Forum:Random Format Series 4 - Heat the Eighth

Forums: Index > Random Format Series 4 > Random Format Series 4 - Heat the Eighth

Heat the Eighth sees us cross the North Sea to The Netherlands, where we will be borrowing their losers melee format. This allows a lucky loser to progress from the first round and have another attempt at getting through the heat. The melee loser can still qualify for the final, thus definitely not appearing on Space's list, so we'll just have to see if that eventuality happens.

Round 1

Velocirippa vs Overkill GTI

Velocirippa	Overkill GTI
Votes for Velocirippa	Votes for Overkill GTI On the face of it, both of these robots are very similar. Both wedges with a bit of speed behind them. However, Overkill has flippers, which within the 5 minutes should find a gap under Velocirippa to overturn it. Without the rollover bars, the robot which always seems to lose is destined for another. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:48, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Considering how outclassed it was, and considering it had a flat tyre, Overkill put up quite a decent fight. It should be able to lift Velocirippa around once they make contact. CrashBash (talk) 18:54, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Overkill GTI was a good robot in a bad draw, Velocirippa was Velocirippa. TOAST 19:10, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Overkill is a robot I've given grief to in the past I really want to change that, especially as it was speedy and low to the ground (well at the front) and should dispatch Velocirippa easily.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:12, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Overkill to lift and overturn Velocirippa at some point within the five minutes, and potentially side strand it. Adster1005 19:33, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Overkill should be able to sort of lift Velocirippa a bit, and that should somehow count more than any aggression Velocirippa's slamming could do. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:25, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Overkill should manage to get the flip in at some point. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:34, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Gosh, I rate Overkill GTI. Extremely quick, a low ground clearance flipper (spoiled a bit by the very high ground clearance sides...) and one that endured ruthless aggression from its opponents. Velocirippa is plenty quick, but ultimately suffers in terms of reliability and lack of real aggression. Overkill GTI to take advantage, securing a knockout. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:42, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Expecting Velocirippa to lose is like expecting to be surprised that water is wet. Overkill GTI will get a one-flip-and-done sooner or later. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 11:25, May 12, 2020 (UTC) A little flick from Overkill should do the job. NJGW (talk) 18:34, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Overkill GTI (0-10)

Small Torque vs Aggrobot 2

Small Torque	Aggrobot 2
Votes for Small Torque For me we didn't really see enough to confidently say Aggrobot 2 could win a head-to-head. It had opportunities against SMIDSY that it didn't seize, and even Saw Point had the measure of it. I don't think Small Torque was too bad, I'll forgive the overheating for Round 1 and say that the lil disc can churn up a bit of Aggrobot, and the general boxy nature will push through like previous All Torque machines. TOAST 20:56, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Small Torque is super underrated in my opinion. When it worked, it could bounce opponents like Splinter as if it were an early Barber-Ous, and was ultimately very aggressive and agile. Plus, even if Small Torque is unreliable, so too is Aggrobot 2 as proven against S.M.I.D.S.Y.. For me, I think the initial aggression from Small Torque should be enough to really control this one, bouncing it around and ultimately securing a knockout. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:42, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Aggrobot 2 would need to do something special to win this fight. With how easily Small Torque penetrated Splinter's armour , the damage is easily going to be high, and in Small Torque's favour. Aggrobot 2 showed little capability in its two fights, and probably was even KO'd in the corner by Sawpoint in Round 1. Really think Small Torque can dominate this fight. NJGW (talk) 18:40, May 12, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Aggrobot 2 Aggrobot is fast, aggressive and well designed for this fight. It can get its nose low, scoop under Small Torque and keep it pushed away and at bay. Small Torque won't get any damage in and should be dumped in the pit whenever the producers decide to open it. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:48, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Aggrobot 2 feels like a natural progression for the original Aggrobot, but Small Torque feels like a massive step back from All Torque. I think All Torque would have taken this, but sacrificing its major strength (literally) for a tiny little disc won't help Small Torque here. CrashBash (talk) 18:56, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Small Torque could have been the best of the Torque series but it was so damn unreliable that I really can't see it surviving the full match against the ramming power of Aggrobot.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:15, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Aggrobot II will push Small Torque around the arena, before putting it in the pit. Adster1005 19:35, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Probably the best Aggrobot vs the weakest Torque robot built as a serious entrant rather than as a child pleasing entrant, pretty comfortable victory for the Leach bros, maybe even a side stranding. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:27, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Completely disagree, Small Torque had super potential whereas Series 7 Aggrobot was superior to Aggrobot 2 in almost every way. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:42, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Small Torque's disc could have been reasonable, but the teeth on it are so small that it's never going to get a decent bite, especially not at 4000rpm. The odd scuff from the disc won't outweigh Aggrobot 2 ramming and shoving Small Torque all around the arena. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:40, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Small Torque was just a full-on downgrade from the beast that All Torque was. Aggrobot 2 is more than nimble enough to ram Small Torque around the place and force a breakdown to happen. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 11:27, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Aggrobot 2 (3-7)

