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Welkom terug bij Nederlandse Serie 3. For our final special event, we have decided to get personnal. For years, our neighbours in Germany have been gloating about their nation's performances against us for far too long. Indeed, for some of us, the heatbreak of the 1974 World Cup final still lingers, and so it is time to exact revenge, not in football, but with Robot Wars! Four German machines have challenged four of the very finest Dutch machines in a tournament where national pride is at stake. Who will come out on top? To find out, we must LAAT DE OORLOGEN BEGINNEN!

Round 1

I Bot One Beta (Germany) vs Reaper NP2 (Germany)

I Bot One Beta	Reaper NP2
Votes for I Bot One Beta And we start with a battle that is so comically cack, it will give the Dutch folk false confidence. But hey, at least one of these machines gets a win for a change! So, who would win had Ansgar 3 not been present in that World Championship qualifier? I narrowly back I Bot One Beta, because honestly, Reaper NP2 didn't seem like a great, reliable pusher to me, whereas the spinner can at least slam and cause some minor damage. A close one, but I think the damage output from I Bot One Beta should be enough for the victory. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 12:16, April 2, 2020 (UTC) Ironically, if you write this acronymically as IBOβ, it looks like IBOß, (IBOSS) in German, do I have no idea where all that came from. Anyway yeah, the spinners will probably cause minor damage which will be clearly enough to give it the victory when both robots do very little to each other. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:24, April 2, 2020 (UTC) I Bot One Beta to do little damage to Reaper NP2, and since Reaper cannot do much back, I think IBOB will take a Jury's decision. Adster1005 12:29, April 2, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Reaper NP2 If I Bot One Beta had any sort of punch to its spinning blades, I'd back it. But I don't. So I'll basically say that Reaper does not break down, but instead keeps pressuring it around the arena until it eventually manages to get it into the pit, or causes I Bot to break down itself. CrashBash (talk) 12:36, April 2, 2020 (UTC) A good few visually-decent drives to outweigh very mild scratches. NJGW (talk) 12:40, April 2, 2020 (UTC) Reaper NP2 at least displayed good speed in the Dutch Robot Games. IBOB kinda sorta maybe beat it in their televised encounter but let's avoid thinking about that. TOAST 15:05, April 2, 2020 (UTC) Can't really trust either to be honest; one good slam by Reaper may well knock them both out, so a default jury victory. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:40, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Reaper NP2 (4-3)

Tsunami (Germany) vs Ansgar 3 (Germany)

Tsunami	Ansgar 3
Votes for Tsunami And perhaps a dream match of sorts between the two best German machines in Series 7. For a shufflebot, Ansgar 3 is remarkably agile. But hardly anyone can outrank Tsunami in terms of agility, and eventually I see the compact flipper getting underneath Ansgar 3's rear. Now, Ansgar 3's additional weight will make it tougher for an out of the arena, but then again, this is Tsunami we are talking about, who tossed 100kg machines as if they were weightless. I see the out of the arena eventually occurring. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 12:16, April 2, 2020 (UTC) I don't think I'd expect an OOTA, but you never know. A side stranding is also possible, but regardless of if it's a Jury decision, OOTA or KO, Tsunami has this won. Adster1005 12:28, April 2, 2020 (UTC) Very easy for me. Tsunami is fast, nimble and can hurl Ansgar 3 from the wide sides or head on. The spinner honestly isn't good. I don't even rate it as decent - cutting into Reaper NP2, not damaging I Bot One Beta, and dying in one hit to a sturdy front wedge vs. Tornado and Storm 2 just shows it isn't a weapon anywhere near capable of worrying Tsunami. Tsunami to suspend Ansgar 3's long shape against the arena wall, and then to reverse, come in again and flip it over the arena wall. NJGW (talk) 12:44, April 2, 2020 (UTC) Surviving the blows in the initial charge, Tsunami should get under and flip Ansgar 3 willingly but it may go to the judges as I don't think Tsunami will KO Ansgar 3.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:51, April 2, 2020 (UTC) This is all very well and good, but you all have to remember, Ansgar 3 has no srimech. If Tsunami flips it over, isn't the sensible tactic to just leave it upside down? Given Ansgar's weight, I suspect Tsunami might just try to leave it, rather than risk anything. CrashBash (talk) 13:55, April 2, 2020 (UTC) well, yes, that in itself is a very fair point haha! NJGW (talk) 14:06, April 2, 2020 (UTC) A somewhat prolonged one-flip-and-done. TOAST 15:03, April 2, 2020 (UTC) Tsuanami can very likely get a flip on Ansgar before it gets seriously caught by the blade. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:41, April 2, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Ansgar 3 There is no way Ansgar is getting thrown out, it's too wide and heavy for that. Tsunami was torn apart by X-Terminator's disc, which was admitted by the team was nowhere near as heavy and fast as other spinners of the era. If Ansgar hits the front of Tsunami's flipper with its spinner, Tsunami will be catapulted away with some big damage to the flipper bit. With that damaged, I can't see it being useful for flipping, leaving Ansgar with more of the little robot to smack at. If the flipper is really damaged, it can get the spinner inside the front and hit the internals, eventually causing terminal damage. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:27, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Tsunami (7-1)

PulverizeR (Netherlands) vs Das Gepäck (Netherlands)

PulverizeR	Das Gepäck
Votes for PulverizeR Das Gepäck actually represents its own country for a change, but not for long in my opinion. Sure, PulverizeR is a decent shape to push around, but ultimately, I doubt this will really harm the spinner in the long run. With its greater damage output, PulverizeR is just going to cause massive cosmetic and structural damage to Das Gepäck overtime, negating any pushing the rammer can achieve. Therefore, Das Gepäck to survive to the end, but will lose the Jury's decision on damage alone. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 12:16, April 2, 2020 (UTC) PulverizeR can cause greater damage and aggression, and whilst Das Gepäck might be able to push around PulverizeR, I think the damage already taken by Das Gepäck will mean PulverizeR will take a Jury's decision. Adster1005 12:26, April 2, 2020 (UTC) I need to think about Tsunami vs Ansgar, but for the time being, I think PulverizeR, if we're assuming has its disc running, should probably edge out Das Gepack. It feels like it's better suited to cause damage than some other robots we've had Das Gepack lose to in this very tournament. CrashBash (talk) 12:41, April 2, 2020 (UTC) I'd consider going for Das Gepäck if it actually dominated Fluffy and pushed it around into notably areas consistently. But it didn't. It doesn't deserve any praise for doing what 101 did vs. Hypno-Disc, which is showing that's it's barely able to dominate a machine that has no pushing power and that has lost its weapon. PulverizeR was always lowkey well driven too. It stayed its distance well. I think it'll be fine ripping gashes into Das Gepäck's body over the course of the time limit. NJGW (talk) When asked why the team entered this special with Das Gepäck instead of Alien Destructor II, they responded with "because the producers told us to". TOAST 15:01, April 2, 2020 (UTC) On this occasion, dominating possession won't be enough for Das Gepack; PulverizeR's better damage will win the game. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:43, April 2, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Das Gepäck I dunno, perhaps Das Gepäck will just be an undamageable lump, with the vertical spinner only hitting the strong sides. Das Gepäck can push the axlebot around and get it into danger. What we also have to remember is that this is an international tournament, so sod's law states that PulverizeR's spinner isn't working anyway... Jimlaad43(talk) 12:28, April 2, 2020 (UTC) I agree with Jim here. The ramming ability of Das Gepack should control the fight by allowing it to survive the blows and get behind or around the sides to control PulverisoR all it likes. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:48, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: PulverizeR (6-2)

√3 (Netherlands) vs Spike (Netherlands)

√3	Spike
Votes for √3 The trio finally get to perform in Dutch Series 3. Against Spike, they have opposition that theoretically can kill them off within a blow or two. That is, IF Spike can achieve an accurate blow or two. Indeed, videos of Spike in action show that while it is indeed powerful, nine times out of ten it will usually miss its foe. Against three small competitors, this is going to cost it dearly. Worse still, Spike tends to jump when it fires its weapon, enabling the trio to easily get underneath and do whatever they can to trouble their bigger opponent. Henceforth, √3's superior control shall be enough to help them win via a Jury's decision. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 12:16, April 2, 2020 (UTC) √3 are more controlled, and if Spike jumps up, as Space says, the trio can get underneath and pushing Spike into a danger zone, such as a CPZ. Spike also has to kill two of these off, and since it's not very accurate, alongside the small machines, √3 will take a Jury's decision. Adster1005 12:24, April 2, 2020 (UTC) √3 will just swarm around Spike and bully it into the pit. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:29, April 2, 2020 (UTC) I don't think there will be a pitting, but Spike will need to be very lucky to land a blow on Worteldrie, so I suspect the clusterbot will win on a judges' decision...like it usually does. CrashBash (talk) 12:37, April 2, 2020 (UTC) Swarmed.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:46, April 2, 2020 (UTC) √3 to dodge hits until Spike dies. TOAST 15:02, April 2, 2020 (UTC) Yeah, Spike isn't going to get a hit on any of the triplets, who can gang up on it around the sites and eke their way to victory. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:44, April 2, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Spike
Winner: √3 (7-0)

Round 2

Reaper NP2 vs Tsunami (Germany)

Reaper NP2	Tsunami
Votes for Reaper NP2	Votes for Tsunami Whoever won the first battle, it didn't matter, because Tsunami will easily throw both I Bot One Beta and Reaper NP2 out of the arena. But hey, at least Reaper NP2 finally got a win in this series. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:33, April 3, 2020 (UTC) Technically, both these fights are rematches. But Reaper NP2 can't do the same strategy it tried with Not Perfect, not that this worked anyway, so Tsunami will certainly throw it out. CrashBash (talk) 21:40, April 3, 2020 (UTC) Tiiiime toooooooo, say gooooodbyyyyyyyeee. Jimlaad43(talk) 21:53, April 3, 2020 (UTC) One flip knocks Reaper out; Tsunami can try and OotA it if it wants, but it will matter not. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:54, April 3, 2020 (UTC) Tsunami beats Not Perfect 2 all over again. TOAST 22:20, April 3, 2020 (UTC) Y.E.P.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:02, April 4, 2020 (UTC) Tsunami will repeatedly throw Reaper NP2 over. Easy win. Adster1005 14:47, April 4, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Tsunami (7-0)

PulverizeR vs √3 (Netherlands)

PulverizeR	√3
Votes for PulverizeR Ultimately, while this battle was a lot closer than I previously thought, it appears √3 just could not find a way for their aggression to outweigh the immense damage PulverizeR inflicted prior to one of the trio losing its wheel. Henceforth, while I doubt the trio will make the same mistake again, the damage they will accumulate will be too much for them to turn the tide of battle, losing via a Jury's decision. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:33, April 3, 2020 (UTC) What I got out of the actual fight between these two was that all Worteldrie could actually do was hinder PulverizeR. They seemed to be completely unable to push it, at least not properly. And when you can't push a robot with that dangerous of a flywheel, you're not going to win. It's as simple as that. Especially given how exposed two of the three parts' wheels were. CrashBash (talk) 21:42, April 3, 2020 (UTC) 1.73205080757/100 chance. Jimlaad43(talk) 21:54, April 3, 2020 (UTC) Yeah, I must go with the same logic as the actual fight; any minor aggression the triplets can manage will be outweighed by PulverizeR's damage/aggression. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:55, April 3, 2020 (UTC) I can't disagree. TOAST 22:21, April 3, 2020 (UTC) Don't wanna say we've seen it but...it was very convincing and well, we saw it already.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:03, April 4, 2020 (UTC) As much as I want to vote √3 to win, we kinda know PulverizeR's damage will outweigh the trio's aggression. Imagine if we put √3 in the Annihilator, I always wanted to see Gemini in the Annihilator. Adster1005 15:01, April 4, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for √3
Winner: PulverizeR (7-0)

Clash of the Champions

Slicer vs PulverizeR vs Tough As Nails

Slicer	Votes for Slicer
PulverizeR	Votes for PulverizeR PulverizeR working double duty here. So, I think the new champion has its work cut out, because not only is it facing two awkward opponents, but two awkward opponents that can swarm it. If Tough As Nails attacks Slicer, PulverizeR can just destroy Tough As Nail's vulnerable rear and wheels. If Tough As Nails attacks PulverizeR, Slicer can bounce Tough As Nails away, causing some decent damage to the rear. So, unless Slicer and PulverizeR decide to fight it out first, Tough As Nails is doomed no matter who it faces here. As for the battle of the spinners, PulverizeR feels a bit more secure and unlike Slicer does not need to conserve energy. It will probably secure a knockout or at the very least a victory via the Jury. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:08, April 5, 2020 (UTC) Can't really argue with Space's logic. I'd have PulverizeR defeat Slicer as is anyway. CrashBash (talk) 10:36, April 5, 2020 (UTC) Yeah, agree with Space. Adster1005 18:20, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
Tough As Nails	Votes for Tough As Nails These are still two robots that are certainly well shaped to be pitted. PulverizeR wil really struggle to deal with TAN if it gets in the claws, and I don't see TAN being vulnerable to Slicer's spinner one bit. The wheels of TAN will be fine, and as it can't be outpushed, it's got an easy task here. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:20, April 5, 2020 (UTC) PulveriseR is not too impressive...it's disc is more of a Matilda-esc disc, in other words it slower and is more useful in throwing robots upwards that causing proper damage (which may be a reason why it performed so badly in the UK) and if I'm honest so is Slicer. Tough As Nails is a perfect machine to clasp around and pit either opponent and really just to win it can do just that to one of them, to score large amount of points. The claws will protect it and the control will be key.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:27, April 5, 2020 (UTC) I agree that PulverizeR's spinner wasn't great but what about it makes it comparable to Matilda? Her weapon wasn't slow and didn't just throw robots upwards - it caused unprecedented damage and explosive moments from the moment it was created. Even when it was less consistent in its debut campaign in Extreme it still created big, brutal moments. NJGW (talk) 13:24, April 5, 2020 (UTC) Matilda's flywheel is probably the best spinner out there, but what I was trying to compare/say was and I believe that Matilda's flywheel was built to spin "slower" or rotate in a slower fashion that allowed it to cause so much devastation. PulveriseR seemed to be a "slower rotater" which is why it seemed to lift robots more than actually shredding damage.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:27, April 5, 2020 (UTC) I voted for PulverizeR in a bout involving these two previously, but as decent a machine as Slicer is, I don't think its presence can affect this battle against Tough as Nails too much. I think it'll target PulverizeR head on this time, and without a Gravity to immediately punish vulnerabilities, Tough as Nails will be okay. Can see Slicer itself deliberately meandering around while these two have their personal tussle decided in the opening moments, and then Tough as Nails presses through in a one on one between the two remaining. NJGW (talk) 13:24, April 5, 2020 (UTC) Normally, I'd say Tough as Nails would be vulnerable in being unable to attack both spinners at once, leaving it vulnerable to attack from the other while dealing with one. However, I suspect the team will have anticipated that, and target PulverizeR, the one more likely to cause severe damage, first. Once it's been dealt with, Slicer will fall like a domino. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:15, April 5, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Tough As Nails (4-3-0)

Final

Tsunami (Germany) vs PulverizeR (Netherlands)

Tsunami	PulverizeR
Votes for Tsunami To be fair, if Tsunami and PulverizeR collide head-on, chances are Tsunami will lose and get thrown into the air onto its back. If this keeps happening, PulverizeR should easily win this one. However, the main issue with PulverizeR is that it is too damn sluggish, continually exposing its sides against lesser opponents. This is fine against such foes, but not against the super quick and agile Tsunami. Eventually, I see Tsunami getting underneath the rear of PulverizeR, which is perfect for the German flipper to push and toss out of the arena. Germany once again beats The Netherlands. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:08, April 5, 2020 (UTC) The question here is, will Tsunami avoid choosing against following through with deciding to not abstain from throwing PulvierizeR out of the arena.....CrashBash (talk) 10:34, April 5, 2020 (UTC) Upon rewatching some of PulveriseR's battles from DS2 I am little mixed about is actual potential. I can't say it weapon was too good at much and it seemed to always struggle with control, with that in mind I say Tsunami is gonna have a VERY easy time here.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:56, April 5, 2020 (UTC) Tsunami has lost to a flywheel before, but that won't hurt it here. PulverizeR should stay in the arena as its a plenty awkward shape to stop Tsunami getting a good enough grip to do it without a bit of luck. One awkward landing and the disc will stop spinning, and it's all Germany from then on. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:22, April 5, 2020 (UTC) PulverizeR not as good a spinner as X-Terminator I fear, Tsunami can better it even if it doesn't get the OotA. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:16, April 5, 2020 (UTC) PulverizeR's disc will eventually give in, and Tsunami will capitalise from there. Adster1005 18:46, April 5, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for PulverizeR
Winner: Tsunami (7-0)