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I want to use this page to discuss possibilities of a certain robot winning a single battle, or not dropping out, or if a seed had changed. Use this page to break into subsections.

Anyone is welcome to add their own "what if", as long as they have reason to believe it would be worth discussing.

However, please do not add your opinion to a section if all you are doing is agreeing fully with what was said.

This needs archiving, it's becoming quite big. Jimlaad43(talk) 11:54, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

It's been over a year. This page definitely needs at least the top 100 archived. It's getting enormous. Jimlaad43(talk) 21:02, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

There's nothing stopping you from archiving the page yourself. Preferably split this page into two archives of 50 sections, keeping the final 32 sections on here. 21:06, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Apart from the facts that A: I did not know I could, and B: I have no idea how too. Jimlaad43(talk) 21:11, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Done. Jimlaad43(talk) 16:17, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Gravedigger in Series 4

What would have happened in Heat G if Gravedigger's flipper was working? How would it have fared against Kronic the Wedgehog and Thermidor? It lost because the flipper malfunctioned and so it couldn't self right. My opinion:

• If Gravedigger is eliminated: no change.
• If Thermidor II is eliminated: Kronic narrowly beats DNXP1, and Gravedigger beats DD2 for the second year running. I reckon Kronic would win the heat final, but Pussycat would beat it. Kronic gets the #16 seeding next year.
• If Kronic is eliminated: Gravedigger beats DD2, and Thermidor 2 beats DNXP1. I think Thermidor II will win the heat final. We know what happened next...

Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:17, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Corkscrew Two's weapon working in series 7

If Corkscrew Two's weapon got working, how would it have fared against Judge Shred 3, Demolition Man and Mute? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:52, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

In most other heats, I'd say that a weapon like Corkscrew Two's could do a fair amount of damage and it'd probably get through. Against two well-armoured flippers that are on the whole too low to hit when it's been flipped and the blade's positioned at the top of the robot, I think Corkscrew's had it. Maybe Judge Shred will have a little more damage by the end, but I wouldn't mind betting that Corkscrew Two's still going OotA. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:51, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Revolution 3 pits Ceros

What if Revolution 3 had actually stayed mobile, pitted Ceros to win, and then went through to face St Agro in the Heat H final? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

St. Agro has a good enough wedge to keep getting underneath Revolution 3 and throwing it over, which would probably cause it to break down. Failing that, St. Agro might get it OotA- it's not a bad shape to throw around- or just win the judges' decision on aggression. Revolution 2 would do better to be honest, it's harder to throw around and stands a better chance at getting the wheels with the massive blades. It's a little annoying that the team switched from a great looking design that worked a little to a boring generic box that didn't at all. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:54, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Revolution 3 out in round 1

And pertaining to Heat H, what if Revolution 3 had actually been ruled immobile and The Scrapper went through to face Ceros instead? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 20:13, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as The Scrapper apparently had a drive fail simply by Revolution 3 ramming into it a bit, I think it's safe to say that it's not the most reliable of machines. Ceros' flipper wasn't bad, and can probably throw The Scrapper around enough to invoke the breakdown. If not, I can't really see The Scrapper causing enough damage to Ceros to sway the judges. If by some miracle The Scrapper does manage to beat Ceros, it's of no consequence, St. Agro would dispatch it easily enough in the final. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:02, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Fluffy in series 7

How would the judges have voted in Heat F if Fluffy hadn't suddenly lost mobility? Would this destructive machine have made it to round two? I think that it might be put through on damage, and instead Constrictor goes out. In round two, Tsunami washes Fluffy away, possibly OootA.Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 23:20, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

S3 in series 5 final

I know this would've been controversial, but what if S3 had been given the win over Razer, and the world champions went out of the competition instead. How would they have fared in the last four? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:22, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that would happen. Razer was winning by far before the judges' decision, S3 was smoking and had done pretty much nothing all battle. If S3 did miraculously get the decision, it's against Firestorm, which beat it in series 6, and then Hypno-Disc in the play-off: against a powerful horizontal disc that can get the wheels, I think S3's done for. Combatwombat555 (talk) 19:36, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

And Firestorm would probably beat Bigger Brother. Therefore Firestorm becomes Fifth Wars Grand Champion.

So, onto series 6: the top seven seeds would be: Firestorm 4, Bigger Brother, Hypno-Disc, S3, Chaos 2, Razer and Dominator 2.

• Heat A: Firestorm beats WASP, Brutus Maximus followed by Cyrax and sends Raging Reality over the edge.

• Heat B: H-D destroys Cedric and Megahurts, followed by Colossus and then the aluminum box that is XT.

• Heat C: Dantomkia. That is all. It happened in real life.

• Heat D: Dominator 2 makes holes in all of its opposition and unanimously wins the heat.

• Heat E-I: same.

• Heat J: Razer blows Sumpthing's engine and does the same to Axe-C-Dent. It then punctures SMIDSY and precipitates Hydra!

• Heat K: The two spinners send 4x4 back to Ireland and Granny's Revenge to the old folks' home. Then S3 faces a huge upset - it was never a fan of flipper-wedges, and while it may do some damage to Bulldog Breed, I honestly think the Staffordshire boys have a better chance of winning. The fourth seeds become a victim of their own flipper-prone design. Bulldog Breed then beats Barber-Ous.

• Heat L: The self same.

• Semi 1:
  • Firestorm vs Wild Thing: Wild Thing has little (if any) chance. The top seeds take this one.
  • Hypno-disc vs 13 Black: H-D has one disc, 13 Black has two... one too many. The Banbury boys will most likely take this one.
  • Dominator 2 vs Dantomkia: Dantomkia will flip D2 over and possibly out!
    • 13 Black vs Wild Thing vs Dominator 2: Interesting one this! I think Wild Thing will damage 13 Black considerably, but D2 will get its revenge from Extreme 1. D2 for me.
  • Firestorm 4 vs Dantomkia: It starts with Fire and ends with Storm. The DTK boys may have beaten Chaos 2 but they won't beat Graham and Hazel.
  • Hypno-disc vs Dominator 2: HD can do D2's wheel in, even if the armour is good and the wheel guarded. I'll assume HD wins.
• Semi 2:
  • Bulldog Breed vs Tornado: How reliable was the bulldog? Well, I'll assume Tornado has its scoop, so it can push the dog all around the arena, and I think it will win on control and aggression.
  • Bigger Brother vs Razer: Razer will probably win, judges decision.
  • Spawn Again vs Terrorhurtz: No change.
    • Bulldog Breed vs Bigger Brother vs Spawn Again: I think Spawn Again will lose. Bigger Brother vs Bulldog Breed, I think the one with the better flipper will take it. I'mma go with Bigger Bro.
  • Razer vs Tornado: Tornado may or may not use the anti crusher frame.
  • Bigger Brother vs Terrorhurtz: same
• Final:

If Razer beats Tornado:

• • Firestorm vs Terrorhurtz: Terrorhurtz loses like in real life. It is demoted to play off like in real life, but it won't be against Firestorm.
  • Razer vs Hypno-disc: HD will do more damage to Razer than Razer will do to them, and Razer will face TH.
    • Razer vs Terrorhurtz: The sixth seed takes the bronze medal.
  • Firestorm 4 vs Hypno-disc: It will be a closely fought fight. I think Firestorm will edge it though.

If Tornado beats Razer:

• • Tornado vs Hypno-Disc: Tornado, with the scoop, is easily allowed to outclass the Rose family. The third seeds are demoted to the play off...
    • Hypno-disc vs Terrorhurtz: ...where they tear Terrorhurtz to polycarb pieces.
  • Tornado vs Firestorm 4: Tornado wins like in real life.

In the Extreme 2 All stars, Bulldog Breed takes S3's place, but I don't think it will last long with Firestorm and Bigger Brother in there.

Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:41, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Vader in series 7

Vader went out in the first round heat after breaking down. What would have happened if the robot hadn't suddenly ground to a halt? Would it still have been beaten? And if it did go through, how would it have fared against Pussycat or Roobarb? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:32, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Interesting one, it really depends which robot M2 goes for first, it's got the beating of both of Vader and Tiberius 3. For the purposes of this, though, I'll assume Tiberius is sent out in the same way Vader was. Vader faces Roobarb... I might be slightly biased here (Roobarb's one of my favourite robots) but I think it'll win here, it's obviously going to take damage from the disc but Vader can't self-right and Roobarb's flipper is arguably better than M2's for just tipping a robot over... Although to be honest it makes very little difference in the end, I can't see either of them beating M2 in the heat final. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:21, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Bigger Brother, Extreme 2 Allstars

I heard someone say that if Bigger Brother had had more CO2 it could've beaten Firestorm 4. What if it had? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:13, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, not sure it would. Firestorm's ground clearance was exceptional; Bigger Brother's was pretty good, but it still needs to get around the side or back to do that, whereas Firestorm can just sweep underneath and throw it over again. If Bigger Brother does manage to outflip Firestorm and probably take it on the judges' decision, it's against Razer, which happened, and I can't see it changing. Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:16, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Trouble N Strife in series 5

What if they had shockingly knocked out Wild Thing in the first round? Now that would have been interesting. My prediction is that they would've easily beaten Napalm but lost to Prizephita. Prizephita would've then lost to Chaos 2 and then again in the losers' melee to S3 alongside Spawn Again. Not sure about series 6 seeding. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:22, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Griffon

What if the judges hadn't been arrogant about Griffon and given the poor robot a seeding and left either Mortis or Killertron unseeded instead? It was unseeded even though it reached the top 6 in the First Wars. Let me know what you think below. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:16, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

This is a difficult one because I'm not sure the seeding really meant an awful lot in the Second War, I guess all it would mean is that you wouldn't come up against another seed until the semi-final at the earliest. However, that doesn't answer your question, so for argument's sake I'll suggest that Killertron goes unseeded, Cassius and Chaos move up, and Griffon takes the sixth seed. That puts Cassius in Killertron's heat (Heat E), Chaos in Cassius' (Heat H), and Griffon slots into Heat B, with Killertron taking Griffon's place in Heat C.

Heat B: If we take the same Gauntlet performance as each robot actually managed, then unfortunately Griffon falls at the first hurdle: travelling only 3.4m leaves it bottom of the leaderboard, so Death Trak survives. For the Tug of War, I'm going to suggest Death Trak lasts longer than Tantrum and Wheelosaurus, it looked to have chunky tyres so fairly good grip and traction, maybe lasting 20 seconds or so. This would mean that Mace fights Wheelosaurus and wins- the flail should do damage to the pram wheels and I can't really see Wheelosaurus doing anything in reply- and Leighviathan fights Death Trak, with Leighviathan taking it after repeatedly wedging underneath. Mace wins the heat final in the repeat.

Heat C: The now-unseeded Killertron's 10.3m is more than enough to see it through the Gauntlet, taking fourth place and eliminating Challenger. Killertron had a high ground clearance which would count against it in the Joust, but I still think it could outscore Rameses II, it's faster and would cover the distance quicker. First fights fourth, so Mortis fights Killertron, and Killertron's plastic lid won't stand up to Mortis' axe in a fight that would deserve to be far later in the series. The rest of the fights are repeats, and Mortis takes the heat.

Heat E: I can see no threat to Cassius in this heat. It completed the Gauntlet, so is easily through and eliminates Pain. The one potential danger may be in an over-willingness to attack the House Robots in the King of the Castle, but I would argue that Cassius could throw at least one of Shunt and Matilda over and ultimately survive, topping the leaderboard. Cassius fights ORAC and easily wins (look at the ground clearance!) before tipping over Technophobic in the heat final.

Heat H: Chaos managed to complete the Gauntlet so tops the leaderboard in Cassius' place. It isn't as good for ball control as Loco, but still scores a goal to come second, again in Cassius' place. Chaos fights Wizard, a fairly easy victory through shoving and jabbing, before doing the same to Loco (possibly exploiting the large ground clearance) in the heat final.

Semi-Final 1: The only real differences in the semi-final line-ups are that Cassius swaps semis, taking Killertron's place whilst Chaos moves into the second semi-final in Cassius' spot. Cassius, shockingly, only made 5.15m in its run, lower than all others on the leaderboard. This is where I'm going to have to ask for other opinions: because of the differences in layout of the Gauntlet between the semi-finals, and because the distances covered in the real Semi-Final 2 were far shorter than in Semi-Final 1 (all in the second semi but King Buxton achieved less than Mace's 6.9m), do I eliminate Cassius, or assume it should have gone further than it actually did and put it through? Combatwombat555 (talk) 00:35, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Ewe 2 beats Tetanus Booster

What if Ewe 2, and not Tetanus Booster, had been declared the winner of that round 2 battle in Heat E? Some say it was quite a controversial decision.

Well, it faces Tornado in the heat final. If we assume that Tornado wins, then nothing else changes. If by some miracle it manages to beat Tornado (probably with its flipper, not entirely impossible), it goes through to face Raging Knightmare in the semis. These two fought in the annihilator, and Raging Knightmare went through because it was a more competent self-righter, but then RK was flipped over by Ewe 2 as well, but I'm going to assume RK goes through where it faces Gravity. Here, Gravity chucks the knight out, plain and simple. In the final, Gravity is beaten by Storm 2, but in the play off, they flip over X-Terminator like a pancake, and the bronze medal is for the Dutchmen's taking.

But I think it's more likely Tornado would beat Ewe 2, so nothing really changes in that case. Anyone agree/disagree? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:31, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Top 4 places get the top 4 seeds

As we all know, Series 6 was the only series where the top four seeds were awarded to the actual top four finishers, respectively, from the year before. I know that's bugged quite a few people, so here's my thought; whilst Series 2 would be impractical, and Series 7 lacked two of them anyway, how would Series 4 and 5 fared if the top four seeds were actually the first, second, third and fourth placers from previously, instead of what we actually got?

For the sake of argument, lets assume that the Series 4 seeds would have gone like this.

1. Chaos 2
2. Hypno-Disc
3. Firestorm 2
4. Steg 2
5. Razer
6. Panic Attack
7. Behemoth

And then the rest of the robots were as normal.

Alternatively, for Series 5, if the seeds had been...

1. Chaos 2
2. Pussycat
3. Stinger
4. Hypno-Disc
5. Razer

And then the rest were as normal.

In both instances, how would the heats have gone had these been the given ranks? What would have changed? CrashBash (talk) 23:12, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

In Series 4, Behemoth (it beat Mortis before and it could beat it again) and either Razer or The Morgue (depending on Razer's reliability) would reach the Semis, Firestorm 2 would go out in the Heats (Sorry Team Firestorm but your robot was not that good in Series 4 and Pussycat was at the top of its game at the time), Steg 2 still makes the Semis, Panic Attack not sure but probably still makes the Semis as it would end up fighting X-Terminator again (Sorry X-Terminator).

In Series 5, Stinger still out in the Heats, regardless of whether it fights Bulldog Breed 3 or Atomic 2 but the other four still make the Semis (sorry S3).--Nononsensecapeesh (talk) 15:04, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

So Stinger you reckon wasn't as good as in series 4? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:14, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

I just thought Bulldog Breed and Atomic would be harder for Stinger to beat in Series 5. That is not to say I don't think it would have stood any chance whatsoever.--Nononsensecapeesh (talk) 16:46, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Wild Thing in Extreme II

Let's assume that Wild Thing made one last appearance in the Extreme II all stars tournament and Chaos 2 never competed. How would the Adams Family have fared against Razer and 13 Black? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 14:34, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

No change, Razer and 13 Black still go through.--Nononsensecapeesh (talk) 15:06, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

i see Razer and Wild Thing 2 gang up on 13 Black to go through but Wild Thing 2 will lost to Spawn Again or Dominator 2 Spawn Again will throws Wild Thing 2 out of the arena. Dominator 2 will pepper-pot Wild Thing 2 for the win

Please, sign your name, as I keep telling you to do so. CrashBash (talk) 14:52, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Grim Reaper eliminates Big Brother

What would've happened in round 1 of Heat D of series 3 if Grim Reaper had been given the win over Big Brother, putting them through to face Sir Chromalot?

In said battle, Big Brother appeared to stop moving towards the end of the battle, but was given the win nevertheless. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 14:05, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Ultor probably would have won the heat and went on to lose to Mace. Badnik96 (talk) 23:29, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

But who would've faced Ultor in the final - Grim Reaper or Sir Chromalot, and why? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 23:32, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Sir Chromalot was the best built machine in the heat. It will push Grim Reaper and Ultor for the wins on judges' decisions but get flipped by Mace in the semi's. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 17:19, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Lightning's flat tyre

What if in the heat final against Gravity, Lightning's tyre was working properly? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 23:41, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Gravity still wins by getting under Lightning's spikes at the back. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 17:16, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Sumpthing being more reliable

What if Sumpthing didn't break down in its battles against Mousetrap in series 4 or Dominator 2 in series 6? I think in the fourth series it would possibly beat Mousetrap, they weren't on top form in the battle, as long as it doesn't get stuck on its axe. In the heat final, against Little Fly, they lose, and Little Fly loses to Stinger.

In series 6, if it beats Dominator 2, then S.M.I.D.S.Y. faces and beats Sumpthing, and Hydra beats Comengetorix, and then SMIDSY beats Hydra, (the 'SMIDSY beats Dominator 2' section should explain what happens next). D2 went through due to Sumpthing losing drive in one wheel even though it was on its side. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 11:46, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

PulverizeR in the European Championships

If PulverizeR didn't drive into the pit, what do you reckon would have happened in their battle against Razer? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 21:38, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

PulverizeR by that stage had apparently already lost its transmitter which was why it was driving erratically, so with control problems, plus the damage that had been sustained to the armour, I don't think PulverizeR would have been able to deal Razer enough damage to either immobilise it or take a judges' decision. If by some miracle it did, it's not getting past Tornado. Combatwombat555 (talk) 10:56, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Sir Chromalot with bar spinner

Sir Chromalot apparently was going to enter series 3 with a bar spinner on top, but had to be removed because it made the robot overweight. How would Sir Chromalot's heat have gone if it was allowed to keep it? Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:27, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Wild Willy given the win

What would have happened in Heat L of the Third Wars if Wild Willy had been given the win instead of Flip Flop Fly? FFF was put through to the second round despite only just being mobile, and Wild Willy nearly escaped. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 18:47, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

FFF only reached round 2 before losing. Wild Willy would've needed a miracle to beat Evil Weevil though. Sam (BAZINGA) 19:18, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I meant round 2, haha. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:20, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Haardvark in the Third Wars

What would have happened against Henry if their drive motor fuse hadn't blown? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 00:44, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

I believe Steg would have the measure of them in the following round. ToastUltimatum 01:21, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

Gravedigger flips Steg-O-Saw-Us

If Gravedigger had successfully flipped over Steg in that semi final battle, and went to Bodmin to take on the Beast, how would it have gone down? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:49, June 19, 2015 (UTC) I think that the battle would of been quite tedious at first due to the ground clearance of Beast of Bodmin but if Gravedigger manages to flip Beast of Bodmin,they would go through to the Grand Final. Scenario 1: Hypno-disc could get flipped over by Gravedigger resulting in Hypno-disc having to fight Firestorm in the Playoff. However I don't think Gravedigger would win against Chaos 2 I believe Chaos 2 had the more powerful flipper and would of won. Scenario 2: Hypno-disc uses its blade to bash and cut holes into Gravedigger and the battle between Chaos 2 and Hypno-disc would be the same. Playoff on the other hand I would say Firestorm would win because of control and aggression. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:18, June 22, 2015 (UTC)

If Beast of Bodmin is in working condition, they'd beat Gravedigger. If it suffers a breakdown like against Steg, then Gravedigger would lose to Hypno-Disc instead. ToastUltimatum 12:41, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Killertron competed in Series 3

I was curious to know what would of happened if Killertron entered series 3. Would Killertron do well i.e. get to the Semis or even the Grand Final, or would it be eliminated in the heats. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:18, June 22, 2015 (UTC)

That's a difficult one to answer properly because we don't know which heat it would have been in. However, looking at the winner or best couple of robots of each heat, we can get a rough idea of how well it would fare:

A: Without a srimech, Killertron is likely to be in trouble against Mace 2- it might start well, doing quite a bit of damage, but I think it's getting flipped over before the end.

B: Killertron should be able to beat Pitbull, mainly because it's too large to fit in the jaws, but Behemoth would probably achieve vengeance with a better scoop and again should flip it.

C: Blade might be a difficult prospect, with the good pushing power and strong armour- it withstood an axe blow from Shunt, so Killertron shouldn't penetrate it.

D: Nothing really in this heat to trouble Killertron, Big Brother only has a wedge and I don't think could topple it, and Ultor's axe isn't on the same level.

E: Chaos 2 and The Big Cheese are a class above, both would defeat Killertron with relative ease.

F: Killertron against Mortis would be a great battle to watch, the best axes of Series 1 against each other, but Killertron's wheelie bin lid would let it down. Gravedigger would also likely come out on top; again, no srimech for Killertron.

G: Steg-O-Saw-Us has great pushing power but no real weapons, Killertron could go to town on the top and probably win on damage.

H: Hypno-Disc against a plastic wheelie bin lid.

I: Seeing as Roadblock beat Killertron in both prior series, Beast of Bodmin should do likewise.

J: 101 and King Buxton could both push Killertron around easily and win on aggression (or a pitting, if they met before the final).

K: Killertron has met Panic Attack before and lost, X-Terminator would be an interesting fight that I actually don't know which way it would go...

L: Evil Weevil would be another interesting fight: if the axe can hit low enough, Evil Weevil is in trouble, but I'm not convinced it can, and once again Killertron has no srimech...

M: Cassius 2 would definitely beat Killertron, Pussycat is a difficult shape to strike and the blade could leave scars in the plastic, but Spawn of Scutter is beatable with a vulnerable top.

N: No very potent weapons in this heat; Thing 2 might possibly be able to wedge underneath and topple it, but besides that there's not much danger for Killertron here.

O: Possibly the worst heat for Killertron with 3 good flipping/lifting weapons.

P: The only real competition here is Trident, and Killertron's axe is probably better than Trident's.

So it looks like Killertron would only likely make it through heats D, G, N or P, possibly making it through L with a bit of luck. Out of those, none of the resulting semi final matches look particular hopeful, so Killertron's war ends there at the latest. Combatwombat555 (talk) 15:18, June 22, 2015 (UTC)

Gemini in the All Stars

In their battle with Razer, Razer was over the floor flipper while it was activated (although this was not shown on the broadcast episode). Razer had had its drive damaged meaning it could only turn in circles, and the hydraulic fluid bag burst meaning it was functionally immobilized. What if Razer had been (controversially) eliminated for this, and Gemini went through to the next round? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 12:32, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Hard to say what would happen if Gemini won. My prediction is that Behemoth would easily win because of its size and pushing power but if Gemini won that battle then it would certainly lose to Firestorm or Tornado, both these robots are far Superior in reliability, speed and power. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 14:44, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

And how would the rest of the competition have played out? Would Behemoth, if it had won, have beaten Firestorm or not? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 14:56, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Firestorm could get behind Behemoth, flip it about and potentially pit it or flip Behemoth out of the arena (That's unlikely though). Firestorm would face Tornado, who may not have its wedge at this time, Tornado could push firestorm around if it had the chance and simply shove Firestorm into a CPZ or the pit. It could even go to a judges decision as Firestorm would be able to flip Tornado a few times but overall I believe Tornado would most likely win.

If Behemoth won it's battle against Firestorm by shunting and lifting then it could have a even chance against Tornado, however Tornado has more pushing power meaning it could push Behemoth around if it had the chance, then again Behemoth's weight could be an advantage for Behemoth and Behemoth ,just like Tornado, has great pushing power with the added effectiveness of being able to lift Tornado. Behemoth vs Tornado could go ether way and would likely be a judges decision. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 08:00, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

Firestorm would definitely beat Behemoth; both have a gaping ground clearance anywhere but the front, but Firestorm is a lot more nimble and could exploit it a lot easier, there's a reason Firestorm was only ever flipped over 4 times in its life (3 of those times it self-righted, and the other time it went out of the arena, so even throwing it over wouldn't exactly be a winning move). Behemoth's srimech was also a little dodgy, it'd self-right but only eventually, something Firestorm could take advantage of. Firestorm against Tornado; Tornado doesn't have its wedge, it didn't have interchangeable weapons in Extreme 1, and as seen in Series 6 Firestorm could get underneath the sides of Tornado easily. Without the wedge on the front, Tornado is just going to get flipped over and over, and will likely lose the resulting judges' decision as a result.

If Behemoth did manage to beat Firestorm (very unlikely), Tornado would beat it, it dominated the fight when they met in the Challenge Belt. Combatwombat555 (talk) 08:55, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

Allstars series 7

I wonder what would happen if S.M.I.D.S.Y, Atomic, Bulldog Breed, X-Terminator and proberbly others managed to get into the allstars of Series 7 would the outcome be different? Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 14:46, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

Zeus in the World Championship

Rawbot automatically qualified for the Third World Championship because Zeus suffered a breakdown before the start of the battle. What if the battle had gone ahead? How would the Italians have fared? Well, I think that if Zeus beat Rawbot, then it would get beaten easily by Tough As Nails the following round. I just don't think it would stand a chance against the Dutch supremoes. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 16:28, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Anarchy takes the decision

Anarchy was maybe a little unlucky to lose its heat final judges' decision to Tornado, getting in some good flips- how would the rest of Series 6 (and by extension the Seventh Wars) have gone if Anarchy had been given the win? Combatwombat555 (talk) 21:36, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Unlikely to go past Hypno-disc as it would be torn apart. In the losers' melee I have a sense that it would be flipped around or even chucked out but then again seeing as Spawn Again was not hugely active in the real losers' melee it could have a chance against Bigger Brother however that's unlikely. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:00, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

• If Hypno-Disc beats Anarchy: Bigger Brother wins the losers melee and then loses to Terrorhurtz. Given how rubbish H-D were in this series, I'd say Dominator 2 beats them. In the final Razer beats Terrorhurtz and Firestorm beats Dominator 2, before Dominator 2 beats Terrorhurtz and Razer beats Firestorm to clinch the title.
• If Anarchy beats H-D: Losers' melee plays out as it did. Bigger Brother makes the final and Anarchy is narrowly beaten by Dominator 2. Final plays out like how I described it in the other timeline. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 12:20, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Personally I'd have to back Anarchy over Hypno-Disc: that's some really thick plastic at the sides, which I doubt Hypno-Disc could get through, at least not without taking massive hits itself, and Hypno-Disc wasn't the most reliable at that stage... If Hypno-Disc approaches from the flipper end, it'll just get thrown away, and from the axe end there's the scoop to deflect it away, plus that vicious axe of doom that might 'do a Shunt'. Anarchy faces Dominator 2, and I think Dominator's had it, the axe shaft is likely to just strike the chassis before the axe and do very little if any damage, whereas Anarchy can flipper Dominator around and win on aggression. It'd face Firestorm in the final, if we take the same battles as real-life, and then Anarchy's out; Firestorm's a little low to get struck by the axe effectively and the flipper won't get underneath, and it can get underneath Anarchy fairly easily, maybe tipping it over. Razer beats Firestorm once again to win overall, and Anarchy takes on Terrorhurtz- again, Terrorhurtz can't get the axe into play effectively, merely striking the chassis with the shaft, and Anarchy's axe can go through the polycarbonate easily, giving Anarchy third. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:10, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

Hypno-Disc was starting to decline by the Series 6 Semis and given the size and strength of Anarchy (This is no Black Widow we're talking about), I think Team 101 will finally get their revenge and also get their revenge on Dominator 2 as they have a larger robot with actual offensive at their disposal this time. In the Grand Final, Anarchy is against Firestorm and unfortunately even the extra weight of being a walker can't save Team 101 here as this is the same Firestorm that would go on to flip Mr Psycho of all robots! In the Play-off, Anarchy fights Terrorhurtz and with Team Hurtz' machine walking wounded after fighting Razer and not immune to being shoved anyway, Anarchy just shoves Terrorhurtz into the pit using either the scoop or the flipper.--Nononsensecapeesh (talk) 20:21, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

Soda Stream bottles allowed in series 6

Due to a rule change in the Sixth Wars disallowing the use of SodaStream bottles, Gemini were not able to take part. What if this rule had not been implemented and Gemini participated in this series? We wouldn't know what heat it would be in, but would it be likely to win any of the heats? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:58, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion, Gemini would not escape any of the heats:

Heat A: Gemini would dominate Brutus Maximus, Tetanus 2, W.A.S.P. and Weld-Dor 3. Cyrax, Raging Reality and Razer would prove too much for Gemini and I also think Ruf Ruf Dougal could just about get revenge.

Heat B: It would have defeated Colossus, Mega Hurts 2 and Robochicken but it would struggle against any of the others.

Heat C: Destructosaur, Doctor Fist and Mighty Mouse are no real threat. I think Gemini would of defeated Iron Awe 2 as well but the other flippers (Chaos 2 and Dantomkia), would have no trouble. Gemini also hated rambots, so Mr Nasty and I believe Crushtacean would beat it as well.

Heat D: Gemini would defeat Armadrillo, ICU and Roobarb quite easily. It would be 50/50 against Shredder and Sir Chromalot but GBH 2, The Alien and S3 would dominate Gemini.

Heat E: Gemini would defeat Aggrobot 3, Infinity, The Stag and UFO. It really depends with 259 and Infernal Contraption, as those two kind of varied between damage output per fight. Vader and Wild Thing 2 would easily beat Gemini.

Heat F: Only Demolition Man and Double Trouble would be easy for Gemini to beat. Chompalot is really 50/50, depending on if the srimech would work. The others would dominate Gemini.

Heat G: Edge Hog, Inshredable, Revolution 2 and Terror-Bull will pose no threat. I think it might defeat Judge Shred 2½ and Thor as well. But Tornado and Anarchy will prove too much (unless I am underrating Gemini's flip power).

Heat H: I don't think the Hassocks Hog, Hot Pants, Short Circuit, Spam and Spawn Again will trouble Gemini. The crushers would cause problems however and Supernova would mutilate it.

Heat I: Gemini would beat A-Kill, Panic Attack Gold, Reptirron the Second and R.O.C.S. Sabre Tooth's speed would pose problems, but I think Gemini will still win. Corkscrew, Kronic 2 and Terrorhurtz would dominate it.

Heat J: Axe-C-Dent 2 and Sumpthing will be easily defeated. It depends on how Comengetorix and Warhog are working at the time, although I think Gemini would most likely beat them as well. Dominator 2, Hydra, S.M.I.D.S.Y. and St Agro would have no troubles however.

Heat K: 4x4, Granny's Revenge 2 and Spin Doctor pose no threats for Gemini. I think it might beat Kat 3 and Revenge Of Trouble & Strife but Bulldog Breed's flipper and the spinners of Barber-Ous 2 and Hypno-Disc would prove too much.

Heat L: Derek 2, Major Tom, Riptilion and Tridentate would be soundly beaten. Killer Carrot 2's flipper means it will be 50/50 whilst Behemoth, Bigger Brother and Disc-O-Inferno would dominate it.

In short, Gemini would have another disappointing run. SpaceManiac888 (talk) 16:11, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Robogeddon beats Hypno-Disc

In the unedited battle, not broadcast on television, Robogeddon shoved Hypno-Disc against the wall and H-D became stuck in reverse drive. What if the rest was NOT history, and Robogeddon went through? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:12, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Terrorhurtz

What if Terrorhurtz was more reliable? 37.228.202.244 22:51, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Nothing. It lost in S5 because it was ripped apart. It was beaten in S6 by being out-driven twice. It was beaten in Extreme 2 by being out controlled by wedges and flippers. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:33, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, it lost to Firestorm via breakdown after damaging them enough that they only had forwards and backwards motion. In series 7, it would've beaten Ripper, and Mute but lost out to Storm II, who had previously beaten Firestorm. RelicRaider (talk) 15:03, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Suicidal Tendencies, 5th Wars

What would have happened against Destructabubble if ST had not had to pull out and Rick stayed out of the competition, do you reckon? 37.228.202.244 00:52, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Well, I'm not entirely sure how Suicidal Tendencies would beat Destruct-A-Bubble, but there's no doubt in my mind that it would, what could Destruct-A-Bubble possibly do? In the battle of the crushers in the heat final, Razer's a far more nimble machine and has a superior wedge, Razer takes it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:33, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Victor 2

What if their flail had persisted and done damage to Trident? Or what if they were simply careful enough not to fall into the pit? I still can't quite believe Trident won their heat. 37.228.202.244 22:22, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, Trident is probably the best machine of that heat, it was an incredibly weak one. However, if Victor 2 had kept going and taken the win, it'd be likely to beat the sluggish/chronically unreliable Dreadnaut. And then it'd be against Chaos 2... Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:42, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Blades of Destruction

This robot seemed pretty damn impressive. What if they had successfully immobilised Robochicken in Heat M? 37.228.202.244 17:41, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that's just too far-fetched. Pretty damn impressive? You must have been watching a different battle: it had a thin plastic shell that Disc-O-Inferno tore chunks off of on a single attack, the blade looked very spindly with little reach and span really quite slowly, doing no damage to Robochicken on impact, and both the blade and the robot itself seemed to keep stopping. Honestly, there's no possible way it could have immobilised Robochicken. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:55, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Even if it did go through to the heat-semi, there is no way it could defeat Panic Attack or Mega Morg. Tough As Nails will still take the heat. SpaceManiac888 (talk) 18:22, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Against Mega Morg, it could cause some damage, possibly enough to push it around, take much of its control. TAN has its exposed wheels. But bulldog breed will win.AnnoyedWarrior5)

Again, that is not how you sign your name, and please stop using "it's" when you should be using "its". Please take that into consideration. Also, that logic makes no sense. CrashBash (talk) 21:15, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Disc-O-Inferno and Ming Die Nasty swap heats

How would DOI have done in Heat I as the 15th seed, and Ming as an unseeded machine in Heat M? I've read that that Disco was apparently going to be getting the replacement 15th seeding in place of Dominator 2, before it was given to Ming. 37.228.202.244 18:44, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Ming would've fell in the heat, wherever or not it would of been in Round 2 or Round 1 depends on when Tough As Nails pits Robochicken. As for DOI, it would've won the heat, however up against superior opposition (X-Terminator), it would have lost but not before putting up a good fight. --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 18:56, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Ming Dienasty:B.O.D would still go out, and so will Robochicken, defeated by Ming. Against Mega Morg, a slight lift could leave Mega Morg stranded. Tough as Nails may crush them, but Ming could spike them until they become immobile. Bulldog breed could flip, enough could end Ming's run in s7.

Disc-o-inferno: Both Metallis and Ceros will lose to DOI. Revolution 3 would fall as well. St agro' wheels fall to DOI. X-terminator is under half DOI's speed, too slow to win. Bulldog breed could go to the wall, get DOI on its flipper, then throw them out of the arena. The flipper could overturn Typhoon 2, who loses the playoff. Against Storm 2, the same tactic that was used against DOI is used, giving Bulldog Breed the seventh wars trophy.

Ruf-Ruf Dougal (5th wars)

What would have happened in Heat D, if R-RD had NOT had its removable link knocked out against Gemini? It looked pretty challenging to the clusterbot, them being unable to flip it over while it was mobile. 37.228.202.244 23:50, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

We all know the answer. Ruf Ruf was robbed and would have gone on to win the entire series. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:34, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Reactor, Firestorm, Hypno-Disc, Wheely Big Cheese, Panic Attack (if it loses), Pussycat/Dominator 2, Bigger Brother, Razer... that's pretty good going! 37.228.202.244 23:41, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yep. Ruf Ruf spikes the side of Reactor and wins on damage. Firestorm slides under, gets stuck and pits itself trying to get Ruf Ruf down as it's too big. Hypno gets the insulation stuck around its disc and burns out all the motors. Dominator 2 gets the axe wedged in Ruf Ruf, and is out driven into the pit but the doggie. Bigger Brother can't flip it with the anti-flipper flywheel in action and loses the judges decision due to Ruf Ruf's amazing style. Ruf Ruf gets the spike in on Razer's wheels, breaking them and leaving them immobile, leaving Ruf Ruf Dougal as S5 champs. Totally plausible. Jimlaad43(talk) 00:12, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

I feel that Reactor would get defeated, but against Firestorm. They could get stuck. Here, the outcome could go either way. If Firestorm wins, the series outcome stays as it is. However, if Ruf Ruf Doughal wins the heat, Hypno disc could tear through the armour, but since a Kevlar cloth appears, Ruf Ruf survives to a judges desicion, losing to Hypno disc.Focusing upon the losers Melee, Wheely big cheese would get stuck, but Panic Attack has a lifter, which Ruf Ruf Doughal isn't adapted to. They are lifted to a house robot, who pit Ruf Ruf. Wheely big cheese go through, flipping PA out of the arena. Pussycat have the same fate too. Razer crushes through one of the huge wheels, before getting it's flipper mashed up by Hypno-disc. Still not entering series 6, the seeds stay the same. Feeling Ruf Ruf too powerful, they put it in unseeded for the 6th wars. The outcome for s6 is the same, as Ruf Ruf is in heat A.AnnoyedWarrior5 (talk) 19:47, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

First of all, you need to sign your posts. Second of all, why would they not seed Ruf Ruf Dougal? That makes absolutely no sense. CrashBash (talk) 21:26, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

Barber-Ous humiliates Panic Attack

How would series 5 and the seedings for series 6 afterwards have gone down had the plastic machine managed to destroy more than just the lifting forks? What if the second wars champs went out of series 5 with no way back? 80.111.246.131 18:07, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

I think Panic attack would return, unseeded, for the sixth wars. The only difference in the heat is Barber-ous is part of Heat I. Panic attack would have embraced more of a design similar to that of Series 2. They would breeze through the heat, before facing Barber-ous 2 in the heat final. Here, it would gain vengeance, lifting them to the house robots

In the semi final, it would be against Spawn again. A vengeance match, Panic attack gets behind Spawn again, pitting them. Against Bigger Brother, I think Bigger brother would win. In the grand final, Bigger brother would fight Razer, and not get vengeance, losing against Firestorm 4.

Ignoring the change in seed, Panic Attack would be the same seed as in real life in series 7. It would be invertible, no skirt. Against Tough as nails panic attack would be faster as there is no skirts. Panic attack would defeat TAN and Robochicken

Against Bulldog breed, I think Panic attack could easily defeat them.A vengeance match against X-terminator, even with many upgrades, X-terminator would get toppled over by Panic Attack.In the Grand Final, while lifted multiple times, Typhoon 2 would immobilise Panic Attack. Even if fixed in time, Tornado could win the playoff, meaning the 2nd wars winners are 4th overall[[User:AnnoyedWarrior5|AnnoyedWarrior5) 20:41, March 2, 2016

In my opinion; I think Barber-Ous could possibly damage Tiberius 2, but Kat 3 is the end of the road. In the series semis,Pussycat beats Kat 3 and in the losers mele Kat 3 and WBC are beaten by Firestorm.

Kat 3 returns seeded 10th, Wild Thing eighth, Spawn Again ninth, Panic Attack eleventh, Stinger twelfth and Tornado unseeded in the Sixth Wars:

• Heat E: Spawn Again and Vader make it through, but 259 beats Spawn Again before beating Vader in the final.

• Heat F: Panic Attack and 13 Black get through easily, but in round 2 Fluffy destroys PA. Then Fluffy obliterates 13 Black.

• Heat G: Stinger and Inshredable make it through. Stinger batters Thor into submission before holding Anarchy to a tight judge's decision. I think Stinger will win on damage.

• Heat H: Kat 3 and Spawn Again make it through. In the second round, Spam pits itself against Kat 3, who then loses to Supernova.

• Heat I: Wild Thing and Kronic 2 qualify. Wild Thing smashes up A-Kill and then tears through Terrorhurtz' lackluster armour.

• Heat K: Tornado and Bulldog Breed make it through. Tornado holds off Bulldog Breed and then in the heat final does the same to H-D.

• Semi Final 1:
  • We see a big upset as Razer can't hold 259's disc in and gets some serious full frontal damage. The reigning champions are out!
  • Firestorm 4 vs Fluffy: Fluffy out of the arena. There is no way it could beat the Durham mob.
  • S3 vs Dantomkia: same.
    • Razer vs Dantomkia vs Fluffy: Razer crushes DTK before Fluffy destroys its wheels.
  • S3 vs Firestorm 4: See ya, S3.
  • 259 vs Fluffy: It will be close, but I think Fluffy will win.

• Semi Final 2:
  • Tornado vs Stinger: Stinger in the pit.
  • Bigger Brother vs Dominator 2: D2 wins.
  • Wild Thing vs Supernova: I think Wild Thing will buckle Supernova's wheels.
    • Supernova vs Stinger vs Bigger Brother: Pretty tough one. I think Supernova will damage Stinger's wheels before veing chucked out by Bigger Brother.
  • Tornado vs Dominator 2: Tornado wins.
  • Bigger Brother vs Wild Thing: Bigger Brother will send WT OOTA.

• Grand Final:
  • Bigger Brother vs Fluffy: Fluffy gets chucked out of the arena as BB stands up to its blade.
  • Firestorm 4 vs Tornado: Tornado is the winner.
• 3rd Place:
  • Firestorm 4 vs Fluffy: Firestorm 4 takes the bronze medal.

UK Series 6 Decider:

• Tornado vs Bigger Brother: Tornado is the new UK champion, with BB settling for second for the second year running.

Juat my thoughts! 80.111.246.131 20:44, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Panic attack defeats Fire storm

My thoughts: Series 3 Grand final: Chaos 2 v Panic attack:Chaos 2's CO2 pump burst by PA's forks,lifted on back.Hypno disc v Panic Attack: Keeping it's distance, Hypno disc devastates the sides, tears off removable link. Series 4: Seeds: 1.Hypno disc 2.Panic Attack 3.Razer 4.Chaos 2 5.Steg 2 6.Firestorm 2 7.Mortis 8.Gemini 9.Behemoth 23.Berserk 2 24.Shadow of Napalm 25.Plunderbird 4 32.Killertron All seeds up 1 after 23. Heat A:Indefatigable v King B3 v Hypno disc:Indefatigable through, King B3 torn apart.Indefatigable v Atomic: Atomic wins.Atomic v Hypno disc:Seen in S5.Hypno disc wins Heat B:Same Heat C: Steg 2 v Morgue v Scar:No. 5 seeds humiliated.Scar vs BFTB: First ever Oota(in parallel universe)against Scar.Morgue v BFTB:Too powerful a flipper, but go through on a judges decision.BFTB wins Heat D: Mortis v Cronos v Crusader 2: Cronos flipped.Berserk 2 v Mazarki v Iron awe: Mazarki's disc stopped by Iron Awe. Mortis v Iron awe: Axe v Axe. Iron Awe wins.Berserk 2 vs Crusader 2: Berserk 2's lifter is too little. Crusader 2 vs Iron awe:Crusader's team regret being invertible. Iron awe wins. Heat E: Behemoth v Henry 2 v Dominator 2: Henry 2 through, Dominator 2 too little for Behemoth.Plunderbird 4 v DOI v Major Tom:Plunderbird out, DOI tears it apart. Behemoth v Major Tom: Major Tom on side.DOI vs Henry 2: Henry 2's fate is answered by line up. DOI vs Behemoth: Seen in Extreme 1. Behemoth wins. Heat F:Shadow of Napalm v Invertabrat v The Creature: Creature tipped over by Shadow of Napalm. Invertabrat vs Gemini: Second Oota in parallel universe. Tornado vs Shadow of Napalm: Spike damages wheels.Tornado wins Heat G:Stinger v Warhog v Darke destroyer 2: Warhog destroyed.Stinger v Thermindor 2: Thermidor's flipper gets broken.Kronic v Stinger:Wrong flipper choice. Stinger wins Heat H:Killertron v Maverick v Typhoon(let's say it qualified):Killertron on back.WBC v Typhoon: Oota against Typhoon.Maverick v Wheelosaurus: Wheelosaurus through.Wheelosaurus vs WBC:Battle of the exposed wheels, but Wheelosaurus causes too much damage.Wheelosaurus wins. Heat I:Suicidal tendencies v Splinter v Small torque:Small torque out. Suicidal tendencies v Eric: Eric crushed. Splinter v Suicidal tendencies:Damage on Splinter too much. Suicidal tendencies wins. Heat J:Centurion v Bulldog breed v Spikasaurus: Centurion loses. Spikasaurus v Hammer and Tong: Spikasaurus in the pit.Bulldog Breed vs HAT: Hat flipped around. Bulldog breed wins. Heat K:Dreadnought XP1 v Sump thing v Little fly: Little fly lifted onto back.Tiberius v Dreadnought XP1:Tiberius on side.Dreadnought XP1 v Mousetrap: Mousetrap on front. Dreadnought wins Heat L:Sir Chromalot v Vercingetorix v Fat boy tin: Sir Chromalot on side.Fat Boy tin v SOS: Fat Boy Tin spikes SOS to immobilisation. Fat boy tin v Knightmare:Oota against Fat boy tin.Knightmare wins Heat M:Weldor 2 v Reactor v Scorpion:Reactor on side.Weldor 2 v Steel avenger: Steel avenger destroyed.Wild thing v Scorpion: Wild thing sawed. Weldor 2 v Scorpion:Scorpion peppered. Weldor 2 wins Heat N:Firestorm 2 v AAT v Rambot: AAT on side. X terminator v Rambot: Rambot flips Xterminator. Firestorm v Judge Dredd: Firestorm out. Judge Dredd v Rambot:Rambot flipped around. Judge Dredd wins. Heat O:Chaos 2 v Oblivion v S.M.I.D.S.Y: S.M.I.D.S.Y loses.Overkill GTI v Chaos 2: Oota against Overkill. Oblivion v Aggrobot II: Oblivion on back. Aggrobot 2 v Chaos 2: Aggrobot out of the arena. Chaos 2 wins Heat P:Panic attack v Raizer blade v Predator: Predator on back. V-max v Panic attack: V-max with house robots.Raizer Blade v Panic Attack: Raizer blade in pit.Panic attack wins. Semi final 1: Hypno disc v Iron awe:Iron awe destroyed. Wheelosaurus v Tornado: Tornado's wheels popped.Stinger v Pussycat: Stinger loses wheels.Behemoth v BFTB: Behemoth Out of the arena.Hypno disc v Wheelosaurus: Wheels torn off.Pussycat v BFTB: Pussycat Out of the arena. Semi final 2: Bulldog breed v Dreadnought: Dreadnought on back.Knightmare v Chaos 2: Knightmare out of the arena.Panic attack v Suicidal tendencies: Suicidal tendencies on back. Weldor 2 v Judge Dredd: Weldor axes Judge Dredd. Bulldog breed v Chaos 2: Chaos 2 flips Bulldog breed. Weldor v Panic attack: Weldor can't self right. Grand final: Panic attack v BFTB: Panic attack out of the arena. Chaos 2 v Hypno disc: Hypno Disc flipped around. Panic attack v Hypno disc: Panic attack gains vengeance. Chaos 2 v BFTB: Chaos 2 out of the arena.

Ok, with all due respect, some of your logic here makes very little sense. Bolt from the Blue getting OotA after OotA with little more than a lifter? Wheelosaurus defeating WBC through causing massive amounts of damage, and then doing the same against Tornado? Eric being crushed to death by Suicidal Tendencies in a series when ST doesn't have a crusher? Fat Boy Tin of all robots defeating Spawn of Scutter through 'spiking it to immobilisation'? Judge Shred 2 putting out Firestorm? Plus many many more questionable decisions besides... I'm all for freedom of expression, but a lot of these go so far into the realms of fantasy they're in danger of coming out the other side. Combatwombat555 (talk) 15:33, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

Someone REALLY likes Bolt From The Blue here. I think it's a robot that had potential, but throwing Behemoth, Pussycat, Panic Attack AND Chaos 2 out of the arena? Even one of those is unlikely.

Anyway, if Panic Attack beat Firestorm, I reckon Chaos 2 would beat the Series 3 incarnation of PA, since PA had yet to implement the side skirts yet.

The only significant changes to seeding would be Steg and Firestorm switching between Heat C and D. I can see the same general result of Morgue being eliminated in its first round melee, only to replace Scar later on. Bolt and Steg is an interesting battle, which I think Steg would ultimately win in a Judges decision, similar to the Firestorm fight. I can't see Morgue beating Steg, which results in Steg through the semi-final.

I was honestly very unimpressed by Firestorm 2, and think it was by far the worst of their machines in terms of progress from the predecessor. I actually think Mortis could pull off a victory against them in the heat-final to reach the semi-finals.

There, I see Dominator inflicting enough damage to beat Steg, and Chaos bullying Mortis into a state of immobilization. The rest of the war plays out as per usual. RightToCensor (talk) 15:10, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with most of what RightToCensor said, except I think Firestorm 2 would beat Mortis. Chaos 2 then beats Firestorm. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 23:40, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Series 7 Second Semi, Different Second Round Draw

A thought I had while watching the second S7 semi on Challenge last night: what if they had done the draw like they did in the first semi, and put Firestorm against Typhoon 2, and Storm 2 against Atomic?

Well, Atomic would probably be able to beat Storm 2, while Firestorm will most likely withstand Typhoon 2 enough to turn it over.

So, in the Grand Final, Firestorm faces X-Terminator and Atomic Tornado. Atomic would likely beat Tornado, and Firestorm should be able to dodge X-Terminator's disc and flip it over. Tornado would still win the play-off even with X-Terminator working properly.

That gives us a grand final of Firestorm vs Atomic, and, as good as Atomic was, I'd still back Firestorm to win this one.

That's my thoughts on that possibility. I've had another thought about the Series 7 semis I'll put up here later. Hogwild94 (talk) 19:17, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Bodyhammer wins the First Wars

Let's assume that Team Cold Fusion had been more aggressive than the Bodmin boys. Let's assume that the judges go for Bodyhammer instead of RoadBlock and in the Second Wars, Bodyhammer is seeded first and RoadBlock third. How do you think Heats D & G would've gone down? 80.111.246.131 15:21, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Blade's Big Bruva and Trident in Series 4 - part 2

Ever since finding out the original seeding list for Series 4, I've wanted to contribute to this old discussion, but since it's been archieved, that's pretty much impossible, so I've decided "to hell with it, start a new one". Now, obviously, there's no way we really know what changes were made to Blade or Trident between Series 3 and 4, so for the sake of ease, I'm just using their Series 3 counterparts. Also, sadly, this does mean Centurion and Suicidal Tendencies don't get a look in.

• HEAT A: Since Wheely Big Cheese can't do anything to Attila the Drum, it focuses all of its attacks on Medusa 2000, who eventually loses the judges decision. Despite the awkward shape, Chaos 2 manages to beat Attila after forcing it into Sir Killalot, who immobilises it. Wheely Big Cheese eventually manages to topple Atomic, making it break down. In the heat final, Chaos 2 easily has its way with the sluggish WBC and eventually a wheel is snapped. WBC just makes it to the judges, but loses.
• HEAT B: King B3 manages to push both Reptirron and Robochicken around easily, but is unable to do anything productive against Razer and is crushed to death.
• HEAT C: Now faced with a dangerous seeded robot, Ming 2 and Bolt From The Blue take numerous attacks from Pussycat's blade. Ming 2 barely scrapes through due to being more aggressive, but is then flipped around by Firestorm 2 until it breaks down, whilst Morgue is ravaged by Pussycat. Come the heat final, Firestorm's weaker armour proves to be its undoing as Pussycat makes numerous scars whilst resisting the flips. It eventually wins the judges decision.
• HEAT D: A curious scenario. To get a midway, I'm assuming Diotoir had to remove the top armour, but the weapon is functional, since that was a complete fluke. Since its design is so different from that of Mortis, Mazakari's disc doesn't get stuck, and the judges instead choose to eliminate the largely sluggish Iron Awe. From there, Steg 2 flips Mazakari all over the arena to take the judges decision, but Diotoir does not have as much luck against Crusader 2, who manages to push it all over the arena. Crusader makes it through to the heat final, and without Mortis' axe to worry it, manages to push Steg 2 all over the arena, overturning it a few times, eventually setting it on its side and winning the judges decision.
• HEAT E: Mortis lands crucial blows on Disc-O-Inferno, knocking it out. This puts it through to a really strong clash against Dominator 2, a battle I must admit would be awesome to see. A very VERY close battle comes about, but in the end, Mortis manages to win the decision due to getting some strong lifts and axing Dominator's soft underbelly. Another really strong battle follows, but 101's flat top leaves it vulnerable, and it again just loses a narrow decision. Mortis seems to have finally rehit its stride again....
• HEAT F: X-Terminator, in the arena with its future Tag Team partner, focuses all of its attacks on The Creature, actually causing some damage and eventually knocking it out. Inverterbrat's luck runs out against Gemini, eventually breaking down after constant flipping. X-Terminator goes through to a hard fought clash with Tornado, but despite the speed advantage and the axe, is unable to gain the advantage and loses the judges decision. Heat final plays out as normal.
• HEAT G: Despite taking damage to the drill, Sir Chromalot's tough construction allows it to outlast Warhog. It then gets flipped by Thermidor constantly, and is eventually pitted, with or without its srimech. Heat final plays as normal.
• HEAT H: Now things start changing for the first heat too. Bigger Brother proves to be very aggressive, and Prizephita eventually seizes up again. Stinger focuses most of its attacks on Killertron, causing so much damage it loses the decision. Maverick, having narrowly scraped through, is easily beaten by Bigger Brother, whilst Stinger wins the clash of the axlebots against Wheelosaurus easily. In the heat final, Stinger is immune to Bigger Brother's flipped and causes slight damage, but it proves aggressive enough throughout to take the decision.
• HEAT I: Although it's hardly Killerhurtz, Trident focuses most of its attacks on Destruct-A-Bubble, who is eliminated on the judges. Like its eventual replacement, however, Dreadnaut finds itself being bullied by both Splinter and Small Torque, taking damage from the latters disc and eventually becoming immobilised. Trident's awkward shape proves a real joy for Splinter to play with, and once it gets pushed in the CPZ, the house robots delight in damaging it. The rest of the heat plays as normal.
• HEAT J: A rather slow and sluggish match, but Blade's Big Bruva focuses most of its attacks on the sluggish Clawed Hopper, who eventually loses the judges decision on lack of aggression. However, in a shock turnabout, Weld-Dor 2 is rendered immobile after getting punctured by Spikasaurus, disabling its batteries. Blade is swiftly overturned by Bulldog Breed, whilst Spikasaurus bosses its way past Hammer & Tong. In the Heat Final, although Spikasaurus has a speed advantage, Bulldog Breed gets many aggressive attacks, and Spikasaurus' lack of real control proves significant in the judges decision.
• HEAT K: Sadly, Sumpthing cannot relive its success from the actual series, as Plunderbird proves to be too well constructed and it eventually breaks down. However, Plunderbird does end up losing the second battle to Mousetrap due to lack of aggression, and maybe also a seized track. Heat final plays as normal.
• HEAT L: Berserk 2 manages to help topple Fat Boy Tin, but is outflanked by Knightmare in the following battle. Heat final plays as normal.
• HEAT M: A very sluggish battle, where Shadow of Napalm only manages to scrape through after Reactor topples Scorpion, only to be destroyed by Steel Avenger the following round. Heat final plays as normal.
• HEAT N: Aggrobot makes it through after Judge Shred disables Millenium Bug, and ends up winning a narrow judges decision over Arnold Arnold Terminagger due to being too bulky to lift and getting some good lifts in itself. However, it is constantly rolled over the arena by Behemoth until it breaks down.
• HEAT O: Cerberus scrapes through after Oblivion is disabled by Saw Point, but it is then pushed all over the arena by S.M.I.D.S.Y. and eventually overturned or pitted. Heat final plays as normal.
• HEAT P: I suppose I need to assume V-Max replaces Onslaught, but either way, Terror-Bull is eventually rendered immobile due to axe blows and flipping. Killerhurtz manages to land a killer blow on the struggling Raizer Blade, which puts it through against Hypno-Disc. The result is predictable.
• SEMI-FINAL 1: Chaos 2 constantly flips Crusader 2 around the arena until something breaks. A tight clash between Stinger and Tornado occurs the next round, but without its drum and struggling to keep up in the reliability game at this point, Tornado can't keep up with Stinger and eventually loses. Razer manages to crush deep into Thermidor's hide and Pussycat, although unable to do much damage to Mortis, manages to win the decision on pure aggression, control and style. The following round sees Chaos 2 vs Stinger and Razer vs Pussycat, both battles play as normal.
• SEMI-FINAL 2: Bulldog Breed flips Mousetrap over in just a few seconds. A tight clash between Wild Thing and Behemoth eventually results in Behemoth being pushed into the pit despite a strong start. The other two battles play as normal. Despite a great attempt, Bulldog Breed is unable to breach Panic Attack's low skirts and is eventually hooked and pitted. Hypno-Disc vs Wild Thing plays as normal.
• GRAND FINAL: Unlike Bulldog Breed, Chaos 2 CAN breach Panic Attack's skirts, and despite a good solid battle between two legendary drivers, Chaos 2 is eventually able to flip Panic Attack enough times to take the decision. Needless to say, the rest of the grand final, including Hypno-Disc withdrawing from the playoff, plays as normal. At least Panic Attack got third this time. CrashBash (talk) 08:36, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

And this is roughly what the resulting seedings in the Fifth Wars look like:

1. Chaos 2
2. Pussycat
3. Hypno-Disc
4. Razer
5. Panic Attack
6. Wild Thing
7. Behemoth
8. Stinger
9. Bulldog Breed
10. Firestorm
11. Tornado
12. Spawn Again
13. Thermidor 2
14. Splinter
15. 3 Stegs to Heaven
16. Mousetrap
17. 101
18. Wheely Big Cheese
19. King B Powerworks
20. Gemini
21. S.M.I.D.S.Y.
22. The Steel Avenger
23. Bigger Brother
24. Atomic 2

80.111.246.131 15:23, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Haardvark in the Third Wars

How would Haardvark have done in series 3 had it not blown its drive fuse? I reckon that it would have beaten Henry on a Judge's Decision, before Steg-O-Saw-Us proves too much for it. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 14:08, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

Dantomkia not in the Series 7 All-Stars

As I'm sure you know, Dantomkia was included in the Series -Stars despite not meeting the criteria of fighting in five or more Uk championships buse many robots that were eligiblunable to compete for various reasons. However, what if one of those roboable to compete? It seems to me if things slightly different, they could of had a full line-up of robots that fought in five or more championship.

• What if Bulldog Breed had not been irreperably damaged? X-Terminator caused thble damage whilst trying to flip them out of the arena, but what if they had suceeded in getting them out of the arena in one or two attacks, meaning Bulldog Breed was not irreperably damaged?
• What if Ming Dienasty had reached Round 2? What if they had gained enough points late on to scrape through on a judges' decison instead of Scrapto, then lost to St. Agro?
• What if S.M.I.D.S.Y. had not been thrown out of the arena, slamming into the arena wall in the process? What if Atomic had pushed them into the pit, like thay did in Round 1?
• What if Spawn Again's pneumatic system hadn't exploded? What if they had lost on a judge's decision instead, or won the battle then lost to Tornado in the Semis? Either way, it would be able to compete in the All-Stars.
• What if Supernova had got past Round 1? What if Storm 2 had pushed Rhino into the pit, allowing Supernova to get through to Round 2, where it lost to Steel Avenger, or reached the Heat Final before losing to Storm 2?
• What if Terrorhurtz had been able to compete in Series 7, instead of just turning up for a staged disqualification? I imagine it would have won the heat, then lost to Storm 2.
• What if Thermidor 2 had not been damaged? As well as recieving a blow from Typhoon 2 powerful enough to knock it out in one slam, Thermidor was subjected to pretty much all the arena hazards; the flame pit, the flipper, the drop zone - I think enduring all those caused the damage to be irreperable. What if Sir Killalot just dropped them into the pit?
• What if X-Terminator had sucessfully been flipped out of the arena, or pitted, by Tsunami? It's hard for me to see a "small thing" that could have changed and Final for them to be able to compete in the All-Stars. You may argue that X-Terminator losing the Heat Final isn't a small thing, but let's imagine Tsunami beat St Agro and Bulldog Breed, then lost Typhoon 2.
• What if Zorro reached Round 2? What if Ripper flipped Reptirron over instead of Zorro, then spent the battle chasing and flipping Aggrobot, allowing Zorro to get through?

What if one of the above cases happened, and one of those robots was able to take Dantomkia's place? Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 19:48, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

TR2 immobilises Carbide

Now, this is actually a perfectly legitimate question. TR2 won its battle against Carbide, but on a judges decision, thus meaning it ended the Head-to-Head stage with only five points, whilst both Apollo and Carbide had six. But what would have happened if TR2 had actually managed to immobilise Carbide? It came close to trenching, pitting and stranding it on a few occasions, and Carbide very nearly broke down completely.

I say this because it would have resulted in an interesting scenario - TR2 would have gotten three points, thus bringing its total to six, the same as Apollo and Carbide. This would have resulted in a three-way tie for first place, and each robot had beaten one of its opponents but lost to the other (Apollo beat TR2 who beat Carbide who beat Apollo). What do you think would have happened in that situation? CrashBash (talk) 14:43, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm. That's a good one. I honestly have no idea. And they all KO'd Thor too, so that can't even have bearing. Perhaps they'd use their overall win record to put TR2 through and then the winner of Carbide/Apollo (Carbide) would go through from the normal 6-6 draw? Gutripper^Speak 00:13, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

Maybe all three of them qualify for the final. --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 07:59, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

I think they'd have a three-way melee where one gets knocked out, and then have the Grand Final. If that happened I don't think anything would change. Raz3r(talk) 23:25, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

I doubt it. I think Gutripper has the idea - they'd have had to come to some sort of points system and because TR2 had only lost one battle in the series, they'd have given it to them, and then Carbide would have progresed because it had defeated Apollo in the head to head. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 00:03, September 2, 2016 (UTC)

Chompalot in the 2016 Series

What would have happened if Chompalot had not broken down in the final heat and Pulsar had not had to be reinstated? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 19:56, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

Ironside3 would have been the semi-finalist, no question. It would probably also have meant guaranteed death for Thor instead of Pulsar, putting Ironside3 through and making a more interesting finalist than Thor. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 22:43, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

But Thor wasn't in that heat? Or do you mean the wildcard choice? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 11:09, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Chompie would probably have got the three points against Beast after they broke down, but then lost to Ironside3. Ironside3 vs Gabriel in the final would be the same battle pretty much, with Ironside3 progressing. In the final, Ironside3 would cause trouble to both opponents, with Thor taking some damage and eventually being defeated. They would come off second best against Carbide, be flipped over by TR2 and defeated by Apollo, so pretty much the same result as Thor in the end. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:05, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Eruption vs Storm 2

As we know, Storm 2 won the judges' decision in their Head to Head against Eruption, securing two points despite becoming immobilised towards the end. What would have happened, though, if we applied the logic behind Beast vs Gabriel/Ironside3 vs Pulsar, and the judges gave victory and three points to Eruption based on Storm 2 being immobilised for more than ten seconds? VulcansHowl (talk) 11:50, September 2, 2016 (UTC)

Vector working properly in the Third Wars

How would Vector have done if it had actually worked in that battle against T2? If T2 still drove into the Pit, I reckon that Vector would probably still have lost to Darke Destroyer. Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 22:58, September 8, 2016 (UTC)

Nah, if Vector actually worked properly, T2 would have been attacking it instead of accidentally pitting itself. That said, I can see Vector winning this, as it lifter seems to quite capable of toppling machines over and T2 is not invertible. It moves on against Darke Destroyer, and easily topples it over in order to face Gravedigger. Against Gravedigger, it will be interesting because both can flip the other and it appears both can self-right. However, I believe that Gravedigger is the better pusher and is more likely to get underneath, so it will probably win by a Judges' decision or knockout. Overall then, I find Vector one of the most underrated robots in all of Robot Wars! Let's see who it faces in Ragnabot 2. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:13, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Roadblock in the Skittles Trial

Roadblock nearly crashed out after it was pinned by Sir Killalot, only for Limpet to be more sluggish and not knock down as many! What would have happened if Limpet had knocked down more skittles? Vampireweekend4ever (talk) 01:16, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Thor beats Shockwave, 2016 Episode 2 Final

This isn't really one small thing but a couple joined together because if Thor hadn't died in that battle and managed to win one way or another then the whole thing changes.

• Since Thor now qualifies outright for the Grand Final rather than being reinstated, who do you think would have been the new wildcard? Assume the other qualifying episodes are unchanged.
• Taking the lineup changes into account (Thor now replaces Shockwave in Carbide's Group Battle, and the new wildcard assumes Thor's place in the other Group Battle), how would the Grand Final episode be affected as a result?

S256 18:16, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Well, there's the potential that very little would have changed, especially in regards to who got the Wildcard pick. Shockwave, alongside Gabriel, would be in the best position to get that wildcard spot if the reason Thor got the wildcard in the first place is what I think it is - namely, the runner-up who got the most points in the Head-to-Heads. CrashBash (talk) 18:21, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

Apollo losing in Round 1

As we all know Kan-Opener and PP3D dominated the fight at the start, with Apollo falling victim at one point to the dreaded blade. Now what do you guys think would have happened if Appolo was knocked out in the fight leaving PP3D and Kan-Opener to survive (let's be honest Sweeney Todd was never going to win anything). How would the rest of the Heat go and eventually the Grand Final.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 08:14, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Eruption would've likely won the heat. In the grand final, the alliance between Shock and Invade/Eruption would've defeated Carbide. Since the spinners are gone, the main threats are Eruption and TR2. How their match goes is important, as it would effect the rest of the group. --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 08:25, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Let's see....lets go over all the fights that would have been changed.

• Kan Opener vs PP3D - Kan Opener clearly had the advantage over PP3D in its melee, so I can see it eventually getting the Scottish machine in the pit. 3 points for Kan Opener.
• Kan Opener vs Storm 2 - There is nothing Kan Opener can do except get pushed around. Storm has dealt with crushers before. I don't see a knockout, but Storm 2 wins by judges decision.
• Kan Opener vs Eruption - A few flips from Eruption knocks Kan Opener's link out. Eruption wins by knockout.
• Final Scores - Storm 2 = 7 points, Eruption and Kan Opener = 3 points and PP3D = 2 points. Eruption goes through over Kan-Opener due to winning the head-to-head clash.
• Storm 2 vs Eruption - the rematch - Whilst I really want to make a point for Eruption, it really struggled to get under Storm 2, and whilst I'm sure the team will have learnt from their previous battle, so will Storm. So, sorry, but I'm not seeing Eruption winning, provided Storm 2 keeps working.
• Wildcard - Unchanged. Eruption has nowhere near enough points to deny Thor. Neither would Storm 2 had Eruption beat it.
• Storm 2 vs Carbide vs Shockwave - Probably no difference given that Storm 2 managed to tank PP3D reasonably well, so in theory it should do the same for Carbide. Can't say the same for Shockwave.
• Storm 2 vs TR2 - Is Storm 2 low enough to keep TR2 from flipping it over? I'm not sure, but for now, I'll give Storm 2 the benefit of the doubt and say it wins by narrow judges decision.
• Storm 2 vs Carbide - This is where things start to get a little bit problematic. If Storm 2 can't quickly get rid of Carbide, I don't think it's as much of a brick as it was. I could make an argument for it surviving, but even then I'm not convinced. Again, I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say Carbide wins, but only on a judges decision.
• Storm 2 vs Thor - Hard to say likely that both robots will be in an absolute state after fighting Carbide, but given how slow and ponderous Storm 2 is now, I can't honestly see it surviving a bludgeoning from Thor. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for the third time, and say it lasts to the end, but Thor wins the judges decision.
• Final Scores - TR2 = 5 points, Carbide = 5 points, Storm 2 = 2 points, Thor = 2 points.
• TR2 vs Carbide - the rematch - Given the state Carbide was in from their actual encounter, likely a rinse and repeat, and TR2, the robot I initially had down to win the 2016 final, takes it. CrashBash (talk) 08:42, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

I have to say Crash, I think you're spot on with all of your predictions, except perhaps TR2 vs Storm 2, but even that is a possibility. Either way, the final outcome wouldn't change. Raz3r(talk) 09:26, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

If Nuts had fallen down the pit

Kill-E-Crank-E hit the pit and Nuts came two seconds short of pulling a Wild Thing series 6 and going down with it. What if it had? Assume the rest of the fight played out the exact same, I presume that the judges will follow the Wheely Big Cheese Prizephita Wheelosaurus precedent and assess which of the pitted robots will progress out of Razer and Kill-E. I think its fairly obvious that Razer would progress.

All changed fights:

• Razer vs Behemoth: Razer wins by judges - We've seen it happen, and unless Behemoth can get Razer into the pit, we've seen before as these machines evolve that Razer can always answer Behemoth. Heck, their second and third clashes got progressively less close.
• Razer v Terrorhurtz: Terrorhurtz wins by judges - Since this is real life and not Ragnabot, I've allocated the "Terrorhurtz is working" fights as the replacements. Terrorhurtz here wins because it's so fast and has improved its overhead protection against Razer, who really appeared more of a gripper.
• Carbide v Razer: Carbide wins by knockout - Pretty easy call here.
• New scores: Carbide 6 (KOs on Razer and Behemoth), Terrorhurtz 5 (KO on Carbide, Judges on Razer), Behemoth 3 (KO on Terrorhurtz), Razer 2 (Judges on Behemoth)
• Heat Final: Terrorhurtz v Carbide: Terrorhurtz wins - repeat of history
• Wild Card: Carbide: Carbide is so destructive that its loss is seen as a fluke and is reinstated instead of Thor.
• Grand Final Eliminator 1 - Terrorhurtz v Shockwave v Apollo: Terrorhurtz eliminated Without Carbide to end the fight, Terrorhurtz's is defeated by continuous pressure from Shockwave (who endured Thor) and Apollo.
• Grand Final Eliminator 2 - Pulsar v TR2 v Carbide: Pulsar eliminated: With Carbide there to speed up the process.
• Shockwave v Carbide: Carbide wins by KO - plays out the same to boost Carbide's KO points
• Shockwave v Apollo: Apollo wins by KO - Shockwave loses the ground clearance fight and spends the whole fight on the back foot.
• Shockwave v TR2: TR2 wins by KO - as above, presumably dealing with "zombie Shockwave" at this point.
• Points - Carbide 6, Apollo 6, TR2 9 - Carbide progresses as Carbide defeated Apollo.
• Carbide v TR2: TR2 wins: repeat to win the whole championship.

Of course, if you have Behemoth beat Razer then the whole thing ends in the heats. But dang, Nuts is a influential player. Gutripper^Speak 05:21, February 11, 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I wouldn't know where to begin predicting Razer rematches with Terrorhurtz and Behemoth. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 05:52, February 11, 2017 (UTC)

You have TR2 beating Apollo in the Grand Final, judging by the points. Any reason for that? Raz3r(talk) 10:10, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

If Series 2 had no new Trials in the Heats

I was rewatching Series 1 (and geez, it's so ancient by the current standard!) and as usual, I saw the trials and wished some of them had been used again rather than being a one time thing only. Finding this article, I think it's time I pitch a question that's been on my mind for a while now.

What if Series 2, instead of using mostly new trials for the Heats, used the same six from Series 1 again and in the same order that they had appeared in previously. So, with Gauntlet runs remaining the same, this would mean the trials and robots taking part would be:

Heat A, Sumo- Napalm, Demolition Demon, Panda Monium, Victor, Piece De Resistance

Heat B, British Bulldog- Mace, Chaos, Leviathan, Wheelosaurus, Tantrum

Heat C, Football- Mortis, Oblivion, Dreadnaught, Rameses II, Challenger

Heat D, Stock Car- Behemoth, Inquisitor, Razer, Elvis, Milli-Ann-Bug

Heat E, Labyrinth- Killertron, Technophobic, ORAC, Spin Doctor, Schumey

Heat F, Snooker- Panic Attack, Disrupter, Corporal Punishment, Whirling Dervish, Ron

Heat G, Sumo- Roadblock, Onslaught, Nemesis, Killerhurtz, Limpet

Heat H, British Bulldog- Cassius, Loco, Groundhog, Wizard, Sting

Heat I, Football- King Buxton, All Torque, Robodoc, Prometheus, Rottweiler

Heat J, Stock Car- GBH, Ivanhoe, Talos, Killdozer, Penatrator

Heat K, Labyrinth- Plunderbird II, The Mule, Enzyme, Demon, Megahurtz

Heat L, Snooker- Haardvark, Havoc, Vercingetorix, Flirty Skirty, Tender Caress

The Semi's would still have the all-new Pinball as technically they're not really Heats, but changing up the trial faced could potential change up a huge chunk of the series as some robots got screwed over, or lucked out, due to the Trials they were given. And as 1st fights 4th and 2nd fights 3rd after trials, if I recall correctly, it could lead to a 100% changed result beyond Heats.

I should have time to write what I think would happen tonight or tomorrow, but what do you all think? Would Panic Attack still win with the trials changed up, or would there be a new champion? Or even a totally different line-up for semi's and the grand final? CragmiteBlaster250 (talk) 16:02, March 8, 2017 (UTC)

If Jellyfish KO'ed Sabretooth

I think we can talk about Heat A of Series 9 now that it's been a week, and I wanted to throw something into the mix. Jellyfish vs Sabretooth was a battle I don't think anyone expected to go the way it did, although I think we're all glad it did. Jellyfish was dominant throughout and honestly, I thought there were a few instances where Sabretooth had just conked out, only for it to start up again. Obviously, Jellyfish didn't knock Sabretooth out, but what if it had? That would have left both robots, as well as Terrorhurtz, on three points each and, more crucially, no chance of a tie-breaker since each robot had beaten one and lost to the other. But what do you think would have happened if that were the case?

As far as I can gather, there would be two possible outcomes...

1. All three robots go through to the Heat Final along with Aftershock, resulting in a four-way heat final.
2. Jellyfish, Sabretooth and Terrorhurtz fight an additional three-way battle to decide who goes through to face Aftershock.

So, with that in mind, what do you think would have happened? Is there another possibility you think may have happened? Who would have won either scenario? I mean, the answer to the first is still probably Aftershock, but the second one, considering Terrorhurtz had all sorts of problems, Sabretooth was a dead robot rolling and Jellyfish was....well, Jellyfish, might be worth a discussion. CrashBash (talk) 12:13, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Every time I do my Robot Wars series and it's a three-way tie, I do the latter option. And in that scenario, I'd choose Sabretooth. Within the repair window they could rewire the drum the right way up. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 12:22, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Terrorhurtz beat Sabretooth and Rapid didn't withdraw

So this got me curious, what if Terrorhurtz didn't lose its backend and beat Sabretooth with little damage? Would it have a better chance against Aftershock and beat it? Same episode but what if Rapid was fixed meaning Jellyfish didn't get brought back in.How would it fare?Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:37, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

Terrorhurtz seems an easy-to-repair-and-put-back-together machine. Its battle against Aftershock saw both machines going at it 100%, and nothing hindered Terrorhurtz technically - it was Aftershock's own power and the floor flipper activating at that precise moment which caused the harm. As for Rapid, I think it could've flipped Sabretooth around and beaten that but I think it would have been outwedged for the most part by Terrorhurtz. Terrorhurtz would've then got to the Heat Final, and although the floor flipper hit was a completely unique moment which knocked Terrorhurtz for six, I still think it'd lose a rematch, whether that be through a longer battle or a Judges' decision. I'd love to see them two face off again though. Nweston8 (talk) 17:02, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

Razer in Series 9

My second (or third) what if is what do you think would have happened if Razer was in the series, doesn't matter what heat or who would be replaced as a result (e.g. Apex probably would as it was a last minute edition) Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:37, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

Lets do this. Episode 1 - all bar Aftershock can be defeated by Razer, mostly through judge's decisions. Episode 2 - in theory all them can be defeated by Razer, but in practice only Lord Draven, Cherub, Cobra and possibly Hobgoblin can be defeated, with the others being ifs. Episode 3 - I think only Thor and Foxic are going to be issues for Razer. M.R. SS and Concuss are probably going to defeated by a judge's decision. Episode 4 - its appalling that only robots Razer can beat Krab-Bot and the other round 1 losers, plus Frostbite. Episode 5 - Apollo and Carbide are gods, and the rest will cause a fun fight. --WolfwingandSlaveLeia (talk) 08:48, April 30, 2017 (UTC)

Seriously, Foxic will give Razer trouble? What makes it any different to Tornado without the cage or Raging Reality? I think MSS is the only one that will give Razer trouble (maybe not even them, given we haven't seen its spinner wedge in action). Tauron would certainly give Razer trouble, if for no other reason than height. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:21, April 30, 2017 (UTC)

TR2 out in Round 1

Let's say that Or Te flips over TR2, whose flipper did not work in round 1, before they get KOed by the spinners. Supernova survives in TR2's place with Big Nipper.

Head to Heads

• Dantomkia vs King B Remix - No change.
• Big Nipper vs Supernova - Supernova proved itself to be superior in a clash of the discs, and can knock Big Nipper around, but I see Big Nipper surviving to a Judges' Decision.
• Dantomkia vs Supernova - Dantomkia's armour should hold up for most of the fight, get under Supernova's high ground clearance several times and take the Judges' Decision on aggression and control.
• King B Remix vs Big Nipper - No change.
• King B Remix vs Supernova - No contest here, Supernova can deal out just as much as Big Nipper did.
• Big Nipper vs Dantomkia - No change.

Heat Final

• Dantomkia vs Supernova- Same as before.

No point repeating the Grand Final, as only one result would change from TR2's fights: Dantomkia would be destroyed by Carbide; it simply wasn't as resilient as TR2, and wouldn't recover the points. Dantomkia finishes third with 3 points after beating zombie Thor and losing to Apollo via breakdown or running out of gas. Raz3r(talk) 16:56, October 20, 2017 (UTC)

Carbide is irreparable

Well, it's been a while since this thread has become relevant, but I feel this really needs to be bought up because this particular scenario changes practically everything we knew about Series 10. We all know that the first round clash between Carbide and Gabriel 2 was one of the best fights ever (and if it isn't in the Top 10 of Nweston's little Ultimate Countdown project, I will be sorely disappointed). However, although Carbide won that battle, it very nearly had to withdraw due to all the pressure that Gabriel put it under. So here's the question...what would have happened if Carbide had been forced to withdraw? How would Series 10 have gone from there?

First things first, I think it's fair to assume that the reveal that Carbide had withdrawn would have been after the Redemption Battles, so presumably Eruption, Big Nipper and Aftershock are already through to the heat-semis at this point. But the question is, does any other robot replace it, and if so, does this affect the line-up? I mean, logic suggests that Gabriel would be the one to come in as a replacement, but that would still require the entire line-up to be changed - after all, to simply put it in Carbide's place would have it face Aftershock yet again.

If anyone has any thoughts on how it'd go, I'd be most curious. CrashBash (talk) 19:54, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

TBH, after Vulture vs Terrorhurtz and Rapid vs Track-tion, I wouldn't put it past the producers to run Aftershock vs Gabriel 2 for a second time. Given how poorly Gabriel 2 ran in the World Series as a result of Aftershock damage, it probably wouldn't accrue a win against any opponent anyway, so you may as well either give Aftershock the bye, or a free win over Gabriel 2. TOAST, FLIPPER 20:00, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

That would then mean Will does face off against bff Eruption, and even without the controversy, I still back Eruption. That puts Aftershock into the 10-way instead, and that's where things get interesting... CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 21:20, January 14, 2018 (UTC)