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Robot Wars Extreme is in full flow now, and it's time for the second heat of the Redemption Championship. So what if your battle record says you're a loser, we all know your robot is great. In a tournament designed to allow this problem to be fixed, we will make winners from a bunch of not-winners. It's time to sort out those Win/Loss ratios!

Round 1

Chimera2 vs The General vs Meggamouse

Chimera2	The General	Meggamouse
Votes for Chimera2 Everyone has brought wheels into the arena, so that becomes a moot point. The General and Meggamouse took some persuading by Carbide to die, whereas Chimera2 just stopped against Concussion. The General has a nice looking weapon, and Meggamouse can easily slip under Chimera to flip them. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:42, May 17, 2017 (UTC) The General could cause some buckling but Meggamouse is certainly the strongest and will flip Chimera2 about.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:54, May 17, 2017 (UTC) Can't argue with Jim. The General will look aggressive with those churning blades and Meggamouse is probably the most potent in the battle with the flipper, but the weakest against both of those weapons has to be Chimera2. Combatwombat555 (talk) 10:57, May 17, 2017 (UTC) Chimera2 to be flipped and subjected to corporal punishment before being immobilised. VulcansHowl 11:12, May 17, 2017 (UTC) I imagine a tag team of Meggamouse and The General will be too much for Chimera 2. S256 11:50, May 17, 2017 (UTC) The other two are competent machines in their own right. Chimera has failed at that twice now. Raz3r(talk) 12:17, May 17, 2017 (UTC) I keep forgetting to update the Chimera2 article because the team told me how it became immobilised - the scoop was bent inwards, jamming the wheel. That could well happen again. TOAST 15:27, May 17, 2017 (UTC) I feel this side is convincing enough. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 15:28, May 17, 2017 (UTC) Chimera2 just feels much more open and vulnerable. At least I feel like The General will keep trundling along. Nweston8 (talk) 16:11, May 17, 2017 (UTC) I think Meggamouse is underrated, at least in my opinion. Anyhow, I think it will be to control the battle, by flipping both of the invertible machines, earning a nice sum of aggression points. Meanwhile, although affected by the flips, I can see The General causing some decent cosmetic damage to both opponents. Because of this, I think Chimera2 will go out on a Judges' decision, seeing as I feel it will not be able to counteract with aggression of its own. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:46, May 17, 2017 (UTC) You're not the only one who thinks Meggamouse is underrated.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:01, May 18, 2017 (UTC) Not much any of the robots can do to each other TBH, but I'd say Chimera 2 is definitely the weakest link and the most vulnerable. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:08, May 17, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for The General	Votes for Meggamouse
Eliminated: Chimera2 (11-0-0)

Cobra vs Apex vs Tauron

Cobra	Apex	Tauron
Votes for Cobra	Votes for Apex	Votes for Tauron Tauron is the weaker link here I fear. Cobra can push, and as long as it avoids Apex it will be fine, but Tauron's dreams could be crushed if it gets pushed, or Apex annihilates the sides. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:42, May 17, 2017 (UTC) Tauron is the weakest, it can be rammed by Cobra and Battered by Apex.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:54, May 17, 2017 (UTC) Was impressed by Cobra (and I feel it maybe should have won that melee), Apex's bar looks vicious and should really have gone further in Series 9 with a kinder draw, Tauron... Well, ignoring the conking out in the melee, it just seems the most vulnerable here with the massive boxy sides ripe for an Apex attack or for Cobra to ram. Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:00, May 17, 2017 (UTC) I have to say, while I'm not confident about Apex's chances in the later stages of this tournament, at least its one-hit immobilisation was directly caused by Pulsar's drum hitting its bar and destroying the motors and bearings inside. Tauron, on the other hand, died as a result of a side-on shove, which I can see Cobra doing very quickly before allowing Apex to beat it into a pulp. VulcansHowl 11:12, May 17, 2017 (UTC) Those flat sides are going to get pounded... and that's before I consider how much blutack is holding in the link. S256 11:50, May 17, 2017 (UTC) Cobra really ought to have gone through in its round 1 melee. Agreed with CW on Apex as well. Tauron is susceptible to big hits from Apex, and Cobra can easily ram into its sides without having to worry about damage. Raz3r(talk) 12:21, May 17, 2017 (UTC) We don't know how Tauron would cope against a crusher, but we do know how it copes against spinners. TOAST 15:27, May 17, 2017 (UTC) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Tauron is a good machine, it really is. But the link was too easily removeable and so until it returns at some point it will be regarded as a rather rubbish machine all because of its link. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 15:28, May 17, 2017 (UTC) I actually think Cobra will consistently keep Apex down to speed and really cause it trouble, but Tauron still feels the most vulnerable to taking a massive side-on hit. Nweston8 (talk) 16:11, May 17, 2017 (UTC) I remember prior to its heat, some people would not stop talking about Tauron and how it could have done well. Some of those people were the same that had criticised the hype of Foxic in Series 8. This just tells me never to hype a robot until seeing it in a televised battle, or if it had done well in the prior series. Anyhow, as others have mentioned, Tauron's link is just too exposed to the shocks from both Apex's disc, and Cobra's pushing power. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:46, May 17, 2017 (UTC) Cobra is probably the weakest robot in principle here, but in practice, I can't see Tauron not fizzling out again. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:09, May 17, 2017 (UTC)
Eliminated: Tauron (0-0-11)

