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Drum or Full Body spinnerEdit

Its currently listed as both. In my opinion, it should be a drum. Any thoughts? Toon Ganondorf (t c) 04:59, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

I would also say drum as it's not the whole body that spins, but a large drum mounted on a small outer body. Christophee (talk) 17:08, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Yep, it's a drum. A full-body vertical spinner is impossible. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 18:18, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Also saying it's a drum. The construction is all wrong for a full body spinner. CrashBash 21:17, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Badnik96 on the BattleBots wiki said that Gyrax (which was a full body spinner) could be considered the same weapon type as Barber-Ous. Sam (BAZINGA) 17:07, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Judges' DecisionEdit

This article says that Barber-Ous wasn't in a judges' decision. But Barber-Ous 2 was technically involved in a judges' decision, in the Extreme 2 Challenge Belt Round 1. Does this not count then? Datovidny (talk) 12:04, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I think it is worth a judges' decision, if I wait for a consensus I'll forget about it. I'm taking the bit of trivia off the page, and if anybody has a problem with it, and say it isn't a judges' decision, they can change it back. Datovidny (talk) 13:35, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
Terrorhurtz did pit Barber'Ous in the Challenge Belt. Even if this was after cease or imobilisation, it was still a pitting during a loss. ToastUltimatum 12:59, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
That's not the bit of trivia I'm arguing about. The article did say that Barber-Ous didn't have a judges' decision. Yes, it was pitted, but it was still technically involved in a decision by the judges, or else they wouldn't have made a big deal about it. Datovidny (talk) 14:02, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
edit conflicts are painful when editing from phone Spot of confusion, when I went to look at the trivia section, you'd already removed the point. ToastUltimatum 13:07, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Email from SimonEdit

The Qualifiers were a long time ago! There was a robot, I think called Agrobot? They had just fitted a new titanium shell and before the match were convinced it was indestructible - we tried to be gentle with it - but tore a big gash in the side! One of the chaps looked like he was going to burst in to tears! I spent the next year feeling guilty about it!

We entered the series 3 (I think) qualifiers (at Wembley) with a robot called Rotraktor - which used roller shutter blind as tracks. The tracks completely surrounded the body so provided armour where tracks are normally a vulnerability / liability. We were up against 'Sir Chromalot' - and it was a fairly even match with no clear winner. They decided based on the amount of applause - which we were doomed to fail as an unknown!

Afterwards the producer (can't remember his name) explained that while from an engineering point of view it was good - it looked boring! They wanted robots which looked exciting or unique - like the Irish robot that always caught fire. It was for TV after all!

We had a 'meeting' in the pub the day after and tried to come up with more visually interesting designs. The two best were what became Barber-ous, inspired by having my hair cut that afternoon and sitting looking at the rotating barbers pole. The other was 'The Office Party' - a fighting photocopier! We decided to build both. We were contacted by the Discovery Channel who were making a series called 'Robots Revenge' following the build of a number of Robots culminating in a big battle at the end. They filmed both - though they needed to be separate. So I was filmed building Barber-ous and Guy Radford with the Office Party. In the end, Barber-ous was deemed too dangerous to fight, but The Office Party won the event. For RW's we decided Barber-ous had the best chance so entered it alone.

All together, it was one of the best experiences of my life up to that point. I'm still friends with a few of the other teams Inc Andrew & Brian from Tornado - who like us, have a bit of a Land Rover thing! Come to think of it, there were quite a few Land Rover enthusiasts amongst the competitors!

Si

Here's the email Simon sent me. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 23:53, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that TG. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 02:31, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Series 5 QualifiersEdit

Found this on the archived Barber-Ous Website. http://web.archive.org/web/20040322113413/http://www.psi-design.co.uk/ideas/RobotWars/Barber-ous/Diary.asp#March

"We've just competed in the trials at Wembly (Sun 12th Aug). I thought it went quite well, but nobody there was prepared to say anything other than that we would receive a letter in the next week. We were up against Razer (Why? It's seeded - but still did us some damage, but you could see them avoiding the rotating drum. There was a funny robot shaped like a racing car. It looked brilliant, but I think they had drive or radio problems and it didn't really move. There was also Invertabrat (sorry if it's not spelled right). We threw Invertabrat up in the air and it sustained superficial damage. Our drive failed and Shunt nudged us into the pit after trying to axe our drum. The drum was still spinning and only sustained a scratch - a testimony to the resiliance of polyethalene armour! The radio worked a treat (Thanks to Paul Hills) and although we sustained a fair bit of damage, we can rebuild it if need be."
— The Barber-Ous website on the Series 5 qualifiers

Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 21:04, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Invertabrat tried to enter Series 5? Sam (BAZINGA) 21:14, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
Apparently. Also, could the "Funny robot shaped like a racing car" be G.B.H. 2? Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 21:20, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
That is the most probably robot that the "Funny robot shaped like a racing car" is. Sam (BAZINGA) 21:23, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Interview in RW Club Magazine Edit

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In an old issue of the Robot Wars Club Magazine I bought at a Roaming Robots event many years ago, I found this rather interesting interview with Simon Rafferty about Barber-Ous, which contains a lot of information about the construction and design of Barber-Ous. I thought I'd upload it, and I will scan in the whole magazine (and the other two issues that I bought with it back in 2005) at some point. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 14:42, February 11, 2017 (UTC)

Chatted with Simon Rafferty Edit

Yep, Simon Rafferty. You could imagine how excited I was when it came to asking him questions, being the biggest Barber-Ous fan here. Anyhow...

  • I first asked him about the Series 6 qualifier, rumoured to be between Barber-Ous 2, Demolition Man and ICU. Rafferty unfortunately could not remember, but did shed some more facts about Rotraktor's battle with The Steel Avenger:
"I don't remember having to qualify for series 6. Don't remember seeing, let alone fighting Demolition man! I don't think we fought ICU either! We originally entered series 4 with Rotractor. We had to Audition (wembly conference centre) by way of a battle with the steel avenger. There was no clear winner and it went to a 'clapometer' style audience vote. Steel Avenger were well known at the time. Huge audience response compared to about 2 people clapping us! We talked to the producer afterwards who said Rotractor looked boring - and if it looked exciting, it would have got through. Barbarous was dreamed up as something more interesting. As I remember it, we were given a place pretty much on first sight! I'll see Chris next week & ask if he remembers different. Robot Wars honesty changed my life (As well as being enormous fun). It's ended up with me working in movie SFX which is surprisingly similar in many ways!"
— Simon Rafferty
  • The movie SFX fact proved quite interesting to me; so I asked him to elaborate:
"I've worked on half a dozen films so far (IMDB search if interested). Last one was Hobbs & Shaw and I started on Fast & Furious 9 yesterday. I design motion controlled mechanical structures which generally move props or actors around. Some have been very cool (Even if I say so myself). At my original interview (for Star Wars) I expected to be asked about mechanical engineering- but their first question was 'tell us about Robot Wars?' It just got better from there!"
— Simon Rafferty
  • By the way, here is the IMDB page: [1]
  • Now this was quite funny, but still something I wish was true: Rafferty asked me if I was part of the Supernova team, based on my profile. Heh, I wish! But he revealed the reason why he asked me that:
"I can't remember which series it was, but they were just behind us. I remember thinking their robot was pretty clever in some respects. Engineering is all about stealing ideas from other people - so it's all useful! The Canopy opening mechanism on A-Wings was based on an accelerating linkage I saw on an Axe robot once!"
— Simon Rafferty
  • I then asked for a recap on The Office Party:
"That's correct! When we came up with Barber-ous, we also had an idea for a 'fighting photocopier' - and decided to build both! We were called by the discovery channel who wanted to make a series called "Robots Revenge" which followed teams building robots. They wanted Barber-os & Office Party to be separate - so Guy was the 'builder' of Office Party and me, Barber-ous. The office Party competed in (and won) the outdoor event at end of the Robots Revenge Series. They decided Barber-ous was too dangerous to compete! (Sensible move in retrospect)"
— Simon Raffety
  • Perhaps the most interesting information that Rafferty shared were the robots he was planning to build after Series 7:
"I wish Series 8 had happened - we had something very cool under construction which nobody has done before or since! I broke my Lathe testing the weapon!"
— Simon Rafferty
  • Obviously, I was interested in this, being a Barber-Ous fan and what not. So I asked him to elaborate:
"It didn't have a name (yet). Kilahertz was the only electrically powered axe that was any good - but I thought of a way to make something better! Essentially a flywheel sitting on a threaded rod. A motor spins the threaded rod which causes the flywheel to wind itself to one end and then be accelerated. When you want to fire, you stop the motor. The flywheels momentum keeps it spinning so it winds itself to the other end of the rod where it meets a friction plate, attached to an axe. It dumps all the flywheel energy into the axe. You have two of these, one on either side of a single axe so you can fire it in either direction. Our calculated energy in the head of the axe was pushing 40kJ (which is a lot). The Armour was still plastic (so it would flex & deflect blows rather than absorb the energy. We test fired it on my concrete driveway. The head punched straight through 6" of reinforced concrete - and is still buried there! I suspect it would have gone clean through the floor of the arena! I considered re-building it for the new generation of RW's but we don't get time off during filming - and it passed me by! Maybe in another 10 years!"
— Simon Rafferty
  • And he also built another version of Barber-Ous!
"We also had a new version of Barber-ous which had a better concept for the power cutouts (the thing that kept killing us), using pull-out detent pins. It had a few minor innovations - but looked much like the previous one."
— Simon Rafferty
  • He stated that the plan was to enter both machines. Barber-Ous and the other robot would be dismantled before the real Series 8 began.
"The plan was to enter both. We kept the robots intact until about 6 months before the new series was announced. I figured 10 years had gone by with nothing - so put everything in the scrap metal! I think it was fate!"
— Simon Rafferty
  • And finally, he mentioned what the other robot could have been called:
"The new robot would probably have been called IΩ (I Omega)- which is the formula for Angular Momentum - but we hadn't settled on it."
— Simon Rafferty

