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Well, we have reached that time again where we set up yet another Arena tournament! Got to be honest, this is probably the most hyped I have been for a competition since Ragnabot 3. So, let's tackle a few pressing issues. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Judges

Currently, Toast, Diotoir and Adster are the Judges. Are any of you planning to stay on or resign? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

• I'll stay on.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:41, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
• If nobody minds, I'll stay on. Adster1005 16:52, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
• Here I am again! TOAST 21:08, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Format

So far, I have planned to expand Series 6 from 12 heats to 16, to accomodate a larger range of overseas robots. For the Semi-Finals, I am utilising Adster's Series 7 format. Any objections to this? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Fine with 16 heats. Since it's Series 6, I'm assuming 4 way melees for Round 1. Would this be correct? Adster1005 16:54, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Yep, can't be any less than 16 heats. TOAST 21:08, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

In fact, I have a clearer idea of what the format should be now. See the bottom of the page please! TOAST 21:16, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Seeds

Seeds will remain for realism purposes, but of course there will be an additional four places up for grabs. Likely, those places will be filled by the top international stars. Seed structure will be voted on by users at the same time as bin candidates. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Extreme Warriors: Season 2, Dutch Robot Wars: Series 2 and German Robot Wars: Canon or non-existent?

Something that will certainly influence our choice of seeds s whether the following three series have "happened" in this timeline or not. Panzer Mk 4 is certainly going to be seeded regardless, but PulverizeR and Black Hole won't be so lucky. So what do people think? I personally would support making these series canon so that the "big" matches can occur later on in the tournament. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Agree with both, seeds are a definite for me, and having the USA/NED/GER tournaments "pre-Series 6". Adster1005 16:55, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

This needs to be a tournament including their cream of the crop, so I'd say they should all be considered as happened so we can seed the right robots. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:05, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, let's seed those foreign big bots. NJGW (talk) 18:10, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. I think we could honestly get rid of Stinger and Tornado while we're at it, and replace them with Tricerabot 3.0 and Philipper 2 due to being runners up of their respective series, so we'd have all semi-finalists/grand finalists for seeds.Raz3r(talk) 18:21, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Alright sure, I was gonna say this takes place instead of the other series and treat the foreign bots as relative newcomers, but I've been convinced. Agree with the above. TOAST 21:08, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Bin candidates

For starters, I propose we automatically include all Grand Finalists from the three international competitions. My reasoning is that it would be ridiculous, especially if we are going to say the competitions are canon, for some of the top performing machines to not compete here. And yes, if it means having to include Tyke, so be it. Excluding Krab-Bot, there are about 19 Grand Finalists to add if I am not mistaken, leaving 13 spots up for grabs.

That's too few in my opinion, considering how many good or at least competent international machines there were in the three series. Happily, because there were several uncompetitive Series 6 machines, we can probably extend the number of spots by a decent margin by removing some of the deadweight. I in particular plan to be ruthless when it comes to kicking out uncompetitive Series 6 robots, in order to get the best quality tournament possible. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

What about F2Q robots?

While the cream of the crop of international machines will be making their way to this tournament, I have also entertained the possibility of allowing people to enter in F2Q robots. I am happy either way, although for quality purposes, my bin candidates will probably only add in a few machines that I know can do well, like King B Powerworks and Splinter. No Cerberus or Draven this time around! What are your thoughts about this? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I'd personally keep out the F2Q robots purely to focus on creating a mixture of the four national series and making sure each gets good representation. Why worry about picking from the F2Q pools when we have so many international robots to pick from instead? CrashBash (talk) 16:55, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

For S6, I think I'd only be fussed about King B. If we need one more robot (say we're at 127 and need one more), then I'd suggest KB, but if we can create a full roster from international robots, then leave F2Qs. Adster1005 16:58, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

By my calculations, the combined total of Series 6, Extreme Warriors 2, Dutch 2 and German comes to over 190 robots. I don't think having to resort to F2Q machines will be an issue. CrashBash (talk) 17:00, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

In that case, no F2Qs then for me. Adster1005 17:03, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

A list of canon and "legends" https://robotwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Diotoir_the_son_of_nemesis/_Canon_and_%22Legends%22 Also the only three I can think of is King B, Atomic and Destruct-A-Bubble as the F2Q competitors to include, but yeah, let's not include any.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 17:29, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I think we should have F2Qs, but only a few, and some that can actually do well, and that we have a fair idea of how well they can do. I've suggested a few, but we should probably have only a few as possible. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:20, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I don't want any F2Q robots. We only have 16 heats to include robots from Series 6, Dutch Series 2, Extreme Warriors Season 2 and German Robot Wars. We should try to fit in as many of these robots as we can, without sacrificing more slots for extra UK machines.

Special events

No special events are planned at the moment, so that these contests remain fresh once we get to Redone Extreme 2. Besides, to be quite honest I have often noted a lack of votes with such battles anyway, so it might be worth waiting for them to become the "main" attraction instead of wasting them here. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

How about Sumo using only overseas robots? Hogwild94 (talk) 18:18, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I'm completely burnt out on special events. Frankly, the Challenge Belt killed my interest in Random Series 4 as a whole, it was a constant distraction that just got in the way. Save this stuff for an Extreme 2 event in the future. TOAST 21:08, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Well sorry for trying to make you not just vote in one battle at a time. Jimlaad43(talk) 21:51, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Vote here

SpaceManiac888

Seeds

1. Razer 2. Bigger Brother 3. Firestorm 4 4. Hypno-Disc 5. Chaos 2 6. Panzer Mk 4 7. Dominator 2 8. PulverizeR 9. S3 10. Black Hole 11. Tricerabot 3.0 12. Philipper 2

13. Panic Attack 14. Wild Thing 15. Spawn Again 16. Tsunami 17. Bamm Bamm 18. Destructive Criticism 19. Scrap-2-Saur 20. The Falcon Mark 2 21. Stinger 22. Tornado 23. Lizzard 24. Crushtacean

So, my updated list. Top 9 remain as they are, I still personally believe Chaos 2 and Dominator 2's UK credentials slightly outmatch the US and Dutch champions respectively. Black Hole gets a buff for being the German champion, but S3's run, which involved beating Stinger, Spawn Again and Wild Thing, slightly edges it out. Meanwhile, the US and Dutch runners-up edge out the Semi-Final Round 1 dropouts.

Nonetheless, the trio of Panic Attack, Wild Thing and Spawn Again displace the German runners-up Tsunami, because their three wins (to Tsunami's three victories), carry more weight when no title is involved. Next, we have the four Dutch and US machines that just missed out on the final two of their respective series. Bamm Bamm's double Grand Finalist status, however lucky its second one was, carries more weight. Destructive Criticism comes next, because its lack of Season 1 appearances actually helps it, when compared to the other two having miserable first series campaigns. Scrap-2-Saur displaces The Falcon Mark 2 because it lost to the eventual champion.

Stinger and Tornado are up next for their great performances prior to Series 5. Finally, Lizzard deserves a spot for its double Grand Finalist status, while Crushtacean's promising Series 5 campaign plus its great Dutch Series 2 performances warrants it the final spot. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:17, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Diotoir

Seeds

1. Razer 2. Bigger Brother 3. Firestorm 4 4. Hypno-Disc 5. Panzer Mk 4 6. PulverizeR 7. Black Hole 8. Chaos 2

9. Dominator 2 10. S3 11. Panic Attack 12. Wild Thing 13. Spawn Again 14. Stinger 15. Tornado 16. Crushtacean

In my eyes, Champions should take a higher priority, however, because the UK version is the main version, the top four and the top four from Series 5. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 17:25, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

CrashBash

I tried to ponder over which robots to specifically bin and in, but I ended up doing it the long way around, namely by listing all the robots across the four series, then removing those that either didn't work, were team repeats or were uncompetitive, and then slowly wittled it down to 128. By that time, I completely forgot which robots I was specifically removing, soooo.....here's the complete list.

Seeds

TBA

Hogwild94

Seeds

1. Razer 2. Bigger Brother 3. Firestorm 4 4. Hypno-Disc 5. Chaos 2 6. Panzer Mk 4 7. PulverizeR 8. Black Hole 9. Dominator 2 10. S3 11. Panic Attack 12. Wild Thing

13. Spawn Again 14. Stinger 15. Tornado 16. Crushtacean 17. Behemoth 18. Tsunami 19. X-Terminator 20. The Revolutionist 21. Bulldog Breed 22. S.M.I.D.S.Y. 23. Manta 24. Thermidor 2

Raz3r

Seeds

I feel like Tricerabot 3.0 being the runner-up in EW2 should carry some weight to it. Putting it above all of the non-semi-finalists feels justified for me. I also think Philipper 2 should go above Crushtacean due to defeating it in DS2, and it's the runner up in DS2, ensuring no seeds are robots which failed to reach the semi finals. Crushtacean deserves the last spot due to its S5 heat final alongside its DS2 Grand Final.

1. Razer 2. Bigger Brother 3. Firestorm 4 4. Hypno-Disc 5. Panzer Mk 4 6. PulverizeR 7. Black Hole 8. Chaos 2

9. Dominator 2 10. S3 11. Panic Attack 12. Wild Thing 13. Spawn Again 14. Tricerabot 3.0 15. Philipper 2 16. Crushtacean

Jimlaad43

Seeds

1. Razer 2. Panzer Mk 4 3. PulverizeR 4. Black Hole 5. Bigger Brother 6. Tricerabot 3.0 7. Philipper 2 8. Tsunami 9. Firestorm 4 10. Hypno-Disc 11. Chaos 2 12. Destructive Criticism 13. Scrap-2-Saur 14. Dominator 2 15. Pussycat 16. Wild Thing 17. Falcon Mark 2 18. Bamm Bamm 19. Son of Armageddon 20. S3 21. Panic Attack 22. Rosie the Riveter 2 23. Krab-Bot/Crushtacean 24. Propeller-Head

25. Spawn Again 26. Wheely Big Cheese 27. Tornado 28. Lizzard 29. Tyke 30. Stinger 31. S.M.I.D.S.Y. 32. Bulldog Breed 2 33. Fluffy 34. Rocky-Bot-Boa 35. Conquering Clown 2 36. Twister (Dutch) 37. Thermidor 2 38. The Revolutionist 39. Meshuggah 40. Not Perfect 41. Corkscrew 42. Kat 3 43. Rick 44. Manta 45. Sir Chromalot 46. Terrorhurtz 47. Tiberius 3 48. General Chompsalot 2

32 seeds, with the Series 5 way of putting two seeds in a heat. I prioritised champions first, with championships in the order of UK, US, Dutch, German for how many heats there were, so therefore "harder" to win. I tried to make sure each heat would have one British and one International robot in them, so there are 16 UK seeds and 16 International seeds. I honestly think unless some orders want to be switched around that this seeding pile is ready to go. We've seen from the Series 4 seedings that the producers liked to really big up the International tournaments in the seedings, with Razer and Behemoth's inflated ranking, so it only seems fair that the four champions are 1-4. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:42, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Adjusted for 48 seeds now, still keeping one UK and one Foreign seed per heat. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:53, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Wheely Big Cheese will not be competing. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:54, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

TOAST

Seeds

Even if we know the foreign finalists are generally lower in quality than the UK ones, I still want to give them relatively equal priority in the interest of fairness. After all, they're new to the "UK viewing audience" in this context, we don't want to present them as inferior.

1. Razer
2. Panzer Mk4
3. PulverizeR
4. Black Hole
5. Bigger Brother
6. Firestorm IV
7. Hypno-Disc
8. Tricerabot 3.0
9. Philipper II
10. Tsunami
11. Chaos 2
12. Dominator II
13. S3
14. Destructive Criticism
15. The Falcon Mark II
16. Scrap-II-Saur
17. Bamm Bamm
18. Son of Armageddon
19. Panic Attack
20. Wild Thing
21. Spawn Again
22. Lizzard
23. Tyke
24. Tornado

TOAST 08:59, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Let's start over - new suggestion

Right lads, I've looked through the discussions here and I think we're going down the wrong path. We're clearly trying to whittle down to 128 (16 heats) with lots of binned robots being suggested. Honestly I don't think this is the right approach - some of the lower tier Series 6 matchups could make for really interesting matches against the mid-to-upper tier robots from the international series. Colossus for example is completely out of depth in Series 6, but just by having a working flipper it might get some wins on US/Dutch/German bots. Similarly, I think we're limiting ourselves to only the better robots from the foreign series, when we should open the floor to pretty much everyone.

If we go beyond 16 heats, the next logical step is 24 heats of eight. That's 192 robots, and yes, this can be done purely by taking robots from Series 6, Dutch Series 2, German Robot Wars and Extreme Warriors Season 2 with hardly any cuts. Let me break it down:

• Series 6: 96 robots
• Dutch Series 2: 39 robots (exc. Crushtacean)
• German Series: 12 robots (exc. Dynamite and Das Gepack)
• Extreme Warriors Season 2 (main competition + Ninjitsu): 49

96 + 39 + 12 + 49 = 196

This format allows us to include everyone bar only four, from the 4x 2002 series. Let's get rid of Doctor Fist, Scarab, Vortex Inducer and Thorgrim (the four that didn't move), and call that a lock. What do we say? TOAST 21:30, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, would probably seem the fairest and simplest thing to do in the circumstances. And, provided we do two heats at a time, it shouldn't take all that much longer either. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:50, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I vote for this. There are certain robots I like the look of, like Lightning Tracks and G Force that would easily get binned if we whittle the field down to 128. This would prevent that from happening. RelicRaider (talk) 21:53, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely in support of this route. I'm a big fan of a lot of the foreign machines, and it gives every tier of machine opportunities against new opponents from other contries. NJGW (talk) 22:16, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Y'know what, go for it. I'm all for supporting this. CrashBash (talk) 03:41, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Agree with this.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 05:54, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Great to see we're on board with this suggestion. If you made a seeding list, you may want to update it to feature 24 robots. I'd also suggest that out of the two Jerome Miles robots, we include Hyperactive over Unibite for being nore reliable and damaging. TOAST•

Yep, all good. Might want to have a full list of robots, in that case. 24 seeds, hmm, let's think about this... SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 07:49, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Actually, that isn't the worst idea. Would that the lead to 2 X 12 robot Semi-Finals of 4 X 6 Semi-Finals with one from each? Adster1005 07:50, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

If anyone wants a list of all robots, they are listed by heat,here. Adster1005 08:32, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Competitor list

1. 13BLACK
2. 259
3. 4x4
4. Aggrobot 3
5. A-Kill
6. Anarchy
7. Armadrillo
8. Axe-C-Dent II
9. Barbaric Response
10. Barber-Ous II
11. Behemoth
12. Bigger Brother
13. Brutus Maximus
14. Bulldog Breed
15. Cedric Slammer
16. Chaos 2
17. Chompalot
18. Colossus
19. Comengetorix
20. Corkscrew
21. Crushtacean (Krab-Bot)
22. Cyrax
23. Dantomkia
24. Demolition Man
25. Derek 2
26. Destructosaur
27. Disc-O-Inferno
28. Dominator II
29. Double Trouble
30. Edge Hog
31. Firestorm IV
32. Fluffy
33. GBH 2
34. Granny's Revenge II
35. Hot Pants
36. Hydra
37. Hypno-Disc
38. ICU
39. Infernal Contraption
40. Infinity (UK)
41. Inshredable
42. Iron-Awe 2
43. Judge Shred 2½
44. Kan-Opener
45. Kat 3
46. Killer Carrot 2
47. Kronic 2
48. Major Tom
49. Mega Hurts 2
50. Mighty Mouse
51. Ming III
52. Mr Nasty
53. Panic Attack (Gold)
54. Raging Reality
55. Razer
56. Reptirron the Second
57. Revenge of Trouble & Strife
58. Revolution 2
59. Riptilion
60. Robochicken
61. R.O.C.S.
62. Roobarb
63. Ruf Ruf Dougal
64. S3
65. Sabretooth
66. Short Circuit
67. Shredder
68. Sir Chromalot
69. S.M.I.D.S.Y.
70. Spam
71. Spawn Again
72. Spin Doctor (UK)
73. Spirit of Scorpion
74. St. Agro
75. Stinger
76. Sumpthing
77. Supernova
78. Terror-Bull
79. Terrorhurtz
80. Tetanus II
81. The Alien
82. The Hassocks Hog
83. The Stag
84. Thermidor II
85. Thor
86. Tiberius III
87. Tornado
88. Tridentate
89. UFO
90. Vader
91. Warhog
92. W.A.S.P.
93. Weld-Dor 3
94. Wild Thing
95. X-Terminator
96. √3
97. Alien Destructor II
98. Amok
99. Bamm Bamm
100. Beaverbot
101. Blackdevil Warzone
102. Bloody Murder Weapon
103. Bluemax
104. Cyclone (Dutch)
105. Das Gepäck
106. Flepser
107. Gravity
108. Hammerhead 2
109. Hard (Loan)
110. Hoot
111. IDO
112. Impact
113. Infinity (Dutch)
114. Lizzard
115. Meshuggah
116. NAMAZU
117. Neater
118. ODT-Zero
119. Philipper II
120. Pika III
121. Project Two: Hex'em
122. PulverizeR
123. Scrap-II-Saur
124. Shapeshifter
125. Slamtilt
126. Tartarus
127. The Black Beast
128. The Lethal Swan
129. Tough as Nails
130. Trazmaniac
131. Twisted Metal EVO
132. Twister
133. Absolut Krankhaft
134. Ansgar's Revenge
135. Black Hole
136. Delldog
137. Golem
138. Hydrotec
139. Junkyard Queen
140. Not Perfect
141. Son of Armageddon
142. Tsunami
143. Tyke
144. Basenji
145. Black Widow
146. Brawler
147. Brute
148. Bunny Attack
149. Buzz
150. Conquering Clown 2
151. Cyclone (US)
152. Darkness
153. Destructive Criticism
154. Diskotek
155. Dragbot
156. General Chompsalot 2
157. G-Force
158. Hyperactive (rep. Unibite)
159. Joker
160. King of Diamonds
161. Lightning Tracks
162. Mad Cow Bot
163. Manta
164. Marauder
165. Mechadroid
166. Medusa Oblongotta
167. Night Stalker
168. Ninjitsu
169. Panzer Mk4
170. Paul Bunyan
171. Probophobia
172. Propeller-Head
173. Psycho Chicken
174. Rocky-Bot-Boa
175. Rosie the Riveter II
176. Run Away
177. Sir Force A Lot
178. Snake Bite
179. Snookums
180. Spin Doctor (US)
181. Techno Trousers
182. Texas Tornado
183. The Bat
184. The Falcon Mark II
185. The Gap
186. The Revolutionist
187. The Termite
188. Trackzilla
189. Tricerabot 3.0
190. Trilobyte
191. Tyranabot
192. Xylon

Omitted - Doctor Fist, Thorgrim, Scarab and Vortex Inducer. Opportunity to replace Amok with another US side event bot if we give one team two robots. TOAST 08:57, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps we could take Hannibal from Nickelodeon? Jimlaad43(talk) 09:14, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

That's fair. I think the only Nickelodeon exclusives who weren't loanerbots are Hannibal and the very underweight Piecemaker. Much as I like some of those loanerbots like Tut Tut and Vert-I-Go, it makes sense to just take Hannibal as a replacement for Amok. That should finalise the list unless there are other suggestions? TOAST 09:32, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Hmm... perhaps Rick? :P SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:34, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Oh crap, I've just given Rick a seeding even though it didn't take part in Series 6. What an idiot, I'll fix that xD Jimlaad43(talk) 09:55, July 9, 2020 (UTC)