Votes for Chaos 2
- 259 could certainly send Chaos 2 home in a bin bag, but George Francis is too good of a driver to allow this to happen and will just chuck 259 over within the first few seconds. Without a srimech and a weapon belt made of liquorice, a stranded 259 will be counted out. Jimlaad43(talk) 21:42, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- 259 gets flipped over and the impact of its disc hitting the floor tears it off its frame immediately. And also knocks out a few drive belts for some reason. Basically this is a fight it just can't win purely because of how big of a glass canon it is. Also, so I really need to remind you guys that Chaos 2 is substantially faster than 259? All this talk about holding back and trying to figure out a specific angle to hit, but rather than being hit, he'll just dodge away from 259 and keep playing the waiting game. I thought we were all well past the stage of glorifying 259.... CrashBash (talk) 21:49, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Honestly, unless a machine is very slow, then machines being certain speeds isn't a gamechanger as far as I'm concerned. The thing that mostly matters is manoeuvring tightly while in at close-quarters, and an overall top speed doesn't affect that - it's about how quickly a machine can twitch on the spot, and 259 twitches left and right sharply to not be in a disadvantageous position. Also, this isn't about glorifying 259. I would have 259 lose to a lot of machines. But it's just about me believing that Chaos 2 is not suitable for this particular matchup against this type of opponent. 259 battered Wild Thing, which only survived because it's built densely and like a brick, while Fluffy beat 259 because it had a similarly destructive weapon capable of countering 259. Those are its losses, and it doesn't suggest opponents can easily get in on 259 and hurl it over with no fuss. If 259 was easily chucked over by a flipper or two, or Chaos 2 consistently proved its mettle against spinners, I'd be inclined to back Chaos 2, but with what we have at hand, I believe Chaos 2 is in trouble within only a couple of hits, and that's why I'm voting against it. NJGW (talk) 23:19, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- OK, then allow me to make a quick counter. Judge Shred was able to get underneath 259's front and flick it upwards reasonably far, even after getting a part torn off. Considering the flipper is nowhere near as powerful as Chaos 2's or as structurally sound (I'd trust Chaos 2's flipper not to snap in half after one hit), then I feel confident that Chaos 2 could actually get the successful flip in. Also least we forget that 259 ended up breaking down during that fight anyway, which doesn't boost my confidence. CrashBash (talk) 23:32, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Yeag, George Francis will be far too controlled to let 259 deal damage to it. I sense a potential one flip and done, but it might not, but whatever happens, 259 is going over. Adster1005 21:50, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- As CrashBash (I think, but it could've been RA2) said many years ago of a hypothetical fight of 259 vs Tsunami: "One flip, and 259 would probably self destruct". Hogwild94 (talk) 21:57, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- I'm very much 50-50 on this one, and to be honest I'm probably going this way because Chaos 2 is behind at the moment more than anything else. Both machines could end this in a single attack, but my thinking is that it'll probably take more than one blow for 259 to kill Chaos 2 completely unless it hits a key spot, whereas Chaos 2 just needs to get underneath and it wins. I'm not convinced by 259's skirts- there still seems to be an exploitable ground clearance there- so Chaos 2 should be able to get the flip in from anywhere, and I think it can just about manage it before 259 ends it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:49, January 16, 2020 (UTC)
- Considering how close Judge Shred 2½ came to achieving a flip of doom on 259, I believe the more powerful Chaos 2 could do so. Reminds me of its win over Trident, where Chaos 2 could not get the flip done straight away, but did so through a barrage of flips at a crucial time. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 22:51, January 16, 2020 (UTC)
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Votes for 259
- George Francis is a good driver yes, but we never really saw him take on a proper spinner. The only examples we saw were Hypno-Disc (struggled to flip an immobile machine out of fear), and 13BLACK (lost). Next in line would be, like, Wild Thing or Stinger. I think George will panic and either overflip, lose his flipper in a bad collision, or lose part of his drive in a good hit from 259. TOAST 22:01, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Ive backed 259 to beat machines like Razer in the past, and it’s hard for me not to then say it’d beat Chaos 2. Chaos 2 isn’t a brick like Wild Thing, 259 will cut through and cause terminal damage before any recoil takes place on the weapon. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 22:06, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Chaos 2 is very poorly armoured, and for all of 259's faults, it was actually pretty well controlled alongside its destructive capabilities. Chaos 2 would be doomed in a head-on attack; 259 has enough reach to create a crevasse in Chaos 2's flipper, so Chaos 2 would have to try and get round the sides instead. That may well expose its own sides to the vertical spinner if timed wrong, and I think a couple of 259 hits could damage Chaos 2's side severely, killing it quickly. Raz3r(talk) 22:30, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- George Francis has made it evident at times when he's scared of a weapon. And this will certainly be one. He'll hold back, try to find a specific angle to drive, but then be hit. The thing is, Chaos 2 is vulnerable all over. If 259 hits it at the front, the flipper panel is being split considering S.M.I.D.S.Y.'s spinner did similar. If it gets hit next to the flipper panel, then it's in and around the wheel area, and Chaos 2's tyres are so close to its own armour that a hit will likely jam them up and help Chaos 2 drop a drive chain. Then if 259 randomly hits around the back... yeah. Just cannot see Chaos 2 having an opportunity here. NJGW (talk) 22:42, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Chaos 2 to be torn apart. Sam (BAZINGA) 22:51, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- In previous encounters with decent vertical weapons, Chaos 2 was damaged by Pussycat's blade (though Pussycat's ground clearance favoured Chaos 2 immensely), was immobilised by Matilda's flywheel hit in the Flipper Frenzy and was exposed both times against Tornado's drum. I feel 259's larger and more ferocious weapon would account for Adam Clark's inferior driving here and we'd see Chaos 2 in a sorry state by the end of the fight. SFCJack (talk) 23:58, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- It's interesting to see so much support for Chaos 2 as I thought this would be easy for 259. 259 has skirts around the sides and back meaning Chaos 2 will struggle to get a flip in, as such the only area to flip is the front...Chaos 2 has also demonstrated in the past that spinners are capable of tearing it apart with only Series 3 Hypno-Disc being the one exception (Pussycat caused heavy damage to the back and front when it was spinning) and the BFW of 259 should then be capable of tearing apart Chaos 2 easily, the flipper will be torn, the back panel gone and mobility all but snuffed out.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 07:10, January 16, 2020 (UTC)
- 259 is a total glass cannon and is very prone to being one-flip-and-done'd, but I don't think Chaos 2 can manage the task of throwing 259 over. The skirts are low enough to prevent Chaos 2 from getting under, so its only hope is going head on... and that means going head on with 259's flywheel. If 259's weapon catches Chaos 2, there's a very good chance that Chaos 2 will break down from the sheer impact alone seeing as its weakness to spinners is a massive deal, no matter how unreliable. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 12:25, January 16, 2020 (UTC)
- Say all you want about 259's speed and durability, but at least it almost always kept the disc pointing towards other competitors. Chaos 2's slower turning and tendency to overcorrect itself at full power will nullify the speed advantages it has in a straight line, and might end up working against it if these allow Adam Clark to get a few heavy blows in. A one-flip KO is possible - the hinged skirts still leave a reasonable clearance between 259 and the floor judging by battle shots - but will George Francis be able to do it? Given how much Chaos 2 suffered for not finishing 13 Black off when it had the right weapon to do so, I'm not convinced. VulcansHowl 20:01, January 16, 2020 (UTC)
- I do not think the 13 Black comparison is entirely fair. I feel that Chaos 2 tackled Razer first because the crusher had previously beaten the double champion, and would probably do so again. Plus, with 13 Black breaking the wings, this was probably Chaos 2's only chance at beating Razer. By contrast, I feel Chaos 2 would easily flip 13 Black over. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 22:51, January 16, 2020 (UTC)
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