black Beast, Gravity and ODT-Zero, or RCC 2 and Splinter could be alternatives.
  • Belgium: Philipper 2 and Hard.
  • Germany: Not sure about this one, trying to avoid I Bot One Beta and Reaper NP2 teaming if possible.

SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:21, March 28, 2020 (UTC)

Make sure v3 appears in one of these side events as it missed out on competing. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:37, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
Maybe Worteldrie takes place in Netherlands vs Germany instead of Gravity. As for the Tag Team, I think Meshuggah and Twisted Metal Evo competing would make an interesting team. Since they were friends in the actual series. CrashBash (talk) 13:41, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
√3 would be perfect for Netherlands vs Germany, just added it now. What about the German tag team? Struggling to think of a decent team that is neither underpowered nor overpowered. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:44, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
Well, my initial thoughts with a German tag team would have been Junkyard Queen and Golem, but based on what we know about the Dutch Robot Games, Junkyard Queen barely functioned and I'm not even sure if Golem was still around by that point. Delldog appears to have been, so how about it and Reaper, in a case of two robots with potential? CrashBash (talk) 13:52, March 28, 2020 (UTC)
Sure, Delldog seems fun to judge anyway. Does anyone object to the idea of Meshuggah and Twisted Metal Evo as the Dutch tag team? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:42, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

On another note, how are we intending the Netherlands vs Germany tournament to be set-up? Is the first round set-up as NvG, or is it just the final? CrashBash (talk) 10:35, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

Based on how the North vs South and Old vs New tournaments ended up with finals from the same group, I am going to ensure that a Dutch and a German machine meet in the final. Play it safe so to speak. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:42, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
Finally, I am planning to start both the Annihilator and Tag Team Terror at the same time tomorrow. Might as well have another event run alongside the Annihilator, to make it more than just one match per day. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:42, March 29, 2020 (UTC)
That works for me. CrashBash (talk) 09:29, March 30, 2020 (UTC)

Confirmed robots[]

The following got three votes and so are going to compete, no doubt about it:

  1. PulverizeR
  2. Krab-Bot
  3. Tough as Nails
  4. Gravity
  5. Scraptosaur
  6. Tartarus
  7. NEATer Machine
  8. Hammerhead 2
  9. Bamm Bamm
  10. Twister
  11. Hard
  12. Splinter (Series 5)
  13. RCC 2
  14. Alien Destructor 2
  15. Lizzard
  16. Twisted Metal Evo
  17. Sater 2
  18. Spike
  19. Das Gepack
  20. ODT Zero
  21. Sniper
  22. Impact

The others have two votes.

  1. Reaper NP2
  2. Philipper 2
  3. Slicer (Dutch Series 1)
  4. The Black Beast
  5. I Bot One Beta
  6. Project Two
  7. Caesar
  8. Trazmaniac
  9. Meshuggah

So, 31 robots. I am thinking of cutting Project Two due to the difficulty of judging it. In addition, credit to CrashBash, Diotoir and Toast for showing us footage of Spike, Caeser and Sater 2 in action. Before I do the draw, can I just make sure that such robots like The Black Beast, Trazmaniac and others will be in their Dutch Series 2 variants? Would make them easier to judge I suppose. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 23:16, February 18, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I definitely don’t want Project Two. One worth addressing is Impact, as I put forward Impact 2 on the grounds it was built for Dutch Series 3. It never fought on record so it’s not an easy one to judge, but I wouldn’t want to include the Dutch Series 2 version as it was totally destroyed and never to return. Would we be down with Impact 2, or just chuck in something else? I’d really like to Chuck in Bloody Murder Weapon, and would also sacrifice I Bot for that. TOAST 00:29, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Well, Impact 2 was never going to be super effective anyway, so how about we just have some fun with it. CrashBash (talk) 05:12, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Black Beast had Black Beast 2 which you can see on the article (The_Black_Beast?file=Blackbeast_2003.jpg ) we don't have any footage of it but it had an axe and was wedge shaped. I'm fine with it being the DW2 version.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:06, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Meh, considering that Impact and The Black Beast probably aren't going to be doing especially well in this tournament, we may as well give them the DRG versions. I will be keeping Twisted Metal Evo under its Dutch Series 2 version, though. Everyone else should be OK. As for Bloody Murder Weapon, I am not willing to include it for similar reasons to Project Two. Henceforth, I Bot One Beta just about gets in, similar to how Krab-Bot managed to gain entry into Dutch Series 2 in the first place. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:56, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Honestly if being hard to judge is the problem, a weaponless ramming Bloody Murder Weapon is much easier than the extremely unreliable I Bot One Beta. I wouldn't go out of our way to include a non-Dutch machine which is a headache to work with. Even if not Bloody Murder Weapon, just someone else from Dutch Series 2 like Bluemax or The Lethal Swan? TOAST 14:49, February 19, 2020 (UTC)
Well, we do have I Bot One Beta apparently working nicely in the Series 7 Qualifiers. OK, it was against two pretty poor machines, but still. Besides, the alternatives suggested are probably not going to get any further than I Bot One Beta anyway, so personally I wouldn't worry. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:32, February 19, 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus[]

OK, so an update I was hoping I wouldn't need to make. Last couple of days, I honestly haven't being feeling great. Based on a 111 call, I probably don't have Coronavirus and so am just left with the plain old manflu for now, but I am monitoring the situation for the two main symptoms regardless. So far, I am capable of updating the tournament for now. However, in the case that I get a particularly bad case of Coronavirus, Toast has kindly volunteered to take over.

In the mean time, the tournament will continue. However, I would like to discuss what our future plans for this tournament and for the Arena Forum in general should the current Coronavirus situation get any worse. Now before any of you get pedantic, yes I am aware that this is an online tournament that requires no gathering of people, unlike say sports or festivals. Nonetheless, I don't think it is fair to force a bunch of unwell users to vote when they are not in the best frame of mind. We want the tournaments to be fun, not a chore to go through due to a pandemic.

So please suggest ideas if you have any. Also, do feel free to state that you think you have the virus/may be quarantined, because I will be more than happy to let you and others take more time than usual to vote or even not participate at all under the circumstances. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:42, March 13, 2020 (UTC)

TBH, if I get the virus I'll be trapped in my room with my computers keeping me entertained. Having battles to vote for is the kind of thing I'd want. Anyway, the virus is less probelmatic in younger or healthy people so we shouldn't be like feverous and evil for weeks. It'll be a flu for 2-3 days max with just a few more days to recover/stop being infectious. C'mon, they've cancelled F1 and the football, please don't cancel this too. I've lost too much. Jimlaad43(talk) 19:48, March 13, 2020 (UTC)
That's why Toast is now the backup host, to avoid the tournament from being postponed at all. I am just trying to find a way where we can continue to run the tournament smoothly without Coronavirus ruining it. Wouldn't be great if only three people could vote... I think just giving more time before updating would be a grand idea, since Coronavirus apparently causes fatigue and what not, so more hours should = more opportunity for the ill to vote. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:59, March 13, 2020 (UTC)
Leeeeeets cross that bridge when we come to it. I think you're probably overreacting to how much it will affect people. Fatigue doesn't mean sudden inability to type three words of a vote by the way. Plus there's no guarantee we'll all get it at the exact same time. When a voter catches the virus, let's see how it affects them before we knee-jerk a response that is completely unnecessary for an online-based competition. Jimlaad43(talk) 22:20, March 13, 2020 (UTC)
If I had Coronavirus (which I'm pretty sure I don't ATM), I'd probably still find time to get on the computer to contribute to a tournament, as I'd get bored just laying in bed all day. CrashBash (talk) 07:03, March 14, 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, online activities are more needed than ever. We ma6 end up losing basically everything else, but the wiki we shan’t. TOAST 12:07, March 14, 2020 (UTC)

Grand Final[]

We have yet to discuss how the Grand Final will be structured. From what I can see, we can either A: Keep one-on-one matches, B: Have two four-way melees or C: Utilise the Audited Series 10 format. In each one, I will try and split machines that have already faced each other, if possible. Thoughts? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:29, March 23, 2020 (UTC)

I'd say stick to one-vs-ones. Adster1005 19:44, March 23, 2020 (UTC)
I'd rather use A or B, since that feels more akin to what Robot Wars was doing at the time. Given the circumstances, I'd be tempted to go with B. CrashBash (talk) 19:45, March 23, 2020 (UTC)
Actually, scratch that. Considering three of the eight robots are all from Heat D, option A seems like the most logical choice to avoid too many early repeat match-ups. CrashBash (talk) 10:08, March 25, 2020 (UTC)
When RANDOM.Org does the draw later on, Gravity may still meet Scraptosaur, if people are OK with this. After all, they haven't actually met yet. Will split Gravity and Tough As Nails, and Twisted Metal Evo and Das Gepäck, however. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 17:25, March 25, 2020 (UTC)
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