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#Four really tough fights here. This is is difficult because it can realistically go either way, Cherub can get its forks in to disrupt Drillzilla and Drillzilla was slow at turning on some occasions but what really sways this for me is the shape of all things. Looking at Drillzilla's front seems to determine that it can "clasp" around Cherub and ram them around , but I also think if it gets behind Cherub where the wheels are more vulnerable then the ramming attacks will seem more aggressive and damaging. A close Judges Decision. [[User:Diotoir the son of nemesis|<font color="red">Diotoir</font><font color="black"> the</font><font color="red"> son</font><font color="black"> of</font><font color="red"> nemesis</font>]] ([[User talk:Diotoir the son of nemesis|talk]]) 09:06, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
#Four really tough fights here. This is is difficult because it can realistically go either way, Cherub can get its forks in to disrupt Drillzilla and Drillzilla was slow at turning on some occasions but what really sways this for me is the shape of all things. Looking at Drillzilla's front seems to determine that it can "clasp" around Cherub and ram them around , but I also think if it gets behind Cherub where the wheels are more vulnerable then the ramming attacks will seem more aggressive and damaging. A close Judges Decision. [[User:Diotoir the son of nemesis|<font color="red">Diotoir</font><font color="black"> the</font><font color="red"> son</font><font color="black"> of</font><font color="red"> nemesis</font>]] ([[User talk:Diotoir the son of nemesis|talk]]) 09:06, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
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#I'm not convinced by the argument regarding the forks. I'd like to look in greater detail at the Tornado vs Cherub fights that have been touted a lot. I've found three such fights online: two melees and a Head-to-Head fight. In one of their melees it was Turbulence who overturned tornado and later stranded it on the side wall, nothing that Cherub did caused tornado to lose. In the other melee, Tornado won the judges' decision. From my own observations, Cherub did indeed get a few good individual attacks, and ONCE (across three fights) came very close to overturning it once it shoved Tornado into the vertical wall. Yet it still wasn't able to, and I think Tornado still had a greater, or at least very similar, volume of successful attacks on Cherub than vice versa, even when they came together head-on, especially in their head-to-head clash. The walls are more sloped in the reboot arena, not to mention Drillzilla is lower, heavier and wider than Tornado, so I think an overturn is impossible on Drillzilla unless it gets fed to something like Matilda. Even firestorm 3 wasn't able to breach Drillzilla enough to get close to a flip from the front or the sides. Another thing to point out is that the driver of Cherub in those Tornado fights was not Toby, who is driving it in this case. Toby isn't a bad driver, but I think robots like Drillzilla and Tornado are far more likely to be able to outmanoeuvre him than if Mark were at the controls. Behemoth in its crusher form was able to shove Cherub around several times from the side, I just can't see Cherub not getting controlled by the heavier, better driven robot that is Drillzilla. Drillzilla was even able to get round the back of Firestorm 3 a couple of times in the Second World Championship when it was just the two of them left in the battle, so I'm sure it will be able to do the same to Cherub. Drillzilla to take the judges' decision on aggression and control. [[User:The R A Z 3R|<font color="black">'''R'''</font><font color="green">'''a'''<font color="black">'''z'''</font><font color="green">'''3'''</font></font><font color="black">'''r'''</font>]]([[User talk:The R A Z 3R|talk]]) 17:17, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
#I'm not convinced by the argument regarding the forks. I'd like to look in greater detail at the Tornado vs Cherub fights that have been touted a lot. I've found three such fights online: two melees and a Head-to-Head fight. In one of their melees it was Turbulence who overturned tornado and later stranded it on the side wall, nothing that Cherub did caused tornado to lose. In the other melee, Tornado won the judges' decision. From my own observations, Cherub did indeed get a few good individual attacks, and ONCE (across three fights) came very close to overturning it once it shoved Tornado into the vertical wall. Yet it still wasn't able to, and I think Tornado still had a greater, or at least very similar, volume of successful attacks on Cherub than vice versa, even when they came together head-on, especially in their head-to-head clash. The walls are more sloped in the reboot arena, not to mention Drillzilla is lower, heavier and wider than Tornado, so I think an overturn is impossible on Drillzilla unless it gets fed to something like Matilda. Even firestorm 3 wasn't able to breach Drillzilla enough to get close to a flip from the front or the sides. Another thing to point out is that the driver of Cherub in those Tornado fights was not Toby, who is driving it in this case. Toby isn't a bad driver, but I think robots like Drillzilla and Tornado are far more likely to be able to outmanoeuvre him than if Mark were at the controls. Behemoth in its crusher form was able to shove Cherub around several times from the side, I just can't see Cherub not getting controlled by the heavier, better driven robot that is Drillzilla. Drillzilla was even able to get round the back of Firestorm 3 a couple of times in the Second World Championship when it was just the two of them left in the battle, so I'm sure it will be able to do the same to Cherub. Drillzilla to take the judges' decision on aggression and control. [[User:The R A Z 3R|<font color="black">'''R'''</font><font color="green">'''a'''<font color="black">'''z'''</font><font color="green">'''3'''</font></font><font color="black">'''r'''</font>]]([[User talk:The R A Z 3R|talk]]) 17:17, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
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+ | #I might've given Cherub the edge on front ground clearance, but seeing how well zilla dealt with the far nippier Firestorm by charging it from behind, even when they were the only two still running, I'll give it to the yank. [[User:Datovidny|Datovidny]] ([[User talk:Datovidny|talk]]) 17:57, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
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#Now here is the thing: I think Tornado would edge out Drillzilla in a pushing battle. It seems to have the greater raw pace thanks to having wheels, while also containing a low ground clearance scoop that can wedge underneath its opponent. Why is this important? Because based on analysing a fight or two between Tornado and Cherub, it appears the latter had the measure of its foe, not only holding up the Series 6 champion, but also wedging underneath and controlling the red and black robot for a decent amount of time. Drillzilla's main weakness is its lack of wedge; Cherub should be more than capable of getting underneath and shoving its foe around. On another note, does anyone know how much weight Cherub's forks can actually lift? Even if they cannot lift the full 160kg, they should still do their bit in making Drillzilla somewhat unbalanced, making it easier for Cherub to push its opponent. Ultimately, no matter what some critics of Cherub claim, the white machine is no pushover, and I think it will prove it here, holding up and controlling the shufflebot for long periods of time, winning a Judges' decision on aggression and control. [[User:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#B7410E">SpaceManiac888</span>]] [[User Talk:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#228B22">(Talk)</span>]] 23:26, December 30, 2019 (UTC) |
#Now here is the thing: I think Tornado would edge out Drillzilla in a pushing battle. It seems to have the greater raw pace thanks to having wheels, while also containing a low ground clearance scoop that can wedge underneath its opponent. Why is this important? Because based on analysing a fight or two between Tornado and Cherub, it appears the latter had the measure of its foe, not only holding up the Series 6 champion, but also wedging underneath and controlling the red and black robot for a decent amount of time. Drillzilla's main weakness is its lack of wedge; Cherub should be more than capable of getting underneath and shoving its foe around. On another note, does anyone know how much weight Cherub's forks can actually lift? Even if they cannot lift the full 160kg, they should still do their bit in making Drillzilla somewhat unbalanced, making it easier for Cherub to push its opponent. Ultimately, no matter what some critics of Cherub claim, the white machine is no pushover, and I think it will prove it here, holding up and controlling the shufflebot for long periods of time, winning a Judges' decision on aggression and control. [[User:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#B7410E">SpaceManiac888</span>]] [[User Talk:SpaceManiac888|<span style="color:#228B22">(Talk)</span>]] 23:26, December 30, 2019 (UTC) |
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#Logically, Rapid should be able to do the same things to Sabretooth that Apollo did in its Series 10 Heat Semi-Final. That being said, it blew its chances to throw Aftershock or Carbide out of the arena despite coming very close to doing so and was utterly dominated by Magnetar in that one Group Battle. Can see Rapid trying to do an Apollo, but eventually coming a cropper by overflipping and breaking the flipper/bungee, or by sustaining terminal damage from Sabretooth’s drum. [[User:VulcansHowl|<font color="green">'''Vulcans'''</font>]][[User talk:VulcansHowl|<font color="#5d8aa8">'''Howl'''</font>]] 13:20, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
#Logically, Rapid should be able to do the same things to Sabretooth that Apollo did in its Series 10 Heat Semi-Final. That being said, it blew its chances to throw Aftershock or Carbide out of the arena despite coming very close to doing so and was utterly dominated by Magnetar in that one Group Battle. Can see Rapid trying to do an Apollo, but eventually coming a cropper by overflipping and breaking the flipper/bungee, or by sustaining terminal damage from Sabretooth’s drum. [[User:VulcansHowl|<font color="green">'''Vulcans'''</font>]][[User talk:VulcansHowl|<font color="#5d8aa8">'''Howl'''</font>]] 13:20, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
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#Sabretooth could easily be hurled OOTA if Gabe gets careless around the sides of the arena, but I can't see that happening. I have more reason to believe a mistimed RAPID attack will lead to Sabretooth rendering the flipper useless and getting vital hits on their vulnerable sides. [[User:SFCJack|SFCJack]] ([[User talk:SFCJack|talk]]) 17:48, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
#Sabretooth could easily be hurled OOTA if Gabe gets careless around the sides of the arena, but I can't see that happening. I have more reason to believe a mistimed RAPID attack will lead to Sabretooth rendering the flipper useless and getting vital hits on their vulnerable sides. [[User:SFCJack|SFCJack]] ([[User talk:SFCJack|talk]]) 17:48, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
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+ | #In the fights we saw, I just wasn't as convinced by Rapid's armour, not enough to stand off a robot capable of KO'ing Behemoth and Terrorhurtz. [[User:Datovidny|Datovidny]] ([[User talk:Datovidny|talk]]) 17:57, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
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#If we didn't see the actual battle between the two in Series 5, I'd go with Crushtacean very quickly, in a win that I would've thought similar to the Suicidal Tendencies battle. Indeed, Crushtacean was doing better than people let on during the Series 5 encounter, and we can also write off the possibility of Crushtacean losing via its aerial (just as we can for Texas Tornado?), so it could be primed for a win. I very nearly backed Space, but I'm cautious of the fact Crushtacean had a new driver in Series 9. We never got to see how effective Dominic Visser was behind the sticks, but Crushtacean is entirely dependent on good control, so it might struggle without Ian Visser's controls. I'm assuming Dominic must have been driving in the fight where I watched Crushtacean beat Kill-E-Crank-E live, which would suggest he's pretty good, but not quite enough for my confident vote. <span style="font-family:Pirulen; font-size:10pt">[[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font><font color="ff8c00">'''OAS'''</font>]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font>]]</span> 00:37, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
#If we didn't see the actual battle between the two in Series 5, I'd go with Crushtacean very quickly, in a win that I would've thought similar to the Suicidal Tendencies battle. Indeed, Crushtacean was doing better than people let on during the Series 5 encounter, and we can also write off the possibility of Crushtacean losing via its aerial (just as we can for Texas Tornado?), so it could be primed for a win. I very nearly backed Space, but I'm cautious of the fact Crushtacean had a new driver in Series 9. We never got to see how effective Dominic Visser was behind the sticks, but Crushtacean is entirely dependent on good control, so it might struggle without Ian Visser's controls. I'm assuming Dominic must have been driving in the fight where I watched Crushtacean beat Kill-E-Crank-E live, which would suggest he's pretty good, but not quite enough for my confident vote. <span style="font-family:Pirulen; font-size:10pt">[[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font><font color="ff8c00">'''OAS'''</font>]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="maroon">'''T'''</font>]]</span> 00:37, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
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#Rewatching the Series 5 Heat H final tells me one thing I needed to know about Crushtacean’s driving there: it was far from perfect. Spinning around, going into Dead Metal’s CPZ and catching an angle grinder twice don’t suggest the superior control and aggression that others claim, neither does the one time where it '''''drove directly up the front of Wheely Big Cheese''''' before being thrown over. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure that the aerial issues were resolved in later years, but even so I still can’t see Crushtacean being able to get a meaningful attack in here. Indeed, it still had a tendency to spin round uncontrollably in later series, which ironically sealed its fate against Ironside3 in Series 9! Would agree that the axle shafts are probably the best places for Crushtacean to grab Wheely Big Cheese, but even back in Series 5 Roger Plant was quick to get his machine moving away before the Vissers had a chance to take that opportunity. Can guarantee that both robots will survive to the Judges this time, but Wheely Big Cheese to emphatically win on aggression through its display of spectacular flips. [[User:VulcansHowl|<font color="green">'''Vulcans'''</font>]][[User talk:VulcansHowl|<font color="#5d8aa8">'''Howl'''</font>]] 13:20, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
#Rewatching the Series 5 Heat H final tells me one thing I needed to know about Crushtacean’s driving there: it was far from perfect. Spinning around, going into Dead Metal’s CPZ and catching an angle grinder twice don’t suggest the superior control and aggression that others claim, neither does the one time where it '''''drove directly up the front of Wheely Big Cheese''''' before being thrown over. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure that the aerial issues were resolved in later years, but even so I still can’t see Crushtacean being able to get a meaningful attack in here. Indeed, it still had a tendency to spin round uncontrollably in later series, which ironically sealed its fate against Ironside3 in Series 9! Would agree that the axle shafts are probably the best places for Crushtacean to grab Wheely Big Cheese, but even back in Series 5 Roger Plant was quick to get his machine moving away before the Vissers had a chance to take that opportunity. Can guarantee that both robots will survive to the Judges this time, but Wheely Big Cheese to emphatically win on aggression through its display of spectacular flips. [[User:VulcansHowl|<font color="green">'''Vulcans'''</font>]][[User talk:VulcansHowl|<font color="#5d8aa8">'''Howl'''</font>]] 13:20, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
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+ | #Of course I'd look to back my boy, but in fairness I will argue that Crushtacean didn't really evolve to the point where the tide of this battle would change. You can argue that the armour may be tougher or the aerial wouldn't come off this time, but it's not like in the Series 5 heat final that the newbie was winning before its issues, with the cheese being the ideal shape to slip under and chuck it around. [[User:Datovidny|Datovidny]] ([[User talk:Datovidny|talk]]) 17:57, December 31, 2019 (UTC) |
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Forums: Index > Ragnabot 3 > Ragnabot 3 Quarter-Final 1
Round of 64
Ironside3 vs Nuts 2
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Androne 4000 vs Magnetar
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Pinser vs Typhoon 2
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Reptirron the Second vs GBH 2
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Drillzilla vs Cherub
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Rapid vs Sabretooth (10)
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Spawn of Scutter vs Texas Tornado
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Crushtacean vs Wheely Big Cheese
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