Steg 2 vs The Predator

Steg 2	The Predator
Votes for Steg 2 I think The Predator Pre-Dates designs to protecc against big-ass flippers. Jimlaad43(talk) 18:48, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Anyone who votes for The Predator is just deliberately trying to rig Space's Clean Sweep blog. OFKO. CrashBash (talk) 18:57, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Flashbacks to Heat A, as the only real-life heat winner is again the stand-out best in attendance. Steg 2 to take it, I would guess. TOAST 19:12, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Insert Space comment about Steg 2 losing this fight...and the next... and the next. But yeah, once under Predator's going over.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:14, May 11, 2020 (UTC) It's the usual OFAD. Adster1005 19:36, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Yeah, I needn't talk at length here. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:28, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Flip. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:41, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Unpopular opinion. I see Steg 2 losing to three robots here. Yes, you read that right... three. Based on Toast's comments, my opinion is most certainly unpopular, but as we proved back in Audited Series 2 Heat K, claiming a robot (Cassius in this case) will inevitably win the heat leads to arrogance that can lead to upsets (gosh I miss Oblivion's amazing run). The Predator to be ordered by Chris Hansen to take a CPZ over there, eventually leading to the police force hired by Dateline Wikia (Steg 2 and the House Robots) to take the suspect to the ground (or in the case of Steg 2 and Sir Killalot, OFF the ground). SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 21:42, May 11, 2020 (UTC) Steg 2 starts off its campaign with a fast one-flip-and-done to take down The Predator. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 12:13, May 12, 2020 (UTC) My poor boy The Predator gets turned over swiftly. NJGW (talk) 18:41, May 12, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for The Predator
Winner: Steg 2 (10-0)

Losers Melee

Velocirippa vs Small Torque vs The Predator

Velocirippa	Small Torque	The Predator
Votes for Velocirippa I honestly think Velocirippa's being hard done by here. Yes, it died after one attack - after Razer went right through the steering servo, which is an attack that nothing here can repeat. Small Torque's got the best weapon in the battle and should tear up The Predator's sides nicely, but in a fight that's likely to go the distance I can't see it surviving to the end with its overheating problems. Velocirippa and The Predator last to the judges' decision, but Velocirippa goes through on the basis of being more aggressive (Velocirippa was getting stuck in well before it lost steering, and even afterwards to be honest- as well as it could, anyway) and The Predator suffering damage. Combatwombat555 (talk) 16:59, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Small Torque to cause damage and immobilise Predator, before its cooling system fails causing it to overheat and die. Velocirippa does a Luigi wins by doing absolutely nothing. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:33, May 13, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Small Torque #Small Torque can try to bite away at the side of Velocirippa with the disc, scoring points and avoiding being pushed about. The Predator isn't even worth considering, except for damage points maybe. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:32, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Small Torque to keep nicking the side of Velocirippa and The Predator to take a Judges Decision, and whilst Velocirippa might be aggressive, I think Small Torque will still take it. Adster1005 13:38, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Small Torque highly unfortunate to be here in the first place. I don't imagine it will beat Overkill GTI or Steg-2, but if it does come up against Aggrobot 2 again, expect a longer vote this time. TOAST 13:43, May 13, 2020 (UTC) I do love The Predator, but to me this is a comfortable Small Torque victory. Velocirippa and Small Torque did indeed get KO'd from one attack each, but those were still attacks that caused some form of internal shake/damage. The Predator will struggle to replicate those type of things. Small Torque to consistently cut into The Predator, while Velocirippa lowkey causes problems for both by being aggressive. However, it breaks down as the fight progresses, leaving Small Torque's spread-out damage to seal the deal on a judges' decision. NJGW (talk) 16:31, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Its hard not to think that Small Torque was robbed last round and it’s damage output diminished because people think its not as good as All Torque. How anyone could call Small Torque anything but the second best Team Torque machine is beyond me. Anyway, while the Predator votes are compelling, we just didn’t see enough of how well The Predator drives to give me comfort that it can do what people think. Alex McBride and Martyn Sloss arent Kim Davies or Graham Bone, but they did have a heat final and a toe to toe with Nick Adams in their resume. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 03:46, May 14, 2020 (UTC) That doesn't really mean anything, though. I mean, it's clear Piece de Resistance is Team Death's worst machine, so it's obvious that the other three are their best, second best and third best robot...but that doesn't automatically make their best robot, whichever you argue it is out of Immortalis and Metalis, amazing. Small Torque is only Team Torque's second best robot because it has Fighting Torque and Hippobotomus following on from it. CrashBash (talk) 05:30, May 14, 2020 (UTC) The only reason I mention it is because I've seen like 3 people call Small Torque their worst machine, which baffles me. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 12:19, May 14, 2020 (UTC) Umm, no one actually said that. Doot and I both said that Small Torque is a downgrade from All Torque, not that it was their worst machine. Hogwild did call Small Torque "the weakest Torque robot", but that's not the full sentence - he also said "built as a serious entrant rather than as a child pleasing entrant", so obviously he wasn't counting Hippobotomus and I doubt he was counting the original Fighting Torque either. CrashBash (talk) 12:34, May 14, 2020 (UTC) In retrospect, I don't actually think I was right there; Small Torque was probably better than S2 All Torque, but not the S3 incarnation. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:32, May 14, 2020 (UTC) The real question is who is better of these two: Fighting Torque or Fighting Torque: Hippobotomus Edition. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 12:41, May 14, 2020 (UTC) I think people are forgetting how slow and poorly controlled The Predator was. Rewatching its fight, and it hardly ever faced its opponents the right way. The Predator is so large, and the weapon so small, that robots with decent pace on them can easily avoid its weapon. Velocirippa and Small Torque are mobile enough to avoid the front weapon and target the massive sides or rear of The Predator, and I also think Small Torque’s weapon is powerful enough to just about tip Velocirippa over, since it was able to lift and tip Splinter up slightly. The Predator has nothing to pressure Small Torque or Velociripp into an immobilisation with: it has no pushing power, no pace, and an easily avoidable weapon which we didn’t once see in action, and I suspect was a terrible weapon nonetheless. Raz3r(talk) 07:30, May 15, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for The Predator As much as I want Small Torque to win here, let's not underrate The Predator here. In terms of durability, it wins by miles, considering it survived multiple Hypno-Disc blows whereas Velocirippa could not survive one Razer crush while Small Torque died against Eric. Secondly, The Predator's lifter is very useful here. It is perfect for catching and toppling the small, srimechless Velocirippa, while its range enables it to outpush Small Torque into potential harm. Ultimately, I feel that if Hypno-Disc took multiple hits to take out The Predator, Small Torque never will, and as this battle drags on, The Predator should secure the knockout victory by pushing a vulnerable Small Torque into the CPZ, where the House Robots should inflict critical damage. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:46, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Was gonna vote Small Torque but Space's vote here has managed to swing this for me. If Predator keeps its front against Small Torque, Small Torque will only grind and won't have any real way to fight back, plus if you throw a running away but occasionally attacking Velocirippa into the mix, then Small Torque really won't be lasting the full bout. Of course, Velocirippa will be avoiding the fight for pretty much 80% of the time so it won't win. Leaving Predator who can out last the others and try to be controlled, damaging and aggressive.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:03, May 13, 2020 (UTC) The truth of the matter is, I just don't trust Small Torque in the long run. Yes, it'll outlast Velocirippa. Yes, it should be the most effective of these three. But we all saw how easy it was to burn out when it didn't have the cooling system...and frankly, we have no reason to believe that it even has the cooling system for this fight, or even if it would have worked at all. Therefore, ultimately The Predator wins largely by outlasting the other two. Also, on a separate note, I'm legit surprised that the Robot Wars Magazine never thought to have a Fantasy Fight between Predator, Arnold A and X-Terminator, as they literally called out the "Arnie" connection in one of the magazines. CrashBash (talk) 16:40, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Guess I wasn't the only one intending to vote for the outlandish option, huh? Anyways, Small Torque looks like it should win this, and can win this. The problem is that Small Torque is pretty unreliable and was prone to burning out and dying for whatever reason. Meanwhile, Velocirippa... is Velocirippa, so that's a moot point. The Predator will somehow manage to win through outlasting both machines, though not doing too much of its own thing to stand out. Least its a free heat final place, though. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 18:27, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Not if Space (and even I if a certain matchup occours) have any thing to say abut it :P Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 18:35, May 13, 2020 (UTC) You've convinced me boiz. I was never really convinced by Small Torque in any way, but at least The Predator has something that might be able to respond to Small Torque's weapon. Jimlaad43(talk) 23:33, May 14, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Small Torque (2-5-5) 0-2-1 Judges' Decision

Challenge Belt

Pitbull will try to keep the belt in this, the first of two Challenge Belt matches this heat.

Pitbull vs Scutter's Revenge

Pitbull	Scutter's Revenge
Votes for Pitbull It's good that Pitbull has been given a bigger challenge here, but at the end of the day it's a lot quicker with a more useful weapon. Scutter's Revenge is very grabbable and also vulnerable to the odd breakdown or two. Pitbull takes this for me. TOAST 13:43, May 13, 2020 (UTC) I love Scutter's Revenge, but it was a ticking timebomb to say the least. Both are probably as good as each other in terms of pushing, but Pitbull's ability to grab the sides should give it the edge. As this battle drags on, Pitbull is going to gain the upper hand, eventually meaning a few more slams should grind Scutter's Revenge to a halt. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:48, May 13, 2020 (UTC) As cool as SR was it didn't have great reliability, it's matches in Series 3 were relatively easy and we saw once it faced real competition that it was easily outclassed. Pitbull to win by out lasting it and having the jaws to score some points.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:57, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Having thought about this a bit, Pitbull to take it for me. SR's reliability wasn't the best and Pitbull to push around SR to take a Judges' Decision victory. Adster1005 16:25, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Scutter's Revenge is as good as match as anybody around for era for a pure tug of war, but involve swift turning, aggressive, meaningful slams and durability, and it likely falls short in this type of matchup. NJGW (talk) 16:33, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Y'know, the more I think about it, the more I think the reason Scutter's Revenge really stood out was because it fought in an arena with a pit that was immediately open. Note how quick it was to get both Zeus and Thermador down the pit? Also notice that the moment the pit got covered up, it ran into issues? If we're using the Series 4 arena (are we?), then ultimately Scutter runs a far greater risk of burning itself out, thus giving Pitbull the win...and I subsequently believe the belt gets its first official winner. CrashBash (talk) 17:08, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Scutter's Revenge fought in four battles. Two of them were over via the pit in a matter of seconds, the other two, where it couldn't do that, saw it burn out of its own accord. I suspect that, like Spawn Again, it needed a quick win or it'd burn out. And Pitbull is too strong to be simply bulldozed into the pit quickly enough, so Scutter's Revenge to burn out after Pitbull resists it too long, and then goes for the pit itself. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:36, May 13, 2020 (UTC) Ultimately, reliability is the big thing that kills Scutter's Revenge in the long run. Both 'bots are great at pushing so it'll come down to endurance, where Scutter will fall short and burn to death while Pitbull continues to bite away and control the battle. --TheyCallMeDoot (*doot doot*) 18:29, May 13, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Scutter's Revenge To me, Scutter's Revenge is the better pusher with the lower wedge at the front, able to slide under Pitbull and push it around to take control. Pitbull might grab the side of Scutter a couple of times, but I can see Scutter being more likely to get the deadly, or at least meaningful, pushes. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:32, May 13, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Pitbull (8-1)

Pitbull finally becomes the first robot to claim a Challenge Belt! A second belt will be awarded to Pitbull for anyone else to challenge them.

Round 2

Overkill GTI vs Small Torque

Overkill GTI	Small Torque
Votes for Overkill GTI Overkill just needs one flip really, and Small Torque will be stuck upside-down trying to move and control itself with just the spinner - which is like the least useful movement propulsion method since Mammoth. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:30, May 15, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Small Torque
Winner:

Aggrobot 2 vs Steg 2

Aggrobot 2	Steg 2
Votes for Aggrobot 2 I can't see Steg winning this. Aggrobot will run rings around Steg 2 and should avoid the flipper quite easily. Aggrobot can push Steg around, or try to reverse in with the spike (to no avail BTW, but it still looks good). Aggrobot is invertible, meaning if Steg does get a flip, it'll need to be next to a wall to do anything other than show us the underside of Aggrobot. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:30, May 15, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Steg 2
Winner: