Votes for Series 10, Heat 2
- I must admit I am surprise to see no votes for Heat B yet. Heat H is great, but for me Heat B is infinitely better. Now,truth be told Heat B has two bad battles (Aftershock vs Carbide, Eruption vs Carbide) BUT it also has perhaps the best in the entire history of Robot Wars. As great as Heat H is, I will admit the first round battles are in my opinion...OK, not great, just OK with Wheely Big Cheese's first battle being the worst and Supernova vs Behemoth being the best of the lot, its only when Round 2 comes round the corner that things get truly exciting. Heat B on the other hand is fantastic from beginning till-eh...third place, therefore the more consistent. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:56, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
- This matchup has me quite concerned, because I honestly feel momentum is going to carry Series 5 Heat H through this round, when I do sincerely think Heat 2 of Series 10 is an episode that not only has to pass this stage of the competition, but it's one I'd send straight to the final two, against the Series 10 Grand Final. Granted, the bracket hasn't been drawn that way, so that won't be happening, but I do genuinely think this is the second-best episode of the whole show. Having such a star-studded episode within a series fielding only 30 competitors was the perfect move, as it stopped the series from stagnating by giving us a completely different array of Grand Finalists, and every returning all-star in this episode had a reason to face each other. Carbide vs Eruption was a title rematch. Aftershock had modified itself specifically to take down Carbide. The tense Series 9 affair between Aftershock and Eruption left the story unfinished when Aftershock broke down, and we still awaited a true conclusion to see which robot needed to win. And then you chuck in Big Nipper, the upset story of the whole heat which finally proved itself as the elite robot it was known to be on the live circuit, and Gabriel 2, who singlehandedly changes its worldwide opinion from "ineffective unfortunate Heat Finalist" to a household name, one of the most adored robots in the history of the show, and it's all thanks to that killer opening battle. Carbide vs Gabriel 2 vs Big Nipper just has a bit of everything, and it far exceeds the quality of everything in Heat H. It says a lot when Big Nipper's very early defeat doesn't even detriment the fight, rather it simply gives Gabriel a leg to stand on in the very close Judges' decision following what was otherwise a dramatic head-to-head with the reigning champion. It is a relief that we never saw these two robots fight again, as us having a complete mirror of the same battle might have taken away from the melee, but there's to this day still an argument to be made for a Gabriel 2 victory, though it certainly wasn't needed as Carbide did plenty enough to earn its most entertaining win. Eruption's melee victory gets a bit of flack for its "controversy" mid-fight, and I will admit that the rambling of Team Conker was a detriment to the fight, but one should not overlook the sheer quality of the fight itself. I may have mentioned this in a previous round, but I would urge people to give the full battle a rewatch with the sound off. Just ignore Alex Botwright saying stop stop stop stop, and then by looking at the action, you would honestly have no clue the whole thing was happening. Aftershock, Crackers, Smash and Eruption are all still moving at least somewhat, and I completely see Eruption's KO as fair - and also to be one of the greatest flips in Robot Wars! This is backed up by my experience at filming, where I did watch the fight without any commentary from Jonathan Pearce or Team Conker. All I could see was the robots fighting, and what I saw before me was a fight that instantly shot into my ten favourite fights of all time... until it was pushed back out again the following day, when Big Nipper vs Crackers 'n' Smash happened! This is easily the most pleasant surprise in the whole show. After Aftershock vs Gabriel 2 proves to still be an excellent fight in shark-infested waters, I was convinced this would be the fight to let us all down, and Big Nipper would walk to a quaint and uninteresting victory. How wrong I was. To this day, I still can't believe Big Nipper managed to throw Smash out of the arena at all, never mind blast it into the ceiling! The humour with Sir Killalot sitting on Crackers makes sure that this fight isn't just a fantastic KO, it's a fantastic battle all the way through. It's this fight in particular which helps to give Series 10 Heat 2 an edge over Series 5 Heat H. Wheely Big Cheese vs Axe-Awe is a phenomenal flip, but the Big Nipper vs Crackers 'n' Smash OotA is at the very least comparable (in my eyes Big Nipper's was even better), AND it had a fun fight leading up to the killer blow, making it a superior fight overall. Carbide vs Aftershock is a quietly good battle, with the undeniable disappointment of a Carbide win overshadowing just how close Aftershock actually came, a really good attempt was made! Eruption vs Big Nipper is one of the weakest fights of both episodes here, but hey, 10B has eight fights overall while 5H only has seven, we can let that one slide as it's still an additional not-awful fight. The one you do really have to criticise is Carbide vs Eruption, the truest of let-downs, although I will at least say in defence that while 10B had a disappointing Heat Final, the worst fight of 5H was also its Heat Final, where Crushtacean never really worked from the outset. Combining that, and the narrative boost offered to the Grand Final from this initial anticlimax, makes the blunder forgivable. And yet I didn't even get to talk about Big Nipper vs Aftershock, yet another legendary fight in this episode. Big Nipper's surprise run to the 10 Robot Rumble matches Crushtacean's unorthodox path to its final, and the early fall of Aftershock really set the tone for the series to come. Please don't get me wrong, I adore Heat H of Series 5, and I'd even suggest that I'd vote it through to the Top 4 of the tournament in some of the possible matchups it could've had, but absolutely nothing will stop me from voting for the irrepressibly amazing Heat 2 of Series 10, unless it is genuinely the Series 10 Grand Final itself. Which is, uh, looming... TOAST 10:00, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
- The only way I could find myself separating these episodes was to do a fight by fight analyse of the two, because, in all honesty, there are a LOT of similarities. More than you may think, looking back. Strong performance that involves a commanding OOTA? Eruption's first melee with Crackers 'n' Smash and Aftershock feels better than Wheely Big Cheese's first fight against Wolverine, if only in part because Eruption had the chance to knock out three robots that way. Absolutely ridiculous robot getting destroyed? As hilarious as Granny's Revenge going up in flames was, that was a formality, at least Gabriel stood something of a chance against Aftershock, if only a little. Fight that lasted to a judges decision? Robochicken vs Crushtacean could really have gone either way, there was no question Big Nipper wasn't going to beat Eruption. Favourite for the fight really having to work hard to get its win? No disrespect to Behemoth, but very little is ever going to top Gabriel's massive push against Carbide, especially since last we saw Carbide is was wrecking house - I suppose Carbide vs Aftershock also counts here, and even though it's the weakest of the three, it still has its place. Mega impressive OOTA? I can't call it. Both Wheely Big Cheese and Big Nipper managed something I doubt could ever be truly repeated in their own little way and I think they're both as impressive as each other...yes, whilst Wheely Big Cheese got the heavier robot out, Big Nipper used a spinner, not as well designed for OOTAs. Massive upset? I know Crushtacean's upset over Behemoth is a really good example as such, but I just feel Big Nipper's over Aftershock holds more weight - keep in mind we knew Behemoth had been starting to decline, whereas Aftershock was essentially the third best robot in the competition at that point. Anti-climactic heat final? Whilst I haven't gotten to Wheely Big Cheese vs Crushtacean yet (and, spoiler alert, it isn't very high at all), I think it's blatantly clear it outranks Carbide vs Eruption. With this in mind, I'm calling a very VERY narrow victory to 10B, although that's no disgrace at all to 5H. CrashBash (talk) 14:03, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
- Not as gruelling a match as 10GF V 4SF1 but a hell of a good one nonetheless. 5H is the best series 5 heat basically by having one quality so many heats in that series lacked; every bot here is one you want to see. You have the big stars who you can (usually) depend on to put up a good performance in WBC and Behemoth, you have those bots who never steal the show but are good to fill the ranks like Robochicken and Axe-Awe, you’ve got the upstarts in Supernova and Crushtacean (who has an all timer of a debut here), the “what-if?” flashes in the pan like Wolverine and the COMEDY ENTRY in Granny’s Revenge – easily the funniest example of such a bot, it’s fight with Axe-Awe here being such a surreal, weird bout. Pretty much every fight here is nothing if not decent. Particular highlights include Behemoth’s nervy encounter with Supernova which damages Behemoth in a way Hypno-Disc couldn’t back in Extreme, and of course THE BIG FLIP. 5H isn’t the S5 representative most expected to see here, but it is nevertheless a very solid episode. However, I can’t say it’s strong enough to have the better of 10B. 10B can more than match it for big moments – as a fight Carbide’s melee easily overshadows anything in 5H, the big impacts of Big Nipper V Crackers’n’Smash and Eruptions flip on Aftershock are at least equivalent to THE BIG FLIP. Of course it’s not just about those big moments – overall, 10B just hits a higher peak than 5H and sustains it for long enough that the tail-off at the end doesn’t really matter (it’s not as if 5H itself ends fantastically, anyhow, quite like this vote doesn’t end well by ending in brackets. Oh well.)GarrodGang (talk) 20:28, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
- Series 5, Heat H is a top-tier episode. It's made a great journey through to this stage, and deservedly so, but I share the concern of the above that 10B potentially losing this faceoff isn't quite right. The first thing I will point out for personal preference is the format. 5H has one vs. one first round fights, and that's immediately a hindrance to my own personal experience, because I much prefer melees. That doesn't mean I dislike 5H's fights in round 1, because they are good. But comparatively to the opening fights in 10B, can they truly hold a candle to them? 5H's first round fights are good, but I still think that their inferiority to the first round fights of 10B aren't being highlighted enough. Wheely Big Cheese vs. Wolverine is fine. It's a good OotA early on. Nothing exceptional, but good. Axe-Awe vs. Granny's Revenge? It's not a good fight but I accept that in Granny's Revenge's case that it's a very amusing moment. But even still: you wouldn't have this fight in anywhere near a "Best Fights" list from Series 5, let alone in comparison to other fights in the show's history. Therefore, it's another 6-7/10 for the humour. Robochicken-Evo vs. Crushtacean? A really close fight, not the most competent driving, but a couple of good attacks. Another 6-7/10 fight. And then Behemoth vs. Supernova is a good fight - probably an outright 7/10. Having 6-7/10-quality fights is good, but you don't need a fight to be bad for it to be outclassed, and in this case, multiple 6-7/10 fights against 8.5 upwards fights just isn't going to cut it. 5H's Round 2 fights are two of its notable moments. Wheely Big Cheese hurls Axe-Awe into space, and Crushtacean beats Behemoth in an upset. The former is one of the biggest moments in Robot Wars history, and the second is a good story. What I would say is that Big Nipper vs. Crackers 'n' Smash is here too. Big Nipper achieves a much, much higher height than Axe-Awe did (a flip that's true height is masked by the camera angle), and it's a fight where a spinner - and a rather unassuming spinner at - achieves an OotA of extreme proportions. Don't get me wrong: Wheely Big Cheese's moment is great. It's more iconic and full of nostalgia, but for the individual attack itself, Big Nipper's moment is at the very worst only slightly inferior. And being only slightly worse than one of the most notable moments in the show's entire run isn't a blotch comparative to the difference in the ceiling reached for the first round battles. Crushtacean vs. Behemoth is the other Round 2 fight. I'll be honest and say I've never truly understood the love in for this fight. Behemoth was in the transition period of its career. It wasn't proving itself as a top tier machine, but was trying to push itself that way too. It was mixed, and had just come under serious pressure from Supernova. A shock wasn't exactly off the cards, especially when the machine that was to suffer the shock was to be Behemoth - a machine which had managed to lost to Pitbull previously. Crushtacean's famous victory is a great moment for it, and involves some nice improvised driving. But where did that Crushtacean potential go in the Heat Final? Wheely Big Cheese completes a couple of good flips on it, but Crushtacean just winds down against a machine that it had genuine potential to do well against. Crushtacean beating Behemoth would've been great if it could've pushed on from there, but all it really did was deny us a battle between Behemoth vs. Wheely Big Cheese. Now, realistically, a standard Behemoth victory over Crushtacean wouldn't make the episode better as a package than what it was in reality, but Crushtacean's wasted potential in that Heat Final is just a really big blotch in itself. Carbide vs. Eruption is an awful fight too. It's worse than Wheely Big Cheese vs. Crushtacean. But at least that fight wasn't a closed-up-for-good job, because afterwards we saw Eruption achieving redemption in the end in the title fight itself. With Wheely Big Cheese vs. Crushtacean, there's no future story, no next chapter. It's just an immediately-opened-and-immediately-closed, poor, individual battle. 5H is a fantastic episode, but comparatively it just gets pushed away as a whole. NJGW (talk) 00:45, April 4, 2019 (UTC)
- It's strange how similar these episodes are. The heats of death of their respective series, a lot of fan favorites, some real upsets, an incredible OOTA, both of these episodes really have it all. But I think Series 10 does it all better. Let's start with the lineup, While Heat H has a lovely mix of mid-high to mid tier machines, Heat B goes all in, gives us the best of the best with some veterans people kind of like mixed in. But it's those veterans that end up stealing the show! Gabriel takes on Carbide in an incredible battle that many considering one of the best in the shows history, while Big Nipper gives us one of the best OOTAs in the sport and defeats Aftershock! While the rematches between Carbide and Eruption/Aftershock leave something to be desired, the rest of the episode makes up for it in spades. Next, the upsets. While Crushtacean defeating Behemoth was a large shock, Crushtacean was a complete newcomer, everyone knew what to expect. But when Gabriel goes toe to toe with Carbide, and almost defeats the champion in round 1, for people who just saw the TV show, this is the same robot that failed to defeat a barely working Pulsar! When Big Nipper fires one half of Crackers and Smash (which, speaking of the redemption rounds, are fairly fun one-sided affairs without wasting a spot on a robot that was never getting through anyway, jokebot or not), no one was expecting that from the robot that only beat King B Remix the year before! Lastly in this comparison, the OOTAs. While WBC flipping Axe-Awe out is a truly historic moment and it deserves to be remembered as fondly as it is... I would much rather watch Eruption throwing Aftershock out and Aftershock bouncing off the wall, or Big Nipper throwing Smash (I think it's Smash) so high into the air it destroys a light on the way down, a feat which no flipper has ever achived before or since at the time of writing. When you take away one of the most memorable flips of all Robot Wars from the OG series... I just don't think 5H has much less to fight with against 10 B. Sorry. You did your best ----
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Votes for Series 5, Heat H
- This will undoubtedly be close, but as I maintained before, I think Heat H of Series 5 is the greatest Heat in Robot Wars history, so sorry Heat 2. Amazingly, we have two of the highest OotA flips going against each other - with Big Nipper vs Smash and Wheely Big Cheese vs Axe-Awe. The two best robots make it to the heat final in both episodes, and we have shocks in both, but Heat H has the better shock. Aftershock going out sooner to Big Nipper is a surprise, as is Gabriel running Carbide close, but they are all outweighed by Crushtacean's incredible humiliation of Behemoth in Round 2. Narrative existed in Heat H with the Langport-off, the debut of Crushtacean's incredible weapons operating gloves and the cheese grater in the heat final. Both episodes have a limper heat final, but Heat H's is better - mainly because it wasn't a carbon copy of a much more important previous battle between the two. It's tough to lose such a great heat in 10H2, but it met the one heat that it can't hold a candle to. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:38, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
- I wholly agree with Jim's summation. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:42, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
- Tough, this (again). But just like in the vote above, I'm going against the Series 10 episode. It's another case of the Series 10 episode having a lot of niggles and its opponent being an episode where no single battle is all that bad in my mind. 10B has my favourite fight ever, and plenty more brilliant fights besides. Eruption's melee is certainly superior without sound, but that didn't stop it from actually happening. Both Redemption battles are very good fights indeed, but the second half sees 10B start to peter out. The outcome of Eruption vs Big Nipper was ridiculously spoilt by Jonathan Pearce in the build-up to Aftershock vs Carbide (I'm still staggered barely anyone else noticed this first time), rendering Eruption vs Big Nipper a very uninteresting fight for me. Carbide vs Aftershock itself started out pretty well, but I think it ended just too quickly to really get into it. I love Aftershock's next battle though; Big Nipper really shone in both of its victories, what with that monster hit on Smash and the hits it dealt out to Aftershock really giving it the break it needed, having done so well on the live circuit without truly impressing on the TV before. Sadly, Eruption vs Carbide is a terrible heat final, far worse than 5H's, which at least had a lot of big, visually appealing flips from Wheely Big Cheese. I can't say I'm a fan of Crushtacean, but there's no denying its victory over Behemoth was one of the biggest shocks of the classic series; it was a real eye-opener, and a statement that the big names really could be beaten by (at the time) relative unknowns. Wheely Big Cheese vs Axe-Awe is still one of Robot Wars' greatest flips and I'd say more than a match for Big Nipper's considering its time. All of the round 1 fights are enjoyable too, what with Wolverine showing early promise, Supernova scaring behemoth, Robochicken clashing with Crushtacean in a surprisingly engaging, tight fight, and the hilarity of watching Granny's Revenge going up in smoke against Axe-Awe. In the end, as jimlaad said, there are actually a few comparisons that can be made. Granny's Revenge going up in flames feels a lot funnier to me than Crackers sliding under Killalot, WBC's massive attack matches Big Nipper's, both have heat finals which feel weaker than most of the rest of the episode (yet 5H's is still clearly much stronger) and both have a big shock (Big Nipper vs Aftershock and Crushtacean vs Behemoth). Raz3r(talk) 11:48, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, two top episodes, but the two iconic moments of Heat H, Granny's Revenge going up in flames and Hweely Big Cheese's EPIC flip, tip the balance. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:30, April 2, 2019 (UTC)
- 10B was like a good safe movie sequel - you know all the players, you know how it's gonna end. Maybe you're on the edge of your seat for a little, but you never think it's straying far from the franchise formula. 5H on the other hand, gives you things you've never seen before, like a granny in a scooter on fire, and a young buck with a highly unusual design beating Behemoth, and I'll eat my shoe if anyone could've predicted that WBC had that kind of power. It's time to face the fact that the best episode should have something we've not seen before. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 01:02, April 5, 2019 (UTC)
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