Votes for Bugs
- Going for a ridiculous vote here and say that Bugs will use its far greater speed to simply get behind the walker and henceforth become the most aggressive overall. Bugs to win on a judges' decision. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 12:15, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- I know this is a long shot, but what can Scarab actually do here? It's barely functional to begin with, for one thing. Bugs may not have been the fastest, but it at least had decent mobility. CrashBash (talk) 13:16, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Also, sorry Toast, but I'm not changing my vote for Scarab just because you got upset. Sorry, but it was bad enough when certain other users did it before, and I'm always been criticized for "bashing" other peoples votes, so, yeah...this vote is staying. CrashBash (talk) 07:54, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
- Never seen the Dutch Wars (I know Toast sent me a link to watch and I really should when I have the time) so I'm taking that Scarab never really got going whereas Bugs can simply run circles around it.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 13:36, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- I suggest that if you know nothing about a robot, don't make assumptions, actually read its wiki article, watch its fights, or don't vote on the battle. ToastUltimatum 15:40, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- I see this being even more dull than M.R. Speed Squared vs Foxic. If it were based on the old format of style, control, damage and aggression I'd go for Scarab, but I think Bugs will be a bit more aggressive, despite its own lack of speed, while neither will cause anything more than puny damage. Imagine if Scarab vs RT81 happened here! We'd get another House Robot argument then I think.Raz3r(talk) 14:45, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- "Oh, ten seconds to go, come on, you can still make contact. Something. Anything. Two seconds. One second! YES! We have ONE NUDGE! Oh, phew, the judges will be analysing that single nudge very carefully methinks" - Jonathan Pearce CrashBash (talk) 15:20, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- What in the hell has happened in the world to see a bloody bug defeat a massive walker... --Demon Of Tomorrow 14:52, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but Scarab was pretty weak IIRC, it got through the first round because its opponent self-destructed. Bugs can at least move and try to fight in a Mighty Mouse esque way, which will give it a surprise victory. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:32, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
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Votes for Scarab (Dutch)
- Scarabs eat Bugs don't they? Jimlaad43(talk) 11:25, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Are we actually being serious here? I didn't put a serious reason down because it's just so obvious. Bugs will likely damage itself running into Scarab, who only need to move their weapon onto Bugs to destroy it. If Bugs wins, this'll be even worse than Raganabot 1 where S3 lost to Rammstein... Jimlaad43(talk) 22:10, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Well, technically, yes, because even with Bugs' not-great mobility, it could still move semi-fluently. Scarab, when it did move and wasn't having fits and bursts of movements (as stated by the wikia page itself), kept turning to the right, like, all the time. Also, can I please ask, how was Rammstein beating S3 last time so terrible? Rammstein is a rambot, which S3 is always going to have a problem with due to its awkward shape - a lot of the people who voted against Rammstein kept harping on the fact its batteries only lasted three minutes but considering we don't assume Evil Weevil's battery only lasts 40 seconds, that's kind of a contradiction. CrashBash (talk) 05:31, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
- But S3 isn't as much of a pushover as people were saying it is, and Rammstein would only get shredded in the battle. There is not chance of it getting S3 down the pit. Jimlaad43(talk) 06:52, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
- Nobody is saying S3 is a pushover, if anything, doesn't saying Rammstein would "only get shredded" count more as saying Rammstein is a pushover? It's certainly not as much of a pushover as people were saying it is. But, eh, what's done is done. CrashBash (talk) 07:09, September 21,
- Consider me very frustrated that an edit conflict wiped out my vote here, which I failed to realise. This is a shambles. May I be the first to point out that Scarab actually won a battle? Can I say that it moved perfectly well, with alright speed? Perhaps because it is not a walker, but a shufflebot? Notice that it took the eventual champion to stop it? You all have a false perception of Scarab which is MORE than capable of handling a punching bag featherweight, either by pushing it or full-on squashing it. And now it's too late for me to change your minds because you all believe that a featherweight WHICH MOVES AT FOUR MILES PER HOUR should beat a fully functional shufflebot on the basis of mobility. ToastUltimatum 15:40, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- OK, don't take this the wrong way, but I'm find it hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Scarab was barely mobile in either of its fights, only won its battle because its opponent was barely mobile either, and was merely a fodderbot for PulverizeR. In fact, watching the fights again, it's clear Scarab has drive problems on top of mobility problems, as it spends both battles pulling to the right, all the time. And all the while, Bugs clearly has the better mobility. And don't get me started on the fact it took the eventual champion to stop it - need I remind you, it took the eventual champion to stop Sweeney Todd, Medusa 2000, Widow's Revenge and U.R.O.. I'm pretty sure joke votes like these are frowned upon, and if this isn't a joke vote, then I'm afraid you're seriously misinformed. We know Scarab is a shufflebot, and it's the worst shufflebot to ever exist - it's not Drillzilla or Ansgar. There. I've reconsidered my vote. CrashBash (talk) 15:57, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- And I thought my pro-Team Death rant would be the only cause of an argument to break out. Well, I re-watched its two fights, and I am sticking with my result. For sure, you are correct that it won a battle, but in my opinion, it wasn't clean. I believe that the Vortex Inducer win is in the same category as the Hypno-Disc-Nasty Warrior battle in that the winner was victorious simply because they were lucky the other suddenly had a breakdown unrelated to the winner's attacks. As for Scarab's movement, I am pretty sure that only its turning circle was quick; getting pushed by the house robots in the Vortex Inducer battle does not in my belief, qualify as good movement. Even being a shufflebot does not automatically mean it will be the same speed as Drillzilla, for example. As for the eventual champions beating it, it took one blow and I am pretty sure that was not at full power, and besides, most spinners could probably take out Scarab in a few blows anyway. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:07, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Of course it's not a bloody joke vote, you're the one voting for a 7kg, weaponless, 18-year old, trudgingly slow GCSE project to beat a functional heavyweight robot. ToastUltimatum 16:17, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- No, I'm voting for it to beat a heavyweight robot. Not a functional heavyweight robot. Because Scarab is not functional. At all. Also that comment does nothing to counter any of the arguments myself or SpaceManiac made. CrashBash (talk) 16:20, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- I swear the Wiki has gone drunk or something Bugs had a terrible drive (not saying Scarabs is any good either) and poor control plus its a stupid amount lighter.--Botomatic1000 (talk) 16:01, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, it had a terrible drive in one round where the team made the mistake of attaching a broken caster. I don't think that should qualify. We don't count Evil Weevil's battery mishap, after all. CrashBash (talk) 16:47, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- I can see why people are backing Bugs, but having watched Bugs' Series 1 heat it was barely controlled itself, pin balling (very slowly) around in the Gauntlet and completing only 1 lap in the Trial when all others but Krayzee Tokyo managed at least 2. Scarab... Well, it's hardly fantastic, but it was mostly mobile, certainly mobile enough to be considered mobile under 2016 rules, and I think in a collision between the two it could reasonably easily knock Bugs over. Combatwombat555 (talk) 17:48, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Bugs came second last in Gauntlet, second last in Trial, lost its only battle, is made of wood and vacuum cleaner, is featherweight, and has very little offensive output. Of the many ways this battle could go, the only way Bugs can win this is via Scarab breaking down (which I always give benefit of the doubt in hypothetical battles) or by judges assuming Bugs rams Scarab non-stop. It would be a non-starter of a battle, but I see dozens of outcomes that end with Scarab winning. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 23:15, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- So, as I usually do, I was thinking about my votes on the fights today on my bus journey home, and of all of the fights I reviewed over again, I started to realise that I simplified this particular fight too much. Bugs being a featherweight doesn't mean it's fast or nimble enough to execute this type of gameplan, not to mention that Scarab turns quickly on the spot - something important that I overlooked earlier. My reflection and the reasoning of the other points on Scarab's side are enough to convince me. Nweston8 (talk) 23:55, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Such a close vote, I can't not weigh in. It would take very special circs for a featherweight to beat a heavyweight. Even Cunning Plan could only defeat a middleweight by suicide. I just don't buy into this situation where a featherweight wins by ramming. What if it gets beached underneath? GutripperSpeak 00:54, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
- I am very sorry if my original vote angered you, ToastUltimatum, but I made it simply because I was not impressed with Scarab’s stop-start mobility issues and the fact that the House Robots had to push it towards Vortex Inducer to get its first-round battle going. From my perspective, Bugs looked as if it had decent speed and more consistent mobility in the Gauntlet and Trial, even if its driving was poor and the robot was compromised by the broken castor it had when it fought in the arena. However, after mulling over my vote for some time, I have reconsidered my decision, because it has suddenly dawned on me that Bugs' speed controllers suffered from many overheating problems during Series 1, and that there is a decent chance that Bugs might cook itself while bumping and nudging Scarab. VulcansHowl (talk) 07:37, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
- Don't feel bullied into changing your vote. You are entitled to your opinion and shouldn't need to apologise for it. The winner of this battle isn't going to win the tournament or anything. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 12:37, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you, Toon Ganondorf, but I would like to let you know that I did not feel bullied into changing my vote at all. I understand ToastUltimatum's frustration at the prospect of a Series 1 featherweight possibly beating Scarab - I did not expect so many other users to vote for Bugs as well, to be honest. Personally, I should have taken Bugs' speed controller issues into account before deciding my original vote. VulcansHowl (talk) 12:51, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
- Eyeballing the two robots, I beleive Bugs has somehow managed to have a higher ground clearance than Skarab. If they had a proper wedge could see them maybe winning the judges over by being an offensive doorstop, but without a proper wedge, the big one can just push it and either squash it or topple it. Skarab is not a good robot by any means, but we're talking about a 100kg object colliding with a 7kg object that was designed from scrap, not some space age high-tensile plastic. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 03:19, September 22, 2016 (UTC)
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