Talk: Chaos 2

Merging articles[]

The following discussion is an archived discussion. Please do not modify it.

Merger approved, no objections Toon Ganondorf (t c)

This is going out on a limb, but I'm not sure here.

Have we ever considered merging Chaos with Chaos 2? I don't see how it is different from Thermador/Thermidor 2, Scorpion/Spirit of Scorpion, Robochicken/Robochicken Evo and Twisted Metal/Twisted Metal Evo. Chaos isn't really worthing of its own page, but I'm just saying, have we ever considered merging them together? Or was it just an unspoken agreement to seperate them. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:14, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

I think that they should be kapt apart, in the same way we kept apart Forklift and Forklift's Revenge. The robots are not similar enough, and in this case, Chaos is notable by itself. Helloher (talk) 09:37, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

The fact that they're not similar enough is not really a valid argument as the four Ming robots are completely different from each other but share a single article. I don't really mind either way though. Christophee (talk) 00:50, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

True that, but I'm thinking that we should keep them seperate; the notabilaty of Chaos is enough, and Chaos 2's article is long enough as it is, I think. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 01:31, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

I know we've been merging a few pages lately but this and the Chaos 2 articles are seriously in need to merged, same team, SAME NAME and we don't dedicate successor articles for others (i.e. we don't have a Barber-Ous and a Barber-Ous 2 and a Bit article) Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 19:46, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

I thought about this myself over the course of the Beast debate, and thought "well Chaos and Chaos 2 are separate, there's your argument", but I kinda thought "wait, why are they separate?" and left it. I'd be OK with a merge. Whether we'd use Chaos or Chaos 2 as the article title, I'm not too sure. But if people think Beast and 8645T belong on the same page, but DON'T think Napalm and Shadow of Napalm should be merged, I don't have a clue what everyone else will think. ToastUltimatum 20:40, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think Chaos 2's page should be merged with Chaos, primarily because of Chaos 2's fame and history, and that Chaos 2 was substantially different to Chaos in the same way that Team Scutterbot's robots (Spawn Again, Spawn of Scutter, Scutter's Revenge) differed drastically from each other. I can see the logic behind it, though, since both of Cassius' incarnations are included in its 'Versions of' section, but I consider the changes between Chaos and Chaos 2 too great for them to be merged into the same page.VulcansHowl (talk) 21:30, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

If there was a merger, it would absolutely positively not be called Chaos. Chaos 2 is so recognisable in its own form. The closest precedent is probably Dominator 2, and that implies pro-merger, but I'm not comfortable with that. I would still say keep them seperate because Chaos is so often referred to in its own way, and was seeded and a heat finalist in its own right. However I understand that the arguments more logically flow another way and I will grit my teeth if the majority vote to merge. But I would keep them seperate. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 22:03, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

in fact I've now thought about it and I can't justify all of my arguments about robot name and robot identity and still vote to keep these two seperate. I vote merge, but the article must be called Chaos 2. This and Dominator 2 are so much more recognisable in their second iteration that it overrides the generic name that applies to robots like Scorpion, King Buxton and BarberOus. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 22:08, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

I thought that would be the case, so no objections?Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 10:01, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

If Thermador and Dominator can be included as part of Thermidor 2 and Dominator 2's pages, I don't see why Chaos can't be included in Chaos 2's page, now that I've had more time to think about it and read Toon Ganondorf's views on the potential merger. We'll have to condense a lot of information from both robots' histories, though, just to stop the Chaos 2 page from getting too cluttered if the merger does go ahead. VulcansHowl (talk) 10:19, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

If you'd like to do the merger, yeah go ahead. There will be a bunch of links to fix and some trivia that will need to be reworded, but if you're up to the task. By no means cut anything from Chaos' article, there's no size limit on pages. The stuff written above was from 2009, a very different time for the Wiki. More info the better. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:22, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

How do I merge, do I just copy and paste the information from this page top Chaos 2 and then delete the page or is there a special way of doing it? I may be experienced but I don't know everything.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:14, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

Just copy and paste, then replace all the contents on Chaos with #REDIRECT and then the link to Chaos 2. I'll fix it tomorrow (it's night here) if you are worried about making a mistake. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:18, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

Done it! The redirect is the only concern I have at the moment.Diotoir the son of nemesis (talk) 11:48, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

I fixed the redirect for you. Should this discussion be moved to the Chaos 2 talk page, or is it okay here? Christophee (talk) 14:59, August 29, 2016 (UTC)

I just went ahead and moved it, so it's not hidden on a talk page for an article which no longer exists. Christophee (talk) 15:59, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

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First World Championship[]

It seems harsh to be making jobs on Christmas day. However, I'm just marking a reminder for someone to do a summary of the first World Championship. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 21:28, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Luckily it isn't Christmas Day yet, so I hope what I've done is enough and to good quality. Merry Christmas all! Llamaman201 (talk) 22:08, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

It is Christmas here in Aus! Loving the timezone benefits. Ha ha. Merry Christmas all, have a great day. No workload for the next few days - have a day off! Toon Ganondorf (t c) 23:41, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that's a huge summary just for two battles. Good work. Christophee (talk) 00:03, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Rivalry[]

We've added a rivalry section for Chaos 2, that it had a rivalry with Tornado, is it worth having another section of the rivalry for Team Big Cheese? I bring this up, since their first meeting was such an eventful battle, they were both nominated for the Best Engineered, and in Extreme 1, Roger Plant made a point that they had a grudge against Chaos 2 for Series 3. Datovidny (talk) 15:38, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Could do, may want to briefly mention Chaos 2's victory over Mace 2 avenged the previous match, although this is mentioned in the team pages. Charlie M 17:31, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I think I'll wait for admin-approval before I do add anything, but even so, I think since the Team Mace thing is on Team Chaos, there's no need. Datovidny (talk) 18:30, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I completely oppose the Tornado rivalry. Its not notable. Big Cheese is probably more so, but I'll see what others think. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 07:46, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

I must be missing something....how are three battles between them not notable but one battle is? That doesn't quite work, surely? And even if you're including Big Cheese and Wheely Big Cheese in the same ballpark, that's still only two/ CrashBash (talk) 20:12, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'd agree that of the three we're discussing, the Tornado rivalry is the least notable; it was all compressed into a very short time frame, and there's really nothing to say apart from them happening to have battled several times (take out battle summaries and see how much you're left with in that blurb;) Razer doesn't have one with Behemoth or Scutterbots despite having three run ins with each of them.

Wheely Big Cheese, I could go either way. While it's true that the Big Cheese battle was notable, the other was particularly less so. And I've yet to meet anyone who wouldn't say they have a grudge against the robot who beat them. I'm leaning towards nixing it.

The strongest argument is for a rivalry with Team Mace; it was one of the most impactful reversals of a previous match, apart from Razer vs Tornado. That, and they changed the seed placement in Series 4 to ensure the two would meet at the same stage as last time. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 20:28, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

The problem with Team Mace is that it can't be added to Chaos 2's page, simply because Chaos 2 is only half of the ball-game, if you will. Whilst the two versions of Mace were, essentially, the same machine, Chaos 1 and Chaos 2 are completely different. That's why I put the "Rivalry" with Team Mace on the Team Chaos page, rather than here, if you see where I'm coming from.

I'm still having trouble seeing why we're trying to consider a "rivalry" between Team Big Cheese in the first place. They fought twice, Chaos 2 won both times....and the first battle was nominated as the "Best Battle" of that series, but that's another thing altogether. CrashBash (talk) 21:31, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you that because it is already on the Team Chaos page, that the Team Mace rivalry needn't be on here. However, I did throw Team Big Cheese into the mixer because, as you've said, their first meeting was a notable one, and a rivalry between them was made very clear, as Roger Plant aims on the vengeance side of the All Stars. Besides, they did actually fight three times, in the Flipper Frenzy as well. Datovidny (talk) 07:57, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but an "exciting" battle does not a rivalry make. And if anything, bringing up the Flipper Frenzy hurts your case because they barely touched each other. True rivalries have aggression from both parties, your evidence only supports the rivalry going one way. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 13:52, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with RA2's logic on this one. Personally I wouldn't include any rivalries on this page. The Team Mace one is notable, but it belongs on the Team Chaos page. We could perhaps have a link to it on here, but nothing more. I don't think the other two are notable enough to be worthwhile. Christophee (talk) 16:26, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, RA2, I wasn't trying to make a "case", I was merely suggesting that it may be considered notable in some people's eyes, and that's why I posed originally it as a question. But in any case, if you wish Christophee, I can delete the rivalry stuff about Tornado, and just create a link to the Team Chaos page for the Team Mace one, just if you need someone to just do it. Datovidny (talk) 16:45, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Don't do anything just because I suggested it. There needs to be a consensus, and I'm not sure whether we have one yet. Christophee (talk) 15:15, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

It seems like we have a concensus, we've got 4 people arguing against, and none for. To me, the consensus is that Chaos 2's three matches against Tornado were just a consequence of them both being really good robots, a rivalry would denote an emotional or personal element that we don't see here. RA2; aka Resetti's Replicas. (My Talk) 15:58, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well in that case, I think we can go ahead and remove it. Christophee (talk) 16:11, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Top Speed[]

I know this is such a small matter, but Chaos 2 was billed as being 20mph in Series 3, but from then on, it was said to be only 12mph. However, we have 20mph in the top speed space. Surely if we are doing the statistics at their latest point, then we should put 12mph, or am I missing something? Datovidny (talk) 12:47, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Haven't got the episodes to hand, but if this is the case I'd say update it. snowdog 140 11:48, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ground clearance[]

Chaos 2 is listed in the Series 4 book as having a very low ground clearance. This is despite the fact that the actual ground clearance that you can see is bigger than Tornado's and The Steel Avenger's, both of which have 2cm ground clearance so Chaos 2 has a ground clearance of at least 2-2.5cm. If it has 1mm ground clearance, it must be what CB said it is and the flipper tip. Does anyone not find the fact Chaos 2 is listed of having a low ground clearance when it clearly doesn't as odd? Sam (BAZINGA) 22:05, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

It does seem very odd, yes.--Nononsensecapeesh (talk) 22:08, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Gallery[]

So, in the gallery, the last picture is captioned "Chaos 2 today". Only I'm ninety-eight percent sure that it's one of those pictures from Series 6, judging from the lighting. Am I wrong, or does that need changing? I didn't want to edit it because I have no idea how to work galleries. /M|ddle Eye\ (Talk) 10:32, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

It is a pic of the Series 6 Chaos 2, I'll remove it now. Sam (BAZINGA) 12:59, May 14, 2015 (UTC)