Round 2

Apex vs The General

Apex	The General
Votes for Apex Apex took a fair whack from Pulsar's drum, I'm surprised it didn't rip the spinner off altogether! That said, there is no way The General's weapon will be anywhere near as powerful as Pulsar to OHKO Apex. Easy win as the ill-advised wheels will be made to regret being BROUGHT INTO THE ARENA. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:17, May 18, 2017 (UTC) Apex probably doesn't have the same power as Carbide, but still THERE ARE WHEELS IN THE ARENA. ACTUAL WHEELS. IN THE ARENA. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:22, May 18, 2017 (UTC) I don't think the wheels will be staying in the arena, put it that way. TOAST 23:34, May 18, 2017 (UTC) The General's discs probably are not as powerful as Pulsar's drum, so I do not expect a knockout from them. Ultimately, this will mean that Apex should gain the upper hand, attacking and likely removing at least one of The General's wheels. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 06:45, May 19, 2017 (UTC) If the weapon gets up to speed the tires will be coming off! Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:00, May 19, 2017 (UTC) SHE'S UP TAE SPEED NOW BOYS... and then off came the wheels. S256 08:35, May 19, 2017 (UTC) "One wheel on our wagon, and we're still rolling along," sing Team General, before Apex rips the other wheel off. VulcansHowl 09:11, May 19, 2017 (UTC) Shouldn't be much trouble for the more potent and less vulnerable spinner. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:04, May 19, 2017 (UTC) It is ill-advised to enter the Robot Wars arena with your wheels exposed CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 18:42, May 19, 2017 (UTC) Eventually, one of those wheels will come off. Raz3r(talk) 19:13, May 19, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for The General
Winner: Apex (10-0)

Cobra vs Meggamouse

Cobra	Meggamouse
Votes for Cobra Cobra will have to survive a few flips, but I can see them pitting Charles and pushing Meggamouse around freely. Fopje Flauw Mopje! (That's the only Belgian I know. Google it, it's hilarious xD) Jimlaad43(talk) 23:17, May 18, 2017 (UTC) Cobra doesn't mind being flipped in the slightest, it's very aggressive, and it held its own against two vastly better flippers than Meggamouse. Meggamouse might get the odd flip in but it'll get dominated. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:27, May 18, 2017 (UTC) This is a toughie, but Cobra survived god knows how many flips from Behemoth and Eruption and still worked fine so I'm confident it'll put up with whatever Meggamouse can throw at it. I can't see either weapon being terribly effective here, so it'll probably go to the judges. If Cobra can get purchase with that crusher, it might just swing it, though it'll be very close. S256 08:35, May 19, 2017 (UTC Tornado v Gemini on a newer scale. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:34, May 19, 2017 (UTC) Eh, can't see Meggamouse managing to flip or lift Cobra effectively. Cobra should be able to get a decent grip and control effectively. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:06, May 19, 2017 (UTC) Cobra's got the quicker speed and pushing power. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 18:42, May 19, 2017 (UTC) I can't see Meggamouse doing anything more than flicking against Cobra. Cobra, on the other hand, can easily push the two-wheeled machine around to win on aggression. Raz3r(talk) 19:17, May 19, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Meggamouse Hmm, Cobra is a robot that will have to win through lots of pushing and aggression, do they have the experience to collect a win like that over a seasoned flipper? The crusher will be useless, so I think Charles will impede the drives of Charles and allow Meggamouse to score some crucial flips. TOAST 23:34, May 18, 2017 (UTC) One of the better advantages Meggamouse has is that it has great control. Indeed, I remember being in attendance at a live event in Colchester, whereby Meggamouse was able to beat two of its three opponents by controlling their movements and pitting them, ultimately picking up the victory. Henceforth, with the assistance of (Craig) Charles, I actually see Meggamouse being able to control Cobra, by flipping it a couple of times, and preventing the rambat from being able to push Meggamouse sufficiently to score aggression points. Therefore, I reckon that either a Judges' decision will allow Meggamouse to win via aggression and control, or simply using its flipper to control Cobra's movements into a well-deserved pitting. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 06:45, May 19, 2017 (UTC) MeggaMouse has the better control and is going to be the more aggressive pursuing Cobra and flipping it about. Cobra is a great robot but it's very flippable and seemed to bounce every time it rammed an opponent causing to the go out of control it seemed, aggressive yes but not damaging, whereas MeggaMouse could cause internal damage.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:02, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
Winner: Cobra (7-3)

Special Event - Vengeance

It's time for another vengeance battle, and this one is a doozy. After their clash in the All-Stars earlier, Pulsar are not happy with Thor. They claim they could have won had the two fought head-to-head. And who are we to deny an oppurtunity like this?

Thor vs Pulsar

Thor	Pulsar
Votes for Thor Whilst Thor was bested by Concussion, and I feel Pulsar, on a good day, is superior to Concussion, I just can't trust Pulsar's reliability. CrashBash (talk) 08:39, May 20, 2017 (UTC) Okay, this is going to be an essay. Just because Thor failed to beat a drum in Concussion, doesn't mean it'd lose to another drum in Pulsar - they're two different type of drums and their drums are situated in different positions. Concussion's drum against Thor is a defensive drum. It meant that Concussion could play things sluggishly and just keep its drum pointed towards Thor. Because its drum is so low down, it meant that there was always the potential to sweep under Thor and flip it from the lowest point; whereas Pulsar's drum is high up its own wedge, so unlike Concussion, Pulsar is going to have to force its drum into an optimised position by being aggressive itself. In other words, Pulsar cannot play this battle tactically because it isn't set up to do so - both in terms of the position of its drum and just how naturally quick and aggressive Pulsar is. Concussion vs. Thor was a tactical battle, whereas Pulsar vs. Thor will be a fast-paced driving match where both machines move around and probably don't interact with each other much. In Concussion vs. Thor, the emphasis was on Thor to try to move Concussion around, because Concussion's drum position meant it could play the battle defensively, but Pulsar cannot grind down Thor in the same way as Concussion did - it's a robot just not set up to play a battle tactically by slowing the pace of a battle down. Pulsar is also not going to get in as many hits as Concussion. Thor had to try to manoeuvre into a position to threaten Concussion because it was holding its own ground, but Pulsar, again, is going to try to take the battle to Thor as much as Thor tries to take the battle to it. All I can see is Thor and Pulsar both driving around, getting a hit in on each other here and there without knocking each other out, and then Pulsar suffering from a drive problem or a drum problem. Let's not forget, that despite its technical troubles, Thor lasted to a Judges' decision in the Heat Final against Concussion, and only lost against a one sided drive Concussion in the Head-to-Head because it didn't leave it to get counted out. Sure, Thor has bugging issues, but Pulsar's are consistent in virtually every single battle, and Thor, despite not maybe being as potent as it can be offensively, can still outlast Pulsar, which won't do enough to grind Thor down like Concussion did. Nweston8 (talk) 13:16, May 20, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Pulsar I can't trust this Thor's reliability either. Once flipped by the drum, Thor will be stuck upside-down like against Concussion. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:50, May 20, 2017 (UTC) I would have initially said Thor, but given that the S9 Thor was beaten by drum spinners twice, and assuming that Pulsar actually has enough spares this time, it might just offset Pulsar's stellar-- I mean, rubbish, reliability. S256 09:24, May 20, 2017 (UTC) Both unreliable but Thor seemed to be the worse off, if it were the Series 8 Thor I'd say over wise but this is going to be the Concussion fight only more power behind the drum.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:47, May 20, 2017 (UTC) Agreed with Diotoir. Thor seemed weaker in Series 9, and they already lost to a weaker drum spinner in Concussion, who weren't exactly reliable themselves. Raz3r(talk) 10:00, May 20, 2017 (UTC) Thor no doubt had some technical problems in Series 9, plus the accuracy of its axe was not great. But perhaps most importantly, Thor had Co2 issues with its canister. As noted in its battles with Concussion, Thor could easily be flipped over, and thus have difficulties being able to self-right, thus providing Pulsar with chances to knockout its opponent before its reliability gremlins strike. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:19, May 20, 2017 (UTC) I'm afraid Pulsar is just so much better than Concussion, and if it can beat Thor twice (albeit one was a bit of a fluke), Pulsar should manage this fine. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:44, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
Winner: Pulsar (6-2)

Pulsar gets its revenge...and a guaranteed place in a later tournament. Keep that in mind.

Heat Final

Apex vs Cobra

Apex	Cobra
Votes for Apex Cobra will have those wheels removed and the rest of the robot pulverised. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:51, May 20, 2017 (UTC) Cobra is fast and could stop the weapon from getting up to speed, but I reiterate, Cobra is almost too fast for its own good and tends to flip flop about upon ramming an opponent. Apex can get the weapon up to speed and eventually take out a tire.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:45, May 20, 2017 (UTC) I trust the spinner better against the exposed tyres. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:45, May 20, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Cobra A tough one, but I trust Cobra to weather Apex's first blow and then control the battle from there. CrashBash (talk) 08:39, May 20, 2017 (UTC) With the previously-unseen anti-spinner wedge installed, I can easily see Cobra deflecting Apex's first couple of blows before pushing it and causing it to either flip over or break its own motors and bearings. I've heard Craig Danby saying that Apex can self-right through the use of its spinner, but even so, I'm not sure how long Apex can last without having its internals destroyed through Cobra's collisions and the recoil of its own bar. VulcansHowl 09:07, May 20, 2017 (UTC) Cobra wasn't afraud to mingle about with the other robots. It'll get stuck in right away, before Apex's bar gets up to full speed, and then denying that bar any opportunity to get up to any sort of speed.. S256 09:24, May 20, 2017 (UTC) Cobra will know that they will be pretty messed up if they allow Apex time to spin up. If they survive the first attack, they should be able to control Apex quite easily with some pushing and rams. Does anyone have figures for how long Apex's spinner took to reach top speed? Raz3r(talk) 10:03, May 20, 2017 (UTC) Cobra has some side protection to the wheels, so Apex's disc will not be able to tear them apart that quickly. Plus, as VulcansHowl has mentioned, Cobra has an 8mm HARDOX lifting wedge that is designed to combat spinners. Hence, I believe that Cobra should be able to charge into Apex in a similar fashion to Cherub against PP3D, only this time there will be no controversy as Cobra should be able to slam into its opponent, preventing the disc from working, and thus controlling the battle from there. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:19, May 20, 2017 (UTC) The only chance Apex has to get up to speed is by doing it straight away, but Cobra will be in its face just as quickly. This should prove to be a dominant driving masterclass from Cobra, which will probably KO Apex with via an arena hazard at some point. Nweston8 (talk) 01:41, May 21, 2017 (UTC)
Winner: Cobra (6-3)

Apex reached its peak, but suffered a deadly snake bite. Cobra goes through to the Redemption Championship final, where it now faces Rapid

Grand Final

Rapid vs Cobra

Rapid	Cobra
Votes for Rapid Rapid may be a poorer version of Eruption when all is said and done, but that pretty much guarantees its victory in my eyes. We saw that Cobra was very, very easy to toss around the arena, and that won't score it high in control, whilst it will score Rapid high in aggression. I suspect it'll last to the judges, but Rapid takes it. Surprise, the winner is the one robot in this tournament that actually won a battle IRL. CrashBash (talk) 05:08, May 22, 2017 (UTC) Flip and flip and flip...just like real life.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:00, May 22, 2017 (UTC) Rapid gets the redemption it deserved after their withdrawal. Jimlaad43(talk) 07:51, May 22, 2017 (UTC) Anyone up for robot ping-pong? I'm not sure if Rapid will be able to finish it off but it will dominate the fight. S256 08:43, May 22, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Cobra
Winner: