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Round 1

Shapeshifter VS Storm 2

Shapeshifter	Storm 2
Votes Poor Shapeshifter. We're using the slower and weaker (?) Storm 2 here and even then Shapeshifter has no chance. I think. Storm 2, 95/5ThatRedOtter 20:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Storm 2 95-5. A bit of a disappointing fight, because while Series 8 Storm 2 was better, I would love to see the explosive Series 7 version against Shapeshifter here. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 20:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Storm 2 95-5. Yeah, not as big a massacre as S7 Storm 2 would be, but, yeah... Hogwild94 (talk) 21:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC) That box is going to shapeshift into a smaller box. 5-95. Jimlaad43 22:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC) 95/5 Storm 2. The slowest one-flip-and-done we've ever seen... --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 22:59, 24 May 2021 (UTC) 95-5 Storm2 - you, never know... Storm2 could burnt out like it did vs. Eruption... lol. NJGW (talk) 03:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Yeah. Storm 2 95/5 Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:08, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Forget about the Series 7 version of Storm 2, am I the only one who's disappointed about the fact this isn't the Dutch Series 1 version of Shapeshifter? Imagine what Storm 2 would do to that! Anyway, Storm 2 wins 95/5. CrashBash (talk) 14:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Storm2 experiments with its new spinner weapon for the first time and gets clogged up in Shapeshifter's possibly still wooden armour until Storm2 overheats and dies! Or it could just be Doot's very amusing glacial one-flip-and-done. 95/5 Storm2. TOAST 15:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC) 95/5 Storm2 - Shapeshifter gets very slowly toppled, Ed Hoppitt celebrates like he's won the entire series. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Shapeshifter score: 50	Storm 2 score: 950
Winner: Storm 2 (347)

Behemoth VS All Torque

Behemoth	All Torque
Votes I think this lasts a while, but Behemoth is gonna get a string of flips, even in preboot form, and gets All Torque out of the arena sooner rather than later. Behemoth, 90/1020:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Behemoth 85-15. Another shame, because I think Series 3 Behemoth would have made for a great fight. Alas, the high ground clearance of All Torque plus better Behemoth fundamentals should see the yellow and black machine dominate for the most part. Still, I do think All Torque isn't 95% screwed here, because it could always land a side-on attack that even Derek 2 achieved back in Series 6, not to mention Behemoth's unreliability and back luck back in this era. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 20:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Behemoth 90-10. Yeah, S3 Behemoth vs S3 All Torque would be a great fight, but the more advanced Behemoth won't have any problems at all here. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:16, 24 May 2021 (UTC) I mean, the chance of this Behemoth spontaneously imploding isn't 0, so All Torque has something to hope for. 80-20. Jimlaad43 22:22, 24 May 2021 (UTC) 90/10 Behemoth. I can't see how All Torque can hope to feasibly retaliate in any way. The only hope it has is to go for a side-on charge, but Behemoth will ironically overwhelm All Torque completely with its relentless attacks. Still, bad luck can really come into this, especially considering this is Behemoth we're talking about... --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 23:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC) 80-20 Behemoth - eh, yeah, sure. Even these more advanced versions of Behemoth lost to worse machines than All Torque. It's invertible, aggressive, capable of putting Behemoth in a weird position or doing something opportunistic. I won't completely rule it out either. NJGW (talk) 03:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC) For some reason Series 6/7 Behemoth was extremely unreliable and seemingly broke down or lost drive a lot of the time for minor or unknown reasons. That said, All Torque would need a big ramming attack and even then Behemoth will flip and control the match. Behemoth - 75/25 Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:17, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Behemoth pretty fortunate to be here, given that the reboot one was Ineligible and the classic one didn't take part in Ragnabot 3, but here it is anyway! I can respect the idea of giving All Torque a decent hope, but if the second ever version of Behemoth competed in the same tournament as this All Torque with much more success and only grew from there, I don't feel I have to be that kind. 90/10 Behemoth. TOAST 15:28, 25 May 2021 (UTC) 80/20 Behemoth - A Behemoth break-down can't be ruled out completely, and All Torque was reliable enough to take Razer to a judges' decision, but if Behemoth keeps going this should be comfortable for it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Behemoth wins 80/20. Given how it had serious reliability hiccups in this era, this seems fair. CrashBash (talk) 04:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Behemoth score: 840	All Torque score: 160
Winner: Behemoth (881)

Darke Destroyer VS Tut Tut

Darke Destroyer	Tut Tut
Votes Not the most well versed on Extreme Warriors robots, but Tut Tut is definitely better than Darke Destroyer. Tut Tut, 80/20ThatRedOtter 20:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Tut Tut 85-15. I will give The Darke Destroyer some points, for all its flaws, it did survive to two consecutive Judges' decisions, and probably would have done so against Gravedigger too. That said, Tut Tut is a far better pusher than T2, and that axe should win the damage points more often than not. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 20:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Tut Tut 85-15. Yeah, Darke Destroyer's blade will likely cause a half decent amount of superficial damage and it might also be quite hard to get an accurate axe blow on, but Tut Tut would still be easily the more dominant. Hogwild94 (talk) 21:17, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Tut Tut to pummel and push about the Chaser to score an easy win. 15-85. Jimlaad43 22:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC) 85/15 Tut Tut. Can't see Darke Destroyer doing much, but its slippery nature combined with its weapon can mean that it gives Tut Tut some trouble in a few matches. That being said, a slam into the wall by Tut Tut may one-flip-and-done the one-wheel-wonder or failing that, just pushing it around the place will suffice. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 23:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC) 85-15 Tut Tut - yeah, sure, I'll go with what's been said thus far. NJGW (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Darke Destroyer will survive most likely, but its blade will stop every time it hits Tut Tut. Tut Tut - 85/15 Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Enjoying the streak of 85/15 scores, but I think I'll go more towards a 90/10 Tut Tut. TOAST 15:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC) 90/10 Tut Tut - Given the weak weaponry and pretty large turning circle, I can't see Darke Destroyer being too much trouble to Tut Tut. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Tut Tut wins 95/5. Yeah, I'm going there. Tut Tut is the worst shape for Darke Destroyer to deal with. CrashBash (talk) 04:13, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Darke Destroyer score: 135	Tut Tut score: 865
Winner: Tut Tut (792)

Project One VS Topbot

Project One	Topbot
Votes I actually kinda like Topbot, and it got a very lucky draw here. Project One was not very good, lacking in armour, link placement, technical issues... this is somehow one of the simplest battles in these heats. Topbot, 95/5ThatRedOtter 20:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Topbot 95-5. Topbot has its flaws, but it certainly had some potential. Project One... didn't, and Topbot should be able to secure a knockout in one blow more often than not. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 20:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC) Topbot 90-10. Topbot seemed a half competent spinner, and it's against a robot with no armour, so... Hogwild94 (talk) 21:18, 24 May 2021 (UTC) It doesn't have no armour, it is armoured with air, which is effectively no armour so they're not fooling anyone. Topbot's disc could fall off again and I'd still give it 95 here. 5-95. Jimlaad43 22:28, 24 May 2021 (UTC) 95/5 Topbot. This'll be bloodbath central. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 23:06, 24 May 2021 (UTC) 90-10 Topbot - Topbot could've done alright in Series 7 against any non-spinner. This is one machine it can beat with ease too. NJGW (talk) 03:15, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Topbot was decent it was destructive and aggressive and what I loved about it was that Team Monad continued to improve each year, makes you wonder what they would have brought in after that. Topbot - 95/5 Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Two very fragile and uncertain bots, but Topbot has a lot more to offer. Topbot 90/10. TOAST 15:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC) 90/10 Topbot - Project One lost to Blue - which is actually not dissimilar to Topbot, if it was armoured in Tigger masks. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC) Topbot wins 90/10. To be blunt, I've never been a fan of "skeletal" robots. They just look like they're far too exposed and the risks heavily outweigh the rewards, as proven by Beast in Series 8. Never mind that Project One had a myriad of its own problems. CrashBash (talk) 04:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Project One score: 75	Topbot score: 925
Winner: Topbot (539)

Round 2

Storm 2 VS Behemoth

Storm 2	Behemoth
Votes Wow what a fight. Two hella respected robots that are in... lesser forms. I really want to give this to Behemoth, being my favourite robot and all, but I can't ignore the unreliability. Even with this Storm 2's lower power, it's still Storm 2 and Behemoth's gonna conk out a lot. Sorry Ant. Really hope the rest of you lot can prove me wrong. Storm 2, 90/10ThatRedOtter 09:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC) I think it's really unfair to call this Storm 2 lesser than the Series 7 one. It a more that it hadn't evolved as well as other robots, so was mid-rung rather than top tier. A big difference. Still, it has the March on this Behemoth version. 85-15. Jimlaad43 10:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Behemoth, has literally ONE chance to win this as it has no other way to win, and that's through pitting. Other than that the unreliable Behemoth is such an easy win for Storm 2 and I hope RNG chooses wisely. Storm 2 - 95/5 Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Honestly don't think the scores should be anywhere near this imbalanced. It's fine to back reboot Storm2 as your winner of course, but this is definitely a close one. Sure, the speedy Series 7 one should be able to walk this, but even still, Behemoth and Storm II fought on the live circuit plenty of times and sure, Storm had lower speeds and a smaller arena there, but Behemoth has come out on top in some of these occasions. I think that with its speed cut down significantly, Storm2 will genuinely struggle to earn meaningful points, even if it's largely in the lead. Behemoth only needs a couple of flips to earn more points, and I think it's a real possibility. Eruption was a little unfortunate that its late flips on Storm2 just happened to put it right-side up, Behemoth's low-pressure scoop would surely get it over and force Storm2 to start a run-up to self-right (it can't do so from a standstill). I have to give Storm2 the edge based on that handling of Eruption, but I'm not going too far in its favour. 60/40 Storm2. TOAST 13:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Storm 2 65-35. This is actually quite close. Obviousyly, S7 Storm 2 would walk this easily, but this powered down version not so easily, and Behemoth does have a half decent chance of getting the flip it needs to get the upper hand, but, more often than not, Storm 2 won't give it a chance. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC) 60/40 Storm2 - Yeah, this is close. Without the explosive nature of the Series 7 model, Storm2 will bully Behemoth into House Robots or hazards, but it's not delivering the eye-catching attacks that'd really put it ahead - and just a couple of flips from Behemoth would put it right back in contention. Storm2 to control enough of the fight to take it though - although had these two met in the reboot I think the edge swings Behemoth's way. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC) 75-25 Storm2 - Again, I'll reiterate, Series 8 Storm2 is still 18mph! That's faster than Cobra by nearly 6mph, but it feels much slower than that due to Series 7 Storm 2's own lightning speed. Reboot Storm2 is still a busy customer and will consistently bundle the boxy Behemoth over while Ant mistimes opportunistic attempts lifts. Behemoth has tools to be a worry, but not the execution to do enough. NJGW (talk) 23:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC) 75/25 Storm 2. Had this been Reboot Behemoth, I would've swung the pendulum in favour of it. As is, though, Storm 2 will slowly but surely push Behemoth around the arena and pull off some flips that keep Behemoth flipped over and struggling, but I can't shake the feeling that an errant flip could completely turn the tide in favour of Behemoth through constant controlling and even a pitting. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 09:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC) 55-45 Storm 2. Even if this were Series 7 Storm 2, I would still give Behemoth a good chance, considering it just needs one good lift to turn the tide of battle. Alas, Storm 2's ground clearance by Series 8 was so exceptional that I just cannot see Behemoth getting that killer lift for the most part. I still expect it to really challenge Storm 2 by delivering some key pushes though, so a close one nonetheless! SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 17:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Storm 2 score: 660	Behemoth score: 240
Winner: Storm 2 (813)

Tut Tut VS Topbot

Tut Tut	Topbot
Votes This stumped me far more than it had any right to. Then I remember how Tut Tut literally never died and despite Topbot's decent weapon, it never really got any good hits. Might have just fought good opponents, but Tut Tut is exactly that. Tut Tut, 85/15ThatRedOtter 09:43, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Tut Tut's aggressive ways and high wedges will do a good job of holding Topbot at bay until it can pummel the top and push the Irish bot around with ease. 90-10 Jimlaad43 10:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Tougher than it appears. Yeah, Tut Tut is fast and aggressive and maybe able to slam Topbot about BUT Topbot's very destructive and Tut Tut no only has exposed tires but also it's a stockbot with stockbot armour, meaning, if Topbot enters with the disc up, not only can it snip the tires on the side but also dent/tear the armour. That said Tut Tut will also try to prevent this by ramming and axing. 50/50Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Honestly? I'm going in Topbot's favour here. That is very much still loanerbot armour on Tut Tut, it's not durable. There seems to at least be a nice air gap between the armour and the internals, Topbot's low reach means a KO might be avoided, but barring the disc randomly falling off again, I think this is a classic case of Spinner vs Fodder Armour... just the spinner happens to be 0-2 and the Fodder Armour happens to be undefeated. Topbot 65-35. TOAST 13:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC) 60/40 Topbot. Echoing Toast's sentiments about Topbot being easily capable of slicing into Tut Tut's weak armour and even disabling one of the exposed wheels in the process, but saying that there's still a good chance Topbot will end up getting controlled by the loaner and even suffering having its disc flying off in a few situations. Ultimately, the more punishing weapon of Topbot will come out on top more often than not, but Tut Tut will put up a good fight regardless. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 16:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Topbot 70-30. Topbot's disc seems capable enough of causing sufficient damage to win this most times, and I'll give it the benefit of the doubt of avoiding the axe, which itself wasn't all that reliable. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC) 80/20 Tut Tut - Topbot's disc had decent weight and power, and I'd back it to do decent damage - if it had any teeth. Seriously, if the disc has teeth, they're miniscule, I haven't managed to find them in any picture of it. Maybe Topbot can do some modicum of damage by grinding away at Tut Tut's armour - even then, the wedges should deflect it relatively nicely - but Tut Tut should be able to outdo that by hammering away at the Swiss cheese armour, and forcing it into hazards with the wedges. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC) 65-35 Topbot - yeah, agreed with Toast. Topbot is fast, could prove troubling to hit, and its weapon will see little resistance from Tut Tut. NJGW (talk) 23:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC) 70-30 to Topbot, provided it enters the arena with the disc pointing upwards, which would at least be able to catch those wheels. Tut Tut is a tough and persistent machine so you never know. I find it hilarious that TPTB tried to make a fodder-bot and accidentally made a robot that could never be beaten. Like, how do you manage that? CrashBash (talk) 05:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC) Tut Tut 70-30. Agree with Combatwombat, plus I can see Tut Tut performing Terrorhurtz's esque shoves on Topbot that will compromise the spinner overtime. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 17:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Tut Tut score: 545	Topbot score: 355
Winner: Topbot (221)

Heat Final

Storm 2 VS Topbot

Storm 2	Topbot
Votes I think I can stop being mean to Storm 2 now. Either version would have this in the bag. Storm 2, 95/5ThatRedOtter 07:17, 30 May 2021 (UTC) Yeah easy win, Storm 2 to bulldoze and control Topbot. Storm 2 95/5 Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC) 20 seconds before Topbot is in the pit. 95-5. Jimlaad43 12:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC) 95/5 Storm 2. Not a lot to say, really. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 16:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC) 95-5 Storm 2. No discussion here. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC) StormNoSpace2 wins 95-5. This version of Storm 2 managed to tank PP3D with only a slight corner torn away. Topbot won't even tickle it. CrashBash (talk) 18:15, 30 May 2021 (UTC) Storm 2 95-5. Yeah, not much of a chance here for Topbot. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 17:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC) Ayyy, happy for Topbot pulling through on the RNG and getting the win I feel it deserves. I probably should've gone for a stronger Chimera2 victory ratio though. I'm not gonna totally 95-5 here, Topbot will go for the undercutter mode and might at least do some mild damage in the face of a very slow Storm2 that can only really press its face into the disc, but the durability should pull through in the end. Storm2 80-20. TOAST 19:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC) 90-10 Storm2 - never going to fully rule out a decent spinner doing enough for something notable to happen, but Storm2's persistency and solidity will be good for most encounters here. NJGW (talk) 03:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC) 95/5 Storm2 - Storm2 withstood one of the most powerful spinners of the reboot with only the partial loss of one side panel; the toothless wonder won't faze it at all. Combatwombat555 (talk) 10:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Storm 2 score:	Topbot score:
Winner: