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Team Scutterbots' Spawn Again managed to ensure the team reached its third successive Semi-Final, eliminating Diotoir along the away. But once again, the team could not get past the first round of the Semi-Finals, losing to Razer, and then coming up short in the Losers' Melee. With an improved version of Spawn Again, the team will want to excel beyond that stage, perhaps even reaching the Grand Final for the first time. But Spawn Again has some stiff competition in its path, including Heat Finalists Bulldog Breed and S.M.I.D.S.Y., who are currently envious of Team Scutterbots' past success and want to match it. So, LET THE WARS BEGIN!

Round 1

Spawn Again (21) vs Twister vs S.M.I.D.S.Y. vs Chompalot

Spawn Again
Spawn Again S6
Votes
  1. Spawn Again and S.M.I.D.S.Y.. Now, I know what you're thinking. Spawn Again is most certainly a cripple here, and against three good machines, its days are numbered right? Well, being a cripple is not ideal, but I feel that Spawn Again doing nothing may actually give it a ticket to the next round. The reason is Twister. Twister certainly was a loose cannon in Dutch Series 2, causing extensive damage, but not looking too stable when doing so. Its damage output should be enough to put away Chompalot, who suffered badly against spinners like 13 Black, and has long flat sides that are perfect for dishing out damage. But the moment Twister battles S.M.I.D.S.Y., disaster will strike for the Dutch spinner. Indeed, I feel S.M.I.D.S.Y.'s lifter will not only absorb some blows from the spinner, it will also knock Twister unbalanced, enabling a solid drive from the Cyberspace machine to ultimately overturn it. Spawn Again, meanwhile, will just topple over a dead Chompalot, before breaking down itself. But because of Twister killing Chompalot and itself, the seed will just about survive. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:48, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  2. Spawn Again and S.M.I.D.S.Y. S.M.I.D.S.Y. was so involved in its opening melee, it wouldn't surprise if it didn't have a go at everyone else. Chompalot will get flipped over, and with Twister and S.M.I.D.S.Y.'s disc, I see Chompalot being unable to self-right. I then see Twister being the most vulnerable to being pushed around due to its shape, and Spawn will get some flips in in order to send it through on a Judges' Decision. Adster1005 10:56, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  3. S.M.I.D.S.Y. and Twister - Spawn Again didn't move in its first fight, therefore it's getting a minus vote from me. S.M.I.D.S.Y. will dominate, it's fast and aggressive and Twister is certainly damaging. Chompalot may survive but it is easy to bully and honestly, I feel Twister will avoid the threat of Spawn Again's flipper and can easily dish out damage towards S.M.I.D.S.Y. and IF Spawn Again does move (which it won't) a smack from the spinner will KO it for sure.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:33, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  4. Spawn Again and S.M.I.D.S.Y. Twister is a more than capable machine, proving as much in Dutch Series 2. I just can't help but feel they will be overwhelmed by a flipper like Spawn Again and a bot as aggressive as S.M.I.D.S.Y. in the same opening melee. Twister will likely cause visible damage to Chompalot that'll contribute to their demise, but the two remaining UK machines won't want to risk any damage from the triangular spinner later down the line. SFCJack (talk) 11:59, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  5. SMIDSY and Twister. Any other version of Spawn Again and this is a walk in the park. But it isn't. This is the terrible Series 6 one with awful aerial reception. One good cross-arena drive from SMIDSY and Spawn will die up top. Chompalot is vulnerable to the pusher and to Twister's spinner, so to be immoblised by the Dutch robot. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:24, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  6. Spawn Again and S.M.I.D.S.Y. Shame I couldn't convince more people on Wild Thing last round, but oh well, maybe I can do better here. Yes, it's easy to assume Spawn Again will randomly break down - but for what it's worth, it was usually OK for the first fight. That will be bad news for the srimechless Twister and the might-as-well-be-srimechless Chompalot (seriously, I don't recall it ever working, which is a shame). Obviously S.M.I.D.S.Y. is going to be the strongest. CrashBash (talk) 15:29, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  7. Spawn Again and S.M.I.D.S.Y.. Yes, I agree that Spawn Again will at least work properly for the first match. But it will be S.M.I.D.S.Y. doing most of the work here, doing most of the bullying of the two opponents before Spawn Again manages to squeeze out two flips to take them out. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:43, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  8. Spawn Again and S.M.I.D.S.Y. How many Series 6 fights did Spawn Again do well in? Not really any, just the Supernova fight. But who actually succeeded in immobilising it? Only Supernova and Terrorhurtz. It still went into the Spam, Supernova Pt II and Bigger Brother/Hypno-Disc fights and left alive irrespective of how it performed along the way. I do think it can hold up to Twister long enough to secure a KO. It doesn't even have to be a flip, we might have a bit of an Eruption vs Ironside3 where Twister kills itself just by hitting the wedge. It would be interesting to see Twister get through but it's really not suited to a melee environment. TOAST 20:16, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  9. S.M.I.D.S.Y. and Twister - I had a watch back of Spawn Again's melee to see how mobile it really was and it barely moved - creeping around the arena just enough to avoid getting counted out, only making contact with another robot after more than a minute of the televised edit, and it only got the flip in on Tiberius because Tiberius happened to die in an opportune spot and Supernova knocked Spawn Again into position. Maybe Spawn Again won't get fully immobilised, but all it would take is S.M.I.D.S.Y. (or Chompalot to be honest) pushing it into a CPZ and it'll have no impact on the rest of the fight as it struggles to inch its way out. Either enough hits from Twister or a S.M.I.D.S.Y. tip-over will do Chompalot in, and whilst there's potential for S.M.I.D.S.Y. to tip over Twister I can't see that happening before Spawn Again gets counted out. From Series 5 the S.M.I.D.S.Y. team know they're vulnerable to flippers, why wouldn't they use this ideal opportunity to eliminate Spawn Again? Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:13, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  10. S.M.I.D.S.Y. and Chompalot - Personally, I think Twister could be bundled over by S.M.I.D.S.Y. pretty early on, and S.M.I.D.S.Y. and Chompalot will then be active throughout, while Spawn Again evidently begins to struggle. Spawn Again will either be pushed around until the House Robots decide to pick on it, or will lose a Judges' decision. Spawn Again indeed did not get immobilised in its Series 6 Heat, but it only survived the melee after a boisterous Tiberius had its link knocked out, and then in Round 2 for how poor Spam was for pushing, followed by its random dive into the Pit. Here, Chompalot and S.M.I.D.S.Y. are good candidates to keep ticking over for me. NJGW (talk) 01:38, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
Twister
Twisterdutch2
S.M.I.D.S.Y.
S.M.I.D.S.Y
Chompalot
Chompalot
Results Qualified: Spawn Again and S.M.I.D.S.Y. Score: 6-3-10-1

