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Robot Wars:The Fifth Wars
Commentator	Toon Ganondorf
Original channel(s)	Wikia
First Aired	July 31, 2017

Robot Wars: The Fifth Wars: is a competition held on the Robot Wars Wiki. It is based on the first Fifth Wars, with the substantially same structure.

But everyone is in a Tag Team.

Heats

Heat A

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Bee-Capitator & Firestorm 3 vs S3 & Plunderbird 5

Bee-Capitator & Firestorm 3	S3 & Plunderbird 5
Votes for Bee-Capitator & Firestorm 3 I had a vote for S3 and Plunderbird 5 all written out, and then I rewatched the fight between Firestorm 4 and S3. I have no doubt that Bee-Capitator is being KO'd in the first thirty seconds of this fight - a single hit from S3 could probably overturn it. But Firestorm 3 absolutely can carry Bee-Capitator through for the win. Graham Bone completely outclassed S3 in their 1v1 clash on the driving front. If S3 had been better at manoeuvring with Firestorm, or if Plunderbird 5 had any way of lasting past a single flip, I'd vote judges to eliminate Firestorm and Bee-Capitator. But the reality is Firestorm can overturn Plunderbird 5 easily enough and then its a 1v1 we've seen before. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:02, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Bee-Capitator will be KO'ed but Firestorm can take care of S3 and Plunderbird 5 both. Plunderbird has no srimech but S3 will just be flipped constantly. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 13:08, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Blimey, tough one to start. Bee-Capitator's getting shredded by S3, that's no question. Firestorm charges out and rams S3, Plunderbird comes out to intercept, two-on-one. If S3 manages to get a decent hit to Firestorm's side whilst it's distracted by Plunderbird, then it might be all over, but S3 did tend to have trouble positioning for an attack, constantly over-turning and having to readjust. Whilst S3 is struggling to line up an attack, Plunderbird's getting flipped, and then Firestorm's got the advantage. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:12, July 31, 2017 (UTC) There's no question that Bee-Capitator will be disabled by S3 within seconds. But then Firestorm comes out, and S3 begins to struggle badly. Even if Plunderbird can come out and try to act as a distraction, it won't work. Either Firestorm will ignore it and continue to boss S3 around until it either goes into the pit or out of the arena, both of them more than possible, OR it can turn on Plunderbird, flip it over easily, and then focus entirely on S3 again. CrashBash (talk) 14:23, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Bee-Capitator could die, but if Tag Teams have ever shown is that both robots tend to enter the arena. S3 is surely the more destructive but Firestorm is the slver bullet in this battle and will despose of Plunderbird in one flip and S3 can be chucked about or chucked out.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 14:32, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Bee-Capitator will no doubt be 'bee-capitated' by S3's disc, but Firestorm is sure to deliver a painful sting by bossing S3 around in the same way it ultimately did in Series 6. I don't know what Plunderbird 5 can do to rescue S3 before its pitted or thrown out, but one flip is all it will take for Firestorm to defeat it as well. VulcansHowl 15:39, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Firestorm 3 will dart out the moment that Bee-Capitator comes under pressure. Even if Bee-Capitator is turned over by S3, Firestorm 3 will be able to take back control of this battle. If S3 had a better, more controlled teammate, then Firestorm 3 may have trouble disposing of S3, but in this case, S3 isn't going to get any help. S3 won't end the battle inside the arena, and even if Plunderbird 5 can't be turned over before cease, Firestorm 3 will ensure that both teams have, at the most, one robot, and it can take the Judges' decision as a result. Nweston8 (talk) 17:05, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Bee-Capitator will get predictable pwned by S3, but Firestorm can easily outflip both opponents. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:27, July 31, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for S3 & Plunderbird 5 With Firestorm distracted by Plunderbird for only a few seconds, S3 has the opportunity to hit the weak sides of Firestorm. In this time, the sides will be vulnerable. I feel that the opportunity for an OHKO by Firestorm on Plunderbird will be too tempting, and that split second is the point where the battle can turn in favour of the newcomers*. We know Firestorm's sides are vulnerable to a fluke KO from a spinner, who's to say it can't happen again? Jimlaad43(talk) 12:27, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Hmm. Certainly Firestorm IV bodied S3, but even though Firestorm III is a very similar machine, there's some key differences. For one, this is S3's debut battle, and Firestorm has less reason to suspect it. Secondly, Firestorm III did die from a hard knock when faced with a spinner, which later Firestorms did not. Crucially, Firestorm has yet to earn an OotA at this point in time, and the Disc of Doom trigger is also missing, so I see S3 staying firmly in the arena. Factoring in the destructive downfall of Bee-Capitator and the damage Firestorm will sustain while failing to secure a knockout, and I think Plunderbird just avenged its loss in the Tag Team Terror from Series 4. TOAST 02:00, August 1, 2017 (UTC) I was just convinced by ToastUltimatum. GutripperSpeak 04:12, August 1, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Bee-Capitator & Firestorm 3 (8-3)

Sumpthing & Widow's Revenge vs Dome & Diotoir

Sumpthing & Widow's Revenge	Dome & Diotoir
Votes for Sumpthing & Widow's Revenge Sumpthing's spikes will probably damage something vital inside of Dome, which will either be KO'd as a result, or just breakdown on its own accord. Diotoir will then come out to help, but with Widow's Revenge's wide shape and Sumpthing's nippy aggression, it'll struggle to flip either and will also be attacked itself. It seems unlikely and I certainly know why the scoreline is currently what it is, but this version of Sumpthing was at least competitive and Widow's Revenge can keep trundling along too. Nweston8 (talk) 17:14, July 31, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Dome & Diotoir Sumpthing vs. Dome - the clash of titans we always wanted! Diotoir, as a bona fide Tag Team Champion, would probably win this clash even if it was 3 v 1. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:02, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Easy victory for the heat finalist. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:24, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Well I think we've found the ultimate free pass tag team. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 13:08, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Heat L would like to disagree with you. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:41, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Dome vs Sumpthing to start, wow. Neither robot can do much to the other, I guess both will look aggressive if nothing else, but given Sumpthing's legendary unreliability maybe Dome's trebuchet thing can dislodge something important? Doesn't really matter if it can't, as soon as it tags Diotoir can mop up both. Sumpthing will probably get flipped, Widow's Revenge is a bit more awkward to dispose of but it can't do much to fight back. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:20, July 31, 2017 (UTC) Diotoir could topple Widow's Revenge while Sumpthing, due to having exposed electronics and being unreliable will probably die from ether being flipped or pushed all around. The Dome, I can't really see what it can do other than take some of the hits like it did against against Vader only this time it's against these two, starting with Sumpthing but like always the partner, in this case Diotoir, will come in and save the day.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 14:35, July 31, 2017 (UTC) I'm not really sure how useful Dome's trebuchet will be, but there's no doubt that Diotoir's Tag Team experience will come in handy here. Widow's Revenge to be pushed and flicked about, while Sumpthing breaks down in its usual way despite being reasonably aggressive and damaging throughout. VulcansHowl 15:39, July 31, 2017 (UTC) I reckon Dome's weapon could be quite effective on that flat top of Widow's Revenge. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:29, July 31, 2017 (UTC) I could buy Nick's theory if it were just a little more... true? I don't mean that in a harsh way - certainly Series 6's Sumpthing was very competitive in its melee, and that Sumpthing could quite possibly handle this match - but Sumpthing had five minutes to do nothing in Series 5, and it lost to a robot that did nothing. Diotoir at least secure one KO and that will have to do. TOAST 02:03, August 1, 2017 (UTC) Just signing my name. GutripperSpeak 04:13, August 1, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Dome & Diotoir (8-1)

Play-off

Widow's Revenge & Sumpthing vs Plunderbird 5 & S3

Widow's Revenge & Sumpthing	Plunderbird 5 & S3
Votes for Sumpthing & Widow's Revenge	Votes for Plunderbird 5 & S3 I figured we can get the next two over and done with. S3 could win this single handedly - you know, Plunderbird 5 could probably win this single-handedly. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:30, August 1, 2017 (UTC) Plunderbird bosses Widow's Revenge, Sumpthing rushes out to attempt to rescue it and promptly gets mauled by S3, which then finishes off Widow's Revenge. Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:34, August 1, 2017 (UTC) lol. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:47, August 1, 2017 (UTC) Y'know Plunderbird could actually do some damage to Sumpthing's electronics and could get the claw around the sides of Widow's Revenge as well. Though if S3 comes in the opposition is dead, so regardless they're doomed!Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:04, August 1, 2017 (UTC) Very easy win for the superior pair. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:29, August 1, 2017 (UTC) Easy CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 01:20, August 2, 2017 (UTC) S3 and Plunderbird will tear Sump Thing and Widow's Revenge to pieces within seconds. Hell, S3 could win against the other three if they were duplicated for a 1 v 6. Raz3r(talk) 07:55, August 2, 2017 (UTC) This one is S3's to dominate, while Plunderbird 5 will survive purely for being on standby for the whole bout. VulcansHowl 07:55, August 2, 2017 (UTC) Plunderbird could probably beat either robot individually. TOAST 22:06, August 2, 2017 (UTC) Yay, another S3 damage exhibition. Nweston8 (talk) 22:44, August 2, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Plunderbird 5 & S3 (10-0)

Heat Final

Bee-Capitator & Firestorm 3 vs Dome & Diotoir

Bee-Capitator & Firestorm 3	Dome & Diotoir
Votes for Bee-Capitator & Firestorm 3 Dome joins Scorpion in the glorious hall of fame that is the Tag Team Runners Up. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:30, August 1, 2017 (UTC) Dome slices up some fur with the Swinging Pizza Cutter of Mild Peril, but as soon as Firestorm joins the fight it's all over. Would be a slightly more interesting fight if Diotoir could self-right, but it can't quite even with the frame things and on a full-power flip (see Diotoir vs Spawn Again), so easy victory. Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:39, August 1, 2017 (UTC) Dome and Diotoir are both out when they're flipped. Firestorm can flip both easily. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:48, August 1, 2017 (UTC) I'd like to imagine that Diotoir at least topples Bee-Capitator.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:05, August 1, 2017 (UTC) Remember my article of S4 robots who got a free pass through the first round due to the other two robots fighting 1-on-1? Maybe after this series, someone should do one on robots that were carried by their partner! Hogwild94 (talk) 17:30, August 1, 2017 (UTC) Yup CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 01:20, August 2, 2017 (UTC) Bee-Capitator will get knocked out or damaged by Dome, but Firestorm will almost certainly come to the rescue and flip both of its opponents over. Raz3r(talk) 07:55, August 2, 2017 (UTC) Again, I doubt the damage potential of Dome, but unlike last time, both it and Diotoir are vulnerable to one-flip knockouts. Regardless of Bee-Capitator's involvement, Firestorm 3 will kindly deliver their flips of death... VulcansHowl 07:55, August 2, 2017 (UTC) Hopefully Bee-Capitator will at least stab Dome before the battle is decided by two flips. TOAST 22:39, August 2, 2017 (UTC) lol. Nweston8 (talk) 22:45, August 2, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Dome & Diotoir
Winners: Bee-Capitator & Firestorm 3 (10-0)

Heat B

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

King B Powerworks & Kronic 2 vs Axe-Awe & Granny's Revenge

King B Powerworks & Kronic 2	Axe-Awe & Granny's Revenge
Votes for King B Powerworks & Kronic 2 Were it not for Granny's Revenge, this might have been an interesting fight. Kronic 2 really was a limp piece of metal in series 5, completely outclassed by King B Powerworks. Axe-Awe might be better than Kronic, but with Granny's Revenge just begging to be flipped for a 2v1 fight, this can only go one way. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 04:20, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Axe-Axe will prove difficult but through careful driving and constant ramming then it will die under pressure and when (not if) Kronic come out it will make life much worse for Axe-Awe. Granny's Revenge is just dead.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:01, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Granny is the weak link which is the decider. Jimlaad43(talk) 06:44, August 3, 2017 (UTC) The moment Granny's Revenge inevitably comes out, it's dead no matter who gets to it, and Axe-Awe just isn't strong enough to take down King B AND Kronic on its own. CrashBash (talk) 06:49, August 3, 2017 (UTC) King B may not like facing Axe-Awe, but it survived Dominator 2's axe and put up a decent fight. Axe-Awe seemed to have trouble with 'over-turning', a massive problem against a machine that'll punish a lack of manoeuvrability- King B stands a decent chance of taking it alone. Two on one, and Axe-Awe's toast. Combatwombat555 (talk) 10:56, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Imagine this in its most up-to-date form possible, King B Remix and BattleBots Chronic vs Iron-Awe 7 and... Granny's Revenge II. Granny's uselessness spans time itself. TOAST 11:26, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Have to admit, I was impressed with King B's performance against Kronic 2, and given Axe-Awe's lack of precision, I could easily see it ramming the latter around in the opening stages. Kronic 2 then comes round to land a few flips in for more aggression points... after throwing Granny onto the flames, of course. VulcansHowl 17:38, August 3, 2017 (UTC) King B here isn't outdated or anything, it's powerful. Kronic is just sort of there, but it is good nonetheless. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 22:43, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Granny's Revenge is going to be beaten so quickly, and Axe-Awe won't be able to provide a comeback route. It'll struggle to flip Kronic, and will have King B Powerworks nagging at its sides throughout. Nweston8 (talk) 12:19, August 4, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Axe-Awe & Granny's Revenge I may have lost my sanity, but I'm backing the partnership with Granny. Axe-Awe, a machine with a capable axe and flipper, fights King B, a robot which didn't enjoy facing either, first. I see King B dying after suffering overhead and internal damage, and then Axe-Awe beating Kronic in ground clearance and reliability and armour, while Granny does...absolute jack. Raz3r(talk) 04:58, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Eh, Axe Awe can easily beat both opponents on its own. King B doesn't have the same precision as Panic Attack. BTW, can we assume that Granny's Revenge will be unable to continue into the next round, so shouldn't the team break out a reserve, like Purple Predator? Hogwild94 (talk) 17:31, August 3, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: King B Powerworks & Kronic 2 (9-2)

Wild Thing & Trouble 'n' Strife vs Mini Morg & Kat 3

Wild Thing & Trouble 'n' Strife	Mini Morg & Kat 3
Votes for Wild Thing & Trouble 'n' Strife Wild Thing might have struggled in melees, but it does have backup here. Mini Morg was at its worst this series, and will get pushed around easily by Wild Thing before being flipped over by Trouble 'n' Strife. Wild Thing beat Dominator 2, and can cause enough damage to Kat 3 along with Trouble 'n Strife's aggressive attacks to take this, though not without Kat 3 causing some damage to the top of Trouble 'n' Strife. Not to mention that Kat 3 struggled with self-righting before Series 7, so one or two flips from the green machine could finish the fight. Raz3r(talk) 05:05, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Meh, you call nearly every robot you don't like overrated, TG, often with no provocation. Therefore, your argument really doesn't convince me at all. In all seriousness, what are either Mini Morg and Kat 3 supposed to do to Wild Thing, let alone Trouble 'n' Strife? Kat 3 really wasn't even that great in Series 5, since it had no self-righting mechanism, and its axe seemed to get stuck at a certain degree after a while. If you want to actually beat Wild Thing, you kinda need your weapon purely to outscore it. As for Mini Morg, same deal. Yeah, it could probably use its lifter to overturn Wild Thing, but it never did. It just used its tiny little axe. Wild Thing could easily boss it around. And if Trouble 'n' Strife can keep itself in control, then this team has the severe advantage. CrashBash (talk) 05:11, August 3, 2017 (UTC) The much more powerful robots in my eyes, Mini Morg will be flipped or battered while Kat 3 has the easy to hit wheel guards and won't survive pressure from both machines.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:06, August 3, 2017 (UTC) It doesn't really matter how bad T'n'S's weapons may be, Wild Thing can win this alone. Morg will die quickly, and Kat will lose some armour panels. Jimlaad43(talk) 06:47, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Mini Morg did not perform well in this series, and will be bossed by Wild Thing. Kat 3 will probably put up a better fight, but the wheel-protection looks like it'd take damage, and if Trouble 'n' Strife can come in from a side and get a good flip in it's all over. Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:00, August 3, 2017 (UTC) I don't disagree with TG's analysis of TnS for that would mean disagreeing with Peter Forsey himself, but the slow pace of Mini Morg vs Kat 3 doesn't suggest that they will be a very active team. TOAST 11:30, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Now matter how good Wild Thing and Trouble 'n' Strife's spinners actually were, they should be able to cause sufficient damage to win here. I mean, Major Tom wrecked this Kat 3's back end, lets not forget. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:32, August 3, 2017 (UTC) With Mini Morg's traction issues and cumbersome disposition, Wild Thing is going to have no trouble pushing it around at the start, possibly into the House Robots or the pit. Trouble 'n' Strife's disc will also cause some substantial damage, especially to Kat 3, providing that it can mitigate its own control issues. VulcansHowl 17:38, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Agree with this side. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 22:43, August 3, 2017 (UTC) Kat 3 vs. Mini Morg is one of the most pathetic fights of Series 5, and this version of Kat 3 is probably the single weakest robot after the weight increase to make a heat final. Wild Thing will probably take on Mini Morg and shunt that around, while Trouble 'n' Strife wrecks Kat 3's frail armour. Nweston8 (talk) 12:19, August 4, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Mini Morg & Kat 3 This is the most interesting fight so far. Trouble 'n' Strife is by far one of the most overrated robots. Talking to Peter Forsey showed me that - the robot struggled to keep its weapon flash to the floor, it couldn't get friction on the arena floor, and it was back heavy on a weapon that was only useful if you drove into it. Mini Morg and Kat 3 are interesting in that Kat 3 has shielded wheels to prevent Wild Thing dominating it like it did Dominator 2, and Mini Morg isn't the sort of robot Wild Thing usually bosses around. Wild Thing also struggles in group battles, as shown in a loser's melee and Mayhem. If Trouble 'n' Strife is as small a fish as I think, Mini Morg and Kat 3 could take this one. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 04:23, August 3, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Wild Thing & Trouble 'n' Strife (10-1)

