Forum:Random Format Series 4 - Heat the Tenth

Forums: Index > Random Format Series 4 > Random Format Series 4 - Heat the Tenth

Robot Wars has returned from a long hiatus, and a brand new format has appeared in its place. The Round Robin of Series' 8 and 9 allows each first round winner to fully show off their skills and battle the other winners in a mini-league format to find the two best robots of the four. Which robots will survive the relentlessness of the league?

Round 1

You are voting for the two robots you think would win.

Cronos vs Spawn of Scutter vs Bulldog Breed 2 vs King B3

Cronos		Votes Spawn of Scutter and Bulldog Breed 2. Cronos is so passive and not suited to fighting that it will be easily bullied into danger by Spawn and flipped by Bulldog Breed. King B3's ground clearance will allow Spawn or Bulldog Breed under a lot, and its poor reliability record at the time suggests that it will be the first to conk out under pressure. Spawn and Bulldog should cancel each other out at this time as they pretty easily dominate the melee. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Spawn of Scutter and Bulldog Breed 2. Shame to lose King B3 so early, but does come across as fairly vulnerable to both these other machines and Cronos obviously stands no chance. On the plus side, if the robots I think will get through DO get through, we don't have to worry about the potential of any damage carrying over, because the four robots I think will get through aren't really damaging robots. CrashBash (talk) 10:04, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Spawn of Scutter and King B3. If anything, King B3 is actually the strongest machine here, since its forks can easily breach Spawn of Scutter and especially Bulldog Breed 2. Indeed, while Cronos will be dominated by all three opponents, I feel that Bulldog Breed 2's slow speed and high ground clearance at the sides and rear will be easy for the forks of King B3 or the wedge of Spawn of Scutter to get underneath and push the dog around. To make matters worse, both machines are invertible, reducing the impact of Bulldog Breed 2's flips. Honestly, I just see the quicker, low ground clearance and quick rammers generally controlling Bulldog Breed 2 for the most part, not being fazed by the flips and ultimately pitting its foe. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:10, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Spawn of Scutter and King B3 Cronos I don't think will last, being shunted around the arena by Spawn or flipped by Bulldog Breed II. I see a tight tussle between the remaining three, with Spawn potentially getting the spike underneath Bulldog's flipper, which might not cause a lot of damage, but will increase in aggression. King B3 will nag away at the others, maybe even getting in underneath Bulldog Breed II. A close fight, in which I see Spawn of Scutter being the clear winner, and King B3 just beating out a good Bulldog Breed II. Adster1005 10:19, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Spawn of Scutter and Bulldog Breed Cronos won't last very long but I really don't see King B3 lasting too long either. I mean if Atomic was able to KO King B then Bulldog Breed and most certainly SoS will be able to do so as well. I feel the Bulldog should last a lot longer by standing its ground and using the flipper responsibly (as it did in Series 4) Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:26, May 25, 2020 (UTC) King B3 and Bulldog Breed. First things first, this is a fantastic heat line-up, and a very good use of the S8-9 format - I think this heat is gonna be a corker. A wide range of B and C-tier machines, with only two robots falling below that level, and nine total battles to run! However, I am gonna be the first (and only) person to turn against Spawn of Scutter in the first round. Out of the machines here, it's King B3 who has known reliability woes, but it did survive the full five minutes of its opening melee in Series 4, while Spawn of Scutter struggled with Knightmare. Indeed, Spawn of Scutter generally escapes the claims of Spawn series unreliability, but the problems were definitely still there, with SoS bursting into smoke and breaking down for no reason after its one-bump-breakdown win in its Heat Final. The Annihilator is forgivable with there being so many powerful opponents, but it did still lack a clear cause-of-death in Round 2, losing mobility before Razer crushed it. I think that at the match goes on, Spawn will suffer the most, despite taking Cronos out at the beginning. TOAST 12:44, May 25, 2020 (UTC) What I'm liking about it is that, irregardless of who goes through to the league round (it's very close all around so far), we won't have to worry too much about ongoing damage being a factor as the actual Series 8/9 did, since none of the big six here have really damaging weapons - they're first and foremost designed to control and/or overturn opponents. This was a big concern of mine going in - if Hypno-Disc had been drawn in this heat, goodness knows what sort of a factor that had resulted in. CrashBash (talk) 13:09, May 25, 2020 (UTC) For the sake of removing differences of opinion on lasting damage between users - especially as there's chances of not all fights being unanimous - we'll just say each robot is fixed back to top form between rounds, otherwise we'll get messy votes with some users potentially voting against a robot because of lasting damage other users don't agree with being there. Jimlaad43(talk) 16:08, May 26, 2020 (UTC) Spawn of Scutter and King B3 King B gets through due to its quick speed, which will easily allow it to outpace Bulldog Breed and Cronos, in fact, that ground clearance of Bulldog Breed will make it vulnerable to attacks from all three opponents. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:43, May 25, 2020 (UTC) King B3 and Bulldog Breed 2 I actually think Cronos could survive longer than some are giving it credit for, but regardless it will struggle against all of the other robots in this battle. I think Spawn of Scutter, while a semi-finalist, feels the most vulnerable in this specific scenario due to its sluggish pace, combined with a narrow weapon range in a melee environment with two other effective robots. Spawn of Scutter showed in the Annihilator that it was good at capitalising on distracted opponents in a chaotic melee, but here I think it’ll be more open, and the pace of King B3 combined with the more impressive looking flips I feel Bulldog Breed 2 would pull off, will leave it struggling to capitalise. I’m not confident it’ll beach Bulldog Breed 2 high enough on its wedge to effectively use its spike, while King B3 will simply slide away. Raz3r(talk) 00:40, May 26, 2020 (UTC) King B3 and Bulldog Breed 2 Spawn of Scutter is best against certain types of machines. I don't think King B3 will be one of those. It's fast, aggressive, and should be able to move away from most of Spawn of Scutter's proposed pushes. Bulldog Breed will also just prove awkward to get underneath. I think unless Spawn of Scutter KO's Cronos, its spike isn't going to land any good attacks, and the aggressive King B3, and flipping Bulldog Breed 2 will go through. This will be sealed even more if Bulldog Breed flips over Cronos for a KO. NJGW (talk) 01:42, May 26, 2020 (UTC) King B3 and Spawn of Scutter - Cronos is the weakest in the battle by a margin, unfortunately. Out of the others, Bulldog Breed 2 strikes me as the most vulnerable - it's slow, it's got a high ground clearance, it's got a big vulnerable rear and sides that are easy to attack, and the flipper really won't faze either of its invertible opponents. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:05, May 26, 2020 (UTC) Spawn of Scutter and Bulldog Breed 2 Had King B3 lost to a hardier opponent than a flipperless Atomic, I would have given it the benefit of the doubt here, but I can't help but picture Spawn of Scutter's spike hitting King B dead centre as it runs up the wedge. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 21:44, May 26, 2020 (UTC) Spawn of Scutter and King B3 Ignoring Cronos for a minute, what can Bulldog Breed’s flipper actually do to two wide, flat, low Centre of Gravity robots like King B3 and Spawn of Scutter? It’s flipper wasn’t the greatest in series 4, and whilst I know King B3 broke down against Atomic in its second fight, it did last the full 3 minutes against Attila and Medusa, and was the dominant force in the fight. I think here too it could easily play an active part in the melee, whilst Spawn’s spike could easily do harm to both, King B is more likely to drive off their wedge than Bulldog Breed; who’s 2 drive wheels are situated in the middle. King B and Spawn through for me. RelicRaider (talk) 23:01, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
Spawn of Scutter
Bulldog Breed 2
King B3
Results	Qualified: Spawn of Scutter & King B3	Score: (0-9-7-8)

Wild Thing vs Wheelosaurus vs Raizer Blade vs Crusader 2

Wild Thing		Votes Wild Thing and Crusader 2. Wheelosaurus is going to be bundled onto a flame pit and left to burn by Wild Thing pretty damn quickly. It's clear that Wild Thing is the class of this group, and it's a case of which one between Raizer Blade and Crusader will do enough/be less vulnerable to go through. Crusader has the invertability which should allow it to survive being overturned by Wild Thing's wedge, and I'm not sure how many knocks Raizer Blade can take before it breaks down itself. Crusader to out-survive Raizer Blade to join the Adams family in the Round Robin. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing and Crusader 2. Raizer Blade isn't going to lose this due to lack of reliability, which we really can't say it had in the first place because it was stuck against Hypno-Disc. It's going to lose it on ground clearance and control. Obviously Wheelosaurus isn't going to be a factor either. CrashBash (talk) 10:05, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing and Raizer Blade. Raizer Blade is actually a fairly reliable machine. In Series 3, where many robots had reception issues, it seemed very lively across the arena. It also tanked one blow from Hypno-Disc at the start, and that was before its impressive lift on the seed. In contrast, how reliable is Crusader 2 really? Yes, one could argue that it was just as reliable as Raizer Blade, it just suffered too much damage from Mortis' axe, breaking the chain. But here is the thing; why is there a dual-chain device if these chains were so reliable? And why did the device not work when it needed to against Mortis? Here is my concern; when Crusader 2 is facing robots with low pushing ability, it generally dominates. But against decent rammers like Mortis, is it really that durable? Especially when considering that Wild Thing was one of the best, and Raizer Blade was not that bad either in that department. Unless Raizer Blade is toppled over by Wild Thing, I actually struggle to see Crusader 2 surviving to the end, because the attacks from Raizer Blade and especially Wild Thing (who can just wedge underneath and slam its opponent into a CPZ), will certainly damage the chain(s). Henceforth, I think the relentless pushing power from both opponents will cause Crusader 2 to conk out, in the end. Wheelosaurus to be entertaining as always, ultimately being pitted. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:19, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing and Raizer Blade and we're guaranteed to lose a Semi-Finalist! Anyway, Wheelosaurus is the weak link, being pushed around repeatedly until an eventual KO push from Wild Thing. Wild Thing will keep pushing and pushing at both of the two remaining, and out of the other two, I think Raizer Blade might have a go at Wild Thing whilst it is being pushed around, but also I think Raizer Blade is better suited to attack Crusader II, as it can get the lifting arm underneath and lift it up. The slams from Wild Thing won't help it either, as the chains might go. Adster1005 10:26, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing and Crusader 2 Wild Thing is 100% through and Wheelosaurus is 100% out but out of the others, I must say it's a lot more challenging. I'll go for Crusader 2, simply because it could/should be faster and more aggressive (as well as damaging) than Raizer Blade can be, so I'm going for Crusader 2. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:05, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing and Crusader 2. Really, really close one. With Hypno-Disc not involved, I'd love to picture Raizer Blade being more reminiscent of its Series 3 self, darting around the arena like nobody's business and showing real aggression. There's plenty of occasions where Raizer Blade makes it through this melee. However, the flipping weapon of Crusader 2 does give it the ability to KO Raizer Blade in a one-on-one between the two machines, and without a similar advantage being held by Raizer Blade, I can't quite back it today. TOAST 12:47, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing and Crusader 2. Wheelosaurus falls by the wayside fairly quickly, allowing the other three to tussle out in the fight that really matters. In the end, Raizer Blade's ground clearance and rather narrow weapon counts against it. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:44, May 25, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing and Crusader 2 I think Raizer Blade’s been a bit unfortunate with this draw. I can see both Wild Thing and Crusader 2 getting round its sides with ease and wedging underneath the large ground clearance. But if Wild Thing or Crusader 2 gets the right attack in, it could also turn Raizer Blade over, and I’m not confident in its self-righting capabilities, if it has any at all. As long as Crusader 2 avoids the House Robots, I think it’ll survive just fine without having to face a damaging weapon. Wild Thing will display as much aggression and control as it usually does, while Wheelosaurus will be removed from the equation very early on. Raz3r(talk) 00:48, May 26, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing and Crusader 2. I personally think Wild Thing is in a lot of trouble here. Crusader 2 can carry out some lovely drives, and Raizer Blade has a weapon capable of opportunistic lifts. I see this being like the Arnold A fight for Wild Thing - it'll awkwardly push machines around without any truly effective or notable pushes into danger areas. However, I'll say it'll just about be okay because I just don't trust Raizer Blade in at close-quarters to manouevre or angle itself effectively throughout. NJGW (talk) 01:48, May 26, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing and Crusader 2 I appreciate Crusader 2 as a rammer, it did well against Steg 2 and Mortis before the breakdown, I think it’s difficult to judge considering how little we saw of it, but it has enough in it to dispatch of Raizer Blade, in part due to the latter’s narrow range of attack. The less we say about Wheelosaurus the better. Don’t even have to mention Wild Thing here, it’ll be always on its feet dancing around the arena, I think the only real question that’ll bear any significance is who’s lower out of Wild Thing and Crusader, and it’s hard to judge. RelicRaider (talk) 22:56, May 26, 2020 (UTC)
Wheelosaurus
Raizer Blade
Crusader 2
Results	Qualified: Wild Thing & Crusader 2	Score: (10-0-2-8)

Round Robin

Please remember to specify whether the battle will be won as a Knockout, or by the judges.

Spawn of Scutter vs Crusader 2

Spawn of Scutter	Crusader 2
Votes for Spawn of Scutter Judges' Decision. Two very similar robots here; invertible boxes with small and odd flipping devices at the front. Of the two, Spawn has the better wedge and the weapon with the right reach to cause the other issues. I can't see Crusader being able to pull off a Panic Attack here, but can see Spawn using the spike to bounce Crusader around the arena, potentially causing a chain to fall off a drive wheel. As the battle wears on, Crusader is likely to find itself losing every battle-of-the-ground-clearance (BOTGC) and being pushed back in response. Unless the chain loss is terminal, I can see neither able to KO the other, but Spawn should take a pretty dominant victory through the judges. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:51, May 27, 2020 (UTC) JD. Damn, I think that first battle was one of the closest fights we've had in a long time. My concern for Crusader 2 here is that I don't think its lifting mechanism can reach high enough to repeat what Panic Attack did (although you could argue it shouldn't have won by that way anyway, but goodness knows what the rules were regarding that...). If either can get to the sides, they'll have an advantage. Spawn's longer front should be able to give it more of a chance, I would say. CrashBash (talk) 09:09, May 27, 2020 (UTC) If Relic had voted for Spawn and Bulldog, we would have had a dead heat. Three robots on 8 votes, and the judges' also gave 2 votes to each of the three robots, meaning it would have come all the way down to a commentator's choice. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:24, May 27, 2020 (UTC) JD A slightly tough one because I think there is an argument for Crusader to win this but simply because SOS is more damaging with that spike, i’ll go for it.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:40, May 27, 2020 (UTC) Spawn of Scutter by KO. I was all set to vote for Crusader 2 on the grounds of a "lower forked wedge" and better weapon/reliability, but from screenshots, perhaps Crusader's forks aren't as low to the floor as I thought. If I review the battle footage to gauge the clearance properly then I might change my vote, but without access to episodes at work I'll have to take the safe bet on Spawn being lower for now. Could be a good one though. KO by House Robots either way. TOAST 09:45, May 27, 2020 (UTC) KO. My concern again centres upon the fact that I am unsure how durable Crusader 2's chains are. We never got to see whether they would survive a powerful Steg 2 flip, nor withstand a relentless rammer like Spawn of Scutter (Mortis' axe blows means it does not count). Spawn of Scutter is not reliable either, but as we sure in its heat, it could easily exploit the reliability issues of its foes. I think relentless pounding, where its wedge outmatches Crusader 2's forks, should give it the advantage here, securing the knockout and thus the three points. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:56, May 27, 2020 (UTC) KO. Spawn of Scutter to use the spike and front to catch the sides of Crusader, and push it around and into the House Robots. After enough pressuring, Crusader will eventually fall thanks to the chains. Adster1005 10:40, May 27, 2020 (UTC) KO. Crusader's double chain can't be that good if it didn't work, I fancy Spawn can cause something to go wrong with it. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:30, May 27, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Crusader 2 JD. I'm usually one of the people who is cautious about Crusader 2's potential. However, I also don't rate Spawn of Scutter all that highly either. Here, I do think Crusader 2 will prove the more nimble and will manage more meaningful attacks out of the two. It will be close, but Crusader 2 should be able to reverse away and deliver longer drives across the arena than Spawn of Scutter will be able too, for me. NJGW (talk) 17:42, May 27, 2020 (UTC) Please remember to specify whether the battle will be won as a Knockout, or by the judges. CrashBash (talk) 18:32, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Spawn of Scutter by Knockout (7-1)

Wild Thing vs King B3

Wild Thing	King B3
Votes for Wild Thing Knockout. Wild Thing should easily romp its way past King B3, sliding under with the wedge and pushing King B3 into the House Robots. A few saws from Dead Metal and a flip by Matilda later, King B3 will be waning, just in time for Wild Thing to dump it in the pit. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:51, May 27, 2020 (UTC) KO. A year later, Wild Thing would push Tornado very close. I can see this fight being very similar, but King B just isn't as reliable in the long run and can't cope with the pressure, so likely any dominant start will sadly go to waste. I do still see potential for King B as the heat goes on, mind...CrashBash (talk) 09:11, May 27, 2020 (UTC) KO I don’t agree with King B being here but it was close...except now King B will be dead last and will lose every fight huh. Well my bettings on Wild Thing to win this heat and here it will ram and slam as much as it desires.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:37, May 27, 2020 (UTC) Wild Thing by KO. I had no expectation of King B3 getting through the melee, I know I voted for it but that was an unusual anti-Spawn vote, never did I consider Bulldog Breed falling. Unfortunately the Round Robin suffers as a direct result, with King B3 now set to replicate its record as King B Remix. TOAST 09:48, May 27, 2020 (UTC) KO Wild Thing will be relentless in pushing King B3 around the arena, and King B3 will eventually fall thanks to a good charge by Wild Thing pushing it into the pit. Adster1005 10:42, May 27, 2020 (UTC) JD. Benefit of the doubt that King B will take this to the judges, but Wild Thing's front wedge will be a lot more effective, and an easy decision. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:32, May 27, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for King B3 JD. Wave goodbye to a clean sweep run in this heat, folks! But anyhow, am I the only one that thinks King B3 is getting some pretty poor treatment here? Quite frankly, I think it is the favourite in this heat now. Now, you could argue that if Atomic beat King B3, surely Wild Thing should too. Thing is, Atomic's design was near impossible to properly lift and control by its foe's forks. Whereas Wild Thing's design means its sides are absolutely perfect for being able to topple over by the forks of King B3. For the most part, I see King B3 driving off Wild Thing's wedge, then performing a Arnold, A. Terminegger approach by tackling those high ground clearance sides, putting Wild Thing in a compromising position that will enable the rammer to shove its opponent relatively unopposed. Ultimately, unless King B3 burns out again (which to be fair, only happened once, note its success in the Tag Team Terror as well!!), this will be a very aggressive battle where ultimately its forks, plus Wild Thing's exploitable design, should give it the victory here. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:53, May 27, 2020 (UTC) I think of all your contrarian vote, this one maybe the one I disagree with the most.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:05, May 27, 2020 (UTC) Oh, don't worry, Space. I am confident there is one fight here King B3 can win...by knockout, no less. I just don't think it's this fight. CrashBash (talk) 10:55, May 27, 2020 (UTC) JD. Yeah, I'll back King B3 too. It broke down against Atomic, but was very alive and very active throughout its other three battles in The Fourth Wars. I think its prongs will prove very handy, and it can edge out Wild Thing with aggressive lift-drive combinations, in a good, close bout. NJGW (talk) 17:52, May 27, 2020 (UTC) Please remember to specify whether the battle will be won as a Knockout, or by the judges. CrashBash (talk) 18:32, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: Wild Thing by Knockout (6-2)

Standings after first battles

Robot	Points
Wild Thing	3
Spawn of Scutter	3
Crusader 2	0
King B3	0

Wild Thing vs Spawn of Scutter

Wild Thing	Spawn of Scutter
Votes for Wild Thing KO. This is a Wild Thing win all the way and it all comes down to ground clearance. True, both robots showed that they could certainly work their way under other robots, but Wild Thing always seemed like it could do so more consistently. A good example would be to watch Spawn of Scutter's first fight again. We all remember it for the way it KO'ed Banshee and also Banshee's hilarious decapitation, but Knightmare was also able to get around Spawn's side and managed to push it around easily - this is something I feel many people miss (or refuse to acknowledge). If Knightmare can boss Spawn around, surely Wild Thing, which is far more agile than Knightmare, will be able to as well. Furthermore, I know Toast gave Knightmare some flack about not being able to get under Banshee, but for the longest time, Spawn couldn't either. It was only able to do so after using Knightmare as a block. Either this implies that Banshee is just difficult to get under...or Spawn's front ground clearance is not that low, which would imply that, in a head-on-collision, Wild Thing wins the ground clearance game more often than not. Even past all that, it's a Scutterbot...it's bound to break down eventually, and a robot constantly piling on the pressure that we know Wild Thing will won't help matters. CrashBash (talk) 09:13, May 29, 2020 (UTC) KO Looking at Wild Thing's fight with Hypno-Disc in the Semi-Final, when it wasn't being attacked, Wild Thing was constantly chasing Hypno-Disc down, and pushing it into the walls and House Robots, and I see a similar fight here. Wild Thing will get around the side of Spawn and start pushing it into "danger" areas, such as the House Robots, and maybe the spikes (like Tornado did with Gemini). I then see a pitting, or the House Robots catching SoS in the right place to get a KO. Adster1005 09:18, May 29, 2020 (UTC) KO A very easy win for Wild Thing here, it will ram and dominate Spawn of Scutter, similar to Panic Attack minus the lifting forks, and will rock SoS in such a way I can see it being KO'd rather viciously.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:24, May 29, 2020 (UTC) KO. I’m not too concerned about Spawn’s wedge, the Banshee thing was more down to the steep angle of Spawn’s front than it was the proximity to the ground. I also think it’s greater speed and weapon could allow it to win this match. But the early assault from Knightmare that Crash brings up did happen, and Wild Thing is worlds ahead of Knightmare. Gotta back the more proven machine here. TOAST 09:29, May 29, 2020 (UTC) Knightmare could have beaten Spawn of Scutter, and you would still be burying it, ha ha. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:32, May 29, 2020 (UTC) KO. Yeah, I doubt Spawn of Scutter's wedge and spike can exploit Wild Thing's high ground clearance sides as effectively as King B3's forks can. And if Spawn of Scutter struggled to get underneath Knightmare for the most part, Wild Thing should easily win the battle of the ground clearances. A battle where Wild Thing's ruthless aggression will eventually lead to Spawn of Scutter breaking down. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:32, May 29, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Spawn of Scutter JD. Wild Thing was supremely slippery and impossible to kill, but I just feel like Spawn's spike flipper might actually be the weapon to get get Wild Thing trapped awkwardly. The BOTGC will probably be 50/50, with both robots winning at certain times. Wild Thing is only going to push if it gets around the side of Spawn as a push from the front will just grind the back of Spawn into the floor, stopping a push. When Spawn wins the BOTGC, it can fire the spike at the underside of Wild Thing, which can tip it over onto its back. Spawn can use this time of confusion to shove Wild Thing about and into dangers like the House Robots or the pit. WT will probably slide away due to awkward bouncing before it can be pitted, so it will survive to the end, but a win will be awarded to Spawn for more meaningful attacks throughout the battle. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:05, May 29, 2020 (UTC)
Winner:

King B3 vs Crusader 2

King B3	Crusader 2
Votes for King B3 KO. King B3 is the more likely of these two robots to push the other around and lift the other too. King B3 could probably puncture the side armour of Crusader with a good charge with the spikes raised. From there King B3 can try to get Crusader impaled and dragged towards some arena dangers, eventually ending with a House Robot damaged Crusader 2 dumped in the pit. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:05, May 29, 2020 (UTC) KO. So, this is the one fight I feel King B can win by knockout. Crusader may well start the stronger, but if King B3 can get to the side, it runs a serious risk of getting a drive chain damaged, or at the very least getting pushed into a House Robot. Think of it as how King B Powerworks would defeat Tornado a year later, except probably more likely to happen. CrashBash (talk) 09:15, May 29, 2020 (UTC) KO King B3 will constantly put pressure onto Crusader to, from all sides, and could get the chain. King B will also push Crusader into the House Robots, who might get a bit of damage in, and the chains will eventually go on Crusader, meaning a KO victory for King B. Crusader will have its moments in the fight, but King B to pressure it's way to a victory. Adster1005 09:21, May 29, 2020 (UTC)	Votes for Crusader 2 KO. I’m surprised by the early proceedings here, and don’t doubt Crusader 2. It has the better weaponry, speed, and I have more faith in it to go the distance. Crusader 2 to generally lead throughout until King B3 packs in. TOAST 09:27, May 29, 2020 (UTC) KO This definitely a fight King B3 can win and is perhaps the toughest fight to judge here. I do feel people are overrating King B's lifters as there were very few moments in its history where its forks were effective (Draven, OverDozer for example) and were effective when a robot was slow or had a high ground clearance. Crusader has neither and I'd argue has the better lifter here. Both robots are ticking time bombs but I feel Crusader's better weaponry and ramming power will surpass King B. Close battle to call.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:29, May 29, 2020 (UTC)
Winner: