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#'''5th: Philipper 2''', '''6th: Slicer''', '''7th: Das Gepäck''', '''8th: Scraptosaur'''. Reviving a tradition I started back in A Fantasy Audited War 3, always like to see where the losers in the Last 8 would "officially" rank if they fought each other. Anyhow, this is really interesting, because all four robots are very durable and honestly kind of lack knockout power against each other. Really, the only machine I see being knocked out here is Scraptosaur, because although it will start off strongly with a few flips, it will not beat any opponent and will leave it vulnerable to being toppled by either Slicer's drum, or more likely Philipper 2's lifter. Of the remaining three, Slicer has damage potential, but this will weaken as the fight progresses, and is vulnerable to being pushed by Philipper 2 from both ends. Das Gepäck will be aggressive, but ultimately its high ground clearance makes it vulnerable to being wedged and pushed by both opponents. Ultimately, I see Philipper 2 winning the Jury's decision because plainly, I see it doing more than the rest, probably scoring the flip of doom on Scraptosaur. Slicer outranks Das Gepäck thanks to better damage inflicted. [[User:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#B7410E">SpaceManiac888</span>]] [[User Talk:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#228B22">(Talk)</span>]] 20:43, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
#'''5th: Philipper 2''', '''6th: Slicer''', '''7th: Das Gepäck''', '''8th: Scraptosaur'''. Reviving a tradition I started back in A Fantasy Audited War 3, always like to see where the losers in the Last 8 would "officially" rank if they fought each other. Anyhow, this is really interesting, because all four robots are very durable and honestly kind of lack knockout power against each other. Really, the only machine I see being knocked out here is Scraptosaur, because although it will start off strongly with a few flips, it will not beat any opponent and will leave it vulnerable to being toppled by either Slicer's drum, or more likely Philipper 2's lifter. Of the remaining three, Slicer has damage potential, but this will weaken as the fight progresses, and is vulnerable to being pushed by Philipper 2 from both ends. Das Gepäck will be aggressive, but ultimately its high ground clearance makes it vulnerable to being wedged and pushed by both opponents. Ultimately, I see Philipper 2 winning the Jury's decision because plainly, I see it doing more than the rest, probably scoring the flip of doom on Scraptosaur. Slicer outranks Das Gepäck thanks to better damage inflicted. [[User:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#B7410E">SpaceManiac888</span>]] [[User Talk:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#228B22">(Talk)</span>]] 20:43, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #To start off with, I feel like the two big guns here are Philipper and Slicer with the other two really easy for the picking. I'll say in '''8th: Scraptosaur''' simply because it can be flipped and defeated lot more easily than in '''7th: Das Gepack''' because it doesn't have much to fight back against as Slicer could tear into it, it can be flipped and honestly it's likely to be able to survive a lot longer (due to invertability). The two other are a lot harder to judge but I do feel like Philipper's durability and surprise attacks can allow it to flip and even grab onto Slicer, but then again Slicer is damaging...I'll say '''6th: Slicer''' and '''5th: Philipper 2''' [[User:Diotoir the son of nemesis|<font color="red">Diotoir</font><font color="black"> the</font><font color="red"> son</font><font color="black"> of</font><font color="red"> nemesis</font>]] ([[User talk:Diotoir the son of nemesis|talk]]) 10:29, March 29, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #So, I think that '''Das Gepäck will finish in 8th''', as I think that it will be subject to being pushed around and flipped by the other three, and it will end up in a CPZ, where a House Robot will cause damage to at least two of the six wheels, before Scraptosaur then comes in and leaves it resting against a side wall, where it's immobilised. I think that '''Scraptosaur will finish in 7th''', as it's gas will run out, and Philipper 2 will get a flip in and leave it for dead. Between the other two, it could go either way, but I think Slicer can get under Philipper 2 and Philipper 2 can flip Slicer. I'll go for '''Philipper 2 will finish in 6th''' because I think Slicer will be able to just breach Philipper and put in a few more good drives, meaning '''Slicer will finish in 5th'''. <span style="font-family: Courier">[[User:Adster1005|<font color="#191970">Adster</font>]][[User talk:Adster1005|<font color="#FF0000">1005</font>]]</span> 11:55, March 29, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #'''5th: Slicer, 6th: Philipper II, 7th: Scraptosaur, 8th: Das Gepäck'''. Scraptosaur to be flipped by Philipper only after it had already dealt with Das Gepäck, before Slicer beats Philipper on damage. <span style="font-family:Pirulen; font-size:10pt">[[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font><font color="ff8c00">'''OAS'''</font>]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font>]]</span> 15:55, March 29, 2020 (UTC) |
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#Like I said, Twisted Metal was doomed no matter who it faced. Gravity can flip it around with little issue. [[User:CrashBash|CrashBash]] ([[User talk:CrashBash|talk]]) 21:00, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
#Like I said, Twisted Metal was doomed no matter who it faced. Gravity can flip it around with little issue. [[User:CrashBash|CrashBash]] ([[User talk:CrashBash|talk]]) 21:00, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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#Gravity to take third in around 6 seconds I say? [[User:Diotoir the son of nemesis|<font color="red">Diotoir</font><font color="black"> the</font><font color="red"> son</font><font color="black"> of</font><font color="red"> nemesis</font>]] ([[User talk:Diotoir the son of nemesis|talk]]) 21:04, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
#Gravity to take third in around 6 seconds I say? [[User:Diotoir the son of nemesis|<font color="red">Diotoir</font><font color="black"> the</font><font color="red"> son</font><font color="black"> of</font><font color="red"> nemesis</font>]] ([[User talk:Diotoir the son of nemesis|talk]]) 21:04, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #I could see a vote for TME taking out Gravity's wheels, but I can also see Gravity sending TME off into the night sky, so yeah. That one will take precedence. [[User:Jimlaad43|<font color="black">J</font><font color="gold">im<font color="black">laa</font><font color="gold">d4</font></font><font color="black">3</font>]]([[User talk:Jimlaad43|talk]]) 21:11, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #Need to think about the melee a bit more. In the meantime, an easy decision here. [[User:Hogwild94|Hogwild94]] ([[User talk:Hogwild94|talk]]) 21:24, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #Yeah, I'll think that Gravity will just edge it... Hahaha. Yeah, right, Gravity will launch TME around the arena with ease. <span style="font-family: Courier">[[User:Adster1005|<font color="#191970">Adster</font>]][[User talk:Adster1005|<font color="#FF0000">1005</font>]]</span> 22:09, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #Fourth place for EVO will do just fine. <span style="font-family:Pirulen; font-size:10pt">[[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font><font color="ff8c00">'''OAS'''</font>]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font>]]</span> 15:53, March 29, 2020 (UTC) |
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#You know, regardless of whether this ends up as 7-1, 1-7 or a hotly contested final battle, I think it is really satisfying to see a Grand Final with neither spinners nor flippers. Two great crushers/grabbers, each with unique designs that make them instantly recognisable, what more could you ask for? Hopefully, Jimlaad will agree with me on this and rank this Grand Final decently on his list. Anyhow, onto the battle itself. I mentioned back during their encounter in Crusher Crunch-Up that I had no idea who to back in a one-on-one situation, only voting for Tough As Nails because I felt it could pitting the other two competitors. Even now, I find this a very difficult decision, because if they attack head-on, Krab-Bot will latch onto its opponent, while being stuck in Tough As Nails' deathgrip that will result in a stalemate. The teams will probably realise this, and so will seek to attack each other's flanks. Who will be more successful in this? Krab-Bot, in my opinion. Not only is it an agile beast compared to the sometimes cumbersome Tough As Nails, for once it actually has more to grab that way than its opponent! Indeed, a side-on attack by Tough As Nails seems awkward to achieve due to Krab-Bot's design, whereas Krab-Bot can grab via the holes in the pincers and the space between Tough As Nail's wheel and pincer. And if Krab-Bot reaches the rear, well, it has this one in the bag due to the grabbable mechanics, whereas it can probably escape the same fate if Tough As Nails evens gets lucky in the first place! So henceforth, I am giving this one to Krab-Bot, since it will withstand a head-on collision, and is more likely to grab its opponent's flanks than vice-versa, giving it the victory via a Jury's decision. [[User:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#B7410E">SpaceManiac888</span>]] [[User Talk:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#228B22">(Talk)</span>]] 20:43, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
#You know, regardless of whether this ends up as 7-1, 1-7 or a hotly contested final battle, I think it is really satisfying to see a Grand Final with neither spinners nor flippers. Two great crushers/grabbers, each with unique designs that make them instantly recognisable, what more could you ask for? Hopefully, Jimlaad will agree with me on this and rank this Grand Final decently on his list. Anyhow, onto the battle itself. I mentioned back during their encounter in Crusher Crunch-Up that I had no idea who to back in a one-on-one situation, only voting for Tough As Nails because I felt it could pitting the other two competitors. Even now, I find this a very difficult decision, because if they attack head-on, Krab-Bot will latch onto its opponent, while being stuck in Tough As Nails' deathgrip that will result in a stalemate. The teams will probably realise this, and so will seek to attack each other's flanks. Who will be more successful in this? Krab-Bot, in my opinion. Not only is it an agile beast compared to the sometimes cumbersome Tough As Nails, for once it actually has more to grab that way than its opponent! Indeed, a side-on attack by Tough As Nails seems awkward to achieve due to Krab-Bot's design, whereas Krab-Bot can grab via the holes in the pincers and the space between Tough As Nail's wheel and pincer. And if Krab-Bot reaches the rear, well, it has this one in the bag due to the grabbable mechanics, whereas it can probably escape the same fate if Tough As Nails evens gets lucky in the first place! So henceforth, I am giving this one to Krab-Bot, since it will withstand a head-on collision, and is more likely to grab its opponent's flanks than vice-versa, giving it the victory via a Jury's decision. [[User:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#B7410E">SpaceManiac888</span>]] [[User Talk:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#228B22">(Talk)</span>]] 20:43, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #What does Krab-Boi have on its side? The claws can lift. If Krab-Boi grabs TAN around the back and closes the claw, it could lift the wheels of TAN up slightly. Maybe not enough to fully lift it up, but enough to reduce its grip. As I have said in previous fights, the only way to stop TAN (apart from a powerful spinner taking out the wheels) is to out-push it. With reduced traction, Krab-Boi then has the power to push back, and I can see it doing that. TAN will have dutifully opened the pit, and Krab-Boi can dump it down, hoisting it by its own petard and doing what TAN has done so well all tournament. [[User:Jimlaad43|<font color="black">J</font><font color="gold">im<font color="black">laa</font><font color="gold">d4</font></font><font color="black">3</font>]]([[User talk:Jimlaad43|talk]]) 21:09, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #Going into the Grand Final, Semi-Finals, and seeing the match-ups, I kinda guessed that this would have been the Grand Final. What I didn't see is me voting for Krab-Bot. Every time I thought of this match-up, I'd have voted for Tough as Nails. But here I am, voting for Krab-Bot. Space sums the opening up greatly, and I do see both getting stuck in a stalemate. The holes in TaN's grippers look as if they could give Krab-Bot some leverage, but I see TaN escaping, and grabbing the back. I do see TaN having some pushes, but then Krab-Bot escaping. I do see the bar at the back of Tough as Nails being vulnerable to gripping by Krab-Bot, and this could be dangerous, especially if it were to push TaN into a House Robot and that could deal some damage. I wish I could use the rubber coming off of the wheel in the 3WC against it, but that seemed like a one-off, so I won't. This battle will be a good back and forth where each machine will have the upper hand, but I think Krab-Bot will just edge a Jurys' decision. With that being said, I would have loved to have seen this battle in real life. <span style="font-family: Courier">[[User:Adster1005|<font color="#191970">Adster</font>]][[User talk:Adster1005|<font color="#FF0000">1005</font>]]</span> 12:21, March 29, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #Neither robot is really well suited to grab the other, that much is clear. It feels like if one grabs hold of the other, the other will just slip away. Crucially, however, Tough as Nails is better designed to keep control of robots it can't actually grab. If Krab-Bot loses its grip on TAN, the Dutch machine will just slip away - there's no way a massive machine like that will fit Behemoth-equse in that gap between the pincers. But if TAN loses its grip on Krab-Bot, then there's a very good chance that the British machine will still be caught between the pincers, possibly at an awkward angle that it won't be able to drive away from. There's also the chance that it'll just slip away, but it's a 50/50 gamble and it's one TAN can and will exploit. If this lasts the full five minutes, then it's a fight I trust TAN to edge out on, certainly on aggression and all things considering, likely on control too...we know Krab-Bot was always a little slippery. [[User:CrashBash|CrashBash]] ([[User talk:CrashBash|talk]]) 21:05, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #I dunno, even with a smaller size and "roll ability"? I guess, I just can't see Krab Bot getting any purchase whereas I can see TaN even without actually clamping around it and I can easily see it just grabbing it and or scooping it around the arena and in the pit. [[User:Diotoir the son of nemesis|<font color="red">Diotoir</font><font color="black"> the</font><font color="red"> son</font><font color="black"> of</font><font color="red"> nemesis</font>]] ([[User talk:Diotoir the son of nemesis|talk]]) 21:14, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #Can't actually see Tough as Nails actually grabbing Krab-Bot properly unless it catches it from behind, which I don't see as, like its opponent, Krab-Bot is usually nimble enough to avoid getting caught like that. That said, I still see Tough as Nails just about dominating aggression sufficiently for the win here... [[User:Hogwild94|Hogwild94]] ([[User talk:Hogwild94|talk]]) 21:26, March 28, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #This is quite a frustrating vote to submit, because in my opinion, Krab-Bot has the tools to dominate this. Krab-Bot was always much better than Tough as Nails at grabbing at opponent and immediately accelerating them across the arena. However, the problem with Krab-Bot was its driving. Yes, it was well driven, but it wasn't kept well under control. There are multiple occasions in many a Krab-Bot fight where it swerves around, has a momentary lapse, and where it is imprecise. And if Tough as Nails grabs Krab-Bot even once in an awkward area with either a strong enough grip, or a grip at an angle to take one of Krab-Bot tyres off the floor, then it'll be punished for me. [[User:NJGW|NJGW]] ([[User talk:NJGW|talk]]) 01:35, March 29, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | #Ach, I was right about to vote for Krab-Bot until I read Nick's vote. He's not wrong, Krab-Bot probably will oversteer and get grabbed in that time despite otherwise potentially leading the fight. <span style="font-family:Pirulen; font-size:10pt">[[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font><font color="ff8c00">'''OAS'''</font>]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font>]]</span> 15:56, March 29, 2020 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 11:45, 30 March 2020
Welkom terug bij Nederlandse Serie 3. After five gruelling heats and two terrific five-way Rumbles, we are now down to our eight Grand Finalists. They include the former Dutch champion Slicer, former Grand Finalists in Krab-Bot, Philipper 2 (who has retained its Belgian crown!!), Scraptosaur and Twisted Metal Evo, and three machines who have never reached such heights in Das Gepäck, Gravity and Tough As Nails. And we certainly have variety in these mean machines, including grabbers, flippers, spinners and rammers, all of whom claim to have what it takes to earn the Dutch Series 3. But of course, only one can come out on top. So, LAAT DE FINALES BEGINNEN!
Eliminators[]
Krab-Bot vs Das Gepäck[]
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Philipper 2 vs Twisted Metal Evo[]
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Winner: Twisted Metal Evo (4-3) |
Tough As Nails vs Slicer[]
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Winner: Tough As Nails (5-4) |
Gravity vs Scraptosaur[]
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Winner: Gravity (7-0) |
Semi-Finals[]
Krab-Bot vs Twisted Metal Evo[]
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Road to the Grand Final
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Votes for Twisted Metal Evo |
Winner: Krab-Bot (8-0) |
Tough As Nails vs Gravity[]
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Road to the Grand Final
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Votes for Tough As Nails
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Winner: Tough As Nails (7-3) |
5th-8th Melee[]
Das Gepäck vs Philipper 2 vs Slicer vs Scraptosaur[]
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Road to the 5th-8th Melee
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Slicer |
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Scraptosaur |
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Results | Positions: 5th: Philipper 2, 6th: Slicer, 7th: Das Gepäck, 8th: Scraptosaur (1-1 Jury's Decision, Commentator's vote) |
3rd Place Playoff[]
Twisted Metal Evo vs Gravity[]
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Winner: Gravity (7-0) |
Grand Final[]
Krab-Bot vs Tough As Nails[]
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Votes for Krab-Bot
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Votes for Tough As Nails
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Winner: Tough As Nails (5-3) |