So there we go! I love asking the roboteers questions like these, simply because they give a fascinating insight into Robot Wars behind-the-scenes. And the fact I got in contact with someone who entered Barber-Ous is awesome, in my opinion. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 20:27, February 5, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for this Space, more great discoveries, do you think you could integrate this into the main article? TOAST 15:06, February 11, 2019 (UTC)
Fascinating - I wonder how that flywheel axe would've compared to something like Beta or Chomp had it not been scrapped? It's such a pity we never got to see that or the revised Barber-Ous in Series 8, but hey-ho... VulcansHowl 15:57, February 11, 2019 (UTC)
I will work on it. May take a while, because I have university coursework to complete. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 15:27, February 14, 2019 (UTC)
Barberous demolitionman s6 qualifers

He doesn't remember seeing Demolition Man?

Well done and thanks for finding all this out. One small thing though, with no offence to Simon Rafferty, but he has clearly misremembered the Series 6 qualifiers. All unseeded robots were required to go through the Series 6 qualifiers, and there is definite evidence that Barber-Ous fought Demolition Man and ICU at the qualifiers. The Killer Carrot 2 website mentions it, as Killer Carrot 2 was intended to be the fourth robot, but got switched to another battle, and there is a photo of Barber-Ous 2 by Demolition Man, shown in Robot Wars: The Official Magazine. Just wanted to make this clear before you edit the page. Drop Zone mk2 (talk) 18:13, February 14, 2019 (UTC)
Regarding that, I showed him that image, and this was his response:
"You're right! I do remember! We had a problem where the controls were reversed - and it was a pig to drive. I had focused on that - and mostly blanked everything else. That's why Chris is looking pissed off - he'd just found out - but there was no time to fix it!"
— Simon Rafferty
Still no confirmation on who competed (and won), but knowing Barber-Ous' luck, Demolition Man probably won the match, oh god. I plan to expand this article this coming weekend. SpaceManiac888 (Talk) 13:59, February 25, 2019 (UTC)
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