Votes for Carbide
- Yes Eruption may have taken the Series 10 title, but 1 win out of 4 against the Series 9 champions doesn't make for good reading. A fully-functioning Carbide has Eruption covered easily, the Series 10 final was unfortunately just a blip on the record in terms of judging the two. A few minutes into the fight and Eruption will take one knock too many from the blade and conk out from the constant onslaught. Jimlaad43(talk) 11:02, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Unlucky for Eruption, they've drawn Carbide at the semi-final stage yet again, for another third place finish. While we all know Eruption is the second-best robot to ever compete on the show, it seems to be a consistent pattern that Eruption falls one step short of the final, just as Apollo consistently finishes fifth. Eruption is at least in a better spot than last time, as Eruption does have its famous victory over Carbide to its credit, but much as I adore that fight and regard it as one of the best battles in the show's history, we are forced to accept that Carbide wasn't running at 100% in that bout. Now, if Ragnabot 3 followed the rules of a conventional tournament (i.e. robots taking progressive damage over the course of a tournament), I would happily vote for Eruption. By this stage of a large tournament, Carbide would be limping, and we'd be more likely to see the Series 10 final than any of the other three bouts. I daresay that if this were one of my personal Ragnabot tournaments, I'd follow this logic and make Eruption the winner. However, the wiki Ragnabot 3 rules out lasting damage in the interest of fairness, so with Carbide on full form, I think we know what's coming. Eruption can only launch flips if Carbide's bar is slowed or stopped, and that won't be happening on a fresh Carbide. TOAST 12:16, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- The moment Magnetar lost to Carbide was the moment where Carbide won the tournament. I could try to give a vote to Eruption, but it has to play a 100% perfect game whereas Carbide only has to get one hit in to start messing Eruption up and dealing damage. If that hit gets landed and it will, then Eruption will start limping and will eventually die off after too many hits from Carbide's spinning bar. Shame that the last few fights are gonna be total curbstomps, though I think that's to be expected when the best of the best have fought each other... --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 14:28, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- I've been debating this in my head almost since the start of the tournament, and whether I go for Eruption because it won most recently, or whether I go for Carbide, as it won more times. I'm choosing Carbide, Eruption needs to play this perfectly here, and whilst that is possible, I think Carbide will eventually do enough damage to knock out Eruption. Adster1005 15:51, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Let's be honest, this is the real Ragnabot 3 title fight. Carbide ripped Rapid apart, whilst Eruption beat Rapid fairly comfortably in Audited Series 10. Even in the one fight out of the four Eruption did win, I'd argue it was still very, very close, and I would have struggled to pick who won the judges' decision in the moment without the foreshadowing, post-battle interviews and the fact we'd had a Carbide victory the previous series. Carbide can afford to make a mistake or two in this fight, as it did in their S9 title fight, whereas Eruption simply cannot. I do still think the lack of damage/fatigue over time due to the Ragnabot rules will also help Carbide out, and that at some point or another, Carbide will achieve the hit that will take out one side of Eruption's drive again. Raz3r(talk) 17:35, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- This really is the Razer-Tornado of the revival, isn't it? It's almost impossible to call any match between the two of them, as there are strong arguments to be made in either's favour, both involving an awful lot of assumptions. In the end, one thing sways it to Carbide for me: Carbide's two wins over Eruption were both knockouts, and very comfortable ones at that, while Eruption's win was a very very very narrow judges decision. I won't be using this logic for all fixtures involving robots that fought each other multiple times with different outcomes mind. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:34, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- If it happened just twice in 9 and Eruption won their only bout in Series 10, Id back Eruption. But the series 10 heat final happened and therefore I’m not convinced and never will be that the grand final wasn’t a fluke, or at least a less common occurrence. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 20:09, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- I think it’s terrific that Eruption won Series 10, but it was a win by the skin of their teeth, and I can’t forget that they lost to Carbide 3 times before. I simply don’t have confidence that their victory is so repeatable that they’re more likely than Carbide to win. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 22:48, February 4, 2020 (UTC)
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Votes for Eruption
- The Series 10 final cannot be discounted here. Yes, Eruption lost twice relatively easily in Series 9- but Series 10 Eruption had better armour designed specifically for facing Carbide. Yes, Eruption lost relatively quickly in the Series 10 heat final after taking that hit to the side, and I'm not denying that could very easily happen here- but Michale Oates did seem to learn from that, and we know that Eruption can weather the hits provided he keeps the heavily armoured front pointed at Carbide. Yes, Eruption needs to be driven pretty flawlessly to win this, but we've seen it happen, and I believe Eruption's capable of a repeat performance. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:06, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Look, lets be realistic here. Do we all remember Ragnabot 1? The final there was between Razer and Tornado, and the latter had its anti-Razer cage. If I recall, Razer won that vote quite comfortably, with votes to spare, because the general consensus was that as time went on, Razer had shown it was able to counter the weapon Tornado had specifically built to counter it - countering the counter. Surely, therefore, the same logic should apply to Eruption too. Eruption learnt from all of its losses to Carbide, including their Heat Final clash of Series 10, and then used that against Carbide in the single-best title fight ever. The fact is, Eruption learnt how to counter Carbide. And there's also the fact of course that if Carbide can't kill its opponent quickly it starts to get into all sorts of problems, which Eruption will capitalise on. TL:DR, if we accept that Razer would beat Tornado, ARC included, based on how its performance improved each time they thought, surely the same can be said for Eruption. CrashBash (talk) 14:42, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, but Chaos 2 vs Pussycat and Panic Attack vs Cassius take the crown. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:45, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Eh, Chaos 2 vs Pussycat was too much of a foregone conclusion and Panic Attack vs Cassius felt a little too short. CrashBash (talk) 15:58, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- lol I wouldn't have either of those two in my top five title fights! The standout best for me are Eruption vs Carbide and Tornado vs Razer, with personal favourites being Typhoon 2 vs Storm II and Panzer Mk4 vs Tricerabot. TOAST 16:19, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Funnily enough, my top four. CrashBash (talk) 16:26, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Pussycat vs Chaos 2 is definitely the best :P.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:30, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- I personally don't think either of the fights you've mentioned beat the Series 9 title fight, let alone the Series 10 one. I wouldn't even put Chaos 2 vs Pussycat in the Top 10 title fights if we included the foreign series, and Panic Attack vs Cassius would be exactly 10th. Raz3r(talk) 17:35, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Series 9 title fight over the Series 4 one? You high or something?! Ah Raz3R your strange and weird opinions will never stop being fascinatingly unusual. (P.S. I should point out I am in no ways being mean and am joking here, just in case you take it the wrong way ;) I mean LOOK who's saying it :P )Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 18:15, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- I mean, I'd put the Series 9 title fight at number 1. But I was in the audience for it so I am a tad biased :D Jimlaad43(talk) 19:45, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- I mean, I thought the Series 9 title fight was extremely satisfying, personally. It was just a pure destruction-fest, something you rarely see in a RW title fight. CrashBash (talk) 19:50, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- A lot gets made of Carbide not being at full fitness or being worn down as the competition progressed, but honestly, did its weapon have a stressful fight apart from the very first battle in the competition? The first fight against Nuts 2 also doesn't affect the fundamentals of the weapon for future fights either - it simply lost a chain. And really, Carbide just had multiple fights in a row where its weapon simply overpowered the opposition without resistance. Nevertheless, in the title fight itself, Michael Oates did learn. In previous fights against Carbide he was too eager to get in its face, to charge into it, or to get at its sides which opened up Eruption's own side panels. But here, Michael Oates just parked himself infront of Carbide for the first minute, and only slightly twitched left and right. Playing things so slowly and rigidly meant Carbide couldn't get as much engagement with its hits, but when it did get good engagement it would only hit Eruption's bulky front because Michael Oates wasn't opening up his sides to Carbide. He wasn't eager to get around the sides of Carbide. He simply played the stern, solid waiting game with his thick front end. Ultimately, I think Carbide being worn out going into the title fight gets given too much weight. And Michael Oates now knows the optimal way for his machine to attack Carbide isn't to charge into Carbide and put it on the backfoot like a Terrorhurtz is capable of. Eruption just isn't setup to counter Carbide that way, and he now knows that. But it is capable of countering Carbide in his own way, with the reinforced left side panel, with a less aggressive, patient approach, and by trusting his machine to withstand the hits with its front end without needing to attack straight away himself. Michael Oates to do it again. NJGW (talk) 16:43, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm all for an Eruption win here. Michael absolutely learned from his Series 9 title fight defeat to take the Series 10 crown, and we never would have known how the Carbide team would have responded for a theoretical Series 11 tie-breaker. However I'm inclined to believe Michael's strategy would work again here. I have no doubt in my mind that Carbide will get the damage in, but Eruption will be the more controlled and strategically driven bot throughout and take this on a JD again. SFCJack (talk) 16:52, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- This is the toughest fight here and probably the toughest battle in the arena forums history. I mean, this really can go either way with the winner basically winning the championship. Carbide has the powerful and deadly weaponry and has beaten Eruption 3/4 times with the 1 loss being very destructively close. Eruption is tactical as well but it's nagging ramming attacks and flips can disrupt the blade long enough for a judges decision. I think what Nick has pointed out has swayed me to this side. The side panels will be enforced and Eruption will play a waiting game and use its front more than anything to protect the vitals and then attack when necessary. There's also the fun little fact that IF we are to have some continuity then Carbide will be quite wear from previous fights like Magnetar and Big Nipper, so this fight could cause major problems. Something I noticed while looking back on Carbide is the fact that it seem the gremlins and reliability issues from Series 8 seemed to have come back ever so slightly in Series 10 with Series 9 being what I see as "perfect Carbide" The Series 10 model seemed to be hit and damaged more easily I noticed, now that could be because of competitors but seeing as these issues may have played a part to future fights I'd say something could happen here...maybe. Regardless, I feel Nick's comments above are really main jist of my final thoughts here.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 18:15, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- If the Series 10 final is anything to go by, I think Michael Oates will think twice about trying to rush this one through. NJGW makes a very valid point about Oates learning not to expose Eruption's sides and instead use its front end as a buffer against Carbide's bar. By being more calculating in the way he drove Eruption into the bar head-on, he not only ensured that the sides were unscathed, but also succeeded in wearing the spinner down until it was safe enough to land some excellent flips. The strengthened flipper and flat side plates used in the final will most likely be brought into action once more, which will add to Eruption's resilience despite it taking a lot of external damage. As far as Carbide is concerned, I watched this audience POV of its Heat 2 Group Battle again and couldn't help but notice that the death hum gradually sounded less high-pitched at full speed the more it hit Gabriel 2. That suggests to me that the bar spinner gradually lost RPMs throughout the three minutes, possibly suggesting that either the weapon motor was having issues that early on or Team Carbide were forced to conserve it for the full duration. Whatever the cause, that is not something that the defending champion will want to have while pounding away at Eruption’s bulkier and much more heavily-armoured front. The chances of the bar losing RPMs will only increase the longer Carbide keeps attacking, in turn sucking the venom out of the spinner and allowing Eruption more leeway to chuck it around without getting crippled. And that’s before we touch upon the side effects of weapon recoil, which as the duo’s Series 9 encounters prove could see some rather violent collisions putting more strain on Carbide’s weapon system. Carbide will not be KO’d, but as long as he remains patient and emulates his title-winning strategy, Oates should hang on long enough for Eruption to come out the more composed and controlling machine. VulcansHowl 20:17, February 3, 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm, you know what? I think NJGW and VulcansHowl might actually be onto something here. While I still suspect that Team Carbide would have learnt following Carbide's loss to Eruption, it should be noted how accurate Eruption was in utilising its front to deflect Carbide away. VulcansHowl's additional point about Carbide's bar losing power is also another factor for why I am switching sides. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:11, February 4, 2020 (UTC)
- Eruption to repeat the Series 10 Grand Final performance. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:22, February 4, 2020 (UTC)
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