Playoff

Mini Morg & Kat 3 vs Axe-Awe & Granny's Revenge

Mini Morg & Kat 3	Axe-Awe & Granny's Revenge
Votes for Mini Morg & Kat 3	Votes for Axe-Awe & Granny's Revenge For me, this came down to whether Granny's Revenge started out. If Granny had come out, one of the other two could beat it, forcing Axe Awe to have to pull something extraordinary off to win. But Axe Awe is a far better robot than Mini Morg or Kat 3 and can definitely handle them. Somehow, Granny's Revenge isn't making the Dud Final. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 14:05, August 5, 2017 (UTC) With Axe-Awe starting, I see them comfortably controlling Mini Morg, with Mini Morg having no reply and eventually being immobilised under sustained pressure. It's likely Kat 3 will take out Granny's Revenge, leaving a one v one with Axe-Awe, who can flip Kat 3 over and has the better axe anyway. Raz3r(talk) 14:14, August 5, 2017 (UTC) Mini Morg will be quite comfortably dealt with, and even if Kat 3 tries to come to its aid immediately, it won't be able to do anything itself. It's Axe-Awe all the way in this one. Nweston8 (talk) 14:15, August 5, 2017 (UTC) Honestly I was tempted to vote the other way but the winning factor in this tag team battle is Axe-Awe who is the Superior robot of the three and has the most powerful weapons.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:22, August 5, 2017 (UTC) Morg will be rolled against a wall, Kat 3 will be annihilated by Granny axed by Axe-Awe. Jimlaad43(talk) 16:07, August 5, 2017 (UTC) Axe-Awe has the flipper to roll Mini Morg over constantly, and an axe which is more reliable than Kat 3's, if less accurate. Can this version of Kat 3 even self-right, I wonder? Granny's Revenge, on the other hand.... VulcansHowl 17:34, August 5, 2017 (UTC) Again, Axe Awe can easily beat both opponents on its own, which is just as well considering Granny's Revenge may well have not been fit to fight here after the first fight! Hogwild94 (talk) 17:57, August 5, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Axe-Awe & Granny's Revenge (7-0)

Heat Final

Kronic 2 & King B Powerworks vs Trouble 'n' Strife & Wild Thing

Kronic 2 & King B Powerworks	Trouble 'n' Strife & Wild Thing
Votes for Kronic 2 & King B Powerworks	Votes for Trouble 'n' Strife & Wild Thing Trouble 'n' Strife may have its issues, but its still more competent than Kronic 2, and Wild Thing can more than compensate for any assistance King B Powerworks can offer. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 14:05, August 5, 2017 (UTC) A good set of robots for this competitive-looking fight, with damage likely being a big swinging factor in favour of this pair - whether that be in a Judges' decision or being able to knockout King B P/Kronic 2. Nweston8 (talk) 14:17, August 5, 2017 (UTC) King B's high ground clearance, the fact it can be easily pushed and its weak armour shows it'll be no match for the other pair. Kronic 2 may get one or two flips in on Wild Thing, but it won't be enough. Raz3r(talk) 14:23, August 5, 2017 (UTC) Yeah...Can't really think of much to say other than, easy win here.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:23, August 5, 2017 (UTC) It's Wild Thing... Jimlaad43(talk) 16:08, August 5, 2017 (UTC) Kronic 2 is going to sustain a lot of damage while trying to flip Trouble 'n' Strife, while Wild Thing's tenacity and reliability are already well-established. King B Powerworks might be able to ram Wild Thing and damage the tyres as it tries to turn the tables round, but its own wheels could get damaged or ripped off easily if they come into contact with Trouble 'n' Strife's spinner, so.... VulcansHowl 17:34, August 5, 2017 (UTC) Both Wild Thing and Trouble 'n' Strife could beat King B and Kronic 1-on-1, so they should have little trouble dispatching them as a pair. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:58, August 5, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Wild Thing & Trouble 'n' Strife (7-0)

Heat C

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Stinger & Hippobotamus vs Guzunderbot & General Carnage 2

Stinger & Hippobotamus	Guzunderbot & General Carnage 2
Votes for Stinger & Hippobotamus Stinger isn't losing this. Guz and GC aren't powerful enough to properly control Stinger, who can use the mace to knock the opponents senseless. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:38, August 7, 2017 (UTC) I do agree with Toon Ganondorf that Stinger is not suited to group battles particularly well. However, General Carnage 2 is no Thermidor 2, as its flipper just does not open up as far as the lobster's does, and seems more exposed to attacks. Even if what happened in real-life does not apply here, Stinger should still dominate the flipper. As for the remaining two, Guzunderbot is slightly underrated in my opinion, and should be able to push and possibly topple Hippobotamus. However, a wedge is not really enough to defeat a slippery robot like Stinger, so even if it survives to a Judges' decision, it will fail to win. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:29, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Stinger can easily carry Hippobotamus. Guzunderbot has absolutely no way to fight back, and we saw what happened when General Carnage fought Stinger. The lack of faith is disappointing....CrashBash (talk) 12:58, August 7, 2017 (UTC) I understand the worry for Stinger, but Hippobotamus is hardly an absolute instant write-off, especially without it starting off against General Carnage. I can easily see General Carnage - with a more capable weapon than Guzunderbot - going after Stinger from the off, while Hippobotamus and Guzunderbot just jostle it out. Even if Hippobotamus is turned over at some point, Guzunderbot is as ineffective as anything, and will probably be knocked out by Stinger soon after. Then, General Carnage just isn't consistently aggressive or durable enough to hold off Stinger for the duration of the fight. Nweston8 (talk) 13:27, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Guzunderbot might have two wedges and decent manoeuvrability, but honestly I can't see what it can do against Stinger's mace and aggressive demeanour. General Carnage will no doubt try to help out, but its previous one-on-one against Stinger compels me to believe that it will be KO'd again at some stage. Lastly, it's easy for me to mock Fighting Torque Hippobotamus, but since it survived to a Judges' decision and proved capable of pushing Stinger around at one point, I could see it ramming into Guzunderbot/General Carnage, racking up extra aggression points even as its sandpit armour falls apart. Could we perhaps see Fighting Torquamus' saw being put to good use here? VulcansHowl 16:11, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Stinger can easily beat both opponents on its own, with Hippobotamus getting through without having to lift a finger. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:27, August 7, 2017 (UTC) I think Hippobotomus might be able to survive a flip or two from General Carnage, it's very big, and it took GC2 a while to even get Guzunderbot over. Stinger can eventually secure a KO blow on one of the two robots, and that will have earned more points. TOAST 22:49, August 7, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Guzunderbot & General Carnage 2 Man I wish General Carnage 2 was starting against Hippobotamus, this would be so much easier. Stinger absolutely cannot fight group battles where its a legitimate target - being the fifth seed it has a target on its back that it never had before. General Carnage 2 conked out against Stinger, but here with Guzunderbot to distract and absorb half those blows, Stinger isn't going to do what it needs to recover from Hippobotamus' inevitable demise. It might even come down to Guzunderbot v Stinger, with both partners out cold. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 08:54, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Can name on one finger the number of group battles Stinger won after it reached the Grand Final of Series 4. Stinger isn't Hypno-Disc or Disc-O-Inferno, it can't beat two robots into submission by itself. GutripperSpeak 11:55, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Stinger was never really too well in group battles, especially against flippers like General Carnage. Sure Stinger beat GC one-on-one, but knowing the chaotic nature of Tag Team Terror I feel Guzunderbot will try to help its teammate. Hippobotamus will be immobilised quickly. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 12:42, August 7, 2017 (UTC) I really want Stinger to win but alas its partner will hinder the team's performance and the opposition are what Stinger hates, wedges and flippers.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:49, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Hippobotamous are going to have to come out eventually because I don't see Stinger imobilising Guzunderbot. General Carnage 2 will only receive half the blows it did in its fight with Stinger, and can flip Stinger while Guzunderbot pressurises. Judges' decision win. Raz3r(talk) 13:32, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Stinger & Hippobotamus (7-5)

Warhog & Napalm 2 vs Splinter & V.I.P.E.R. 01

Warhog & Napalm 2	Splinter & V.I.P.E.R. 01
Votes for Warhog & Napalm 2	Votes for Splinter & V.I.P.E.R. 01 Yuck, what a terrible fight this would be. Splinter to nudge Warhog into the arena wall for an instant KO and Napalm 2 to have no prospects of recovery. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 08:54, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Even if Warhog was spinning, Splinter could stop it. It was designed to try and survive Hypno-Disc after all. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:40, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Warhog will probably not break down in one single blow, as in theory only the full-body spinner was not working properly. However, I am taking a "realism rules" approach here, whereby not only will V.I.P.E.R. 01 be geared down, but also Warhog will not be spinning. Considering these aspects, Splinter shall have no trouble grabbing the spinner, and pitting it. Meanwhile, Napalm 2 will likely cause some decent damage and aggression against V.I.P.E.R. 01, but Splinter will sweep in and bash it, in a similar fashion to how Steg-O-Saw-Us did in Series 3. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:29, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Well whoever wins the battle above is winning the heat I fear, as both teams here are weak. But Splinter is at least strong enough to do well on its own. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 12:43, August 7, 2017 (UTC) HA! Nothing spectacular here...Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:48, August 7, 2017 (UTC) ...as is with Splinter. Everyone's acting like it's a terrible robot. You build a robot that can tank Hypno-Disc and Pussycat, ultimately reaching third in an annihilator whilst consistently attacking throughout, then we'll talk. The fact remains, this version tanked Hypno-Disc, so it can tank Warhog, who I'll assume IS spinning, but obviously judging by its Series 6 performance had very little potency over heavily armoured fronts. As for Napalm, well, that's obvious...but even so, I fear you guys are being too harsh on Napalm. By this point, they were clearly entering to have fun and a laugh, not to win. CrashBash (talk) 13:01, August 7, 2017 (UTC) As someone who is studying A-Level Sociology, I feel you may want to change your sweeping statement on Splinter. After all, I find it a very decent robot, just not against great flippers such as Bigger Brother. As for Napalm 2, it is slightly underrated (gasp!) too, since it did cause a dent against Warhog. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:26, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Who is calling Splinter bad? The fight will be bad, but no comments I can read call Splinter bad. Contrarily, if Stinger and Hippo win Splinter becomes my favourite to win the heat. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 05:39, August 8, 2017 (UTC) Splinter can win this on its own. V.I.P.E.R. can win this on its own. Splinter Series 4 can win this on its own... Nweston8 (talk) 13:28, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Splinter was always a decent robot; this version just didn't enjoy facing good flippers. It isn't facing one here, and could probably take on Warhog and immobilise them after a few axe blows and slams. With Napalm 2 left against two opponents teaming up against ten, there's only going to be one result. Raz3r(talk) 13:37, August 7, 2017 (UTC) This version of Splinter not only held up to Hypno-Disc, but also proved dominant when the latter couldn't get its disc up to speed in the first Extreme 1 Annihilator. Even without reliability issues, Warhog didn't seem like it could cause lasting damage in its post-Series 4 appearances, and like others, I can see it being dispatched very quickly. Regardless of the effects of V.I.P.E.R. 01's gearing issues, Napalm will not be able to make up for Warhog's demise, I feel, especially since Splinter can push, grab and axe it with ease, all while scoring vital points for it and V.I.P.E.R. to win via the Judges. VulcansHowl 16:11, August 7, 2017 (UTC) This is guaranteed to be a MINUS FIVE STAR match but at least Splinter will be the most mobile out of all of them and should make short work of Napalm while WarHog will just waddle around. --Headbanger14/The Hardcore Kid 16:24, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Yeah, a working Warhog would still struggle to beat Splinter. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:28, August 7, 2017 (UTC) Splinter will eliminate the GREEN BACKGROUNDS TOAST 23:03, August 7, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Splinter & VIPER 01 (12-0)

Playoff

Guzunderbot & General Carnage 2 vs Napalm 2 & Warhog

Guzunderbot & General Carnage 2	Warhog & Napalm 2
Votes for Guzunderbot & General Carnage 2 A leaf caught in a gentle breeze could probably defeat Napalm 2 and Warhog. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:44, August 9, 2017 (UTC) Guzunderbot should win the pushing match with Napslm, and General Carnage 2 can finish them off with a flip. While I can see Warhog taking out Guzunderbot I can't say the same for it against GC2, who will flip the spinner over. Raz3r(talk) 15:27, August 9, 2017 (UTC) I just can't see Napalm surviving a flip from General Carnage 2 when that happens Warhog will be all alone...Warhog just can't be alone in battle because it will die ether by itself or...well by itself.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 17:12, August 9, 2017 (UTC) General Carnage 2 may not always flip things cleanly, but eventually it will flip Napalm. Not that Napalm will be its first concern anyway, because Warhog will be targeted straight away and will be an easy topple. Once that's sorted, Napalm has no chance at carrying Warpalm to a victory. Nweston8 (talk) 15:52, August 10, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Napalm 2 & Warhog I now suspect that Warhog's team will be able to fix the full-body spinner, so it will be more competitive than in the other battle in my opinion. Anyhow, although I suspect that Guzunderbot should be able to bash Napalm 2 about, I struggle to see it tanking too many blows from Warhog's spinner. Then, there is General Carange 2; sure, it could flip both Napalm 2 and Warhog (who both have no self-righting mechanisms), but whilst it will probably succeed against Napalm 2, I feel it would fail against Warhog. Not only are there some parts that Warhog could easily break off the machine, judging from the Stinger battle, I do not see General Carnage 2 being able to survive too many blows internally. I see Warhog's spinner causing too much damage overall, causing a second knockout. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:54, August 9, 2017 (UTC) Consider exactly what Guzunderbot is for a second. It's a small, quite light, wedge with a lifter that can't do squat and a mace-type thing that can't even do that. Yes, it might outwedge Napalm, but can it push? Can it even show decent aggression towards Napalm who will at least be swinging away with its mandibles? Probably not. Also, let me point something out here...Napalm is not only significantly heavier than Guzunderbot, it's also marginally faster. But lets look at the other two for a second. They clearly have the better weapons. In theory, General Carnage has by far the best weapon. In practise, it is also the least reliable. Consider how little Stinger had to do to knock it out. Warhog may not have been great come the weight increase, but it seemed to have most of the reliability issues that the S4 version had sorted out, so who can say? It might be able to knock loose General Carnage's link again. If it dies upon impact, that just leaves Napalm and Guzunderbot again, and I've already stated how that battle goes down. Long story short, Guzunderbot loses to Napalm and fails to Warhog. General Carnage beats Napalm, but a clash with Warhog is 50-50 as to who or what gives way first. With all this in mind, I have to give it to Napalm and Warhog. CrashBash (talk) 15:43, August 9, 2017 (UTC) Actually, something is bugging me here. You remember how General Carnage found it quite difficult to flip over Guzunderbot and needed a few tries to overturn it? You remember how Gemini, who has a far more powerful flipper, was only able to get Napalm onto its side, from which it was able to recover? Considering Napalm is larger and heavier than Guzunderbot, suddenly I have my doubts on if General Carnage can actually overturn it. Just puts more weight towards Napalm and Warhog. CrashBash (talk) 17:14, August 9, 2017 (UTC) Napalm showed that against bad or mediocre robots it could win. Guz is bad, GC2 is mediocre. You see where this is going... Jimlaad43(talk) 15:54, August 9, 2017 (UTC) General Carnage can easily beat Napalm, Guzunderbot may struggle. Warhog, however, can easily beat both opponents, provided they remember to plug it in this time! Hogwild94 (talk) 17:10, August 9, 2017 (UTC) I've been convinced. Warhog should have its weapon plugged in, and that will make it too hard for GC2 and Guzunderbot, a decidedly average team, to approach. TOAST 01:52, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Warhog & Napalm 2 (5-4)

Heat Final

Stinger & Hippobotamus vs V.I.P.E.R. 01 & Splinter

Stinger & Hippobotamus	V.I.P.E.R. 01 & Splinter
Votes for Stinger & Hippobotamus Eh, I still have faith in Stinger to fend off both opponents with its usual sit and spin tactics and carry its teammate through once again. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:11, August 9, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for V.I.P.E.R. 01 & Splinter Splinter is the perfect robot to counter Stinger and keep it from getting the aggression points on VIPER that it needs to win. VIPER may be starting out first, but it'll tag Splinter after one unsuccessful attack, because the teams are smart enough to realise that. With Stinger being bossed around, it can either be tagged out for a literal plastic sandpit or there can be a huge free for all where VIPER is more than a match for the Hippo. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:44, August 9, 2017 (UTC) Now, I suspect that V.I.P.E.R. 01's team will gear up the robot, making it relatively quick. It should be able to tank the blows from Stinger, whilst also troubling the axlebot with charges, before tagging in Splinter. As Toon Ganondorf notes, Splinter, especially in its Series 5 form, was perfect for grabbing robots that would otherwise be too slippery. Indeed, that axe will especially be useful for penetrating Stinger's tyres, allowing Splinter to grab and pit it. Meanwhile, Hippobotamus shall be easily dominated by both of its opponents. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:54, August 9, 2017 (UTC) Stinger will get the better of VIPER with some aggressive attacks, but I don't see a KO. Consequently, Splinter will be brought into the fray, and are the perfect machine to take on Stinger with its dual weaponry, axing the wheels and dragging them to the pit. Hippobotamous simply won't be able to harm anything. Raz3r(talk) 15:32, August 9, 2017 (UTC) Splinter > Stinger. Jimlaad43(talk) 15:55, August 9, 2017 (UTC) Yeah...Stinger will survive the whole battle but it's partner won't.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 17:14, August 9, 2017 (UTC) Stinger will connect with some good hits, but Splinter will still control the pace of the fight, while V.I.P.E.R. will come in with a couple of decent drives on Hippo. Nweston8 (talk) Think how well Behemoth dealt with Stinger, then sub in a robot which was designed to do exactly what Behemoth did. TOAST 01:54, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Splinter & VIPER 01 (7-1)

Heat D

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Wolverine & Wheely Big Cheese vs Evolution & Sabretooth

Wolverine & Wheely Big Cheese	Evolution & Sabretooth
Votes for Wolverine & Wheely Big Cheese This is a far cry from the Heat of Death. WBC and Wolverine have it sewn up. I am much more interested in who is going to be clamouring for the dud final... Toon Ganondorf (t c) 07:50, August 11, 2017 (UTC) We're in the heats of Series 5, the only time Wheely Big Cheese was truly top tier. Evolution and Sabretooth haven't got a hope in hell of staying in the arena. That said, Wolverine could still win this battle on its own too. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:18, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Unpopular opinion: Wolverine and Wheely Big Cheese are some of the favourites to win this tournament. The reason why? Because their strengths counter each others' weaknesses. Wheely Big Cheese is perfect for powerful attacks, whilst Wolverine is agile and should be able to deal with small and well-controlled robots that Wheely Big Cheese would otherwise struggle with. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:20, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Poor old Evolution won't have anything to challenge Wolverine's lifts and shoves. Once Wheely Big Cheese enters the fray, it'll only be a matter of time before it and Sabretooth are chucked over the fence. VulcansHowl 09:33, August 11, 2017 (UTC) I recently rewatched the Sabretooth and Evolution battle and I must say their weapon wasn't all that bad and if I'm honest Evolution should have lost that. However, here neither robot has a chance against two lifter/flippers.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:24, August 11, 2017 (UTC) I agree with SpaceManiac; this pair looks like the strongest combo we've seen yet, and they've got the easiest heat by a mile. The only question left is who wins the play-off final. Wolverine were really unfortunate to face WBC in round one; it was a machine worthy of reaching a heat final in the majority of the heats. Raz3r(talk) 14:18, August 11, 2017 (UTC) A pair of (reasonably) competent flippers vs two highly unreliable newbies. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:09, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Even the newest Sabretooth would have a tough time with this. TOAST 21:02, August 11, 2017 (UTC) As easy as it gets. Nweston8 (talk) 22:16, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Yup. We've found the heat winners, and maybe even the tournament winners tbh. CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 22:34, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Heat winners, yes, but tournament winners? Nah, my money's on someone else... --Demon Of Tomorrow 08:42, August 12, 2017 (UTC) We may have found the dud tournament winners here too. Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:36, August 12, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Evolution & Sabretooth
Winners: Wolverine & Wheely Big Cheese (12-0)

Rohog & Sir Chromalot vs Clawed Hopper & Twister

Rohog & Sir Chromalot	Clawed Hopper & Twister
Votes for Rohog & Sir Chromalot Oh dear, this is not a great match, is it? Anyhow, Twister is seriously unreliable, and probably a flip from Sir Chromalot will KO it. At least Rohog will be able to cause some decent aggression to Clawed Hopper I suppose, although its reliability is also quite poor, so maybe it too will break down eventually. This leaves the walker and Sir Chromalot, and I see Sir Chromalot using its decent lifter to great effect, as although it will not topple its opponent, it will be scoring heavily on aggression. A Judges' decision victory for Sir Chromalot in my opinion. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 08:20, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Clawed Hopper is barely functional (it can't do anything) and Twister is Twister. Rohog may be bad, but Sir Chromalot is not, and it will win the battle easily, by being active. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:21, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Clawed Hopper will try and fight and could kill of Rohog but just like Rohog, its partner, Twister will die almost immediately. That leaves both Sir Chromalot and Clawed Hopper to fight and...yeah walkerbots just can't fight, no matter what their movability is worse than Sir C, their weapon isn't effective unlike Sir and that rollover design probably won't work.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:29, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Sir Chromalot is the one machine that can actually do something, even if te flipper isn't the most powerful. Clawed Hopper is far too slow and the other two will quickly break down. Raz3r(talk) 15:28, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Rohog and Twister will probably break down early again, but surely Sir Chromalot can't lose to a non-Anarchy walker. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:10, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Sir Chromalot would struggle to use its flipper on Clawed Hopper, but the axe, no trouble. TOAST 21:03, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Clawed Hopper is a good stayer, but it just won't get points on the board unless Sir Chromalot essentially stays still. Sir Chromalot will nag away and do enough to win on points. Nweston8 (talk) 22:17, August 11, 2017 (UTC) Twister died to that walker, which in itself is weak. Rohog maybe pretty bad but Sir Chromalot is at least competent CaliforniaKingsnake (talk) 22:34, August 11, 2017 (UTC) I'm fairly certain Chromalot's the only one that can do anything here. --Demon Of Tomorrow 08:42, August 12, 2017 (UTC) Rohog's reliability may be pitiful, but if it slams into Clawed Hopper before giving up the ghost, then it will give itself and Sir Chromalot plenty of points before the latter helps out. Twister's lack of testing, meanwhile, will see it conked out in 15 seconds as in real life - with that in mind, Sir Chromalot will be free to pressure Clawed Hopper using the arm/axe, and win the Judges' decision on aggression. VulcansHowl 09:38, August 12, 2017 (UTC) Can't really judge either Rohog or Twister here because of how quickly they both died, but Sir Chromalot has to have the beating of Clawed Hopper- maybe it won't flip it over, but it'll nag away and be aggressive at least. Combatwombat555 (talk) 11:42, August 12, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Clawed Hopper & Twister ...out of these two. Clawed Hopper and Sir Chromalot are the much better of the two, bu that says little. I think Clawed Hopper is underrated as a pushing bot, and Sir Chromalot certainly can't get it over alone. Rohog and Twister are both write offs and both as unreliable as each other, but I give Clawed a higher chance than Chromey. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 07:50, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Rohog & Sir Chromalot (1-11)

Playoff

Clawed Hopper & Twister & Sabretooth & Evolution

Clawed Hopper & Twister	Sabretooth & Evolution
Votes for Clawed Hopper & Twister	Votes for Sabretooth & Evolution I really want to keep giving votes to my sweet Clawed Hopper, but as much as Evolution is one of the most impractical and silly weapons I've ever seen, I can't deny that Twister is going to stick a knife in Clawed Hopper's mechanical Achilles' tendon. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:02, August 13, 2017 (UTC) To be fair, I actually believe the reason why Evolution has such a strange weapon is because the robot was not meant to be a serious entry. With such a weapon, it really does look like a tank! SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:15, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Sabretooth's weapon wasn't great but could cause damage and Evolution has that turret which'll be a pain for Clawed Hopper's movements if it gets entangled with the rollover bars.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:08, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Sabretooth's spinner did at least cause some damage, which I believe will be enough to counter any aggression from Clawed Hopper. Meanwhile, a few slams from Evolution should knockout Twister. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:15, August 13, 2017 (UTC) As long as the opposition can move, they will beat Clawed Hopper. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:25, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Being aggressive will be enough to give you more points than Clawed Hopper and Twister. Sabretooth and Evolution can at least charge and cause minor damage. Clawed Hopper and Sabretooth will, somehow, have no reply, and while I can see Clawed Hopper surviving to the Judges' Decision, Twister will not. Raz3r(talk) 13:02, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Clawed Hopper's sluggishness will leave it especially vulnerable to Sabretooth's blades, which should cause some minor - yet crucial - damage. Evolution's turret could earn it some useful aggression points in spite of its ineffectiveness, while Twister will be gone in 15 seconds - again - as soon as it tries to get involved. VulcansHowl 16:03, August 13, 2017 (UTC) With Sabretooth attacking metal rather than MDF, maybe the wagglers won't jam, while Evolution's turret will certainly display aggression against the tall Clawed Hopper. TOAST 04:51, August 14, 2017 (UTC) Not a lot to add really, two of the robots in the battle will be reasonably aggressive, one will try to attempt something resembling aggression but will be hampered by its 'speed', and one will likely die. Combatwombat555 (talk) 10:41, August 14, 2017 (UTC) Twister is a write-off, and although Clawed probably won't be immobilised, it won't cause damage either, and is an easy target to attack. Nweston8 (talk) 12:56, August 14, 2017 (UTC) These two are both very meh robots, but they can at least try to attack aggressively, and move for more than a few seconds (at a time). Hogwild94 (talk) 17:27, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
Winner: Sabretooth & Evolution (10-0)

Heat Final

Wheely Big Cheese & Wolverine vs Rohog & Sir Chromalot

Wheely Big Cheese & Wolverine	Rohog & Sir Chromalot
Votes for Wheely Big Cheese & Wolverine Sir Chromalot's performance in the heat final will see it reach heights it has never before seen; in the tournament, and also in the sky. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:02, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Yeah... However I will say this, I don't believe that Wheely Big Cheese and Wolverine will be winners though, mainly because I can already think of two teams that will thrash them.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 09:10, August 13, 2017 (UTC) I will say that at least three heats coming up feature no less than three excellent teams. Getting through to the Semi-Finals is much more important in this tournament than usual. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:12, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Diotoir, I would love to know which two teams you believe could beat them. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:15, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Fluffy/101, Behemoth/Supernova, 13 Black/Corkscrew to name a few. There are more 1-sided teams that are better. Jimlaad43(talk) 09:27, August 13, 2017 (UTC) I dunno about 13 Black/Corkscrew, seeing as neither machine were as powerful this series, nor were their weapons as reliable, nor can either machine self-right. Raz3r(talk) 13:08, August 13, 2017 (UTC) I would argue that Wheely Big Cheese could simply tag in Wolverine, and allow it to topple the other team. In fairness, I would even argue that Wheely Big Cheese probably would not need to lift a finger in these two battles, since Wolverine could deal with all four opponents faced thus far alone. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:15, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Has Rohog ever won a battle in the RWW arena before? Jimlaad43(talk) 09:27, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Well, it did win a fight in the Ultimate Free Pass Tournament against Alien, but I'm not sure if that counts... Raz3r(talk) 13:08, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Either of these robots could win this on their own. Sir Chromlaot isn't self-righting and Rohog isn't surviving in any capacity. Raz3r(talk) 13:08, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Wow, its almost like the team with a great big bloody launchpad and highly overrated-but okay pusher up against a load of weak as all hell robots was guaranteed victory or something. --Demon Of Tomorrow 14:47, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Rohog will be left for dead seconds after Wolverine begins its onslaught; Sir Chromalot's size will leave it susceptible to being pushed around and perhaps even toppled by Wolverine's lifter. And that's before Wheely Big Cheese comes out of its corner.... VulcansHowl 16:03, August 13, 2017 (UTC) Flip Rohog and you have a winner. But I don't think WBC will leave it at that. TOAST 05:18, August 14, 2017 (UTC) Whacking great flipper against two robots that can't self-right. Hmm... Combatwombat555 (talk) 10:47, August 14, 2017 (UTC) Easy, as expected. Nweston8 (talk) 12:56, August 14, 2017 (UTC) Nope. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:27, August 14, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Rohog & Sir Chromalot
Winner: Wheely Big Cheese & Wolverine (11-0)

Heat E

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Big Nipper & Razer vs Obsidian & S.M.I.D.S.Y.

Big Nipper & Razer	Obsidian & S.M.I.D.S.Y.
Votes for Big Nipper & Razer SMIDSY's reign of being one of the best B-tier robots continues, as it is doomed against Razer. To be fair, though, this battle will be over just in the scuffle between Big Nipper and Obsidian. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:20, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Funnily enough this was one of the teams I can see doing really well and one of the teams I can see beating Wheely Big cheese and Wolverine. Big Nipper may not be as impressive as it is now but it could still cause great damage and had some pushing power while Razer is...well Razer. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:25, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Big Nipper should be able to tip Obsidian over, setting up a very interesting tussle between it and SMIDSY. That'll only last as long as it takes for Razer to decide to get involved. Combatwombat555 (talk) 10:27, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Big Nipper will easily outclass Obsidian but may struggle against S.M.I.D.S.Y. in this form. However, that'll be when Razer comes in for the kill, and then it's all over. Raz3r(talk) 10:34, August 15, 2017 (UTC) To be honest, the Series 5 of Big Nipper was not the greatest machine, especially when compared to later designs. Apart from damaging Razer's srimech, it really did not do much to impress me. Still, with Razer on its side, it is one of the favourites to win. Anyhow, Big Nipper should still be able to attack and immoblise Obsidian without much effort, but will be outclassed by S.M.I.D.S.Y. However, the latter will be dominated by the Series 5 champions. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:43, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Even with its fragile armour and largely ineffective weapon in comparison to its later incarnations, the Series 5 Big Nipper still proved tenacious and reasonably nimble, and will make sure to ram and pressure Obsidian until Razer comes out to assist. Predictably, Obsidian will become immobilised and S.M.I.D.S.Y.'s tyres will be punctured the moment it tries to confront Razer. VulcansHowl 11:02, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Razer was always going to be strong here because it has backup from a team mate that isn't trash. This will be an easy win.--Jimlaad43(talk) 11:35, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Razer is literally going to go right the way through S.M.I.D.S.Y.. Nweston8 (talk) 12:40, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Big Nipper and Obsidian fight, then Big Nipper tags Razer, and Razer takes out both opponents. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 14:33, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Sadly, S.M.I.D.S.Y.'s disc won't get a chance to nick Razer's wheels, as it'll already be dead. As will its opponent. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:27, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Obsmidsian to get absolutely bodied. TOAST 17:40, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Does Razer even need Big Nipper for this? --Demon Of Tomorrow 20:57, August 15, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Obsidian & S.M.I.D.S.Y.
Winners: Razer & Big Nipper (12-0)

Supernova & Behemoth vs T-Bone & 8645T

Supernova & Behemoth	T-Bone & 8645T
Votes for Supernova & Behemoth No contest here, though a Series 9 era fight between Supernova, Behemoth, Ripper and Beast would be a corker. Bring on the heat final I say! Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:20, August 15, 2017 (UTC) And once again another team I can see doing really well and can defeat Wheely Big Cheese and Wolverine (in some ways it's a shame that we'll lose ether this or Razer & Big Nipper team). As for their opponents, both machines are dead reguardless of who attacks.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:27, August 15, 2017 (UTC) No contest. T-Bone's wheels look quite vulnerable to a Supernova, and 8645T can't take either opponent alone. Combatwombat555 (talk) 10:28, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Yeah, T-Bone is exposed to Supernova's disc, and 8645T can't self-right against Behemoth. Definite KO on the horizon. Raz3r(talk) 10:36, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Question: how many differences are there between the Series 5 and 6 versions of Supernova? If they are virtually the same, by golly this team should be considered one of the favourites too. Anyhow, Supernova should be able to destroy T-Bone's wheels, and whilst 8645T will prove troubling at first, Behemoth should topple it. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:43, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Supernova has a much more reliable disc than T-Bone, and a greater chance of slashing the latter's tyres than vice-versa. 8645T is also at risk of having its wheels and sides damaged, and its lack of srimech will result in an easy KO for Behemoth. VulcansHowl 11:02, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Behemoth truly was the worst Seed for Supernova to be drawn against. This team made up of sheer push and massive damage output will make the actual champion's progression almost impossible in the next round.--Jimlaad43(talk) 11:37, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Perfect opponents for both Supernova and Behemoth. Nweston8 (talk) 12:40, August 15, 2017 (UTC) A robot with a disc that isn't working and exposed wheels, teamed up with a robot that can't self right, against a powerful spinner with wheel guards and a powerful lifter? I wonder who's going to win ... Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 14:33, August 15, 2017 (UTC) These two must be one of THE hot favourites for this tournament! Hogwild94 (talk) 17:28, August 15, 2017 (UTC) A pity for T-Bone and 8645T because out of all the teams in this tournament, that pairing would've been the most likely to form a real team together. If Behemoth and Supernova teamed up, the pair would be absolutely overpowered and that definitely applies to Series 5. TOAST 17:43, August 15, 2017 (UTC) Does Behemoth even nee-damnit i made the joke already. I wouldn't be surprised if T Bone ended up OotA and Beast flipped and left for dead. And that's not even getting into Supernova... --Demon Of Tomorrow 20:59, August 15, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for T-Bone & 8645T
Winners: Supernova & Behemoth (12-0)

Play-off

Obsidian & S.M.I.D.S.Y. vs 8645T & T-Bone

Obsidian & S.M.I.D.S.Y.	8645T & T-Bone
Votes for Obsidian & S.M.I.D.S.Y. SMIDSY can carry Obsidian through this one if it has to. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 22:10, August 16, 2017 (UTC) Obsidian will struggle at first, but as soon as it tags S.M.I.D.S.Y., it should roll over both opponents easily. Hogwild94 (talk) 22:11, August 16, 2017 (UTC) S.M.I.D.S.Y. will do the job. Nweston8 (talk) 22:30, August 16, 2017 (UTC) After seeing some of the arguments on the next battle, I may hold off for now as my original opinion has changed slighty. As for this battle, it's pretty easy for this team to despose of Beast and T-Bone.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 06:07, August 17, 2017 (UTC) SMIDSY is too well armoured to be damaged by T-Bone, so this should be easy.--Jimlaad43(talk) 06:54, August 17, 2017 (UTC) Beast will take down Obsidian, but SMIDSY will fight back and tip them over in reply. The head-to-head between SMIDSY and T-Bone will be interesting, and the result really depends on how long it takes for the two previous KOs to occur. For me, T-Bone's disc stopped far too easily, and SMIDSY can win the Judges' Decision for their team based on aggression. Raz3r(talk) 09:03, August 17, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for 8645T & T-Bone If 8645T and Obsidian are the first robots out of the gates, I actualy think Beast will have time to inflict a killer flip on a robot which clearly can't self-right. We know that S.M.I.D.S.Y. can KO 8645T, but it will have to do so as a comeback, while also dealing with T-Bone, which realistically is going to survive for the whole match. Both of these robots are newcomers, but as personal friends, I trust Findlay and Lear to have a good enough synergy to narrowly beat S.M.I.D.S.Y. TOAST 01:14, August 17, 2017 (UTC) You know, why not. Obsidian is likely to be flipped over by 8645T within a couple of seconds in my opinion, forcing S.M.I.D.S.Y. to come to its rescue. Now, S.M.I.D.S.Y. could probably beat both robots in a one-on-one encounter. However, as we have seen in the Tag Team Terrors, S.M.I.D.S.Y. has struggled when it has been ganged up on, and as ToastUltimatum has mentioned above, Findlay and Lear should be competent enough to make their robots aggressive enough to prevent S.M.I.D.S.Y. from pitting them. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:03, August 17, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Obsidian & S.M.I.D.S.Y. (6-2)

Heat Final

Supernova & Behemoth vs Razer & Big Nipper

Supernova & Behemoth	Razer & Big Nipper
Votes for Supernova & Behemoth Supernova's disc just right for snagging Razer's wheel and cutting it out. With Razer dead, Big Nipper is easy pickings. Hogwild94 (talk) 22:11, August 16, 2017 (UTC) Razer will be tentative at first dealing with Supernova one vs. one, and you can almost guarantee Behemoth will be eagerly ready to join the battle the second Razer attempts to trouble Supernova. In the Annihilator, Razer did really well to keep self-righting under pressure, but all of the robots that targeted it had little chance at causing damage to Razer once it was in a vulnerable position. It was mostly trying to delay Razer's self-righting by flipping it again, or pinning it down. Razer may have dealt with Behemoth before, but because it has to target Behemoth's sides to actually trouble it, Razer has to use large areas of the arena to manoeuvre into position, so it'll likely get hit by Supernova when trying to get into space to attack Behemoth, or will get turned over by Behemoth itself if it gets in too tight. This version of Big Nipper is a decent machine, but is only capable of so much, and with Razer up against two machines that'll be both hard to dominate and with a weapon which Razer will struggle against if it gets exposed in this type of environment, then I can only back Heat H's pair for the win. Nweston8 (talk) 22:29, August 16, 2017 (UTC) Honestly I think Supernova is right up there in the top five when it comes to robots that could beat Razer in the original era. Supernova always had the unique property of rebounding away upon a hit, which did damage themselves, but against Razer it will be crucial in escaping before they can get crushed. If Razer were to bite, then there would be serious damage, but Supernova can inflict similar levels of pain to Big Nipper. Behemoth always lasts for the full five minutes, and a lot of people forget how close their encounter with Razer was in Extreme. In all three times Behemoth challenged Razer, it led the first half before eventually losing it at the end, but by starting second, can Behemoth dominate a Razer which has already been wounded by Supernova? I think so. TOAST 01:11, August 17, 2017 (UTC) Rules will state that Razer has to tag out at some point and that's when the battle will turn as Supernova could tear BN apart, or Behemoth could bully them into the pit. One mistimed charge by Razer on Supernova, and its all over for the team.--Jimlaad43(talk) 06:57, August 17, 2017 (UTC) I agree with CrashBash that Razer could beat Supernova; heck, I think I used that logic against the Series 9 version. However, let us not forget that Behemoth is also in this battle too, and if one was to look at both Razer-Behemoth battles, it does show that Razer has struggled against it before. Now, at the start of the battle, Razer may control procedures, but Behemoth and Big Nipper will come in, once again breaking the guidelines (not really rules, are they?). This is crucial, because I can see Behemoth toppling Razer over with its scoop, allowing the still mobile Supernova the chance to wreak both Big Nipper (which is vulnerable to both opponents here and is not the Series 7 version), and damage Razer's wings. With Big Nipper out of the picture, Razer is in trouble, because if it targets Supernova, Behemoth can freely topple it, but if it attacks Behemoth, Supernova can wreak havoc on the wheels and armour. Therefore, with overwhelming odds, I see Razer either being knocked out internally, or lose the ability to self-right. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:03, August 17, 2017 (UTC) If Supernova didn't bounce away so much then Razer might have a chance but as long as the spinner faces Razer that's not likely. Behemoth came close to beating Razer before on three separate occasions with its careful lifts of the scoop, and with the help of Supernova hitting the exposed Razer while they're on their side, I can see it happening. Here's exactly what I see happening: Behemoth turns over Razer then focuses on Big Nipper, flipping the invertible machine around, while Supernova comes in to attack Razer. Razer will eventually self-right, so then Behemoth and Supernova can switch opponents; Razer might damage Behemoth a bit but Behemoth will get another chance to lift them over, and Supernova will cause more damage to Big Nipper than Razer will to Behemoth. Big Nipper isn't as well controlled or as strong as in later wars, and is the weakest machine here, so I cannot see them surviving. Raz3r(talk) 09:20, August 17, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Razer & Big Nipper Ill be pleased if this goes against me but my gut says Razer wins this one. First, Razer has been mobbed before (including Behemoth) in the Southern Annihilator and had no issues coming back. This Razer is even more reliable than that one. Secondly the fact that Supernova is starting out removes the hope that it can side attack Razer while it's battling Behemoth. Third, if Behemoths axe can immobilise Supernova at the internals, Razer certainly can. Big Nipper is there for holding Behemoth at bay. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 22:13, August 16, 2017 (UTC) For me, this entirely came down to which robots start out- if Behemoth started out with Razer, for example, Supernova could come in from behind and shear off the wheels- but this way round favours Razer/Big Nipper. Razer was an exceptionally nimble and well-controlled machine, Supernova (this one at least) was not, and Razer should be able to get a grip, get through the thin armour, and wreck the internals before Behemoth can rescue it, especially with Big Nipper running interference. Even if Behemoth does manage to get in there quickly enough and flip, Razer will still have a grip and proved perfectly capable of causing damage when inverted in the Southern Annihilator, and Supernova's still going to be receiving probably terminal damage. Then it's two on one, and whilst Behemoth can give Razer an excellent fight, it never beat it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 23:33, August 16, 2017 (UTC) OK, here's the thing. Yes, Supernova has a powerful weapon, but you know what one of Razer's major improvements for Series 5 was, aside from better reliability? A larger front scoop that was specifically designed to counter spinners...at least if we're to believe the Official Guide. If 13 Black couldn't beat Razer, then could Supernova really? Especially given how generally unreliable it was, and for Series 5 it was worse than usual. The weaklink here is Big Nipper, for sure, but if Razer can quickly take out its main threat, that easily shifts the battle in its favour. And if Supernova can't actually knock Razer out, then it's in trouble. Having an initial advantage over Razer was never enough...you HAD to go for the kill. I like to think that Kill-E-Crank-E knew this....CrashBash (talk) 05:22, August 17, 2017 (UTC) My original vote was for Supernova and Behemoth but after some thinking and reading I've been swayed, sure now it's unlikely that they will win but I'll vote nonetheless. As many have pointed out Razer has improved greatly since Series 4, and keeping its speed and front wedge against Supernova, allowing for the claw to come down and crush. Once crushed even if it's a slight nip Supernova's reliability will let them down and it's likely to stay dead. Then that leaves Behemoth, by this point all the robots are out, but Behemoth, no matter what anyone says, has and pretty much never can defeat Razer. Every battle they've had against each other Razer has won everytime, yes they struggled but here they have a partner to bully Behemoth as well.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:11, August 17, 2017 (UTC) This deserves to be close. I'm on board with the logic on this side. GutripperSpeak 22:43, August 18, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Supernova & Behemoth (6-5)

Heat F

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Storm Force & Chaos 2 vs The Alien & Velocirippa

Storm Force & Chaos 2	The Alien & Velocirippa
Votes for Storm Force & Chaos 2 Chaos 2 can easily do what Prizephita Mach 2 did, and Velocirippa will play out much the same way Mighty Mouse did against Chaos 2, Dantomkia and Thermidor 2. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:18, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Chaos 2 will actually be carrying this team, despite Storm Force being quite underrated. I struggle to see it surviving many blows internally from The Alien's hammer, thus forcing Chaos 2 to come out early. However, Chaos 2 should be able to flip The Alien a couple of times, enough to damage the latter's srimech. Meanwhile, even if Chaos 2's flipper breaks, we saw how it still dominated Mighty Mouse, so it can probably do the same to Velocirippa. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:40, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Another team that can defeat WBC + Wolverine and one of my favourites to win. Storm Force's got alright weapons and well Chaos 2 alone can kill these two off.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:14, August 19, 2017 (UTC) The Alien will come out on top against Storm Force, but as soon as Chaos 2 enters, it's all over.--Jimlaad43(talk) 12:16, August 19, 2017 (UTC) The Alien's attack range is obviously very narrow, and there's so much of the robot for Chaos 2 to get a good flip in. Velocirippa won't do anything of note. Nweston8 (talk) 12:39, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Storm Force will take a battering, but knows that Chaos 2 will throw The Alien around until the srimech breaks, and will send Velocirippa into extinction. VulcansHowl 17:21, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Storm Force might have done alright against Velocirippa, but against The Alien it'll die fast. However, Chaos 2 will definitely rescue them, flipping over The Alien, who struggled with their srimech, and then just toy with Veolcirippa. Raz3r(talk) 18:25, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Storm Force can hold The Alien off long enough that when it tags Chaos 2, the double champs can easily finish both opponents off. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:27, August 19, 2017 (UTC) I hereby dub this team "The Chaos Two", because that's the only robot needed. TOAST 04:40, August 20, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for The Alien & Velocirippa
Winners: Storm Force & Chaos 2 (9-0)

Black Widow & Hypno-Disc vs Hydra & Spawn Again

Black Widow & Hypno-Disc	Hydra & Spawn Again
Votes for Black Widow & Hypno-Disc This is the heat I've been looking forward to for a while, since I did the first randomisation. This fight especially, comes down to the first pairing. Hydra can't topple Black Widow (and I'm pretty sure Spawn Again would struggle to get purchase under the legs), but enough aggression from Hydra would give Hypno-Disc cause to come charging out. Hydra, as we've seen, is soft as cheese when it comes to armour and would be swiftly immobilised. Spawn Again never did well under pressure, but we all know Spawn Again has a good record against them in Series 6 and Extreme 2. Series 5 Hypno-Disc, however, might just keep up. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:18, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Now, had this been a series later, I would have supported the other side, since Hydra was quite the beast in that series. However, although I see it defeating Black Widow, it will likely have no answer to Hypno-Disc, likely being knocked out in a few blows. As for Spawn Again, remember that it only weighs 79kg, so there cannot be that much armour to defend against Hypno-Disc. Similar to Hydra, it will be knocked out quite easily. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:40, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Spawn Again will die ether due to reliability or when all four robots attack. Funnily enough with Black Widow and Hydra out first it'll be Hydra the victor, but let's be honest when Hypno-Disc is out they're both dead.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:19, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Hypno-Disc was teamed up against in Extreme and did a job easily enough, and these two opponents are, on the whole, more frail if anything. Hydra seems like it'd suffer some pretty terminal damage from any hit to the side, and Spawn Again just isn't set up to defend against spinners here - not to mention its flipper blade coming off twice in Series 5 alone, and once just when throwing a robot Out of the Arena. There's potential from two good robots to threaten Hypno-Disc, but it's one which sends better in theory than in reality, I'd guess, especially with how quickly Hypno-Disc self-rights. Nweston8 (talk) 12:38, August 19, 2017 (UTC) I always thought something was off with Spawn Again's flipper in Series 5... Raz3r(talk) 20:22, August 19, 2017 (UTC) I can guarantee Hydra to get a decent lift on Black Widow, but its salvaged aluminium sheeting will not stand up well to Hypno-Disc, I feel. Spawn Again could try and prolong the spider's suffering, but this version's reliability problems will make it especially vulnerable to KO blows from the disc. VulcansHowl 17:21, August 19, 2017 (UTC) In Series 5, the armour of Hydra did not look strong, nor was it as reliable as in future wars. Meanwhile, Spawn Again is lightly armoured as well; those upgrades didn't come in until Series 6. Hydra can beat Black Widow, but can they finish them? I don't think so, and Hypno-Disc will simply tear into them, before turning to Spawn Again and doing the same thing again. Raz3r(talk) 18:27, August 19, 2017 (UTC) I wouldn't even vote for Hydra to beat Hypno-Disc in Series 7, its flipping arm has very little purchase - Hypno-Disc's flywheel would make contact long before Hydra can get underneath. Its weaponry will be irrelevant here, Hydra is essentially a hostile box for Hypno-Disc to ruin, and Spawn Again probably died in the CPZ in the meantime. TOAST 04:40, August 20, 2017 (UTC) Woah ho ho ho, what a line-up! Hydra will make easy work of Black Widow, but as soon as Hypno-Disc comes to the rescue, both opponents are doomed, dooooomed! Hogwild94 (talk) 18:11, August 20, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Hydra & Spawn Again Hypno-Disc doesn't like big knocks, such as those dealt by big flippers. Hydra and Spawn have two attempts to get that big flip on Hypno, maybe even getting them over before shoving them into a wall and out. We know Spawn is capable of doing that, as it did to Evolution, so it can easily happen again.--Jimlaad43(talk) 12:18, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Woah ho ho ho, what a line-up! Hydra will make easy work of Black Widow, but as soon as Hypno-Disc comes to the rescue, both opponents are doomed, dooooomed! Hogwild94 (talk) 18:11, August 20, 2017 (UTC) I assume you meant to put this on the other side of the argument? Raz3r(talk) 20:22, August 19, 2017 (UTC) Indeed, apologies, fixed now. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:11, August 20, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Black Widow & Hypno-Disc (8-1)

Playoff

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Hydra & Spawn Again vs Velocirippa & The Alien

Hydra & Spawn Again	Velocirippa & The Alien
Votes for Hydra & Spawn Again Remember that The Alien also has trouble self-righting, as proven against Prizephita Mach 2. With Spawn Again having a very low ground clearance, I can easily see it getting underneath The Alien, and flipping it over a couple of times. Meanwhile, Hydra should be able to slam into Velocirippa, and with the latter having poor reliability, I really cannot see it surviving these blows for long. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:28, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Spawn can throw both opponents out in a whim.--Jimlaad43(talk) 10:01, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Actually, on rewatch of all of its fights, I've changed my mind far too quickly back to who I was originally going to vote for. The Alien seemed to prefer using its wedge to its hammer in Series 5, and the hammer itself stopped working in a few of its fights, and stopped completely on impact, taking a while to spin up again, so I'd be surprised if it survived a flip from the likes of Spawn Again. None of these four machines are the epitome of reliability, and while I can see The Alien knocking out Hydra, I reckon Spawn Again will knock out Velocirippa with a couple of flips beforehand, before turning towards The Alien and stopping the hammer with one or two big flips. Raz3r(talk) 13:08, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Any vote against Spawn Again is grateful but as someone who has an undying hatred of the machine even still I can see it as well as Hydra winning against the disastrous Velocirippa and the poor Alien. Yesterday i watched the Heat Alien was in and The Alien despite being promising it wasn't all the best weapon wise, pushing power and even its self righter was questionable. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:12, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Two flippers will be too much for both opponents. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:27, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Velocirippa became immobilised largely through being pushed around by The Alien, so even without its later improvements, Hydra will easily repeat what it did to Velocirippa in Extreme 2. Spawn Again and The Alien come out as soon as Velocirippa stops moving, with The Alien ending this battle on its back and with a broken srimech. VulcansHowl 18:14, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Nothing to add really, Velocirippa should get bossed by Hydra and probably immobilised, and when The Alien joins the fray it might do some damage but I can't see the srimech lasting the fight. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:03, August 22, 2017 (UTC) Nweston8 (talk) (By proxy)	Votes for Velocirippa & The Alien The Alien might just take this one. Hydra struggles to self-right sometimes, and Spawn Again weighs only 79kg and is very light. The Alien was capable of knocking a heavier and similarly wide GBH 2 over with only a single hit, so The Alien can knock Spawn Again and Hydra both onto their sides. Velocirippa only needs to be slippery enough to lure Hydra into a spot where a broadside attack can decide it. I imagine Velocirippa v Spawn Again playing out like Mighty Mouse and Kronic the Wedgehog. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:13, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Waiting in the CPZ should give The Alien ample spin-up time, it could quite possibly OHKO the unreliable Spawn Again, while Hydra's boxy shape with thin armour also makes it a target. Velocirippa should survive the flips, so will at least be good for tiring its opponents. I think The Alien's srimech deserves sone faith, at least it worked eventually in thr Prizephita fight, we just have ti hooe The Alien doesn't land in the worst possible spot. TOAST 10:11, August 21, 2017 (UTC) I've been convinced by the spin-up time argument. The Alien was powerful once it reached top speed, and neither Hydra nor Spawn Again have the best armour at this moment in time. Velocirippa isn't the most reliable, but nor is Hydra at this stage, and Velocirippa can score points with some rams, before The Alien comes out to cause enough damage to Hydra to knock them out. With Spawn Again left to face two opponents, I can see Velocirippa being more of a nuisance than anything else, distracting Spawn Again away from The Alien, who can attack the sides and tear through the thin armour. If Spawn Again flips The Alien, it should still be able to self-right as long as it doesn't get seriously unlucky. Raz3r(talk) 12:56, August 21, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Hydra & Spawn Again (8-2)

Heat Final

Hypno-Disc & Black Widow vs Storm Force & Chaos 2

Hypno-Disc & Black Widow	Chaos 2 & Storm Force
Votes for Hypno-Disc & Black Widow Chaos 2 might've been able to clinch this if it was coming out later, but Hypno-Disc in Series 5 can beat Chaos 2 into submission right off the bat with its reliable disc and self-righter. Chaos 2 is just too lightweight. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:13, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Gosh, this is a tricky decision. For starters, neither Black Widow nor Storm Force will survive against the other two for long. What makes me vote for Hypno-Disc here is that despite experiencing poor starts against flippers like Atomic and Bulldog Breed, it was able to turn the tide of the battle with highly damaging hits. At this point, Chaos 2's armour was not up to scratch, especially since it only weighs 84kg. Henceforth, I suspect Hypno-Disc can damage the sides and flipper, eventually locking a wheel and damaging the drivechain. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:33, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Chaos 2 is not as well armoured as Bigger Brother, who won through a combination of luck and opportunism. Storm Force should be easier to deal with than Black Widow, but the power of Hypno's disc is the clincher.--Jimlaad43(talk) 10:03, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Hypno-Disc destroyed much tougher armour than what's on Chaos 2, and is equipped with a reliable srimech. A head-on attack will likely turn out as badly for Chaos 2 as it did when they faced 13 Black in Extreme 2. Black Widow and Storm Force will not last. Raz3r(talk) 12:59, August 21, 2017 (UTC) As soon as the highly improved and extremely deadly Hypno-Disc damages Chaos 2 to the point it can no longer function, it's game over really. Poor Storm Force might as well drive into the pit for its own survival.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 15:14, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Point of order: if Hypno-Disc had been working properly for the S3 final battle and beaten Chaos 2 (as I honestly believe it could've if it was), would the self-righting arm have still been added for subsequent series? Hogwild94 (talk) 17:29, August 21, 2017 (UTC) Probably. Panic Attack added a self-righter after it won Series 2, after all, and it didn't entirely need to. CrashBash (talk) 17:43, August 21, 2017 (UTC) I would vote for Hypno-Disc to beat Chaos 2 in any series other than 3. TOAST 05:24, August 22, 2017 (UTC) Again, nothing to really add, it's effectively Series 3 armour against the most destructive weapon of the Fifth Wars. Black Widow eventually wanders out once Hypno-Disc's had its fill and puts an axe through the corpse. Combatwombat555 (talk) 14:07, August 22, 2017 (UTC) Nweston8 (talk) (By proxy)	Votes for Chaos 2 & Storm Force
Winners: Hypno-Disc & Black Widow (9-1)

Heat G

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Mousetrap 2 & Shredder vs Bulldog Breed 3 & Juggernot 2

Mousetrap 2 & Shredder	Bulldog Breed 3 & Juggernot 2
Votes for Mousetrap 2 & Shredder	Votes for Bulldog Breed 3 & Juggernot 2 Much like Hypno-Disc last heat, Bulldog Breed 3 is going to carry its rubbish teammate all the way through. We saw Mousetrap crumple before Atomic 2, and Atomic 2 and Bulldog Breed 3 are pretty much on par in terms of quality. Juggernot 2 will be Robochicken a few years early. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:41, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Funny how Shredder will be the better survivor of the two, but it can't carry this one. TOAST 11:57, August 23, 2017 (UTC) And after two exciting heats, now we get one that is... not. Bulldog Breed's going to be the dominant force in this one: Mousetrap can't self-right, and whilst Shredder will survive and put up something of a fight it can't beat it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:25, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Bulldog Breed alone can seal the fates of Mousetrap and Shredder.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:35, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Here I was thinking Mousetrap and Shredder, as two OKish robots, were likely to quietly make their way into the Semis. Then they face Bulldog Breed who will easily bear both.--Jimlaad43(talk) 14:17, August 23, 2017 (UTC) As soon as Bulldog Breed 3 flips Mousetrap 2 over, Shredder will be forced to attack it straight away. Its discs are not on par with Hypno-Disc's, so Bulldog Breed 3 will be comfortably carrying Juggernot 2 into the next round by a Judges' decision. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:31, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Bulldog Breed will easily pwn both opponents, but I honestly think Juggernot 2 could get a flip on Shredder as well at some point. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:09, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Mousetrap will be flipped over sooner or later, leaving Shredder to fight alone. If it got lucky, it could push over Juggernot 2, but the Bulldog will dominate it in a one-on-one. Raz3r(talk) 20:51, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Mousetrap will never do well against a decent flipper. Nweston8 (talk) 23:44, August 24, 2017 (UTC) Welp, Juggernot 2 actually wins something. I mean, its by the total full help of another team mate, but still. Bulldog Breed 3 will flip the duo around and win it while Juggernot watches. --Demon Of Tomorrow 10:07, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Bulldog Breed 3 & Juggernot 2 (9-0)

Major Tom & Kliptonite vs Lambsy & Wowot

Major Tom & Kliptonite	Lambsy & Wowot
Votes for Major Tom & Kliptonite I'm disappointed by the lack of faith in Major Tom. The spinner is good, and a good whack will knock Wowot either over, or badly damage the claw anyway. Lambsy isn't flipping anyone, and Kliptonite might not be needed. The bumper car is the best one here.--Jimlaad43(talk) 14:16, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Tricky one, this. The weakest here is Kliptonite, who has a below-average axe and generally poor reliability; it should be pushed around by Lambsy or Wowot, and that may just be enough to kill it. But here is the thing; Major Tom is heading its team first, and in my opinion it should be able to carry Kliptonite over to the next round? Why? Well, Lambsy is a decent grabber but a poor flipper, and likely will suffer some damage as a result of hits from its opponent's disc. Wowot, meanwhile, is an even better grabber, but it is so fragile I would not be at all surprised that it will be knocked out in a few blows from Major Tom's disc too. Overall then, Major Tom should knockout Wowot and defeat Lambsy on a Judges' decision. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:31, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Major Tom's flywheel is underrated; look at the damage it caused to the back end of Kat 3. It should be able to damage both opponents sufficiently to carry Kliptonite through. Hogwild94 (talk) 20:10, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Lambsy had many opportunities to flip over their opponents, yet failed to do so. Its jaws don't look wide enough to trouble Major Tom, who can easily dodge the front and hit the long side. With Lambsy struggling, I see them coming in first, and I simply can't see Wowot getting a good enough grip either, leading to their immobilisation after a couple of attacks with the disc. Kliptonite will come out at this point, but I genuinely think Lambsy is too docile and hesitant in Series 5, and will struggle to get a KO by itself while facing a pair. Major Tom carries its partner onwards for me. Raz3r(talk) 21:08, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Yeah, people talk about Kliptonite's unreliability, but does no one else realise all it took to kill Wowot was a tiny nip both times? Major Tom isn't the greatest, but I bet Kliptonite will get its partner in and proceed to let it deal good damage to Lambsy, winning them the judges decision. Wowot will break down just from friction alone. --Demon Of Tomorrow 10:09, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Sorry Demon, you didn't get your vote in time. The update takes place every two days at this time. I could ask someone else to tiebreak, but people are going to start voting on the Heat Final and it'll mess everything up. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:14, August 25, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Lambsy & Wowot Lambsy and Wowot are a pair of very interesting robots. Wowot is perfect for controlling Major Tom and keeping it at arm's length from its blade doing any damage. That's really the deciding factor for me - this will be a box-bumping-into-each-other fight. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:41, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Kliptonite died too easily for me to consider a Major Tom solo win. TOAST 11:57, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Can't really see Wowot doing much but atleast Lambsy will be able to lift and topple its opponents.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:36, August 23, 2017 (UTC) Not sure Lambsy ever actually managed a televised flip, but they did in qualifiers, so it should be able to overturn Major Tom. Even if Kliptonite doesn't just die, either opponent should boss it. Combatwombat555 (talk) 12:36, August 23, 2017 (UTC) I can certainly understand the split for this tie. I'm backing Wowot-Lambsy, but no because I'm confident in them being effective, but more because Kliptonite's immobilisation is going to cost its team. One against two Major Tom can still do a decent job, and after ineffective drives underneath from Lambsy and nothing of note from Wowot, Major Tom will force a pretty close Judges' decision. However, although the modest damage it'll cause will be the most notable thing that any of the remaining three robots do, it still won't be good enough carry through the carcass of Kliptonite through. Nweston8 (talk) 23:48, August 24, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Lambsy & Wowot (5-4)

Playoff

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Shredder & Mousetrap 2 vs Major Tom & Kliptonite

Shredder & Mousetrap 2	Major Tom & Kliptonite
Votes for Shredder & Mousetrap 2 Major Tom's blade is too high to hit Shredder's so there's no chance of an S3-style clash. Mousetrap is aggressive enough to outlast Kliptonite, who Shredder will probably KO during the fight. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:09, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Had Demon's vote counted, it would not have mattered. Major Tom and Kliptonite still would have lost a Judges' decision 2-1. Anyhow, yes S3 did cause huge damage to Mousetrap 2, but that was only really in the dying seconds, whereby Mousetrap 2 was winning beforehand. Major Tom's disc is good, but not on par with S3's, so Shredder and Mousetrap 2 should be aggressive and agile enough to easily dominate it. Kliptonite to break down via Mousetrap 2's blunt trauma. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:21, August 25, 2017 (UTC) This tournament doesn't have judges. Raz3r(talk) 11:47, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Yes it does, I just never put them on. SM is right, the result would be the same, but the end of the day Demon voted too late to count. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 12:14, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Oops, my bad. Raz3r(talk) 19:24, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Shredder will leave several gashes in the sides of Major Tom, and Kliptonite's reliability is too poor for it to offer any major assistance. Mousetrap's trap will prove essential in controlling and smashing down on Major Tom's top, while Shredder racks up more damage points to seal the Judges' decision. VulcansHowl 12:35, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Major Tom is quite unlucky in this tournament, here it will be outmatched and well Kliptonite is just dead.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:37, August 25, 2017 (UTC) I can believe the idea of Major Tom causing damage to both robots, but I can also believe it receiving damage from both of its opponents. I can see why Jimlaad finds Major Tom to be underrated, but this team really is down to Kliptonite being bad. TOAST 13:51, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Shredder and Mousetrap did both take big damage from S3, but in the case of Mousetrap, they survived, and in the case of Shredder, they lasted a long time. Shredder will be more of an irritant I think, while Mousetrap will cause the real damage and aggression, getting its wedge under Major Tom before unleashing the trap on top of the Major. Kliptonite has an extremely small chance of surviving, but even if they did, they won't do much with the axe. Raz3r(talk) 19:24, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Major Tom's flywheel is similar to S3's, and underrated, but it's not as good as S3's. I'd say Mousetrap will control both opponents easily enough. Hogwild94 (talk) 22:11, August 25, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Major Tom & Kliptonite Both Mousetrap and Shredder have taken massive damage from S3 in the past, and Major Tom has a similar flywheel. This will cause a load of damage and score the Sheppey crew a win.--Jimlaad43(talk) 13:12, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Shredder & Mousetrap 2 (7-1)

Heat Final

Bulldog Breed 3 & Juggernot 2 vs Wowot & Lambsy

Bulldog Breed 3 & Juggernot 2	Wowot & Lambsy
Votes for Bulldog Breed 3 & Juggernot 2 Remember Bigger Brother v Lambsy? Imagine that, but combined with Bulldog Breed romping Pussycat and Diotoir. This might be the most one-sided battle in the tournament so far. Juggernot 2 won't even leave a CPZ. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:09, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Wowot may actually self-right, based on how high that lifter went in its battle with Lambsy. However, its reliability is terrible, so two flips from Bulldog Breed 3 will cause a knockout. Bulldog Breed 3 can defeat Lambsy as in real-life. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 10:21, August 25, 2017 (UTC) I'm imagining similar things to much of Bulldog Breed's Extreme 2 Tag Team campaign here. With Wowot's unreliability, Lambsy's flat sides and Juggernot's... err... passiveness, this will be nothing more than an exhibition match for the Bulldog, even if Lambsy survives to the end as it did in the actual Series 5. VulcansHowl 12:35, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Bulldog Breed savages its way through, pretty much alone. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:39, August 25, 2017 (UTC) So... Jimlaad43(talk) 13:12, August 25, 2017 (UTC) I wouldn't say THE most one-sided match because if Wowot and Lambsy survive for a full match then Bulldog Breed wasn't THAT dominant yet - rewatch BB3's fights with Lambsy and Judge Shred/SoK to see how little it actually does - but I can still see it being just enough to overcome the downside of Juggernot 2, mostly because Wowot and Lambsy can't do much in return. TOAST 13:53, August 25, 2017 (UTC) We have one really good robot, one sort-of-OK-ish robot and two absolutely rubbish robots. Guess who's going to be the most relevant? CrashBash (talk) 19:31, August 25, 2017 (UTC) I agree with Toast, and find the Bulldog from Series 5 a tad overrated. It wasn't as nimble as it was later on, nor did its flipper pack as much of a punch in my mind. Nevertheless, Wowot is probably not going to be self-righting, and and Lambsy can be very easily side stranded, although not before it slides under Juggernot 2's front and tips it over simply by having a wedge and pushing. Raz3r(talk) 19:34, August 25, 2017 (UTC) Easy. Hogwild94 (talk) 22:12, August 25, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Wowot & Lambsy
Winners: Bulldog Breed 3 & Juggernot 2 (9-0)

Heat H

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Tip-Top & Bigger Brother vs Eleven & 3 Stegs to Heaven

Tip-Top & Bigger Brother	Eleven & 3 Stegs to Heaven
Votes for Tip-Top & Bigger Brother Though I have no idea in the name of Psycho's hammer what Bigger Brother is meant to do to Eleven, the fact remains that barring some Stranger Thing, Tip-Top will do the damage required and Bigger Brother can repeat history against 3 Stegs to Heaven. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:44, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Eleven's dead while 3 Stegs will try and survive and may do a good job but Bigger Brother will end those hopes soon.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:48, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Bigger Brother will easily win this. Who knows, Tip Top might get a knockout on Eleven.--Jimlaad43(talk) 10:50, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Under normal circumstances, I would state that Tip-Top will easily lose based upon its unique, but troublesome locomotion. However, because Eleven is a walker, it may in fact be able to get its disc up to full speed to move. Its disc is powerful enough to knockout Eleven in my opinion. 3 Stegs to Heaven should easily dominate Tip-Top, but out comes Bigger Brother, and the rest can be applied with the one word of doom: "happened". SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 11:57, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Finally Tip Top gets a chance to show what it can do against an opponent that it is perfect for tackling. And Bigger Brother will predictably muller 3 Stegs as well. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:11, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Tip Top struggles to move towards Eleven, who is creeping-forward-ever-so-slowly across the arena. Before the two can make contact, Bigger Brother comes out of its corner, flips Eleven until it breaks down, then throws 3 Stegs around the arena for an easy win. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 18:47, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Can anyone spell "One-Sided"? --Demon Of Tomorrow 23:53, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Eleven wins by getting two OotAs. Obviously. Nweston8 (talk) 23:57, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Could this team be headed for the tip top of the tournament? TOAST 04:47, August 28, 2017 (UTC) Eleven is the definition of Tip-Top's perfect Series 5 opponent. Bigger Brother can then deal with 3 Stegs easily. Raz3r(talk) 12:57, August 28, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Eleven & 3 Stegs to Heaven
Winners: Tip-Top & Bigger Brother (10-0)

Terrorhurtz & Ming 3 vs Prizephita Mach 2 & Thermidor 2

Terrorhurtz & Ming 3	Prizephita Mach 2 & Thermidor 2
Votes for Terrorhurtz & Ming 3 This one is a very exciting line up. Had Ming 3 started out, I'd have anticipated a Thermidor/Prizephita win. But Terrorhurtz starting out the aggression puts this time on a winning foot from the get go. Prizephita Mach 2 is good, but its not as good as Kronic or Spawn Again or Bigger Brother, none of whom Terrorhurtz had a problem with. Ming 3 is also a perfectly reliable self-righter as in Nickelodeon. Ming 3 could easily puncture Prizephita Mach 2 if it needed to, whilst Thermidor 2 is the sort of robot who'd break down upon one good hit from Terrorhurtz. Barring maybe the 101/Fluffy team up yet to be seen, I think Ming 3 is our best chance for an actual Tag Team champion to win the tournament. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:44, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Both of these teams were some of my got favourites. I think Thermie/Prizie is a better team for the long run and would go further, but this pairing is more suited to stopping g them. Thermidor was a bit dodgy reliability-wise and Prizephita could be damaged by both weapons. This is a struggle for the better pairing.--Jimlaad43(talk) 10:54, August 27, 2017 (UTC) All I can see is a good, drawn out fight with Terrorhurtz and Prizephita having a good tussle for the majority of the battle. Thermidor 2 around this time was never one to withstand any real pressure, and any decent connection from Terrorhurtz will cause trouble. Ming 3 will be ineffective, sure, but it'll remain active quite comfortably. Nweston8 (talk) 23:56, August 27, 2017 (UTC) People say that Terrorhurtz's axe wasn't quite there in Series 5, I say it's not quite there in Series 9, but look how well it does anyway. Nick can verify how thick Prizephita's armour truly is, I believe Terrorhurtz can hack it, while Thermidor has a chance of just dying. Ming III will survive for the whole match, possibly even gripping Prizephita. What seals it for me is Terrorhurtz's quick self-righting; Prizephita isn't that fast, while Thermidor needs a moment to shut his mouth, so I can see Terrorhurtz responding directly after being flipped. TOAST 04:51, August 28, 2017 (UTC) I'm with Toast. GutripperSpeak 11:44, August 28, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Prizephita Mach 2 & Thermidor 2 To be honest, Terrorhurtz just was not quite the robot it would be in Series 6. It had a higher ground clearance all round (watch how easily Ming 3 gets underneath at the front), and with no wheelie bars to stabilise its attacks, it is easily going to be flipped over by its two opponents. Sure, I will admit that neither Prizephita nor Thermidor 2 are reliable, but providing they can keep getting underneath and flip Terrorhurtz, they should be fine against it. Meanwhile, Ming 3's srimech was OK, but its attack range in my opinion is limited, allowing Thermidor 2 or Prizephita to get underneath at the sides. This overall should nulify both Terrorhurtz's and Ming 3's attacks, enabling Prizephita's and Thermidor 2's flips to help win them a Judges' decision on aggression. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 11:57, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Thz was very underpowered this series, and I can't see Ming piercing Prizephita's shell, it looked pretty thick. I think it'll be Ming and Thz spending most of the time on their backs, granted able to self right but not scoring any points. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 13:05, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Until I rewatched Terrorhurtz vs Ming 3 recently, I was certain that the damage inflicted by the former's axe onto Prizephita, along with Thermidor 2's reliability issues, would be enough for the Team Hurtz/Team Ming pairing to prevail. However, it seemed to me like Terrorhurtz's axe was nowhere near as potent or efficient as it would be in Series 6/Extreme 2; once it runs out of CO2, it will prove particularly vulnerable to a KO flip from either Prizephita or Thermidor. Ming 3 has an excellent self-righter and a crusher which works well as a clamp, but its narrow chassis and exposed wheels will only make it easier for the other pair to flip around. If Terrorhurtz goes down, I can't see Ming 3 doing much to try and maintain its earlier advantage before the battle goes to the Judges. VulcansHowl 17:29, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Terrorhurtz isn't quite there yet, and Ming 3 just never really worked against proper opposition, so the two flippers shall triumph here. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:11, August 27, 2017 (UTC) See VulcansHowl's vote. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 18:47, August 27, 2017 (UTC) Sadly, TerrorHurtz was not nearly as powerful as it would be in Series 6, and it also felt a whole lot less controlling. I think it'll be flipped until it loses power, and Ming 3 will end up flipped over. I don't trust its srimech to work against a tenacious robot such as Prizephita. Thermidor could also potentially assist, doing just as much as its protege, though maybe a little less. --Demon Of Tomorrow 23:58, August 27, 2017 (UTC) This might well be a decisive vote. As much as I'd like to be convinced by the other side's arguments, I firmly believe that Terrorhurtz is neither powerful enough or low enough in Series 5 to trouble Prizephita. Prizephita can flick Terrorhurtz over while Terrorhurtz replies with some ineffective attacks, until the tags. Out comes Ming 3 and the same thing will happen, while Ming 3 will self-right, I can't see many opportunities arising against Prizephita or Thermidor 2 as long as they stay active. Thermidor 2 will flip Ming 3 around as well, and while it isn't the most reliable, I can't see either Ming 3, due to its attack range, or Terrorhurtz, due to the limited CO2/weaker axe, causing enough damage to Thermidor 2's wheels. Raz3r(talk) 13:08, August 28, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Prizephita Mach 2 & Thermidor 2 (7-5)

Playoff

Ming 3 & Terrorhurtz vs Eleven & 3 Stegs to Heaven

Ming 3 & Terrorhurtz	Eleven & 3 Stegs to Heaven
Votes for Ming 3 & Terrorhurtz I had Ming and Terrorhurtz pegged for a strong finish in this tournament, which is a shame, but they'll manage a clear third place here without much trouble. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:57, August 29, 2017 (UTC) I really couldn't decide that second battle. Here Terrorhurtz will destroy Eleven and Ming can pin 3 Stegs.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:05, August 29, 2017 (UTC) Eleven will be crushed and grappled by Ming 3, even if the legs are a bit in the way, before Terrorhurtz finishes them off. 3 Stegs aren't strong enough to fight both opponents at once, although I see them surviving to the end. Raz3r(talk) 11:09, August 29, 2017 (UTC) Odd opponent for Ming 3 to face, but it should have no trouble against it. 3 Stegs to Heaven I would argue would defeat Ming 3 alone, but Terrorhurtz will prove too much for it. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 12:33, August 29, 2017 (UTC) Knowing the mild pressure that 3 Stegs to Heaven loses its wheels under, Terrorhurtz can easily bash one out of its system. TOAST 14:25, August 29, 2017 (UTC) No Doubt.--Jimlaad43(talk) 14:38, August 29, 2017 (UTC) Ming will struggle to damage Eleven because of its size, so Terrorhurtz comes out to batter it with its axe. 3 Stegs comes in, and is swiftly battered into submission by Terrorhurtz. Ming comes out and drags Steg around the arena before pitting it. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 15:33, August 29, 2017 (UTC) Eh, can't see 3 Stegs' disc snagging Terrorhurtz enough to cause damage a la Fluffy. Ming 3 won't be able to do much to Eleven, but its teammate will compensate. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:28, August 29, 2017 (UTC) A bit of a scant consolation for Terrorhurtz-Ming 3, all told. Nweston8 (talk) 23:54, August 29, 2017 (UTC) Well, this one doesn't require a lot of thought. Combatwombat555 (talk) 15:04, August 30, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Eleven & 3 Stegs to Heaven
Winners: Terrorhurtz & Ming 3 (10-0)

Heat Final

Bigger Brother & Tip-Top vs Thermidor 2 & Prizephita Mach 2

Bigger Brother & Tip-Top	Thermidor 2 & Prizephita Mach 2
Votes for Bigger Brother & Tip-Top Bigger Brother alone can deal with the opponents especially against the wonky self righting that Thermidor has. But the bladed Tip-Top can also help cause some damage to Prizephita and the exposed tires.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:09, August 29, 2017 (UTC) bigger Brother should be able to deal with Thermidor, and will comfortably deal with Prizephita. Tip Top isn't worth considering.--Jimlaad43(talk) 13:53, August 29, 2017 (UTC) So the problem with Tip-Top is that it needs its disc spinning in order to move? What do you think it's doing in the CPZ then, unspinning the disc? Tip-Top has ample time to reach top speed, at which point it could easily knock out either of the two flippers, while Bigger Brother can easily hold its own in the meantime. TOAST 14:43, August 29, 2017 (UTC) The problem, however, is that what is there to stop either Thermidor 2 or Prizephita Mach 2 from moving over to the CPZ and causing the process to restart all over again? After all, I struggle seeing Bigger Brother being able to control both opponents, and the rules are never enforced strictly. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:29, August 29, 2017 (UTC) So you're suggesting that Thermidor II, one of the most unreliable robots in the face of spinners, drive directly into a flywheel...? TOAST 16:34, August 29, 2017 (UTC) No, of course not, I am certain that Thermidor 2 is well-controlled enough to simply get underneath and flip at the sides, similar to how Bigger Brother did. Plus, one needs to remember Prizephita Mach 2 can do the job for the lobster, just to be on the safe side of things! SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:47, August 29, 2017 (UTC) Bigger Brother would easily beat both opponents one-on-one, and Tip Top will likely not do anything to change that. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:29, August 29, 2017 (UTC) A very tough one. I'm actually somebody that wouldn't back Bigger Brother against a lot of flippers because of how it consistently rears up in tight spaces, how it can be exposed from multiple angles, and because it can struggle to get clean flips on opponents - and these are awkward opponents to flip, both in shape and size. However, even if I don't rate, Tip Top, this is the exact scenario where I expect a limp Thermidor 2 breakdown. Bigger Brother and Prizephita will have a good fight, but it won't be something that Prizephita can turn around, especially while Tip Top remains active. Nweston8 (talk) 00:18, August 30, 2017 (UTC) BB could take either of them one-on-one, and after disposing of one, it just takes out the other. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 03:56, August 30, 2017 (UTC) This one, however, does. Bigger Brother vs Thermidor would be a great fight, but one in which I think Bigger Brother has the advantage- probably the better driven, more reliable, and with a big ground clearance on the claws to exploit. Prizephita can come in and rescue once the gas starts running out, but once that happens Prizephita is going to be very vulnerable to a slam from behind from Tip-Top; the locomotion is, I'll be kind, innovative, but once it's had a chance to spin up Prizephita with its paper-thin armour is going to be in trouble if it gets distracted. Plus, I'm not sure how well Prizephita is going to be able to self-right with the tiny flipper right at the front. Combatwombat555 (talk) 15:18, August 30, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Thermidor 2 & Prizephita Mach 2 Bigger Brother is definitely the best robot here. But Bigger Brother showed in the fight with Firestorm 4 in Extreme 2 that even it can't self right forever. In a fight with two competent flippers, and paired with an opponent Thermidor 2 can throw out of the arena, Bigger Brother is on the back foot. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:57, August 29, 2017 (UTC) TG has summed up practically everything I wanted to say. BB will start this more strongly, but I don't think it has the power to knock out Thrmidor 2 quickly enough before Prizephita comes to the rescue. Tip-Top will have to come out eventually, and they won't cause much damage to either of the flippers. With Bigger Brother now facing two flippers alone, I can see them running out of gas after one too many flips from either Prizephita or Thermidor 2. Raz3r(talk) 11:15, August 29, 2017 (UTC) For starters, Tip-Top is actually a liability for Bigger Brother due to its locomotion that requires a fully spinning disc to move. It is going to be side-stranded or put onto the flame pit to burn its petrol engine. Meanwhile, watching Bigger Brother's vs Firestorm 4 (with and without S3), I noticed that its sides and rear could be easily exploited. Both Thermidor 2 and Prizephita Mach 2 are good flippers, so they should be able to topple Bigger Brother several times each. Even if Bigger Brother causes Thermidor 2 to break down, it will finally run out of Co2 against the remaining opponent. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 12:33, August 29, 2017 (UTC) By design, Thermidor and Prizephita have the advantage. Ignore Tip-Top for a moment because that's a given, and flip all three other robots over. Bigger Brother needs to use its flipper, whereas Thermidor can run inverted and Prizephita can simply roll back over. Yes, Thermidor will need to use its flipper to right itself eventually, but even so, Bigger Brother is at the disadvantage (also, Prizephita could technically do the SR'ing for Thermidor). CrashBash (talk) 14:37, August 29, 2017 (UTC) I could go either way on this, but I'm voting for the stronger team than the stronger robot. I feel like that is appropriate to be the deciding factor. GutripperSpeak 09:54, August 30, 2017 (UTC) I can forecast an amazing first duel between Bigger Brother and Thermidor 2, with both robots exchanging flips until one - or both - of them run low on CO2. Unfortunately for Bigger Brother, it is not invertible, and a flip from either Thermidor or Prizephita while its supply is depleted could end up KO-ing it. Tip-Top's disc looked potent on paper, but the robot's sluggishness and poor manoeuvrability will prove costly once it is side-stranded, ignited over the Flame Pit/jet, chucked out of the arena, or eliminated via Judges' decision. VulcansHowl 10:15, August 30, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Bigger Brother & Tip-Top (7-6)

Heat I

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Panic Attack & Barber-Ous vs Monad & Tiberius 2

Panic Attack & Barber-Ous	Monad & Tiberius 2
Votes for Panic Attack & Barber-Ous We have seen this even without Monad to contribute nothing. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:14, August 31, 2017 (UTC) GOOD NEWS! The plucky Barber-Ous assists Panic Attack in defeating the unreliable Monad, and overthrowing the Emperor. World domination beckons. Plastic-constructed, and shared world domination. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 11:25, August 31, 2017 (UTC) If Barber-Ous needs to be called out, that is SM, which I suspect it won't :P. Monad will topple over from Panic Attack, but I guess it can assist on Tiberius 2, although I question its damage output in Series 5. Nevertheless, Panic Attack will help out, and pit the crusher. Raz3r(talk) 12:37, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Don't Panic. Monad and Tiberius are going to be pitted. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:17, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Tiberius will be taken out by Panic Attack, as it was in the real Series 5, and either Panic Attack or Barberous will take out Monad. Or Monad will just break down. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 14:55, August 31, 2017 (UTC) This draw is a pity for Tiberius 2 as we never get to use this version of the robot despite it nearly reaching its successor's quality, but it's going to struggle with all of the possible matchups in this heat. It also has bloody Monad on its team. TOAST 16:49, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Tiberius 2 will be wishing that Monad didn't conk out now; as soon as Panic Attack disposes of the latter, it will suffer the same fate it did in the real Series 5. To add insult to injury, Barber-Ous comes out to damage Tiberius' claw and armour before the inevitable happens.... VulcansHowl 16:59, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Pretty routine stuff here... Hogwild94 (talk) 17:28, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Yeah....Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:23, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Some planets orbit their stars at smaller distances than Monad's ground clearance. Panic Attack will have no trouble, and then it's a happened. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:05, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Disappointing to see Tiberius 2 moved aside, but... it's Monad. Nweston8 (talk) 11:57, September 1, 2017 (UTC) Is Monad the single-worst robot to enter Series 5? Honestly, I think it might well be. CrashBash (talk) 14:11, September 1, 2017 (UTC) It depends on whether you think Twister's, Rohog's or Axe-C-Dent's breakdowns were just bad luck, or that they uncompetitve robots overall. To its credit, at least Monad survived for a while, proving that reliability is key to winning, as Monad would have beaten Twister and Rohog now that I think of it. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 14:15, September 1, 2017 (UTC) Personally I'd say Juggernot 2 may or may not be worse than Monad. At least Monad has a bit of speed and isn't as tall. Both of them have terrible armour, terrible ground clearance, terrible balance, terrible weapons and no real srimech, so I guess the choice is yours. Raz3r(talk) 18:40, September 1, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Monad & Tiberius 2
Winners: Panic Attack & Barber-Ous (12-0)

Reactor 2 & Bot Out of Hell vs Tornado & Gravedigger

Reactor 2 & Bot Out Of Hell	Tornado & Gravedigger
Votes for Reactor 2 & Bot Out Of Hell	Votes for Tornado & Gravedigger As a proud Gravedigger fan, I'm pleased to announce my unofficial number one seed for this whole tournament. But that depends on what most others thing of Gravedigger. I know the Gravedigger fan club is pretty small. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:14, August 31, 2017 (UTC) This is going to be a GREAT round for me, as Gravedigger also is likely to progress to the next round. I cannot really see what Reactor 2 can do to either of its opponents, and it will be bashed around by Tornado. Gravedigger, meanwhile, should dominate Bot Out Of Hell, overturning it eventually. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 11:25, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Fellow greetings Gravedigger fan! I'm literally rewriting my Top 15 robots to include it as I read your vote. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:41, August 31, 2017 (UTC) I like Gravedigger myself, although it felt a little outdated by Series 5 for, but that's probably just because it got a terrible round 1 draw. Here, with Tornado's help, there will be no danger, and no hope for their opponents, as while Reactor 2 has a decent flipper, it's too slow, will be outmaneuvered and it has a terrible partner. Raz3r(talk) 12:39, August 31, 2017 (UTC) As long as Tornado doesn't break down for no reason like they did against Diotoir, this shouldn't be a problem. Jimlaad43(talk) 13:18, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Tornado will pit Reactor, then Gravedigger will flip Bot Out of Hell over. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 14:55, August 31, 2017 (UTC) I rate Gravedigger 3 quite verily, the jumps it got out of that axe are comparable to Terrorhurtz. I want to see it gouge a huge hole in Reactor II. TOAST 16:49, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Can't see much resistance from Reactor 2 as Tornado rams and Gravedigger axes it. Bot Out Of Heck will also topple over at some point, I presume. VulcansHowl 16:59, August 31, 2017 (UTC) And here... Hogwild94 (talk) 17:28, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Bot outta Hell will be tipped over easily while Reactor won't like the onslaught from Tornator or the heavy blows from Gravedigger.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:25, August 31, 2017 (UTC) Reactor 2's one of my favourites, but it's up against two robots that it's just not built to counter with very little support from its teammate. It's going to get bullied by Tornado, cleft in twain by Gravedigger, and then BOOH is done for. Combatwombat555 (talk) 22:09, August 31, 2017 (UTC) With no blunt trauma for Gravedigger to have to deal with here, and with little of the way of there being a robot similar Tornado in other teams, it should prove quite a decent force. This team has a good chance. Nweston8 (talk) 11:59, September 1, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Tornado & Gravedigger (11-0)

Playoff

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Bot Out of Hell & Reactor 2 vs Monad & Tiberius 2

Bot Out Of Hell & Reactor 2	Tiberius 2 & Monad
Votes for Bot Out Of Hell & Reactor 2 Tiberius might make mincemeat out of BooH, but Reactor's flipper is the difference, as as soon as they are tagged in, Tiberius will be flipped over, and then we have the comical thought of Monad trying to win a battle, which ain't happening. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:23, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Reactor 2 can definitely flip over both of its opponents. It's highly unlikely Tiberius 2 can damage their wheels, although I can see Tiberius taking out BooH very quickly. Reactor 2's dogged persistency should allow it to get the single flip it needs on Tiberius 2, and then Monad can do nothing in reply. Raz3r(talk) 09:41, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Both Tiberius and Reactor have weak partners. But because Tiberius has no self righter it means it's likely to be eliminated sadly.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:18, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Tiberius 2 is likely to knock out BOOH, but Reactor 2 is a really awkward shape for Tiberius to deal with. I'm fairly convinced that Reactor 2 can get the flip in, and then it faces the nigh-on impossible task of somehow getting underneath Monad. It's tricky, but I think it'll manage it somehow. Combatwombat555 (talk) 15:32, September 3, 2017 (UTC) And while two champions face off in the Heat Final, the current Robot Wars champion goes 0-2 in bracket, which is a pity but Tiberius needs a srimech to win this one. TOAST 16:13, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Benefit of the doubt says Reactor will, just, be able to killer flip Tiberius. Needless to say, the other two are practically surplus to requirements. Hogwild94 (talk) 18:08, September 3, 2017 (UTC) If Reactor 2 can take out both halves of Gemini, it can take out two srimechless robots even without Bot out of Hell. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 21:47, September 3, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Tiberius 2 & Monad To be honest, I was impressed by Reactor 2's design, but not its flipper. Although Tiberius 2 may have no srimech, I still think it can attack Reactor 2's sides quite easily, dodging its opponent's attempts to flip it. Meanwhile, Bot Out Of Hell should be able to knockout Monad, but I believe will fall against Tiberius 2. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:06, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Tiberius 2 is a nimble, nicely driven robot. It should be able to avoid Reactor 2's narrow flipper while causing notable damage. Nweston8 (talk) 00:34, September 4, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Bot Out of Hell & Reactor 2 (7-2)

Heat Final

Panic Attack & Barber-Ous vs Tornado & Gravedigger

Panic Attack & Barber-Ous	Tornado & Gravedigger
Votes for Panic Attack & Barber-Ous Strongly disagree, Panic Attack is the worst type of opponent Tornado could face. Because Panic Attack is very low to the ground all round, and Tornado does not yet have its charity scoop, I can see the yellow machine exploiting its ground clearance with the forks and srimech. I can see a very easy pitting occurring as a result. Meanwhile, I have to be honest, unless Barber-Ous can somehow dodge Gravedigger's first onslaught and deal some damage in the process, it is going to be knocked out by the axe very easily. Despite this, Panic Attack again should be able to carry the team through by blocking Gravedigger's attacks, exploiting its high ground clearance at the sides, and carrying the machine to the pit. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:06, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Also disagree. Tornado struggled against machines that could control its movements and resist being pushed, usually by out-wedging it. Diotoir managed it, Razer managed it, I think Panic Attack can join them; Tornado might start well but as soon the forks can wedge into a wheel-well it's done for. Gravedigger's a decent machine and could get some good axe-blows in, but the srimech should take the blows instead of anything more vital. The way Panic Attack dealt with Axe-Awe makes me think that Gravedigger shouldn't pose too much more of a threat, plus there's Barber-Ous that can come in and deal some damage whilst the two are grappling. Combatwombat555 (talk) 15:54, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Eh, I'd say Panic Attack would probably beat both opponents one on one, though S6 Tornado would be a fight worth watching! Hogwild94 (talk) 18:09, September 3, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Tornado & Gravedigger Tornado is not the kind of All-Star Panic Attack has a hope of dealing with. Gravedigger's wedge could be used against Berber-Ous effectively too. Jimlaad43(talk) 08:24, September 3, 2017 (UTC) There's no where on Tornado for Panic Attack to really hook in with the forks, and Tornado could still push the Series 2 champions, not to mention damage the skirts with the drum. Barber-Ous, in this form, doesn't have a hope against either opponent, and will be either slammed into submission by Tornado, or axed. Gravedigger may not damage Panic Attack on top too much, but they and Tornado should still take the Judges' Decision against Panic Attack. Raz3r(talk) 09:44, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Tornado and Gravedigger are simply the better team with the better combo of weapons, poor Panic Attack won't like the combined force of Tornado's ramming power and destructive drum.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:20, September 3, 2017 (UTC) I can't help but think that any votes for Panic Attack are writing off Gravedigger just so the still-a-big-stretch idea of it beating Tornado in a head-to-head can come true. I wouldn't bank on that in any scenario, as Tornado's drum would easily make a mess of PA's skirts and maybe even the forks too, and that PA will struggle to get a hold on Tornado's wheel hubs when the future champ can just reverse away as it always does on the assault. Critically though, this is a scenario where Panic Attack doesn't just have to carry Tornado, it also has to fend off a hyper-aggressive Gravedigger axe while it tries to carry its big catch. Barber-Ous isn't likely to survive for the whole match, so when you consider that the best robot in this match also has the better teammate, this is sown up. TOAST 16:17, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Panic Attack's forks might potentially be the ideal foil for Tornado's ground clearance, but they are also an easy target for the drum to wreck, as are the skirts. Providing that Tornado can repeatedly dodge the forks before they have a chance to lift - as it did against Anarchy's flipper, don't forget - it should be able to outfox Panic Attack and push it back whenever the forks are raised, buckling the forks in the process. Gravedigger could also inflict a few axe blows on the Series 2 champion to score vital damage and aggression points, while Barber-Ous' damage potential will be undone by its unreliability. VulcansHowl 16:40, September 3, 2017 (UTC) There is a school of thought that Panic attack is the best equipped Series 2-4 Grand Finalist to take on Tornado. In Series 4, it would definitely win. Beyond that, touch and go. The skirts and general power of Panic Attack are its best assets, as is the fact it out maneuvered and out pushed Shunt. But Barberous was able to ruin the forks, so Tornado can. Barberous isn't good enough yet to replicate its famous Kat 3 KO on Gravedigger, nor can it withstand Tornado. I'm sticking with my seeds. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 21:51, September 3, 2017 (UTC) Funnily enough, the thing that has convinced to join this side is only one thing: namely, how narrow Barber-Ous' drum is in Series 5 - especially the side with the stabilisers on. I think, power wise, Barber-Ous is still capable of KO'ing Gravedigger in one hit, but I don't think it'll get into the right position to do so. I'd back Panic Attack to get a grip in one of Tornado's wheel wells ala S.M.I.D.S.Y. after a bit of a tussle before pitting it, but it won't be able to get rid of both Tornado and Gravedigger, and with some good damage caused to Panic Attack's bodywork by Tornado and the potential of Gravedigger's weapon, Panic Attack won't be able to do enough to swing a Judges' decision. Nweston8 (talk) 00:33, September 4, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Tornado & Gravedigger (7-3)

Heat J

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Suicidal Tendencies & Rick vs Gemini & Ruf Ruf Dougal

Suicidal Tendencies & Rick	Gemini & Ruf Ruf Dougal
Votes for Suicidal Tendencies & Rick Rick is on par with Reactor 2, and I'm confident it can get the flips required to eliminate Gemini. Meanwhile Suicidal Tendencies is perfectly shaped to pierce and control Dougal, whose typically remarkable run of success in the Arena isn't going to be replicated here. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:37, September 5, 2017 (UTC) I can't see the thin paddles of Gemini's flippers gaining a decent purchase on its slippery opponents. Suicidal Tendencies' tracks will keep on moving, while Rick has that awkward two-wheel drive wedge shape - watch Dantomkia try in vain to flip TR2 and you'll see what I'm picturing. Suicidal Tendencies can easily puncture Ruf Ruf Dougal, and I think it can bulldoze Gemini with assistance from Rick, giving a very valiant contender from Extreme's Tag Team Terror a deserved win. TOAST 17:37, September 5, 2017 (UTC) Suicidal Tendencies should survive the Gemini flips and retaliate against Dougal, causing a lot of damage after being righted by Rick. I trust Rick to be lower than Gemini round the front, and to flip the twins over, where the wheely-bars will seriously count against it. Dougal might get them back over, but Rick can do the same with Suicidal Tendencies, and Rick will get under Gemini more often. Dougal isn't infallible to flippers, Gemini just had one of the worst shaped flippers to deal with it, and Rick can take advantage. Certainly, I can see this going to a Judges' Decision, with ST and Rick winning on damage. Raz3r(talk) 12:47, September 6, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Gemini & Ruf Ruf Dougal You know what, I am going to support Ruf Ruf Dougal once more. Because Gemini and Suicidal Tendencies are going out first, I can see the clusterbots overturning the crusher straight away. Although Suicidal Tendencies will be still mobile, it will be effectively defenceless from further flips from Gemini, or attacks from Ruf Ruf Dougal's damaging spike. Rick will come out, whereby although I do agree with Toon Ganondorf that it may trap the twins, Ruf Ruf Dougal will be able to right them. This will enable Gemini and the dog to effectively team up on Rick, whereby that spike might be able to pierce the tyres. Although all five robots will still be mobile, in terms of damage and aggression, this team should easily dominate. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:44, September 5, 2017 (UTC) ST won't like being flipped by Gemini and with the help of Ruf Ruf Dougal's spike that can damage the likes of Rick's wheel guards and potentially wheels, I simply can't see ST & rick winning this battle especially if ST is against two flippers at once...Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:26, September 5, 2017 (UTC) Rick's flipper never impressed me, and I don't think it's good enough to knock RRD out. Gemini can team up on ST, which doesn't have a crusher anywhere near as good as Razer, so Gemini don't need to be scared. Gemini can flip ST over and attack Rick. RRD's spike will cause damage, and its speed will allow it to run away when the battle changes against it. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:32, September 5, 2017 (UTC) Tough one, as Gemini's team should easily win this, but those wheely bars could easily do it in. Benefit of the doubt says it won't, and if it does, Suicidal Tendencies and Rick aren't the sort to take advantage. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:27, September 5, 2017 (UTC) This is a tough one. Funnily enough, despite being one of my favourite robots, I think Suicidal Tendencies is the robot that is set up to struggle the most. The easy finger to point to be the weakest would be Ruf Ruf Dougal, but it's is a slippery customer that has good pushing power that can really disrupt the pair. Gemini will always manage to get some flips in - and in this case, attacks which will likely render Suicidal Tendencies' attacking power useless. Really, Rick is the machine which can swing this battle the most. If it manages to lift Ruf Ruf Dougal over ASAP, then I think Suicidal Tendencies-Rick can outdo Gemini, but in the midst of the action, attacking Gemini will be the first concern, and because of that, I think Ruf Ruf Dougal can do the key job I hinted towards to take this battle. Nweston8 (talk) 19:03, September 6, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Gemini & Ruf Ruf Dougal (5-3)

Kan-Opener & Atomic 2 vs The Steel Avenger & The Tartan Terror

Kan-Opener & Atomic 2	The Steel Avenger & The Tartan Terror
Votes for Kan-Opener & Atomic 2 This is the most balanced heat so far (but Heat L is the most balanced in my opinion), with no outright terrible team. That being said, Atomic 2 is pretty much going to be undeniable based on previous record. Steel Avenger might get a solid hit or five on Kan-Opener, but only flipping Kan Opener is going to even the playing field, and both Steely and Tartan Terror are going to spend a lot of the fight flipped around once Atomic tags in. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:37, September 5, 2017 (UTC) The Tartan Terror actually got further than The Steel Avenger in Ragnabot 2. Anyhow, although The Steel Avenger will likely defeat Kan-Opener, as soon as Atomic 2 comes in, I can easily see it dominating. After all, The Steel Avenger's srimech was unreliable, and The Tartan Terror was unreliable full-stop. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 09:44, September 5, 2017 (UTC) A pretty easy victory for Atomic and Kan-Opener who can flip TSA and Crush the hopes of The Tarten Terror. Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:23, September 5, 2017 (UTC) Unfortunately for Steel Avenger, my (former) landlord's robot will be no help to them. Atomic is the best robot in the battle, and this Kan-Opener will be a lot of help as it doesn't need to fear being flipped over. A strong pairing to crush and flip Steely and the barrel. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:36, September 5, 2017 (UTC) Even this early version of Kan-Opener has the capacity to crush through The Steel Avenger's sides with ease, I should think, while Atomic should capitalise on the latter's self-righting issues once it begins its assault. Meanwhile, The Tartan Terror will be thoroughly terrorised. VulcansHowl 10:53, September 5, 2017 (UTC) Atomic would easily beat both opponents one-on-one, and this Kan-Opener should have a decent chance; never really saw what it could do. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:28, September 5, 2017 (UTC) If The Tartan Terror can't move, The Steel Avenger can't win a 2v1. TOAST 17:37, September 5, 2017 (UTC) We so nearly got that Ragnabot 2 match-up again between TTT and RRD. Tartan will really struggle against either opponent, and will be quickly flipped, while The Steel Avenger could axe through Kan-Opener's weak armour, but will suffer damage from the claws in response too. Atomic 2 can easily get under their ground clearance as well, although there won't be an OotA, more likely a pitting. Raz3r(talk) 12:49, September 6, 2017 (UTC) Nothing to say, really. Atomic can go Bulldog-Breed-in-Extreme-2 on this battle. Nweston8 (talk) 19:04, September 6, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for The Steel Avenger & The Tartan Terror
Winners: Kan-Opener & Atomic 2 (9-0)

Playoff

Suicidal Tendencies & Rick vs The Tartan Terror & The Steel Avenger

Suicidal Tendencies & Rick	The Tartan Terror & The Steel Avenger
Votes for Suicidal Tendencies & Rick Disappointing to see so little faith in a pair of robots who have four actual Tag Team wins between them, but either robot on this team could beat Tartan Terror, and Steely can't take them alone. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:51, September 7, 2017 (UTC) No help from TT was always going to be Steely's downfall. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:49, September 7, 2017 (UTC) I would not be at all surprised if a single decent push from Suicidal Tendencies is enough to cause The Tartan Terror to break down. Suicidal Tendencies should then be able to crush the exposed sides of The Steel Avenger, whilst a few flips from Rick will be enough to damage The Steel Avenger's srimech for a second knockout. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:26, September 7, 2017 (UTC) It's a shame really when one good robot is paired with one terrible robot and is against a team of better machines.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:35, September 7, 2017 (UTC) To be honest I'm quite stunned that Suicidal Tendencies lost that first match, the wiki normally LACKS faith in Gemini due to its wheelybars, but here they had to fight a team that I thought would be too much for them regardless of self-righting failure, and they even carried Ruf Ruf Dougal through it! Lack of understanding aside, STRick has an easier match here. TOAST 16:47, September 7, 2017 (UTC) True, but that's the beauty of it being a Tag Team. If Gemini gets stuck, Dougal could have righted it/them. CrashBash (talk) 17:06, September 7, 2017 (UTC) Had Rick come out first, I would have voted it and Suicidal Tendencies through, because Suicidal Tendencies would not be overturned straight away! To be honest, I kind of have the same stunned effect when it comes to how so few people had faith in Panic Attack defeating Tornado and Gravedigger. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 17:11, September 7, 2017 (UTC) Suicidal Tendencies can easily dispatch both opponents on its own. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:27, September 7, 2017 (UTC) You weren't the only one surprised by that result Toast. They'll redeem themselves here though, as Suicidal Tendencies and Rick will easily get under The Steel Avenger, and TTT will die quickly after some pressure from either opponent. Raz3r(talk) 20:24, September 7, 2017 (UTC) The pair that had hoped for a good run can at the least put on an exhibition here. Nweston8 (talk) 12:49, September 9, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for The Tartan Terror & The Steel Avenger
Winners: Suicidal Tendencies & Rick (8-0)

Heat Final

Gemini & Ruf Ruf Dougal vs Kan-Opener & Atomic 2

Gemini & Ruf Ruf Dougal	Kan-Opener & Atomic 2
Votes for Gemini & Ruf Ruf Dougal	Votes for Kan-Opener & Atomic 2 Atomic 2 will clean sweep the whole team, even if Kan Opener does get flipped by Gemini at the start. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:51, September 7, 2017 (UTC) Ruf Ruf will have its link knocked out by Atomic at the very least, while Gemini will not do enough to Kan-Opener to account for what Atomic will do in revenge. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:50, September 7, 2017 (UTC) I am surprised that a couple of people agreed with me on Gemini and Ruf Ruf Dougal winning in the First Round, I thought I was alone in that thinking. Anyhow, I do not trust Kan-Opener's srimech to work after one or two flips, leaving Atomic 2 to fight alone. However, I can confidently see Atomic trapping Gemini, whilst overturning Ruf Ruf Dougal, due to having a flipper that should be able to defeat its opponent's anti-flipper flywheel. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 16:26, September 7, 2017 (UTC) Gemini could get severely crushed by Kan-Opener's jaws who can wrap round and take out the wheels. Atomic meanwhile blasts through and topples the dog.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:37, September 7, 2017 (UTC) I do worry that we might be overrating Atomic 2 and I nearly voted the other way, but eventually decided that Kan-Opener wasn't going to go over without a fight. TOAST 16:48, September 7, 2017 (UTC) Again, Atomic can easily beat both opponents by itself. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:27, September 7, 2017 (UTC) Atomic 2 will get more flips in than Gemini, and Kan-Opener can dig its claws deep into the furry coat of Dougal, and could even cause a surprise by gnawing at Gemini's tyres. Raz3r(talk) 20:25, September 7, 2017 (UTC) Atomic is just by far the most refined machine here. It will deal with Ruf Ruf Dougal whenever it likes, and Gemini won't outstay it in a flipping match - it'll probably get an OotA anyway. Nweston8 (talk) 12:50, September 9, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Kan-Opener & Atomic 2 (8-0)

Heat K

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

X-Terminator & Immortalis vs Axe-C-Dent & Destruct-A-Bubble

X-Terminator & Immortalis	Axe-C-Dent & Destruct-A-Bubble
Votes for X-Terminator & Immortalis X-Terminator could beat all three of these robots if they attacked at the same time whilst X-Terminator started the fight inverted. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 13:17, September 9, 2017 (UTC) Yeah, Axe-C-Dent and Destruct-A-Bubble is amongst the very worst pairs in this competition, whereas Immortalis at least has X-Terminator, who weren't at their best this series but should get the job done. Raz3r(talk) 13:25, September 9, 2017 (UTC) Axe-C-Dent is a legendary robot in that it managed to lose to Destruct-A-Bubble. X-Terminator has an easy win.--Jimlaad43(talk) 15:38, September 9, 2017 (UTC) Immortalis isn't a bad robot. It's hardly close to being the best, mind, but it's somewhat decent, at the very least it's passable. People just seem to think "It's a Team Death robot, therefore it's the worst in the series"...yeah, you pit it against Juggernot 2 or Monad, or Juggernot 2 AND Monad, and I'll tell you who my money is on. I'd even argue it'd beat Axe-C-Dent and Destruct-A-Bubble easily. That being said, it may not even be needed in X-Terminator is starting first. CrashBash (talk) 15:56, September 9, 2017 (UTC) I would go further and suggest that no Team Death robot ended up being the worst in their respective series. Yes, there were worse Series 2 robots than Piece De Resistance. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:54, September 9, 2017 (UTC) DaB isn't bad but it won't win against XT and Immortallis, Axe-C-Dent will probably just die by being touched.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:27, September 9, 2017 (UTC) Fairly routine win for X-Terminator and the best of a bad lot (though, TBF, we never saw enough of Metalis to have a fair opinion of it). Hogwild94 (talk) 17:58, September 9, 2017 (UTC) It's not been said yet, can we imagine the satisfaction of X-Terminator's axe going straight through Destruct-A-Bubble? TOAST 18:22, September 9, 2017 (UTC) YES! Team Death's Immortalis makes it past the first round! X-Terminator should be capable of dominating both of its opponents here. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:53, September 9, 2017 (UTC) Immortalis' spinner killer plow will fend off the destructive Axe-C-Dent, which will be key for this pair to progress... Nweston8 (talk) 01:12, September 10, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Axe-C-Dent & Destruct-A-Bubble
Winners: X-Terminator & Immortalis (9-0)

Crushtacean & Robochicken-Evo vs Corkscrew & 13 Black

Robochicken Evo & Crushtacean	Corkscrew & 13 Black
Votes for Robochicken-Evo & Crushtacean Crushtacean beat a much better Corkscrew with little effort, and I think Robochicken Evo is just capable enough to overturn 13 Black if required. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 13:17, September 9, 2017 (UTC) Were this a series later, the second team would be one of the best. However, both are weaker versions. Crushtacean was mightily impressive, and it took proper All-Star robots to beat it. 13 Black isn't yet an All-Star.--Jimlaad43(talk) 15:41, September 9, 2017 (UTC) 13 Black isn't as powerful as it will be in the future and Corkscrew's weapon stopped working after one hit! The combined fore of RoboChicken's flipper and Crushtacean's claws as well as driving will be the major factor here and will allow the mechanical animals to win.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 16:29, September 9, 2017 (UTC) 13 Black and Corkscrew aren't quite the powerhouses they would later become yet, while these two are more or less on top form. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:59, September 9, 2017 (UTC) Very sound reasons from both sides and I'm still struggling to decide. I'm gonna put it down to the only deciding factor I can think of, in that Corkscrew and 13Black were limping at the end of their fight, while Robochicken-Evo and Crushtacean hung on to a Judges' decision comfortably.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ToastUltimatum (talk • contribs) By golly, Toast voted FOR Robochicken! Anyhow, I too will vote for the chicken and the crab here, since I really did not find this Corkscrew to be that impressive this series, with a low damage output. I can see Robochicken-Evo overturning it eventually. 13 Black may prove more troublesome, however, and I agree with CrashBash that it may prove too much for Crushtacean. However, because I am impressed with Robochicken-Evo's durability, I can see it eventually getting underneath and flipping over 13 Black for the second knockout. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 19:53, September 9, 2017 (UTC) Corkscrew just never got going in Series 5, and even if it does get up to speed and does damage Robochicken's frail armour, I doubt it'll KO Robochicken. This thing stood up to Pussycat - the king of ripping up internals, and yet it still took an age before Robochicken was knocked out. Anyhow, back on point, I doubt Corkscrew will get going, which will give Robochicken the chance to topple it over. 13 Black will then be swarmed by the pair and will ever be slowed in terms of spinning speed or flipped over at some point. Nweston8 (talk) 01:15, September 10, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Corkscrew & 13 Black I understand TG's points, but with Robochicken facing Corkscrew first, I can't see the chicken lasting long before having its armour ripped up. Crushtacean then faces a Corkscrew that obviously isn't as powerful as before, but also has one blade on top instead of two, so Crushtacean will struggle more than it did in Extreme 2 when it comes to grabbing the full body spinner, although I do still see the same thing eventually happening. However, when this is combined with 13 Black's spinners and Crushtacean's susceptibility to spinners, I see the crab being KOed. Raz3r(talk) 13:34, September 9, 2017 (UTC) Crushtacean beat a better Corkscrew, yes, but Crushtacean isn't on first. That'll give Corkscrew some time to probably get stuck together with Robochicken...a fight between them would certainly be curious and interesting, yes, but to be honest, the main end result I see is the two getting stuck together. This results in their teammates coming out, and Crushtacean did not do well against spinners...like 13 Black. May not have reached its peak yet, but there's little Crushtacean can do, and that aerial....CrashBash (talk) 15:59, September 9, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Crushtacean & Robochicken-Evo (7-2)

Play-off

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

13 Black & Corkscrew vs Axe-C-Dent & Destruct-A-Bubble

13 Black & Corkscrew	Axe-C-Dent & Destruct-A-Bubble
Votes for 13 Black & Corkscrew One blow from 13 Black will KO Axe-C-Dent. This fight is a formality. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:59, September 11, 2017 (UTC) Even if the weapons stop working they'll still win.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:45, September 11, 2017 (UTC) e-z. Jimlaad43(talk) 12:56, September 11, 2017 (UTC) 13 Black could win this completely by accident. TOAST 16:53, September 11, 2017 (UTC) The two spinners that work (sort of) will find this easy. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:26, September 11, 2017 (UTC) Going for the surprise here, and vote for the clear underdogs, 13 Black and Corkscrew. They will no doubt find it tricky to beat the other, godlike team, but I am sure they will shock the world with their performance. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:05, September 11, 2017 (UTC) To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the bubble stays relatively intact against these guys, but I can see two KO's within 5 minutes. Datovidny (talk) Datovidny (talk) 20:01, September 11, 2017 (UTC) It's a shame, Axe-C-Dent looked relatively potent, but if you conk out against Destruct-A-Bubble you're unlikely to survive 13 Black. And then the Bubble will be popped. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:36, September 11, 2017 (UTC) This pair's defeat last round ranks among the Top 3 decisions I've most disagreed with since I've voted in the Arena. Here, they get the chance to slightly redeem themselves, and tear apart Axe-C-Dent, and simply outscore Destruct-A-Bubble. Raz3r(talk) 14:40, September 12, 2017 (UTC) Neither of them need to spin to win this. Nweston8 (talk) 16:56, September 12, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Axe-C-Dent & Destruct-A-Bubble
Winners: 13 Black & Corkscrew (10-0)

