Votes for S3
- On the contrary, I think weapon reliability swings this S3's way. S3's disc very rarely stopped working, I think it only happened when Razer got the motor - other than that, it withstood pretty much everything, including big hits from Stinger and Mr Psycho and entanglement from Mousetrap. 13 Black's discs in contrast just didn't seem all that reliable, with both discs stopping against Double Trouble at this very stage IRL. A weapon-to-weapon impact then is likely to cause more trouble to 13 Black than S3, and if the discs do stop it's a sitting duck. Combatwombat555 (talk) 09:08, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
- Two horizontal discs should theoretically hold the cards over one vertical disc, but it really was quite easy to stop a 13BLACK disc and much of that is down to them being extremely soft for weight-saving measures. Frankly if I wasn't careful with 13BLACK at Robonerd then I could've damaged the discs myself, S3 will churn through them like nobody's business. I'm not saying 13BLACK won't be a threat, it's still dangerous while sitting and spinning and on the attack in general, but I trust S3 to hold up and maybe even flip its opponent over. TOAST 09:10, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
- 13BLACK's discs weren't overly reliable, and I just see S3 being repeatedly aggressive to either cause a breakdown, flip over or win a Judges' Decision. Adster1005 11:33, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
- Good fight this, neither machine has especially strong armour, both have powerful spinners and both robots were pretty reliable, in their drove at least. I’m convinced S3’s weapon would come out better in a collision though, 13 Black’s were stopped more than once by less dangerous opponents and attacks. 13 Black certainly has a shot of winning if it goes for the wheels, but S3 seemed surprisingly nimble on the turn, and is the better driven robot. Raz3r(talk) 17:03, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
- S3 I fancy would be quite resilient to another spinner, 13 Black not so much. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:43, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
- 13Black just doesn't strike me as hardly enough to stand up to S3's hits. I think if it sat and spun a lot it could cause issues, but it only really did that against Razer. Otherwise, it just attacked by driving normally. Once one flywheel gets locked in place, there's suddenly a lot less coverage about 13Black, and I think it will be dug into pretty consistently. NJGW (talk) 01:19, July 31, 2020 (UTC)
- Y'know, I honestly have no idea who'd win this clash....but S3 is winning now, so I may as well vote for it. CrashBash (talk) 04:12, July 31, 2020 (UTC)
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Votes for 13 Black
- Well, this is a clash that has occurred way too early on in this tournament, ha ha. I guess this would be considered a dream match, pitting two of the best spinners in Series 6. Nonetheless, I do think the double spinner has all the cards here. In terms of weapon reliability, both spinners have stop functioning at least once in battle, but whereas 13 Black can make do with its other disc, S3 would be doomed if its disc stopped. Additionally, I feel its disc is more vulnerable to being dislodged than 13 Black's; if 13 Black uses its spin-on-the-spot technique, chances are the hit will damage S3 more than its opponent, especially if at the wrong angle. While we cannot be certain that S3's disc will break immediately, due to the fact it never faced a truly powerful spinner, I ultimately feel it is more vulnerable than 13 Black's dooming it. Then, we have the elephant in the room... the exposed tyres. Indeed, S3's shape makes its tyres ideal for 13 Black's discs, not even having to aim at its opponent's disc in order to hit them. If S3's tyre gets hit, mobility will be instantly compromised. Ultimately, 13 Black should have the more reliable discs, and is more likely to hit the exposed wheels of its foe than vice-versa. Big name out either way. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:33, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
- 13 Black has such a large and powerful radius of doom, it's hard to deal with. 13 Black needs to be pressured constantly or neutralised quickly or it will keep itself ahead. Razer was able to keep the pressure up enough to force 13 Black into a driving mistake, while Dantomkia was able to flip it over for example. S3 doesn't have either of these qualities. It's awkward shape certainly helped, and it was well-driven yes, but it isn't the right kind of driving to keep the kind of pressure up that would threaten 13 Black. The angle of 13 Black's flywheels means that there isn't a chance of S3 being able to ping them off or up when the discs collide. It takes one good hit from 13 Black to bend S3's flywheel and it'll get stuck. 13 Black has large flywheels that can survive uppercuts, and if one goes it just swaps to the other. S3's exposed wheels are also good targets. I just don't see S3 being able to fit through the gap between the discs to get to the wheels without taking a considerable whack in the process, hobbling S3 at the same time. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:32, July 29, 2020 (UTC)
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