Bulldog Breed vs The Revolutionist vs ODT-Zero vs Armadrillo

Bulldog Breed
Bulldog breed-removebg
Votes
  1. Bulldog Breed and ODT-Zero. Very much, a stacked heat. The problem for the two clear stars in this melee is that they are facing not only each other, but also two invertible machines that simply won't die. There comes a point for both of them where they realise that they must eliminate the other before long. For The Revolutionist, this may bring doom for it, because as much as some would say "Bulldog Breed's loss to Hypno-Disc = it being afraid of every other spinner in existence", the flipper actually targeted the spinners first in its real-life melee (and Infernal Contraption in Series 7). Sure, the three spinners are nowhere close to the status of Hypno-Disc, but it does show that rather than avoid the spinners, Bulldog Breed targets them first. With this logic, I can see it stopping The Revolutionist in its tracks, distrupting the full-body spinner before overturning a very easy shape. With no srimech, the American machine is out! Bulldog Breed to then progress with ODT-Zero on a Judges' decision because Armadrillo did jack in its real-life melee. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:48, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  2. Bulldog Breed and ODT-Zero A good heat here (unfortunately for S.M.I.D.S.Y., who I hoped would finally get a heat win). I see The Revolutionist being easy flipped by Bulldog Breed, before ODT-Zero has a go at Armadrillo, which did next to nothing in its first-round melee (apart from memorably surviving a count out). With this, an easy Judges' decision follows for Bulldog Breed and ODT-Zero. Adster1005 11:32, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  3. Bulldog Breed and The Revolutionist - Armmadrillo's dead and The Revolutionist is in danger for sure, but ODT was hardly the most mobile machine. Bulldog is scared of the deadly spinner and considering the Revolutionist was fast at getting up to speed as well and a bit of a dodger, I feel it should get ready to batter ODT and Armadrillo. ODT is vulnerable in almost all departments while Bulldog Breed may just avoid the deadly spinner, unless it risks getting damaged (as I mentioned, the speed is a threat).But like I said, the Revolutionist is in danger if the Bulldog goes straight for it...Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:37, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  4. Bulldog Breed and The Revolutionist I have faith that The Revolutionist will evade attacks from Bulldog Breed throughout this melee and therefore be allowed to freely attack ODT-Zero and Armadrillo. Bulldog Breed will likely set their sights on the weaker opposition before going after The Revolutionist once the others have been immobilised. SFCJack (talk) 12:09, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  5. Bulldog Breed and The Revolutionist. If the spinner is working, Armadrillo and ODT0 are destroyed. If the spinner isn't working, the same two robots are going to be bullied and outclassed into an easy defeat. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:27, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  6. Bulldog Breed and The Revolutionist. I doubt Bulldog Breed will be willing to target Revolutionist, so ODT and Armadrillo will bear the brunt from both sides. CrashBash (talk) 15:30, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  7. Bulldog Breed and ODT-Zero. Fully agree that Bulldog Breed will target The Revolutionist straight away, as it always does when there's a spinner in the arena. I also don't think Bulldog Breed will have any trouble in getting that KO. It's armoured in titanium and even something as structurally thin as Rick was still able to hold off The Revolutionist and tip it over. I can't see Bulldog Breed getting broadsided by the full-body spinner which is how Hypno-Disc got its kills. Once the American is flipped, ODT-Zero and Bulldog Breed will comfortably deal with Armadrillo. TOAST 20:18, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  8. Bulldog Breed and The Revolutionist. I suspect Bulldog Breed's actual tactic would be 'try and get The Revolutionist first before it can get up to speed, but if it does before we can, team up with it against the other two'. I can see that happening here. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:45, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  9. Bulldog Breed and The Revolutionist - I agree that Bulldog Breed would try to eliminate The Revolutionist early, but only if it managed to get to it before it spun up - and I can't see that happening, given that Brian Nave would know that Bulldog Breed is clearly his biggest threat in this one and get the hell out of there. Once up to speed, Bulldog Breed abandons the pursuit in favour of easier pickings. ODT-Zero has massively vulnerable wheels to the big spinner, and Armadrillo won't do an awful lot. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:21, August 8, 2020 (UTC)
  10. Bulldog Breed and ODT-Zero - I'd be tempted to eliminate Bulldog Breed if The Revolutionist had a protruding spinner, but I think its shape is beautiful for Bulldog Breed to attack early and turn over. After that, yeah, ODT-Zero goes through too by default, essentially. NJGW (talk) 01:39, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
The Revolutionist
The Revolutionist US2
ODT-Zero
ODTZero
Armadrillo
Armadrillo
Results Qualified: Bulldog Breed and The Revolutionist Score: 10-6-4-0

Round 2

Spawn Again (21) vs The Revolutionist

Spawn Again The Revolutionist
Spawn Again S6
The Revolutionist US2
Votes for Spawn Again
  1. Impressive to see The Revolutionist on track for a Heat Final considering I feel it ahould've gone out in Round 1. Either way, I'm going to put Spawn's poor performance against Spam down to the full rebuild it went through following Supernova's onslaught. Here it should work well enough to get the one flip. TOAST
  2. Whereas The Revolutionist had two weaker bots to dance around in their melee, they'll have nowhere to hide in a 1v1 against a flipper like Spawn Again. Yes, Extreme 1 Spawn Again lost to Humdrum, but this is Series 6/Extreme 2 Spawn Again we're dealing with here, so I find using that fight as weight for an argument against another American spinner here a little irrelevant. I can see The Revolutionist getting glancing attacks to Spawn Again's sides, but knowing the attacks this iteration of the machine got against Tiberius 3, Bigger Brother, Hypno-Disc and the likes, I don't think it's too improbable that the same would happen to The Revolutionist, resulting in a KO. SFCJack (talk) 11:43, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
    I should point out that in some of those cases, the robot was pushed into Spawn Again not Spawn Again getting under and flipping it under its own action...(i.e. Spawn Again never actually went in and attacked rather an opponent was pushed towards it.) Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 18:55, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  3. Toast and SFCJack have convinced me, I do see Spawn Again getting that killer flip in at some point in the 5 minutes. Adster1005 18:23, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
Votes for The Revolutionist
  1. At this point, Spawn Again was capable of achieving at least one powerful flip. The only problem was that even against Spam, it seemed to be struggling mobility-wise. The only way I can see Spawn Again winning this one is if The Revolutionist decides to drive directly onto the flipper without spinning, which is the complete opposite of what a full-body spinner would do. Instead, after spinning up, I see The Revolutionist colliding with Spawn Again's side, a powerful blow that I cannot see the vulnerable flipper surviving. And to be quite honest, I would genuinely consider voting for The Revolutionist to beat a one hundred percent Spawn Again, so there we go! SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:25, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  2. At this point IRL Spawn Again had mobility problems after about a minute - and that wasn't anything from anything Spam was doing, that was from driving around and bumping into its opponent. Realistically then The Revolutionist just has to not find itself on Spawn Again's wedge before that point, and that's if it doesn't manage to knock Spawn Again out before then itself. A couple of good hits to Spawn Again's side and I can't see it lasting. Combatwombat555 (talk) 08:54, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  3. Spawn Again should have not won the first round I feel (especially when half the votes ignored the fact that Spawn Again didn't even move in its first round melee...can you guess that Spawn Again is my most hated robot? :P), but hey just like real like the crap machine survives by doing nothing. Thankfully, The Revolutionists are here to deliver some brutal hits and well just move. Spawn Again lost to Humdrum may I remind everyone, and I see something similar except here Spawn Again won't even move or have the ability to flip because it would barely move. Easy win here.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:07, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  4. Spawn Again should have lost to Spam at this point, a working (even a spinnerless) The Revolutionist will find it very easy to push Spawn Again around and defeat it. If the spinner is up to speed, we'll see the inside of the seeded robot. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:33, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  5. I did reconsider upon looking at Toast's vote, but ultimately, Spawn Again was still quite sluggish in every Series 6 encounter it had, not just the fight against Spam, and The Revolutionist should punish it for its troubles with some decent attacks on its side, until a KO blow is dealt out. Raz3r(talk) 11:42, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  6. Yeah, now we can talk about Spawn Again being prone to breaking down; The Revolutionist, provided it doesn't set itself with the flails, should be more than capable of knocking it out. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:41, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  7. Yeah, if there's chances to back Series 6 Spawn Again I am happy to take them, but this one here just feels too far to go. The Revolutionist will spin up, keep its distance and charge when it needs to. It'll have plenty of time to compose itself. NJGW (talk) 01:26, August 12, 2020 (UTC)
  8. Even assuming Spawn Again doesn't enter the arena crippled, it seemed generally sluggish throughout its fights, something Revolutionist could easily exploit. I don't see Spawn flipping it over. CrashBash (talk) 03:55, August 12, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: The Revolutionist (8-3)

S.M.I.D.S.Y. vs Bulldog Breed

S.M.I.D.S.Y. Bulldog Breed
S.M.I.D.S.Y. S6
Bulldog breed-removebg
Votes for S.M.I.D.S.Y.
  1. Now before anyone cites S.M.I.D.S.Y.'s troubles against Chaos 2, Dantomkia and Atomic, let's analyse Bulldog Breed first. As great a robot it was, Bulldog Breed had a few problems that make it vulnerable to S.M.I.D.S.Y.. Firstly, whereas the three flippers I previously mentioned were explosive, Bulldog Breed really wasn't. Pretty much, the trio overwhelmed S.M.I.D.S.Y., preventing it from achieving any good pushes. Bulldog Breed was rather inconsistent in this regard, because of its control. Most of the time, Bulldog Breed was a bat out of hell, sometimes doing well (throwing out Pussycat of course), and sometimes just outright missing its opponent or suffering more than its foe (against Hypno-Disc especially). And finally, the Series 6 Bulldog Breed had a surprisingly massive ground clearance at the sides and rear! So yes, while I suspect Bulldog Breed might achieve a few flips, its inability to overwhelm its opponent here, combined with lapses in control and a high ground clearance, will enable S.M.I.D.S.Y. to wedge in underneath and shove its foe around with authority. Bulldog Breed's boxy shape makes this especially easy to do. I should also mention just how relentless S.M.I.D.S.Y. was against Dominator 2, an opponent with better control and a more awkward shape, with a damaging weapon to boot. Bulldog Breed ultimately may just be victimised by too many good pushes, which will outweigh the aggression and control points that its flips may achieve. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:25, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  2. I'll agree with that, and I'd go further with Bulldog Breed's control. It either seemed to be incredibly aggressive or incredibly ponderous, taking an age to line up flips - in its Series 6 melee, for example, it flipped Spin Doctor, lobbed RoT&S over, and then took an age to flip Spin Doctor again to eliminate it - and in a fight where it can't easily kill off S.M.I.D.S.Y. I think these passive segments will really cost it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 09:01, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  3. Bulldog Breed was having a decent Series 6 up until this point, as was S.M.I.D.S.Y., having dominated it's first round melee. And they both will have had the same happen here. S.M.I.D.S.Y. gave Dominator II a real challenge, and who's to say it won't happen here. S.M.I.D.S.Y. in Actual Series 6 was dogged and determined and I see it avoiding the flipper, getting the disc in to score a few damage points. Bulldog can get a few flips in, but I see S.M.I.D.S.Y. also getting pushes in, and S.M.I.D.S.Y. might be able to pit Bulldog Breed, but if not, I see S.M.I.D.S.Y. winning a Judges' Decision. Adster1005 11:15, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
Votes for Bulldog Breed
  1. SMIDSYs record against flippers (Beast and St Agro) doesn’t give me confidence it can beat Bulldog Breed. No reason to think it won’t get stranded on the wall or just lobbed around like against Atomic or Dantomkia or Chaos 2. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:53, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  2. Had a thought about this and honestly I really disagree with what Space and Combat have been saying. Bulldog Breed, by this point, was more streamlined and aggressive, look at how it dealt with Pussycat and Diotoir in a matter of a minute, it was so quick and so on the move that honestly, as much as I love S.M.I.D.S.Y., it's history with flippers wasn't the best and Bulldog Breed having "no explosive power" seems a bit of an odd statement, as I mention the Extreme 2 examples and even in Series 6's first round melee it had quite a bit of explosive power, not as great as Chaos 2 nor Atomic's but decent enough to chuck and even strand S.M.I.D.S.Y. if given the chance. I just see S.M.I.D.S.Y. being chucked about and the Bulldog being extremely aggressive in its approach.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:16, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  3. There won't be an OotA, but even just a couple of flips from Bulldog Breed will outweigh anything that S.M.I.D.S.Y. can really do. I'm sure S.M.I.D.S.Y. will produce some lovely titanium sparks off Bulldog Breed's shell but not cause actual damage of note. Bulldog Breed only needs to get S.M.I.D.S.Y. over once to leave its wedge useless until it's next flipped over again. While S.M.I.D.S.Y. consistently had the quality and determination to push through to the upper halves of tournaments, it was never a major threat to the heat winner levels. Why is this a split vote again? I remember when Bulldog Breed was used as a device to get rid of Pulsar, feels odd to try and sacrifice it against S.M.I.D.S.Y. now. TOAST 11:29, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  4. Bulldog Breed is just as capable at getting around SMIDSY's sides as vice versa, and the attacks Bulldog Breed can deal out will look far more impressive on the score-sheet. Bulldog Breed wasn't the most devastating flipper in the arena, but it still got the better of a lot of good machines. SMIDSY would fare no better against Bulldog Breed than someone like Lightning did in the Tag Team Terror I think, a robot I think is much lower all round than SMIDSY, especially around the sides. Time and time again, SMIDSY had very little in the way of answers when it faced a robot with a good weapon that utilised said weaponry effectively. SMIDSY handled Dominator 2 competently early on, but once the attacks started coming down on SMIDSY it didn't respond well, even before the Growler slam. If pressure was constantly put on SMIDSY, it simply couldn't hack it, breaking down or slowing down considerably. This has been showcased not just by Dominator 2 in Series 6, but Pussycat in Extreme 1, Chaos 2 in Series 5, Dantomkia, Terrorhurtz and X-Terminator in Extreme 2, and Atomic twice in Series 7. That's a lot of machines, and I think Bulldog Breed can do the exact same thing, getting some decent flips in, constantly worrying SMIDSY until the onslaught becomes too much. Raz3r(talk) 11:42, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
    That feels very harsh on S.M.I.D.S.Y. Among those you've listed are the then-reigning champion, the then-second placed robot, and the then-fourth placed robot - none of which Bulldog Breed is the same calibre as, and none of which I could see Bulldog Breed defeating - and S.M.I.D.S.Y. put up a decent fight against most of the remaining ones, only dying against Dantomkia after a half-ton House Robot rolled over it and very much holding its own against X-Terminator before being let down by its team mate. Atomic I'll give you, but that's a flipper with much more power and to be honest much better driven than Bulldog Breed. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:34, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
    Perhaps I'm being a little overcritical of its reliability, but even then, it has other ways to lose easily I think. SMIDSY is a very easy shape to prop up against the arena wall, and was done so no less than four times by three opponents: Chaos 2 twice in the heat final (before and after the restart), Dantomkia in the Challenge Belt and Atomic in the Series 7 melee, none of which SMIDSY got back down from without some sort of outside intervention. Bulldog Breed is quite capable of delivering the same sort of attack, as it did the exact same against Lightning in the Tag Team Terror, and the Series 6 version is pretty much exactly the same as in Extreme 2. Raz3r(talk) 16:03, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
    S.M.I.D.S.Y., according to one of the team members, managed to free itself, albeit after 45 seconds, but when in the right position, I suppose I could see a scenario where it does manage to free itself. Adster1005 18:09, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  5. Yeah, I'm siding with Bulldog Breed here. Even though their OOTA record pales in comparison to Dantomkia, Chaos 2 or even Series 7 Atomic, it wasn't for lack of trying. S.M.I.D.S.Y. will likely see itself stranded for the KO or simply tossed around the arena until they lose the JD. For how aggressive S.M.I.D.S.Y. may be in retaliation, Bulldog Breed's flips will always look more visually impressive. SFCJack (talk) 11:55, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  6. Unfortunately, S.M.I.D.S.Y.'s history against flippers speaks for itself. By this Bulldog Breed is far closer to Atomic or Dantomkia level than St Agro or 8645T level, and S.M.I.D.S.Y. will struggle because of that. It also doesn't help that S.M.I.D.S.Y.'s scoop will be almost useless upside down. CrashBash (talk) 15:30, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  7. Yeah, I almost always back a competent flipper against S.M.I.D.S.Y., can't really argue against doing so this time. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:43, August 10, 2020 (UTC)
  8. I can only really see a sprinkling of Bulldog Breed flips, followed by S.M.I.D.S.Y. randomly breaking. NJGW (talk) 01:27, August 12, 2020 (UTC)
  9. S.M.I.D.S.Y. was not Tornado and wouldn't be able to deal with being flipped as well as the red box would. A good few flips from Bulldog Breed will knock S.M.I.D.S.Y. and it'll stop being as effective as the time continues on. I don't see a KO either way, but BB on the judges. Jimlaad43(talk) 07:42, August 12, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Bulldog Breed (9-3)

Heat Final

The Revolutionist vs Bulldog Breed

The Revolutionist Bulldog Breed
The Revolutionist US2
Bulldog breed-removebg
Votes for The Revolutionist
  1. So I decided to rewatch The Revolutionist being flipped by Rick, and I noted that in a one-on-one encounter that Rick could do just as much to The Revolutionist as Iron-Awe 2.1 did to Typhoon 2, which was exactly nothing. The only reason that Rick got underneath and overturned the full-body spinner was because the latter deflected off of Ming 3, which gave the flipper the chance it needed. With no third machine (except maybe the House Robots), is Bulldog Breed going to be able to achieve that flip of doom before The Revolutionist begins to pile on with the hits? Honestly, I am not sure. Depends on whether Bulldog Breed can achieve a clean flip like it did against Hypno-Disc, or not.. against Hypno-Disc. Benefit of the doubt goes to The Revolutionist, where some Typhoon 2 tactics should do the trick here. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:40, August 12, 2020 (UTC)
Votes for Bulldog Breed
Winner:
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