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Well, we have reached that time again where we set up yet another Arena tournament! Got to be honest, this is probably the most hyped I have been for a competition since Ragnabot 3. So, let's tackle a few pressing issues. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Judges

Currently, Toast, Diotoir and Adster are the Judges. Are any of you planning to stay on or resign? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

• I'll stay on.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:41, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
• If nobody minds, I'll stay on. Adster1005 16:52, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
• Here I am again! TOAST 21:08, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Format

So far, I have planned to expand Series 6 from 12 heats to 16, to accomodate a larger range of overseas robots. For the Semi-Finals, I am utilising Adster's Series 7 format. Any objections to this? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Fine with 16 heats. Since it's Series 6, I'm assuming 4 way melees for Round 1. Would this be correct? Adster1005 16:54, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Yep, can't be any less than 16 heats. TOAST 21:08, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

In fact, I have a clearer idea of what the format should be now. See the bottom of the page please! TOAST 21:16, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Since we are now having 24 heats, can I ask if we're having the usual 2 semi-finals, but with an extra round (whatever the format) or 4 usual semi-finals? I think I asked this earlier, but can't remember. Adster1005 16:21, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Good question. Think I might do four typical Semi-Finals, then the Dutch Series 2 Grand Final format (8 machines in one-on-one matches). Might need to figure out which seeds are expected to fight who at each stage. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:02, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Ignore if you want, but if you do the usual A1, B3, C5, D7, E9, F11, G13, H15, I17, J19, K21, L23, M24, N22, O20, P18, Q16, R14, S12, T10, U8, V6, W4, X2.

Then it's a case of something like (Losers' Melee, I presume):

• • • S-F1 - AvL - FvG - DvI
    • S-F2 - BvK - EvH - CvJ
    • S-F3 - XvM - SvR - UvP
    • S-F4 - WvN - TvQ - VvO

Then, if it's all seeds I'd suggest AvU, BvV, CvW, DvX (or if they aren't the top seeds. something vaguely similar). Or, if people aren't too fussed, randomness, keeping 1, 2, 3 and 4 apart for fairness, obviously for realness. Adster1005 19:34, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Why not try to do the 3-way melees from Ragnabot 3 to whittle it down to 16 Semi-Finalists? Jimlaad43(talk) 20:59, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Nah, I would rather have all 24 heat winners be official Semi-Finalists. Think I will use Adster's format for the Semi-Finals, seems OK to me. One other thing: Going to start two heats once the former two are finished, to ensure this massive tournament does not lag too much. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:15, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Seeds

Seeds will remain for realism purposes, but of course there will be an additional four places up for grabs. Likely, those places will be filled by the top international stars. Seed structure will be voted on by users at the same time as bin candidates. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Extreme Warriors: Season 2, Dutch Robot Wars: Series 2 and German Robot Wars: Canon or non-existent?

Something that will certainly influence our choice of seeds s whether the following three series have "happened" in this timeline or not. Panzer Mk 4 is certainly going to be seeded regardless, but PulverizeR and Black Hole won't be so lucky. So what do people think? I personally would support making these series canon so that the "big" matches can occur later on in the tournament. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Agree with both, seeds are a definite for me, and having the USA/NED/GER tournaments "pre-Series 6". Adster1005 16:55, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

This needs to be a tournament including their cream of the crop, so I'd say they should all be considered as happened so we can seed the right robots. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:05, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, let's seed those foreign big bots. NJGW (talk) 18:10, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. I think we could honestly get rid of Stinger and Tornado while we're at it, and replace them with Tricerabot 3.0 and Philipper 2 due to being runners up of their respective series, so we'd have all semi-finalists/grand finalists for seeds.Raz3r(talk) 18:21, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Alright sure, I was gonna say this takes place instead of the other series and treat the foreign bots as relative newcomers, but I've been convinced. Agree with the above. TOAST 21:08, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Bin candidates

For starters, I propose we automatically include all Grand Finalists from the three international competitions. My reasoning is that it would be ridiculous, especially if we are going to say the competitions are canon, for some of the top performing machines to not compete here. And yes, if it means having to include Tyke, so be it. Excluding Krab-Bot, there are about 19 Grand Finalists to add if I am not mistaken, leaving 13 spots up for grabs.

That's too few in my opinion, considering how many good or at least competent international machines there were in the three series. Happily, because there were several uncompetitive Series 6 machines, we can probably extend the number of spots by a decent margin by removing some of the deadweight. I in particular plan to be ruthless when it comes to kicking out uncompetitive Series 6 robots, in order to get the best quality tournament possible. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

What about F2Q robots?

While the cream of the crop of international machines will be making their way to this tournament, I have also entertained the possibility of allowing people to enter in F2Q robots. I am happy either way, although for quality purposes, my bin candidates will probably only add in a few machines that I know can do well, like King B Powerworks and Splinter. No Cerberus or Draven this time around! What are your thoughts about this? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I'd personally keep out the F2Q robots purely to focus on creating a mixture of the four national series and making sure each gets good representation. Why worry about picking from the F2Q pools when we have so many international robots to pick from instead? CrashBash (talk) 16:55, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

For S6, I think I'd only be fussed about King B. If we need one more robot (say we're at 127 and need one more), then I'd suggest KB, but if we can create a full roster from international robots, then leave F2Qs. Adster1005 16:58, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

By my calculations, the combined total of Series 6, Extreme Warriors 2, Dutch 2 and German comes to over 190 robots. I don't think having to resort to F2Q machines will be an issue. CrashBash (talk) 17:00, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

In that case, no F2Qs then for me. Adster1005 17:03, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

A list of canon and "legends" https://robotwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Diotoir_the_son_of_nemesis/_Canon_and_%22Legends%22 Also the only three I can think of is King B, Atomic and Destruct-A-Bubble as the F2Q competitors to include, but yeah, let's not include any.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 17:29, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I think we should have F2Qs, but only a few, and some that can actually do well, and that we have a fair idea of how well they can do. I've suggested a few, but we should probably have only a few as possible. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:20, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I don't want any F2Q robots. We only have 16 heats to include robots from Series 6, Dutch Series 2, Extreme Warriors Season 2 and German Robot Wars. We should try to fit in as many of these robots as we can, without sacrificing more slots for extra UK machines.

Special events

No special events are planned at the moment, so that these contests remain fresh once we get to Redone Extreme 2. Besides, to be quite honest I have often noted a lack of votes with such battles anyway, so it might be worth waiting for them to become the "main" attraction instead of wasting them here. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:37, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

How about Sumo using only overseas robots? Hogwild94 (talk) 18:18, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I'm completely burnt out on special events. Frankly, the Challenge Belt killed my interest in Random Series 4 as a whole, it was a constant distraction that just got in the way. Save this stuff for an Extreme 2 event in the future. TOAST 21:08, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Well sorry for trying to make you not just vote in one battle at a time. Jimlaad43(talk) 21:51, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Wow, I quite enjoyed Series 3 Only Challenge Belt. It was also nice to see Pitbull and Ally Gator do alright for a change, rather than one flip and done robots. Adster1005 13:49, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Vote here

SpaceManiac888

Seeds

1. Razer 2. Bigger Brother 3. Firestorm 4 4. Hypno-Disc 5. Chaos 2 6. Panzer Mk 4 7. Dominator 2 8. PulverizeR 9. S3 10. Black Hole 11. Tricerabot 3.0 12. Philipper 2

13. Panic Attack 14. Wild Thing 15. Spawn Again 16. Tsunami 17. Bamm Bamm 18. Destructive Criticism 19. Scrap-2-Saur 20. The Falcon Mark 2 21. Stinger 22. Tornado 23. Lizzard 24. Crushtacean

So, my updated list. Top 9 remain as they are, I still personally believe Chaos 2 and Dominator 2's UK credentials slightly outmatch the US and Dutch champions respectively. Black Hole gets a buff for being the German champion, but S3's run, which involved beating Stinger, Spawn Again and Wild Thing, slightly edges it out. Meanwhile, the US and Dutch runners-up edge out the Semi-Final Round 1 dropouts.

Nonetheless, the trio of Panic Attack, Wild Thing and Spawn Again displace the German runners-up Tsunami, because their three wins (to Tsunami's three victories), carry more weight when no title is involved. Next, we have the four Dutch and US machines that just missed out on the final two of their respective series. Bamm Bamm's double Grand Finalist status, however lucky its second one was, carries more weight. Destructive Criticism comes next, because its lack of Season 1 appearances actually helps it, when compared to the other two having miserable first series campaigns. Scrap-2-Saur displaces The Falcon Mark 2 because it lost to the eventual champion.

Stinger and Tornado are up next for their great performances prior to Series 5. Finally, Lizzard deserves a spot for its double Grand Finalist status, while Crushtacean's promising Series 5 campaign plus its great Dutch Series 2 performances warrants it the final spot. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:17, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Diotoir

Seeds

1. Razer 2. Panzer Mk 4 3. PulverizeR 4. Black Hole 5. Bigger Brother 6. Tricerabot 3.0 7. Philipper 2 8. Tsunami 9. Firestorm 4 10. Destructive Criticism 11. Scrap-2-Saur 12. Son of Armageddon

13. Hypno-Disc 14. Falcon Mk2 15. Bamm Bamm 16. Tyke Wild Thing 17. Chaos 2 18. Crushtacean 19. Propeller-Head 20. Not Perfect 21. Tornado 22. Dominator 2 23. Panic Attack 24. S3

In my eyes, Champions should take a higher priority, with Runners up, the third placers and then fourth placers. It's now based on performance across the board (hence why Crushtacean and Tornado are higher up for winning and doing well in competitions outside of UK). Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:45, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

CrashBash

Seeds

Whilst I feel the top four of the UK series should ideally take priority, I will be giving as many of the other finalists the recognition they deserve. Subsequently, no UK robot other than the original 12 will be seeded. CrashBash (talk) 16:23, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

1. Razer
2. Bigger Brother
3. Firestorm 4
4. Hypno-Disc
5. Panzer Mk 4
6. Black Hole
7. PulverizeR
8. Chaos 2
9. Tricerabot 3.0
10. Tsunami
11. Philipper 2
12. Dominator 2
13. S3
14. Bamm Bamm
15. Destructive Criticism
16. Son of Armageddon
17. Panic Attack
18. Scrap-2-Saur
19. Falcon Mark 2
20. Wild Thing 2
21. Spawn Again
22. Stinger
23. Tornado
24. Tyke

Hogwild94

Seeds

1. Razer 2. Bigger Brother 3. Firestorm 4 4. Hypno-Disc 5. Chaos 2 6. Panzer Mk 4 7. PulverizeR 8. Black Hole 9. Dominator 2 10. S3 11. Panic Attack 12. Wild Thing

13. Spawn Again 14. Stinger 15. Tornado 16. Tsunami 17. Tricerabot 18. Philliper 2 19. The Revolutionist 20. Crushtacean 21. Scrap-2-Saur 22. Manta 23. Lizzard 24. Son of Armageddon

Raz3r

Seeds

I feel like Tricerabot 3.0 being the runner-up in EW2 should carry some weight to it. Putting it above all of the non-semi-finalists feels justified for me. I also think Philipper 2 should go above Crushtacean due to defeating it in DS2, and it's the runner up in DS2, ensuring no seeds are robots which failed to reach the semi finals. Crushtacean deserves the last spot due to its S5 heat final alongside its DS2 Grand Final.

1. Razer 2. Bigger Brother 3. Firestorm 4 4. Hypno-Disc 5. Panzer Mk 4 6. PulverizeR 7. Black Hole 8. Chaos 2

9. Dominator 2 10. S3 11. Panic Attack 12. Wild Thing 13. Spawn Again 14. Tricerabot 3.0 15. Philipper 2 16. Crushtacean

Jimlaad43

Seeds

1. Razer 2. Panzer Mk 4 3. PulverizeR 4. Black Hole 5. Bigger Brother 6. Tricerabot 3.0 7. Philipper 2 8. Tsunami 9. Firestorm 4 10. Hypno-Disc 11. Chaos 2 12. Destructive Criticism 13. Scrap-2-Saur 14. Dominator 2 15. Wild Thing 16. S3 17. Falcon Mark 2 18. Bamm Bamm 19. Son of Armageddon 20. Panic Attack 21. Spawn Again 22. Rosie the Riveter 2 23. Krab-Bot/Crushtacean 24. Propeller-Head

25. Stinger 26. Tornado 27. Behemoth 28. Lizzard 29. Tyke 30. S.M.I.D.S.Y. 31. Fluffy 32. Bulldog Breed 33. Twister (Dutch) 34. Rocky-Bot-Boa 35. Conquering Clown 2 36. Thermidor 2 37. Anarchy 38. The Revolutionist 39. Meshuggah 40. Not Perfect 41. Corkscrew 42. Kat 3 43. X-Terminator 44. Manta 45. Sir Chromalot 46. Terrorhurtz 47. Tiberius 3 48. General Chompsalot 2

32 seeds, with the Series 5 way of putting two seeds in a heat. I prioritised champions first, with championships in the order of UK, US, Dutch, German for how many heats there were, so therefore "harder" to win. I tried to make sure each heat would have one British and one International robot in them, so there are 16 UK seeds and 16 International seeds. I honestly think unless some orders want to be switched around that this seeding pile is ready to go. We've seen from the Series 4 seedings that the producers liked to really big up the International tournaments in the seedings, with Razer and Behemoth's inflated ranking, so it only seems fair that the four champions are 1-4. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:42, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Adjusted for 48 seeds now, still keeping one UK and one Foreign seed per heat. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:53, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Wheely Big Cheese will not be competing. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:54, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Rick and Wheely Big Cheese replaced by X-Terminator and Behemoth respectively. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:57, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Just a heads up, Pussycat isn't in Series 6. Adster1005 14:14, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Me being a moron #3. Thanks. Replaced with Anarchy (based off 101's reputation). Jimlaad43(talk) 14:30, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

TOAST

Seeds

Even if we know the foreign finalists are generally lower in quality than the UK ones, I still want to give them relatively equal priority in the interest of fairness. After all, they're new to the "UK viewing audience" in this context, we don't want to present them as inferior.

1. Razer
2. Panzer Mk4
3. PulverizeR
4. Black Hole
5. Bigger Brother
6. Firestorm IV
7. Hypno-Disc
8. Tricerabot 3.0
9. Philipper II
10. Tsunami
11. Chaos 2
12. Dominator II
13. S3
14. Destructive Criticism
15. The Falcon Mark II
16. Scrap-II-Saur
17. Bamm Bamm
18. Son of Armageddon
19. Panic Attack
20. Wild Thing
21. Spawn Again
22. Lizzard
23. Tyke
24. Tornado

TOAST 08:59, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Lewis05

Seeds

I'm sticking with the Brits who thought in the 5th wars & gave them the seeding numbers. So here's my list that I managed to cobbled together.

1. Razer
2. Bigger Brother
3. Firestorm 4
4. Hypnodisc
5. Chaos 2
6. Dominator 2
7. S3
8. Panic Attack
9. Wild Thing
10. Spawn Again
11. Stinger
12. S.M.I.D.S.Y
13. Bulldog Breed
14. Fluffy
15. Crushtacean
16. Kat 3
17. Corkscrew
18. Tornado
19. Behemoth
20. X-Terminator
21. Terrorhurtz
22. Sir Chromalot
23. Tiberius 3
24. Major Tom
25. The Alien
26. Iron Awe 2
27. Thermindor 2
28. Anarchey
29. Ming 3
30. Tetanus 2
31. Supernova
32. Kronic 2
33. Warhog
34. Robochicken
35. Sumpthing
36. 13 Black
37. Mighty Mouse
38. Ruf Ruf Dougal
39. Barber-Ous 2
40. Shredder
41. Kan Opener
42. Revenge of Trouble & Strife
43. Sabertooth
44. Hydra
45. 4X4
46. Axe-C-Dent 2
47. Derek 2
48. Wel-Dor 3

Lewis05 (talk) 12:30, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

That seems completely unfair and silly to not include any foreign robots at all. How have you given 13 Black a seeding when it has lost its only fight, but completely ignored the double champions in Panzer? Jimlaad43(talk) 13:05, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Would also like to point out that it's been decided that we're having 24 heats - so 32 seeds isn't really going to work I'm afraid. You could remove 8 or add 16 (if you want the Jimlaad approach of 2 seeds per heat)? Combatwombat555 (talk) 13:37, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

For EVERYONE'S information, I prefer to give all the seeding numbers to the Brits as series 6 was based in Britain & to be frankly honest with ya's. The Foreigners don't deserve to be seeded in this competition. That's my opinion & decision's & I'm sticking with them, like it or not. Lewis05 (talk) 17:00, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

But this isn't simply "Series 6", this is a competition that covers the entire international clause, like it or not yourself. The whole point of this tournament is to recognise the international competitors and their achievements. And you really think Panzer, PulverizeR and Black Hole don't deserve to be seeded, but Derek, 4x4 and Axe-C-Dent do? That's really grasping at straws. CrashBash (talk) 16:18, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

I mean, I can almost see the logic - UK audiences aren't going to be familiar with international competitors, and if this is how the real Series 6 went the producers might possibly decide to only seed UK machines to keep the continuity? As CrashBash says, this tournament is meant to be something of a celebration of international competitors - and even with that interpretation by my count you've then seeded 15 robots that at this point hadn't even won a battle... Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:34, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

I... I think we're safe to completely disregard this seeding list... TOAST 21:45, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

CombatWombat555

Seeds

1. Razer 2. Panzer Mk 4 3. PulverizeR 4. Black Hole 5. Bigger Brother 6. Firestorm 4 7. Hypno-Disc 8. Tricerabot 3.0 9. Philipper 2 10. Tsunami 11. Chaos 2 12. Dominator 2

13. S3 14. Destructive Criticism 15. Scrap-2-Saur 16. Son of Armageddon 17. The Falcon Mark 2 18. Bamm Bamm 19. Panic Attack 20. Wild Thing 21. Spawn Again 22. Lizzard 23. Krab-Bot/Crushtacean 24. Tyke

I'm liking the idea of putting the four champions as the top 4 seeds. Then the UK grand finalists, then the second placers, then the top 8 from Series 5. Seeds 14-18 are the third placed international machines, with those losing to the eventual champion in their respective wars placed higher - and Bamm Bamm slots in after The Falcon Mark 2 because it needed a wildcard to get there. The remaining UK semi-finalists next, with past results factored in, then the two remaining heat winners from Dutch Series 2 - which I feel beat out the US machines given that Lizzard was a former grand finalist, and Crustacean was a heat finalist in Series 5. Tyke, the last remaining top 4 machine not yet seeded, completes the 24. Combatwombat555 (talk) 13:00, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Adster

Seedings

NOTE: If people only want 24 seeds, then please keep my top 24 seeds as they are. Thanks. Adster1005 14:54, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

1. Razer 2. Panzer Mk 4 3. PulverizeR 4. Black Hole 5. Bigger Brother 6. Tricerabot 3.0 7. Philipper II 8. Tsunami (GS) 9. Firestorm 4 10. Hypno-Disc 11. Scrap-II-Saur 12. Destructive Criticism 13. Son of Armageddon 14. The Falcon Mark II 15. Bamm Bamm 16. Tyke 17. Chaos II 18. S3 19. Dominator II 20. Wild Thing 21. Panic Attack 24K 22. Spawn Again 23. Crushtacean 24. S.M.I.D.S.Y.

25. Stinger 26. Fluffy 27. Bulldog Breed 28. Corkscrew 29. Tornado 30. Twister 31. Twisted Metal EVO 32. Neater 33. Gravity 34. The Bat 35. Probophobia 36. √3 (Wortel Drie) 37. Hyperactive (rep. Unibite 2.0) 38. The Revolutionist 39. Manta 40. General Chompsalot II 41. Tyranabot 42. Brawler 43. Not Perfect 44. Junkyard Queen 45. Golem 46. Hydrotec 47. Pika III 48. Meshuggah

Justification

Champions get the top 4 no question, and runners-up get 5-8. I've split 3rd and 4th placers up between 9 and 16, dependent on performance (i.e. Tyke would have been in at 14, but The Falcon Mark II is instead. The remaining UK Semi-Finalists run down 17 to 22, with Crushtacean at 23 due to Dutch Series 2 and S.M.I.D.S.Y. at 24 due to having two good heat finals, and almost knocking out Chaos II (also to avoid a repeat of having it face a "good" machine like it did in 6th Wars Proper. The remaining UK Heat Finalists then run from 25-28, headed by Stinger, and since I forgot about WBC's exclusion, Tornado is in at 29. The Dutch next, and Twister as a Gradn Finalist gets 30, followed by TME (DS1 Grand Finalist), followed by the heat finalists apart from Wortel Drie at 36. I've put The Bat and Probophobia above them, can't exactly remember why. Hyperactive (originally Unibite) is at 36, and The Revolutionist as an ex runnerup gets 38. Manta as a previous Semi-Finalist in both the US and World Championship gets 39, with General Chompsalot 2 getting 40. Tyranabot and Brawler finish the US heat finalists, before the German Heat Finalists in positions of 5th-8th (Golem gets 45 as it entered the arena, albeit the Drop Zone), before Pika III as Belgian Champs, and Meshuggah at 48 due to it being the last Grand Finalist. Adster1005 14:11, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

I... really don't want 48 seeds. That's an entire quarter of the cast, I get the idea of hsving a good UK and International rep in each heat but I'm not willing to give out 48 seeds to achieve it. TOAST 14:37, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

For some reason, I must have thought that Series 6 had 24 seeds. Twice I've thought S6 had done something else (for some reason, I was trying to seed 13BLACK for S6, when it was a R1 dropout). 48 seeds, I won't lie is a bit of a push, but I'm not overly fussed, however if people only want 24, then keep my top 24 seeds. I don't want to change anything around, as for one or two robots, which most people have in their list, I'm not fussed. Adster1005 14:54, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

I agree, 48 seeds is too many. That said, there must be some way of ensuring the international robots get spread out evenly and fairly. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:34, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

12 UK seeds and 12 International seeds, that's the fairest way to do it. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:53, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Good idea, but would Crushtacean count as UK or International? Hogwild94 (talk) 18:56, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

International, that's where it gets a higher seeding from. Jimlaad43(talk) 20:14, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

NJGW

Seedings

1. Razer 2. Panzer Mk 4 3. PulverizeR 4. Black Hole 5. Bigger Brother 6. Tricerabot 3.0 7. Firestorm 4 8. Hypno-Disc 9. Chaos 2 10. Dominator 2 11. S3 12. Tornado

13. Philipper 2 14. Tsunami 15. Panic Attack 16. Wild Thing 17. Spawn Again 18. Destructive Criticism 19. Scrap-2-Saur 20. Stinger 21. Lizzard 22. The Falcon Mark 2 23. Crushtacean 24. Bamm Bamm

Haven't put too much thought into it, who knows I may have even missed a machine. However, basically I'm going with the Top 4 champion slots, then its mostly personal ranking. I give Tricerabot 3.0 a high ranking through the US Championship being a bigger tournament than the other foreign wars, and scatter the Semi-Final Round 2 Brits around it in the first 12 numbers, including Tornado for its undeniable strength in EX1. Philipper 2 and Tsunami take the next two spots over UK Semi-Final Round 1 losers, with other high finishers and Stinger taking the other spots.

Let's start over - new suggestion

Right lads, I've looked through the discussions here and I think we're going down the wrong path. We're clearly trying to whittle down to 128 (16 heats) with lots of binned robots being suggested. Honestly I don't think this is the right approach - some of the lower tier Series 6 matchups could make for really interesting matches against the mid-to-upper tier robots from the international series. Colossus for example is completely out of depth in Series 6, but just by having a working flipper it might get some wins on US/Dutch/German bots. Similarly, I think we're limiting ourselves to only the better robots from the foreign series, when we should open the floor to pretty much everyone.

If we go beyond 16 heats, the next logical step is 24 heats of eight. That's 192 robots, and yes, this can be done purely by taking robots from Series 6, Dutch Series 2, German Robot Wars and Extreme Warriors Season 2 with hardly any cuts. Let me break it down:

• Series 6: 96 robots
• Dutch Series 2: 39 robots (exc. Crushtacean)
• German Series: 12 robots (exc. Dynamite and Das Gepack)
• Extreme Warriors Season 2 (main competition + Ninjitsu): 49

96 + 39 + 12 + 49 = 196

This format allows us to include everyone bar only four, from the 4x 2002 series. Let's get rid of Doctor Fist, Scarab, Vortex Inducer and Thorgrim (the four that didn't move), and call that a lock. What do we say? TOAST 21:30, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, would probably seem the fairest and simplest thing to do in the circumstances. And, provided we do two heats at a time, it shouldn't take all that much longer either. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:50, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

I vote for this. There are certain robots I like the look of, like Lightning Tracks and G Force that would easily get binned if we whittle the field down to 128. This would prevent that from happening. RelicRaider (talk) 21:53, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely in support of this route. I'm a big fan of a lot of the foreign machines, and it gives every tier of machine opportunities against new opponents from other contries. NJGW (talk) 22:16, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Y'know what, go for it. I'm all for supporting this. CrashBash (talk) 03:41, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Agree with this.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 05:54, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Great to see we're on board with this suggestion. If you made a seeding list, you may want to update it to feature 24 robots. I'd also suggest that out of the two Jerome Miles robots, we include Hyperactive over Unibite for being nore reliable and damaging. TOAST•

Yep, all good. Might want to have a full list of robots, in that case. 24 seeds, hmm, let's think about this... SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 07:49, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Actually, that isn't the worst idea. Would that the lead to 2 X 12 robot Semi-Finals of 4 X 6 Semi-Finals with one from each? Adster1005 07:50, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

If anyone wants a list of all robots, they are listed by heat,here. Adster1005 08:32, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Competitor list

1. 13BLACK
2. 259
3. 4x4
4. Aggrobot 3
5. A-Kill
6. Anarchy
7. Armadrillo
8. Axe-C-Dent II
9. Barbaric Response
10. Barber-Ous II
11. Behemoth
12. Bigger Brother
13. Brutus Maximus
14. Bulldog Breed
15. Cedric Slammer
16. Chaos 2
17. Chompalot
18. Colossus
19. Comengetorix
20. Corkscrew
21. Crushtacean (Krab-Bot)
22. Cyrax
23. Dantomkia
24. Demolition Man
25. Derek 2
26. Destructosaur
27. Disc-O-Inferno
28. Dominator II
29. Double Trouble
30. Edge Hog
31. Firestorm IV
32. Fluffy
33. GBH 2
34. Granny's Revenge II
35. Hot Pants
36. Hydra
37. Hypno-Disc
38. ICU
39. Infernal Contraption
40. Infinity (UK)
41. Inshredable
42. Iron-Awe 2
43. Judge Shred 2½
44. Kan-Opener
45. Kat 3
46. Killer Carrot 2
47. Kronic 2
48. Major Tom
49. Mega Hurts 2
50. Mighty Mouse
51. Ming III
52. Mr Nasty
53. Panic Attack (Gold)
54. Raging Reality
55. Razer
56. Reptirron the Second
57. Revenge of Trouble & Strife
58. Revolution 2
59. Riptilion
60. Robochicken
61. R.O.C.S.
62. Roobarb
63. Ruf Ruf Dougal
64. S3
65. Sabretooth
66. Short Circuit
67. Shredder
68. Sir Chromalot
69. S.M.I.D.S.Y.
70. Spam
71. Spawn Again
72. Spin Doctor (UK)
73. Spirit of Scorpion
74. St. Agro
75. Stinger
76. Sumpthing
77. Supernova
78. Terror-Bull
79. Terrorhurtz
80. Tetanus II
81. The Alien
82. The Hassocks Hog
83. The Stag
84. Thermidor II
85. Thor
86. Tiberius III
87. Tornado
88. Tridentate
89. UFO
90. Vader
91. Warhog
92. W.A.S.P.
93. Weld-Dor 3
94. Wild Thing
95. X-Terminator
96. √3
97. Alien Destructor II
98. Bamm Bamm
99. Beaverbot
100. Blackdevil Warzone
101. Bloody Murder Weapon
102. Bluemax
103. Cyclone (Dutch)
104. Das Gepäck
105. Flepser
106. Gravity
107. Hammerhead 2
108. Hard (Loan)
109. Hoot
110. IDO
111. Impact
112. Infinity (Dutch)
113. Lizzard
114. Meshuggah
115. NAMAZU
116. Neater
117. ODT-Zero
118. Philipper II
119. Pika III
120. Project Two: Hex'em
121. PulverizeR
122. Scrap-II-Saur
123. Shapeshifter
124. Slamtilt
125. Tartarus
126. The Black Beast
127. The Lethal Swan
128. Tough as Nails
129. Trazmaniac
130. Twisted Metal EVO
131. Twister
132. Absolut Krankhaft
133. Ansgar's Revenge
134. Black Hole
135. Delldog
136. Golem
137. Hydrotec
138. Junkyard Queen
139. Not Perfect
140. Son of Armageddon
141. Tsunami
142. Tyke
143. Basenji
144. Black Widow
145. Brawler
146. Brute
147. Bunny Attack
148. Buzz
149. Conquering Clown 2
150. Cyclone (US)
151. Darkness
152. Destructive Criticism
153. Diskotek
154. Dragbot
155. General Chompsalot 2
156. G-Force
157. Hannibal
158. Hyperactive (rep. Unibite)
159. Joker
160. King of Diamonds
161. Lightning Tracks
162. Mad Cow Bot
163. Manta
164. Marauder
165. Mechadroid
166. Medusa Oblongotta
167. Night Stalker
168. Ninjitsu
169. Panzer Mk4
170. Paul Bunyan
171. Probophobia
172. Propeller-Head
173. Psycho Chicken
174. Rocky-Bot-Boa
175. Rosie the Riveter II
176. Run Away
177. Sir Force A Lot
178. Snake Bite
179. Snookums
180. Spin Doctor (US)
181. Techno Trousers
182. Texas Tornado
183. The Bat
184. The Falcon Mark II
185. The Gap
186. The Revolutionist
187. The Termite
188. Trackzilla
189. Tricerabot 3.0
190. Trilobyte
191. Tyranabot
192. Xylon

Omitted - Doctor Fist, Thorgrim, Scarab and Vortex Inducer. Opportunity to replace Amok with another US side event bot if we give one team two robots. TOAST 08:57, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps we could take Hannibal from Nickelodeon? Jimlaad43(talk) 09:14, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

That's fair. I think the only Nickelodeon exclusives who weren't loanerbots are Hannibal and the very underweight Piecemaker. Much as I like some of those loanerbots like Tut Tut and Vert-I-Go, it makes sense to just take Hannibal as a replacement for Amok. That should finalise the list unless there are other suggestions? TOAST 09:32, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

And Phantasm. Not that I think we'd be jumping to include Phantasm, somehow. CrashBash (talk) 17:36, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Hmm... perhaps Rick? :P SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:34, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Oh crap, I've just given Rick a seeding even though it didn't take part in Series 6. What an idiot, I'll fix that xD Jimlaad43(talk) 09:55, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

I think there is only 95 robots... should there be 96? I am going through them one by oneJust to check. Adster1005 18:52, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Just realised, it's Doctor Fist missing, but we said we were binning that, so it doesn't really matter. Adster1005 18:59, July 9, 2020 (UTC)

Very well. Based on the consensus above, Hannibal will take Amok's spot. I have replaced Amok with Hannibal on the list above. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 14:37, July 10, 2020 (UTC)

Seeded machines

1. Razer 2. Panzer Mk 4 3. Bigger Brother 4. PulverizeR 5. Black Hole 6. Firestorm 4 7. Hypno-Disc 8. Tricerabot 3.0 9. Philipper 2 10. Chaos 2 11. Tsunami 12. Dominator 2

13. S3 14. Destructive Criticism 15. Scrap-2-Saur 16. Panic Attack 17. Wild Thing 18. The Falcon Mark 2 19. Bamm Bamm 20. Son of Armageddon 21. Spawn Again 22. Tornado 23. Stinger 24. Tyke

The list was calculated without the lists of Raz3r (incomplete list) and Lewis (no international seeds, which is counterproductive for this tournament).

Some interesting positions, I must say. Bigger Brother managed to leapfrog the Dutch and German champions, while Tornado, Stinger and amazingly Spawn Again struggled to even get onto the list at all. Tyke steals the final spot from Crushtacean and Lizzard, who will have to brave the RANDOM.Org lottery. Overall, not a bad list to say the least. Onwards to the first two heats! SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 14:35, July 10, 2020 (UTC)

UCP migration

As we all probably know by now (and as detailed by VulcansHowl in the Community Portal), the UCP migration is going to occur on the Robot Wars Wiki soon. Irrespective of whether you love, loathe or really don't care about this update, there is going to be major disruption to the Wiki, and as a result, International Series 6.

As mentioned on the UCP announcement, the Wiki will become read-only as the transition occurs. For how long, I don't know, because it depends greatly on the size of the Wiki. Could be a couple of hours, could be a few days, who knows? Point is, updates for International Series 6 won't happen, at least on here for the time being. And with the introduction of Discussions replacing the Forums, there may also be an additional delay in terms of getting the hang of uploading new battles and how to vote on them.

Now to be fair, International Series 6 is a small cog in what will be affected by UCP. Nevertheless, I think it is a good idea to determine what course of action we should take so that the tournament runs smoothly. I have a couple of ideas:

1: Postpone the tournament until the transition has fully occurred and we get the hang of using Discussions. Keeps disruption to a minimal, and ensures we can continue where we left off, by starting with the next two heats. Also gives me time to experiment on whether the old way of uploading battles and having people vote will work or not.

2: Use Discord or another service to have people vote on until the transition is finished. Could be useful, considering there is a Robot Wars Wiki Discord that is hardly used, and would be ideal to have people vote on battles without being forced to wait until transition is completed.

So, what do you think ladies and gentlemen? SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 11:40, August 13, 2020 (UTC)