Heat Final

Robochicken-Evo & Crushtacean vs X-Terminator & Immortalis

Robochicken Evo & Crushtacean	X-Terminator & Immortalis
Votes for Robochicken-Evo & Crushtacean X-Terminator Series 5 may be one of the least inspiring robots, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't have the best offensive chances here. It's also spoiled for choice of attack surface in Robochicken Evo. But that being said, I think Immortalis will let X-Terminator down. Robochicken Evo can take punishment but I don't think it'll break down. Meanwhile, X-Terminator is very similar to Behemoth in shape size and weight, and I really don't know what Crushtacean was meant to grab on Behemoth either, but we saw the results there. This will be closer than I thought when I drew this heat up. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:59, September 11, 2017 (UTC) Sadly for X-Terminator once its partner will die, it won't like the gang up of the mechanical animals.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 12:48, September 11, 2017 (UTC) Crushtacean is the best robot here, and it has the luxury of a competent partner that ran it close in round 1. Immortalis being flipped or pitted will of course count against their team, and I don't see X-Terminator being able to cope with both opponents. Gee, it's nice to be making my vote on a PC instead of my phone xD Jimlaad43(talk) 12:58, September 11, 2017 (UTC) I don't doubt that X-Terminator could beat either of these robots, but we saw two instances where it had to carry two weaker partners through a Tag Team Terror - Inverterbrat and Mini Morg - and it couldn't do so. That doesn't suggest it can carry Immortalis through this one, especially when X-Terminator's batteries burnt out at this stage of Series 5. TOAST 16:55, September 11, 2017 (UTC) I agree with Toast on X-Terminator potentially beating both opponents, especially in one-on-one encounters. However, what concerns me about this version of X-Terminator is that every time it fires it axe, it jumps. When attacking Robochicken-Evo, this could result in it being flipped. Plus, its reliability was not brilliant this series either, so I would argue that the durable Robochicken-Evo and a couple of attacks from Crushtacean will eventually cause a knockout. Also, although Immortalis is slighlty underrated, its reliability was not great either, so although its lack of baseplate will trouble Robochicken-Evo, and its overall design being difficult for Crushtacean to grab, I do not see much it could do before it conks out. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:05, September 11, 2017 (UTC) Also agree with X-Terminator beating both in a 1 on 1 situation, but together? Nope. Robochicken will survive the axe until X-Terminator tags, Immortalis gets immobilised almost immediately by whichever, and then X-Terminator can't take on and defeat both animals at once. Combatwombat555 (talk) 20:57, September 11, 2017 (UTC) X-Terminator will dominate the early stages of the fight, axing Robochicken and forcing them into retreat. Crushtacean will try and come out to fight, but its flat top and high ground clearance makes it a perfect machine for X-Terminator to axe and push. Crushtacean has nothing to grab on either opponent, and even Immortalis could use its front to provide some shove to begin with. With all four machines out though, Immortalis will fall eventually, to a flip or a KO from some ramming/House Robots/whatever, and then X-Terminator will struggle to deal with both Robochicken and Crushtacean at once, and lose the Judges' Decision. Gah, I hate having to vote out the machine that is so clearly the best of the four. Raz3r(talk) 14:52, September 12, 2017 (UTC) A close one, this. My first thought was comfortably this pair, but I think X-Terminator can do a really good job. Crushtacean has a lovely surface area to hit, and will struggle to get hold X-Terminator itself, and it should penetrate the wide shell of Robochicken. However, Robochicken will get in some flips, and Immortalis will not survive this fight, so the brave X-Terminator won't be able to do enough. Nweston8 (talk) 16:59, September 12, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for X-Terminator & Immortalis Lets recall some facts here - X-Terminator was able to boss around Robochicken in Series 6, and for the most part, the Series 5 versions are comparable. I think the only major difference is that I think the S6 X-Terminator was lower to the ground at the front, so I'm not entirely sure it will flip Robochicken over like it did in Series 6, but the point is still there. In regards to Crushtacean, comparing it with Behemoth doesn't work. We saw exactly what happened with Behemoth...it lifted its scoop up, Crushtacean got underneath the raised scoop and the resulting drive and attempted closing of the scoop overturned Behemoth. All something that Crushtacean can't do to X-Terminator, because X-Terminator's scoop is far smaller, static and not even its main weapon. Also can't see how Crushtacean can grab Immortalis. CrashBash (talk) 13:01, September 11, 2017 (UTC) I think I may have identified another trend! Similar to ToastUltimatum never voting for Robochicken in Ragnabot 2, CrashBash has gone further and has not voted Crushtacean during and after Ragnabot 2 I believe. But in all seriousness though, I do have a question: do you find Crushtacean overrated? Curious. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:05, September 11, 2017 (UTC) I wouldn't necessarily say "overrated", I just think its weaknesses are far too prominent. Crushtacean deals best if it has things to grab, which I don't see even on Immortalis. Also, I don't like the logic of "it beat Behemoth, it can beat X-Terminator the same way"...no, it can't, those two robots are nothing alike. That's like saying "it beat Hypno-Disc, it can beat Razer the same way". And Crushtacean ain't no Pussycat. CrashBash (talk) 20:20, September 11, 2017 (UTC) X-Terminator would beat Robochicken. Crushtacean would beat Immortalis. Robobchicken would beat Immortalis. X-Terminator would beat Crushtacean. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:28, September 11, 2017 (UTC) Granted it's an if, but if Immortalis can stay alive, I trust X-Terminator to rack up the most points in the bout, I get the feeling the axe will cause problems, unlike the opposition's weaponry, and the pace and scoop means it could ram and bump the crab about. Datovidny |(talk) 20:59, September 11, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: Robochicken-Evo & Crushtacean (8-3)

Heat L

Round 1

Note: In all cases, the starting robots are listed first, as decided by coin toss.

Derek & Dominator 2 vs Onslaught & Tetanus

Derek & Dominator 2	Onslaught & Tetanus
Votes for Derek & Dominator 2 Derek may lose quickly, but unlike the X-Terminator pair, this team has an exceptional robot in Dominator 2 that can come in and easily defeat and disable both opponents. Flippers and grabbers cannot defeat Dominator 2. Are you seriously suggesting that the pairing of Onslaught and Tetanus is better than Firestorm, Bigger Brother or Wheely Big Cheese? They are not. Onslaught won't do much and Tetanus is the right shape to be absolutely mullered by the axe. I fear that people voting on the other side are seriously underestimating Dominator 2. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:13, September 13, 2017 (UTC) Dominator 2 were in serious danger of being beaten in Round 1 of Series 6 until Sumpthing broke down. They didn't get any clean hits on Sumpthing or Hydra when both of them pressured Dominator 2 at the same time, preferring to axe the already beaten Axe-C-Dent 2 or simply glancing off the other two. It was only able to get some good attacks in once Sumpthing was counted out and Hydra was left on its own. I simply see the same thing happening in this fight too. Raz3r(talk) 10:33, September 13, 2017 (UTC) I'm going to jump in too and get my two cents in before the inevitable "Dominator 2 can carry Derek" and "Dominator 2 is being underrated" arguments. As I said in my vote, the axe is very ill suited to fighting multiple opponents, and Dominator 2 has never had to fight two opponents at once where both opponents were actively attacking Dominator 2. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:35, September 13, 2017 (UTC) But it won't have to fight multiple opponents once Tetanus inevitably breaks down, though, will it? Then it'll just be a straight one-on-one, one where I'd far better fancy Dominator 2. CrashBash (talk) 13:58, September 13, 2017 (UTC) Here's the facts and figures. Derek vs Onslaught is kind of a dead-heat, since I don't see either overturning the other. Derek died under very situational circumstances in Series 5, something I don't see Onslaught pulling off. Nevertheless, I'd just about edge Onslaught between the two, being the quicker and all. That being said, I suspect Dominator 2 will jump out first, and then Onslaught is in trouble. It can't flip Dominator over, and it looks like it could be overturned by Dominator's wedge alone. Cite the effectiveness of the axe all you want, but Dominator had a pretty much unbeaten history against flippers. And as for Tetanus? I love the fact that everybody is saying "LOLZ, DEREK BROKE DOWN IN TEN SECONDS!" whilst simultaneously forgetting that Tetanus broke down in both of its two battles, one of them by driving over the steam vent. What robot does that!? Are we seriously going to ignore the possibility that Dominator will do just that? Either way, the final battle is likely going to be a one-on-one between Dominator and Onslaught, and for me there is only one winner. CrashBash (talk) 13:13, September 13, 2017 (UTC) Dominator 2 can easily win this one on its one. Onslaught will be hindered by its three point turning, while Tetanus isn't quite there, and has plenty of bits that will be vulnerable to axe attacks. Derek may well break down too, but IIRC, Derek broke down due to being attacked by Dominator 2, whereas Tetanus died of its own accord once, and from being steamed to death the other time. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:30, September 13, 2017 (UTC) I'm convinced by Crash's argument. Derek will become immobilised at some point, but not before putting up a decent fight against a faster and more reliable Onslaught. Onslaught, while aggressive and reasonably effective, has a poor track record when it comes to wedges and lifting/flipping weapons, and one mistimed charge at Dominator 2's front could probably see it turned over by the latter's twin wedges a la Corkscrew. I suspect that Dominator 2 will then resort to constantly disrupting Onslaught's self-righting until the latter's srimech breaks, before axing and dragging Tetanus around the arena a few times for vital damage, control and aggression points. If it can take Tetanus over the CO2 jets or outlast the latter, then its game over. VulcansHowl 17:40, September 13, 2017 (UTC) It's going to have to work for it with Derek coming out first, but I still think Dominator 2 will be okay overall. Tetanus is somebody that a clean hit should immobilise - if it doesn't break down itself - and Onslaught probably won't sustain many blows, but as pointed out already, Dominator 2's front can easily knock Onslaught over in a fast driving match. Both Onslaught and Dominator 2 should go to the judges, with the damage on Tetanus giving it the edge. Nweston8 (talk) 23:55, September 13, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Onslaught & Tetanus I'm going for the shock. Dominator 2 and Derek can't foil Onslaught's self-righting the way Tetanus did, and considering that Derek will be eliminated in ten seconds I think Dominator 2 might just find itself struggling against two pretty okay robots. The thing with the axe is that you're doomed against multiple opponents, and Dominator 2 has never been properly tested in a 2-on-1 before. Onslaught is just as capable as Series 6 Hydra.Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:33, September 13, 2017 (UTC) This one is much tougher. Derek is the weakest by far here, Dominator 2 the strongest as an individual. This is giving me the same conundrum as the heat final of Heat K, but I can't see Derek not breaking down under sustained pressure, a bit like Immortalis last heat. Say what you will about Dominator 2's record against flippers, but it still got flipped a lot by them, and couldn't really immobilise many of them all by itself (Shadow of Napalm is the exception, it was Killerhurtz who caused the decisive blow to Chaos 2 in the Northern Annihilator - although credit can be given to it for the live event fight - and Wheely Big Cheese was a fluke); it didn't finish Firestorm 2, Hydra or Bigger Brother, scraping through on three judges' decisions that have people wondering whether or not they should have won any (for the record, I think they deserved all three wins). In a 2v1 against a couple of decent machines, I question how likely it is to get a killer blow. Onslaught should get some flips in, and is so small and nippy that it might actually evade Dominator 2's axe for a while, distracting them long enough for Tetanus to come in and grapple with them via the wheel guards. Can either machine finish off Dominator 2? I doubt it, but by the time Dominator 2 get close to taking out Tetanus with holes in the armour, it'll be too late. Raz3r(talk) 09:52, September 13, 2017 (UTC) If Dominator II came out first then I would probably vote for it, as Crash is right to point out Tetanus' reliability just as much as Derek's, but I do think Onslaught can flip it. It doesn't have a srimech, does it? Onslaught will prove a difficult target to strike, with resilient armour too, and if Dominator keeps missing with its axe, then it won't recover the points of a fallen teammate. TOAST 14:00, September 13, 2017 (UTC) Even if Derek doesn't die then it will be flipped and rammed into a side wall perhaps. Dominator struggles to get accurate hits most of the time regardless of which wars and won't like the combined attack from both ends, being lifted or flipped every so often could result in gas leaks via self righting.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 14:53, September 13, 2017 (UTC) To be honest, I think the only robot that will be too much for Onslaught is Tetanus. Derek looks all too ineffective and vulnerable to most, and I don't fancy Dominator 2 to boss a nippy robot with a bucket scoop and not much to aim at. I'll back Onslaught to topple Derek and for Dominator 2 to fail to rack up the points against the remaining pair. Datovidny (talk) 16:48, September 13, 2017 (UTC) After viewing the pairings for Heat K, I was no doubt looking forward to this heat. I must say, for both this and the other battle, regardless of which teams I pick, I will likely feel I have made the wrong decision. But, after reading the votes of both Toon Ganondorf and Razer, I am going to select this side. Derek may be considered unreliable, but I feel its real issue is that it was not the most accurate of machines, enabling Onslaught to potentially exploit its sides. Once toppled, I struggle to see Derek coming back into this battle. With Dominator 2, it might actually knockout Tetanus by the later stages, but the latter will at least be able to tank some blows with its construction. In the meantime, Onslaught could easily slide underneath Dominator 2, with Tetanus helping out too. This is a battle where Dominator 2 really needs to ensure every axe blow results in a hit, but I struggle to see it doing so, especially when one considers what happened in its Series 6 melee. Henceforth, I would argue that the aggression from both robots will ultimately sway the Judges to support them, despite Dominator 2's comeback. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:43, September 13, 2017 (UTC) Part of me wants to just root for a better team than the single overachiever because it makes for a better tournament, but I also feel strongly convinced by this side. If Derek is out in seconds, even if Tetanus breaks down later on it ends up being Dominator 2's points, Onslaught's points, whatever points Tetanus contributed, and nothing from Derek. Even if Dominator 2 does a lot, I don't think it'll be enough. GutripperSpeak 10:58, September 14, 2017 (UTC)
Winners:

Fluffy & 101 vs Pussycat & The Executioner

Fluffy & 101	Pussycat & The Executioner
Votes for Fluffy & 101 Oh this heat how I have longed for you. I'm giving Fluffy the same reliability it had in its first two rounds, which means it's not breaking down here. Combine that with the outcome we saw in the real Fluffy/Pussycat clash, Pussycat is 101's plaything while Fluffy smashes Executioner to bits. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:33, September 13, 2017 (UTC) Fluffy would have won that fight against Pussycat in 4/5 alternate dimensions. They'll overpower the cat, and 101 can finish off The Executioner with a pitting after they get sent to the slaughterhouse too. Pussycat might well survive to a Judges' Decision even if its blade is ripped off, but there's no question in my mind who would win that decision. Raz3r(talk) 09:38, September 13, 2017 (UTC) This is the team I have been waiting for for a long time. Pussycat was beaten by Fluffy, and the Executioner will not be any help. Jimlaad43(talk) 10:14, September 13, 2017 (UTC) I've said more than my fair share on Fluffy to make it clear what I felt of that fight. Here, it has back up in case the worse comes to the worse. Or, knowing how things work, Fluffy accidentally hits 101, releasing its curse and causing both robots to just stop randomly, putting Pussycat and Executioner through anyway. Nothing would surprise me anymore. CrashBash (talk) 13:17, September 13, 2017 (UTC) It's at this point you realise...at the rate things are going, either Pussycat or Dominator 2, two of the most successful robots in RW's history, are going to be in the loser's semis....we are still doing the losers semis, right? CrashBash (talk) 17:00, September 13, 2017 (UTC) We certainly are - that will come before the real finals. I'll be starting the votes for finals on a new page. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 21:48, September 13, 2017 (UTC) Now why does this have to be a first round fight?! Given that Fluffy's sudden breakdown didn't happen until the heat final, and in the actual first round it stayed alive for the duration, I think we can safely assume it will stay alive through this fight. Thus once being de-bladed, Pussycat will be forced to get its teammate to carry it through, and that will go about as well as could be expected. 101, meanwhile, will play the role of Robochicken nicely, being called in to finish Pussycat off once The Executioner is dead. Hogwild94 (talk) 17:35, September 13, 2017 (UTC) First of all, Fluffy and Pussycat are out first. Now, most of the time in Tag Team Terror, a teammate will surge out in support the second their partner is in visible danger - i.e. they've been flipped or are evidently being pushed back. However, in this case we have two spinners, and because neither Fluffy or Pussycat will gain a clear upper hand through pushing power, that means that there will be no indication as to which machine is on top until something major happens - such as a panel being cut into or Pussycat's blade coming off. Because of this, neither 101 or The Executioner will come out in aid of their teammate until this big, damaging moment comes along. The likelihood is, Pussycat's blade and caster is coming off again, which will hinder it big time. In an attempt to get back into the battle, The Executioner will try to bring its claw into play. Now, funnily enough, as much as I don't rate 101 highly, I think it'll prove the key for a large period of the battle, starting after the big impact between the spinners. The Executioner is a potentially damaging machine, but it isn't driven well and has long sides, so 101's composed, trundling style will allow it to keep The Executioner under its control for large spells. Eventually, a Judges' decision will come along. Now, honestly, I don't really know what to do with Fluffy and if it will remain active for the rest of the fight or break down. No matter what I decide in that regard, it'd be a massive guess. Therefore, despite potential for it to grind to a halt, I'll still give this pair the benefit of the doubt due to causing significant damage and having good control over the fight. It's a battle that can easily swing either way though, no doubt, and I understand votes for either side. Nweston8 (talk) 00:10, September 14, 2017 (UTC) Two of my favourite robots on a team, vs a robot one of them beat and one of the worst driven robots of its era. Sure Executioner could pinch, but until I see some evidence that the two-time losing robot can actually pierce anything, I'm not giving it points over 101. GutripperSpeak 11:00, September 14, 2017 (UTC)	Votes for Pussycat & The Executioner People have considered Fluffy and its amazing weapon. People have considered 101 and its amazing resilience. People have considered the proven history of Pussycat as well as its near-loss against Fluffy. Nobody has given a second thought to The Executioner when I feel it's actually a key player in this fight. I would comfortably vote for The Executioner to beat 101 in a head-to-head, the long wedge would slip straight underneath and then the flat top gives the crusher so much to work with. Undoubtedly Pussycat could beat 101 if its blade survives. Fluffy shouldn't die quite as quickly as it did in its real fight with Pussycat, but that doesn't mean I'm going to assume it will survive, battering a robot as solid as Pussycat does have repercussions. Fluffy's most feeble loss was to Tiberius III, and The Executioner is not dissimilar to that design. I think the strong nature of Fluffy's foes will eventually lead to its immobilisation, and 101 won't be able to make up for it. TOAST 13:57, September 13, 2017 (UTC) To be fair, I do feel Executioner is a relatively decent robot, considering it did hold its own against Pussycat, and I feel it could give 101 some trouble. Just not enough, and certainly not Fluffy. CrashBash (talk) 14:01, September 13, 2017 (UTC) I've been trying to think of the best response to this argument, and what I will say is that I hope Executioner does in fact bite 101, because that means Fluffy gets a solid hit on its side. Executioner would be a fool to tie its evasiveness to being able to drag 101 around. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 22:32, September 13, 2017 (UTC) I'm actually agreeing with Toast here and will add that Fluffy may not enjoy the chaos of the Tag Team, and could conk out due to technical issues halfway or even damage its partner unintentionally. Pussycat is fast, nippy and damaging allowing it to survive. 101 could even fit in the jaws of The Executioner, and if so it won't like a crushing.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 14:49, September 13, 2017 (UTC) I really was torn about this one, even watching the battle back again. It looked like there were half a dozen head-on collisions before Pussycat lost the blade, but I think it's easy to remember that Pussycat just lost the blade and that's that. I wouldn't be surprised if Pussycat gets a few good hits without losing the blade. 101 and The Executioner don't really have KO potential, and I think if they come head to blade Pussycat has it over 101. Fluffy can definitely get the better of The Executioner, but given how half of its Series 5/Extreme battles saw it die fairly early on, I can't trust it to keep going especially against the King of Reliability in Pussycat. Datovidny (talk) 17:13, September 13, 2017 (UTC) Toast has convinced me to vote on this side, but for a different reason. You see, I would argue that the collision between Fluffy and Pussycat caused the former to suffer severe internal damage, which could not be seen on television. I use Fluffy's defeat against Wild Thing as evidence of this, whereby aggressive attacks from the latter's disc surely must have damaged Fluffy internally. Therefore, even if Fluffy somehow survives a collision with Pussycat's disc, I would argue The Executioner would take advantage and grab and slam Fluffy against the arena, causing a knockout eventually. 101 vs The Executioner will be a difficult battle to decide, but with the latter having a low ground clearance, and Pussycat providing a distraction, I can see it winning the encounter by Judges' decision. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 18:43, September 13, 2017 (UTC)
Winners: